It irks me a bit when people describe this as Billie "finally being her real self" or conversely as her "not being true to herself". Most of us enjoy wearing a bold outfit for a night, even if it's not necessarily our usual style. Not every outfit has to be the physical manifestation of our soul, some of them are just fun and feel good to wear.
lmfao if you wear obscenely revealing clothes that does tell about your character and personality. that's literally what women say is so important about fashion make up your mind lol
@@granolaman4410 Fashion doesn't define women, that's just in movies🤡 Judgemental people define women. Dolly Parton has declared many times she's dressed as "the tramp" and "h*e" of her town, and yet she is the most marvalous person who has helped everyone in her community. Bless your heart, sir.
Yeah I don't listen to her music either, but she's clearly smart, and I'm happy she was aware enough of child sexualisation when she was young. I wish more young stars get better stylists like this.
Her image is an industry formula that’s been used by decades. Nothing new or unique about it. Hollywood/modeling/fashion/music industry has it perfected. Billie is only the latest current incarnation.
It makes me so so so sad that as a minor Billie knew the media would sexualize her, so she wore extremely over-sized clothing. God I wish we could just let teenager girls be who they wanted.
I stopped growing in the sixth grade, I am 175cm or 5'9. I'd get unwanted comments about my looks, even though I was clearly a child, not even a teenager. I wore over sized clothing, and dressed like a boy, and I'd get men tell me how I could make myself more attractive to them, and it did not faze them, when I said I was in elementary school. As a child, to have men, who are a lot larger and older than you, stop you in the middle of a street, just to comment on your looks, leaves a lasting effect. Edit I dressed like a boy my whole childhood, because I felt really uncomfortable with my gender. I knew from a very young age I wasn't straight, but that only ruled out one possibility. I hated being a girl, and felt a bit more like myself dressed like a boy. All through middle school and high school I wore binders. For a while I thought I might be trans, but I didn't really want to be a boy. To have this huge part of myself, that I didn't understand, and then have strangers point out my gender, and comment on my looks, tell me how to dress, what to do with my hair, did not help.
@@-Anjel I’m so sorry this happened to you, truly. It’s disgusting. I hope you never blame yourself because it’s not your fault and those men are all predators.
@@-Anjel Sounds very familiar. I was tiny at that age, looked like child too - a small one. I sometimes dressed like a boy and sometimes more feminine. It didn't matter. My experience was very similar to yours. Grown men still do this - making our growing bodies their business, like how we choose to dress necessarily concerns them and they should get a say. They will corner you to offer their criticism or compliments and expect gratitude, a smile (at least give me a smile! There we go, see? That's better.) They'll do it in groups with no regard for how intimidating they are together. They'll do this any time and any place, but especially if you're alone (Don't be alone, that's not safe! She should have known better. I would never.) The only difference in adulthood is feeling bold enough to openly reject their impositions, regardless of the potential danger in doing so. We are doing better now with teaching our boys, but nowhere near good enough. The work continues and it cannot be up to mothers alone. Fathers, uncles, older brothers and cousins, male coaches and teachers, step it up. Future generations deserve better.
It’s interesting that people call these ‘revealing clothes.’ If you pay attention, she isn’t showing that much skin. These clothes feel guarded and structured to me. Like armor. This shoot contains the contradiction of Billie showing more of herself, while at the same time wearing these protective layers that keep her safe and tight. It feels like her standing in defiance of what is expected, revealing what she wants to reveal, and nothing more.
Lol revealing your couchie is what you consider revealing? Just revealing half tatas is revealing, males stare at mine even though they’re more covered than billies
It’s so strange how misogyny manifests around her. Like she said she wore baggy clothes so no one would have an opinion but they still did anyways?? And now it’s her authenticity and herself as a person because she wore some lingerie. So strange.
Honestly, without negativity towards her, I do kind of understand people's confusion and taking the "loss of authenticity" angle. Like, she spent years making the point of the baggy clothes and her change seems so sudden, easy to perceive it like the "just legal" theme, similar to the situation with Bad Bahbie (Bhabie?). I don't necessarily agree with that, I do think it's probably a business move (a very smart one, at that) and if she wants to get more publicity with her body added to her immense talent, good for her.
I feel bad that she or her team made that choice to be revealing, as a woman I advocate for women to dress however they want but I feel like we need a big artist that also advocate for not giving men or misogyny a chance to have an opinion.
@@Woofwoof369 except that regardless of what she wears men and misogyny has an opinion, and I think that’s kind of the point here. I don’t think it’s women’s’ job to dress to placate misogynists, I don’t even think that’s possible.
It’s somewhat frustrating how everyone is using “revealing” when it’s really just “form fitting”. She hasn’t really revealed much, she just absolutely killed it in pretty full coverage fitted custom catsuits like the goddess she is. I love it. Such a gorgeous moment. She’s taking control and giving us a moment while still holding off on revealing anything, so she still has the opportunity to do it down the line if she so chooses.
@Queen queen bro u don’t even know what u talking about lmao THAT WAS BILLIE’s DECISION, it wasn’t made by her team. Read her interview at least before u open ur mouth
the male gaze part really pissed me off because i don't know many men that would appreciate the garments craftsmanship, the theme of the shoot, the bravery billie showed in doing a shoot like this and the important issues that she touched on in this article. The way i see it she was playing into the female gaze and i am all for it. Female energy is high rn, this is a win for us.
I mean, the fact that this is Vogue and not Playboy should tell you something. The magazine is supposed to cater to "female ambition" in the words of Anna Wintour, and no matter how problematic fashion (and the magazine) can get at times, it sure does a good job of connecting with its intended target audience.
A lot of the people criticizing Billie right now are the same ones who JUMPED to sexualize her as soon as she turned 18 (and before that). They're just upset this wasn't a pic creepily taken against het consent and that's she's doing it herself.
I have a theory that people get mad at all woman social media influences because men use to control and profit from when women were photographed looking attractive- you made a deal with playboy or whatever- but now women are profiting directly from their own image and of course we don't even realize our aversion to these women is just society trying to make sure the male gauze only benefits men...
Luke is that kid in English class who would write a persuasive essay he KNEW his teacher wouldn’t agree with but still get a good grade because his points were made so well
When you’re curvy it feels as if your body is never your own. Some hyper-sexualize you or treat you with disgust. It doesn’t matter how you dress when you have curves, everyone will think something everyone will have something to say, everyone will stare. I just wish people would let her be.
Yep. I looked twenty by the time I was 14. I didn’t mind the fact that they found me attractive. It was the fact that they never believed me when I said I was underage. I’m like “dude, I’m trying to keep you from committing a crime”. At least it was a small town with only six police officers all of whom knew me personally. And most of these guys were students at the same college my father worked for. I knew the law would protect me. Not every girl has that.
She is older than when she was 14. 5 years might not be big in a life, but 5 years in the teenage years is really big. She changed, she got happier, she learned and now she decided to wear form fitting clothes. She was and still is beautiful and bodies don’t matter.
And they talking about how she lost her originality, like bro she started as a teenager you don't expect her to go through phases and change and evolve and find out who she truly is. Many teenager years are full with being depressed and felling the whole world on your shoulders and she now truly found her happiness and it may not last but at least its here and people are saying she has lost what made Billie Eilish, Billie Eilish.
@@tantania6113 She hasn’t even really lived yet to be honest. If she stays on a healthy path, she has 60 ish years of her life *at best* so it makes no sense to judge her for this. Teenagers grow up and they continue to find themselves along the way. Just cos she’s an artist doesn’t mean she’s excluded.
Exactly. I dislike how society has started to infantilize 19 to 22 year olds, as evidenced by some college trends. At age 18, Billie could join the military if she wanted, so she can sure as hell wear pin-up clothing, too.
@@kimberlyoldschool im just curious but what do you mean with infantilizing 19-22 year olds? i think i sort of know what you mean but not really at the same time
@Lèmon Lēe It's the whole point of the video and you're free not to participate if you do not wish to. But then again you left a comment so you already have.
@@shelby6 thats it...tbh the change of style to a more 'sexualising' one literally as soon as she comes of age is kind of a weird creative decision? like it seems like a gift to predatory creeps who were just waiting for her to show skin (like how they were waiting for her to be 'legal')? im not bashing her at all but i was confused knowing how she struggled because of this when underage, like she was pressured into this style change. maybe i just feel this too much because of some bad experiences i had as a teen and younger, so i really related to her dressing comfortably (her previous style), but this gave me so much of a bad vibe :/
Carol, this is the most insightful comment on this list! Five-star comment! For me, Billie can do pretty much what she wants to and I trust it will make my own perspectives wider, deeper, and broader. She is an artist! At nearly 70 years old, that is why I respect her, and she inspires me. Her music? That is simply the opportunity to experience the magic.
@ I don't know what OP intended, but for me it's the fact that she didn't let that keep her from finding something she felt confident in, and doing the shoot anyway. Too often, when you're not happy about your body, you get into this mindset of not even trying to look good, as if it was an all or nothing thing. The other end of the spectrum is "settling" and sacrificing your personal aesthetic preference in order to be positive about what you have. It takes a certain kind of confidence to admit that you're not living up to your own standards, and working with what you have but from an angle of reaching for your ideal. Sure, she could have shown more and turned it into a body positivity moment, but that would have been hypocritical of her if she truly didn't like what she looked like in the end. She's allowed not to like a part of her body. But she didn't let it stop her and think that meant she wasn't beautiful or not model material. Instead, she got dressed in something that played to both her comfort level and her idea of beauty and got out there. Or I might be completely misreading her because I didn't read the interview, and maybe she explained it better there. But for me, personally, it was empowering to hear that she didn't have to completely overcome her insecurities before doing what she wanted to do. I would have gone into avoidance mode and not done the photoshoot until I a) lost some weight, or b) learned to like my fat. In either of those cases, my insecurities wouldn't have been a problem, because I wouldn't have had any. It's that she found a middleground and did the photoshoot while feeling insecure that turns this into "run towards the monster" moment.
Also, people seem to forget that when she got famous, she was a literal CHILD... I know she seems mature and whatever, but what were people expecting from such a young girl! Now that she’s older, as many women do, she gets to explore her style and clothing, under her own terms and responding to what makes her feel like herself
You took the words from my mouth and simplified them. She was a child, and she didn't need unwelcome/unwanted attention to her body. A lot of young girls who develop at a young age do the same thing. And it's hella creepy to be so famous and in the spotlight and have grown men (and women) eyeing her body and commenting. She's now an adult, and probably feels better equipped mentally to deal with the kind of attention she may be subject to, and in fact, probably appreciates her voluptuousness to a level where she's now comfortable with showing it off. Good.For.Her.
And they talking about how she lost her originality, like bro she started as a teenager you don't expect her to go through phases and change and evolve and find out who she truly is. Many teenager years are full with being depressed and felling the whole world on your shoulders and she now truly found her happiness and it may not last but at least its here and people are saying she has lost what made Billie Eilish, Billie Eilish.
@@AngelaPrue this is so true! I’m actually the same as billie in terms of body and age, and it’s has been recently that I have felt more courageous to explore more styles and not only oversized clothes, but people think she is more herself when it’s not, what she showed before is also herself and now it just she wants to show more and she can do what she wants.
That's highly depends on culture where you are from. I was expected in her age to plan my entire life ahead down to job and place of work after getting degree. While preparing to state exams. Do children have such responsibility?
im about to watch the video, so i dont know if luke talks about this but it really doesnt strike me as feminine gaze for some reason? it looks like 50's submissive wifey aesthetic? if you dont mind could you explain why you think its feminine gaze? ^^"
@@briciolaa I get what you're saying, but I think the reason the OP believes (and I believe) that this is more female gaze than male gaze is due to the fact that Billie feels sexy without feeling sexualized. I think the 50's wifey vibes you're getting is due to the nature of her clothing and hairstyle which are very modern pin-up and the pin-up iconography in the US started in the late forties/fifties I believe. The main difference between a woman being sexy in the female gaze vs being sexy in the male gaze is that, in the latter, her sexiness is made for the viewers gaze. Billie's standing shots are all straight on and there's no emphasis on a single part of her body, and on the majority of the shots, her face is what draws the most attention rather than her body (it's usually the starting and ending point for me when I'm looking at the images). Often times, when you see a sexy woman through the male gaze, its focusing on one or two specific parts of the body and angling the camera and subject to exaggerate those parts. Legs are a really easy example of this. The photographer could have easily isolated billie's body from her, but they're innately intertwined and she dominates the photo more than her body does. This photo shoot doesn't feel like it's for anyone other than Billie. She's 1000% sexy, but she isn't sexualized, and for me that's the key factor in the difference between male and female gaze. Ashnikko's music video Daisy is the same in this way if you want to see more examples of the female gaze with sexy women :) Edit: wow, thanks for the likes yall! Never had this many likes on a reply before haha
I am someone with a curvy body and have always had one. Growing up, it always felt as though my body was either something to be ridiculed or hypersexualized. It made me feel as though my frame was something for everyone else enjoyment but my own. From my love of retro fetish and pin-up styles that I saw on Bettie Page to my love and admiration of Dita Von Teese, lingerie became a haven for me to explore and love my body. So, if anything, I think Billie needs to be supported because it is not easy to be a young woman with that lovely figure of hers. And I see this shoot as her taking her power back and learning how to embrace herself.
I can relate to this. Up until around the time I started college, I always felt like I needed to hide my figure for fear of other's opinions and never really had the chance to form my own opinions of my body. I'm glad Billie was able to have creative control over this photoshoot and emphasize the concept of choice when it came to fashion and self expression.
YESSS exactly these two comments^^^ I’ve got a curvy figure and a baby face so I’ve had a lot of creepy comments said to me and my style has definitely given me the power to take back being sexualized from other people, but especially men.
I relate to this so hard and it kinda makes me sad, growing up around a catholic household, even long dresses were considered too provocative just because of my behind. Picnic dresses were considered infantile and somehow provocative again. Jeans were an even bigger issue, heaven forbid that i wore heels with them. Even jeans fron the mens section (real situation) were too tight to be worn with heels , baggage and all. It made me angry that people were trying to force me to feel ashamed of my body, but then turn around and be like "why are you depressed, there's no reason" when they founded one of the reasons. Even now as an adult, my figure or clothing choices cause issues. Of course men stare, im not surprised. But it's the women hate that breaks my heart while enraging me at the same time. Im not even that curvy in comparison to some girls, but just because of my figure , many things i wear get sexualized or ridiculed.
Honestly I now struggle to show my shoulders and arms from pressure I got at school 😅 I am also way more paranoid about whether what I'm wearing is appropriate for work because I have a big chest.
She looked beautiful and I found her photos so empowering. She can hide or show whatever she wants, it's her body. And seeing her take her power and dress the way she wants regardless of what people say is so inspiring.
Thank you for crediting the black creatives that set this trend in motion. Luke always sites his sources and is very referential in the most journalistic way.
Im glad Billie got to reveal her body on her own terms. Personally I think the media is disgusting and they love to sexualize children. They were dying to get a normal pic of billies body. She was wearing shorts and a strapped shirt and they went crazy over that pic! Overall, we need to normalize not worrying about others bodies in general.
Yeah, I agree with you on that sexualisation of children part. It's big in the entire entertainment industry, Hollywood included. I've got a criminology degree and it shocks me! I'm glad Billie had a good instinct about it from an early age & was able to manage it on her own terms.
let's also talk about how a significant portion of the comments sexualizing her are probably due to her body type, I mean if she had a smaller cup size do you think there would be as many comments talking about how revealing it is when she's actually pretty covered up?
Exactly! Thank you. Same thing I was thinking. Throughout the photos what can you see? Her arms and legs? How scandalous! She has a bigger cup size so of course some of it will be seen. It sucks to be sexualized because of your breast size 😔 I just hope she isn't reading comments regarding the photo shoot.
True but also the context behind the shoot (pin-up, lingerie, latex, trench coat) are traditionally sexualize fabrics and silhouettes. They are purposely playing up the sexuality for controversy. It’s not an accident that people are making these comments, people aren’t reaching arbitrarily because she is covered up...they wanted this response.
I hate how we've been conditioned to view outfits differently based on the body that's wearing them for me it's different I'm pretty tall and dresses/skirts always look shorter than intended on me and I remember once I saw a girl wearing the same dress as me but it looked twice as long on her and I had this thought like "wow it looks so proper on her it's way too short on me I look slutty next to her" when it was the same piece of cloth?? you just could see more of my legs?? I'm glad I grew up and realised how stupid this mindset is ://
@@alyssagangi5341 Did they? Can you imagine how tiring it is to constantly be judged by other ppl, and made to feel like your body is not ur own? I agree that the shoot played up the concept of pin-up, lingerie, etc... but the context of it in current times is totally different from the past. Ppl like Dita Von Teese for example, is respected and revered because of her perfected, sensual aesthetics. It’s her choice to embrace her sensuality and her body, and I don’t think it’s any different in Billie’s case either. Maybe she will decide to change her style in the future, wear baggy clothes again, or maybe she will keep on with the amazing style she’s showing us now. The audience doesn’t get to take apart or criticize her for a personal style choice. Let’s reserve our scrutiny for actual problematic behaviors instead.
Honestly, I'm just happy for her. She decided when to show her body. In this digital age, girls are so often forced to be sexual objects before they even know the concept of consent. So for Billie to be able to pick her moment is powerful. Plus, the garments aren't that sexual They look quite classy. I've worn more revealing things in bdsm parties.
I think it started with the hair. You could tell in the first shots of her after the blonde hair makeover that she was feeling like a bombshell. She's rocking it!
Dude imagine being so “important” that all the top designers JUMP at the chance to collaborate with you. Also , YOU go to British Vogue. You don’t wait for anyone to come to you. Crazy how big all of this is. And how small I feel. Good or bad. It’s how it is. Much love Luke! Love your vids!
At first, looking at billies clothing in this shoot, i was uncomfortable, but when you said “if you sexualize billie… its not her problem, its yours” it made me almost cry… i have had misogyny and the male gaze drilled into my brain for so long, that while i was trying to fight against it i really wasnt fighting at all. I was hiding. It is my problem if im uncomfortable and its also the problem of people who choose to sexualize me. My solution is to be the image i want without caring what others think.
You should realize it's not about sexualizing or not. It's about Billie not being herself anymore. It's about doing something no expected her to do. She wanted to make songs, and wanted to make sure she gets the views because her song, not because her body. I'm worried she was being forced to change her style or shamed for her baggie style. You know these things are very possible to happen in the world.
@@RealSaudiExplorer i feel like deviating from your stars' iconic style is an odd choice for a marketing team. It would make more sense to keep with her iconic baggy clothes, the same way Ariana keeps her ponytail. Id be worried if it were earlier in her career, but she's established and older now. As Luke says, it feels pretty authentic for ~20 year old to experiment with their body.
Ultimately she is free to dress however she wants and show as much or as little of her body as she wants to. The fact that she is so young and adults are s*xualizing her and her body right after she turns "legal" just makes me uncomfortable.. But that is on those people and the media
I thought the same thing too. I think that it’s gross that when she was still a minor she was criticised for wearing baggy clothing and then is shamed for wearing form fitting clothing
The first thing I thought of is... maybe the cover is a way for Billie to explore her own body confidence & positivity after the paparazzi body shamed her last year? Like how wearing baggy clothes is a way she controls her image, wearing shapewear can be too.
@@iheartdelrey exploration is trying new things. she’s used to baggy clothes, naturally she’s comfortable. but it requires less bravery and less confidence to do same things. to me, this was a fascinating try
The only thing that bugs me, is the bangs, but that’s a personal preference. I am so jealous of the outfit! So soft, the colours, the contours, the seams shaping her body. It’s revealing without being sexual. It’s sexy, but not hyper sexual. Class, pure class.
yesss! whenever i looked at the photos, there was something i couldn’t quite put a finger on (idk if that’s the term? lol). but yeah, i think it’s the bangs. if it wasn’t there i think it would tie the look together, considering its theme as well. but she still looks beautiful nonetheless. i just wished they styled her hair or bangs a bit differently.
When i saw her in those outfits my first reaction was amazement. My second reaction was: I hope creeps give her a damn break. I thought she looked stunning but I hate how my second thought is that people still continue to be creepy towards her.
Exactly , especially with the corset and trench set. My first thought was "wow that's insane" cuz she looks amazing. BUT SHE CLEARLY LOOKS AMAZING which means someone. Somewhere, will find a way to make the same or even worse nasty comments as before . I fear for it. I love seeing ppl live their best life, but i genuinely fear because of the bad ppl in the world
Truth is creeps are creeps whether a person is wearing baggy clothes that cover the body or lingerie that shows skin. Creeps gonna creep no matter what.
@@dawnaire4414 exactly right. I was thinking theyre going to use excuses like she's wearing etc. etc.* to justify what theyre saying etc cause these clothes can be seen in such a way
dude billie's always been so adamant about not wanting to be only one thing or have only one image, so it makes me really happy to see her challenging the notion that all she wears/will wear/feels comfortable wearing are her signature big, baggy clothes. she looks amazing in either style, and i'm excited to see what else she does to experiment with her clothes
It's so common for celebrities to do a sexy photo shoot once they leave their teen years. Billie actually said she prefers baggy clothes so that people wouldn't judge or talk about her body. I'm glad she felt comfortable enough to do this and she's representing girls who aren't skinny. I'm a fan of the retro vibe. It's a bit Lana Del Rey with Billie's own twist.
Nothing is about skinny girls anymore. I was never big but my whole life I wanted people to look at me and be like “she’s doing tiny”... now Im tiny at 99 pounds and HATE my body. Everyone’s made it seem like you’re less of a woman is you’re petite and without curves. Everyone’s acting like being FAT... not curvy but FAT is desiresble. . I wish we could just stop rateing and judging others on their body’s at all, when skinny was in larger people were insecure now that being bigger is in the smaller people are insecure. We need to honor everyone’s body type and not swing and favor one end of the spectrum over the other
@@cosmiccoco6889 There's skinny girls everywhere in the media. Not sure where you've been looking. Though the focus is more on being fit now, rather than weak and skinny. You can be "tiny" and fit, don't you worry. :)
@@cosmiccoco6889 The people who think fat is desirable, healthy, and ideal, are the people who believe in, quote on quote, "fatphobia". I'm not saying they can't be pretty, it's mostly the healthy part and thinking it is a good thing that is wrong.
Marvel comics has recently done this “hellfire gala” thing where the X-men characters are wearing met gala esque outfits. It would be so cool to see you review the looks because a lot of them have been pretty yikes from what I’ve heard from the fandom
She made me feel so much better about my tummy. I've been struggling for years with my weight, even fell into a period where I had an eating disorder and had to go to the hospital. I'm so thankful for Billie.
I think Billie has such a unique face. She has such strong features. I think she could wear anything and still stand out. She looks stunning and powerful in these images.
Honestly as a woman, or gentleman, if you are wearing lingerie to please somebody else instead of yourself you need to rethink about your priorities. Billie did this for herself and I think that’s what people tend to forget. I personally can’t wait to see what fashion style she pulls off next. It’s refreshing
I think when you said her being a 19 year old speaking about imperfections gives you hope that's just absolutely it, and I think that's why it's caused such a stir, alot of people are so ready to see this progression but there are clearly some people who aren't (for not so great reasons)
Thank you for educating us, unfortunately confronting sexism isn't always prevalent in the fashion industry and gay culture and is easily misinterpreted as rejection/solicitation towards men. Articulating it on your platform is helping to normalize opposing the patriarchy in these social circles, so thank you for your work
honestly, i wonder if it’s also a way of her kind of “owning” her body and taking back control after the internet spread the paparazzi shots everywhere of her in a tank top? it was so beyond disgusting how, after she was quoted saying she didn’t want people to see her like that, people ate up these pictures that were taken without her consent. It feels like, her body and its image was something she tried to keep for herself for so long, but it was taken from her by force - maybe part of this shoot is her going “well, they’ve seen me without my permission, but now they are going to see me *on my terms*” I won’t claim to ever know her complete motivations for anything, but all I know is she is brave as hell. she’s cool and original and smart and has more guts than i could ever hope to have. sending her massive appreciation and good vibes 🧡👑👏👏👏
I think these images are really beautiful. It just feels like your witnessing a young woman in the process of putting her dress on to go face the world or watching your mother put her favorite earrings on to feel beautiful vibes. I think this editorial is really gorgeous and daring 💖💝
I absolutely love love love what you said about how fabrics are associated with kinks and how wearing a simple trench coat is being seen as something else. It's people's problem not the wearer's. It's just a piece of clothing. Women or men or whoever should be free to wear whatever tf they want 🙌🏻
She’s an artist, she needs to constantly express herself, grow and evolve. If this is the direction she wants to grow and evolve so be it! She looks great and it comforts me to know she approached vogue and this was HER idea. In her teens she didn’t want to show skin she wasn’t comfortable with it she’s growing older and she wants change let her have it.
misogyny coming after a teenager is nothing new. I am just happy Billie is confident in her body and kudos to her! Like I was 19 in 2013-14, so Billie is definitely doing better style-wise as a 19-year-old. She has the absolute right to wear whatever she wants!!
Not to forget the fact that Billie was a minor not long ago and people would have sexualized, and still did no matter the clothes imagine now. we must never forget she's her own person and no one has the right to judge anyone´s body, especially Billie who showed herself insecure about it several times, so just be happy or keep your opinion if it's not going to bring something good.
You mix humor, fashion knowledge, personality, and honesty makes this one of my favorite channels. I have enjoyed watching you find yourself in this channel. You are the bitchy honest friend everyone needs in there life
A thing that I loved about this photoshoot is how in control it felt. The camera and the shots never felt like they were leering at her, but rather highlighting how she wanted to be seen. It felt very in control and despite the "sexy" clothing, I didn't immediately get the vibe that this was trying to tell us to look at her sexually. She's just existing, and feeling good in herself while doing so. We get to see her exploring herself and how she wants to be seen. It honestly felt empowering knowing that she is the one owning her body, rather than just the industry.
i don't follow billie eilish religiously but i do love her music and thought some of her outfits were really cool. when i saw this shoot, i was a bit shocked at how different she looked but she still looks beautiful. i personally don't prefer this new aesthetic, it doesn't seem to suit her and her music but im excited to see new outfits
I love your comment on this and puting it into prespective with the fashion designers or inspiration behind those corsets. I think it is totally alright for her to experiment, not to mention that they really think about her personality or style while making those garments. I really love her fashion story and it definetly suit her. The baggy outfits are also nice and she knows how to wear them, not to mention that to me, it seems super comfy :) Anyway I am glad that she found the confidence to do this, and I must say I am happy for her :) I hope to see and hear more of her opinions!
but so you all know im 25+ and use oversize clothes mostly cause my body dysmorphia but i still enjoy it so there is nothign wrong with using oversize clothe and this girl made it cool
Your explanation of shaming women for their sexuality was on point. For this alone I wish more ppl would watch this video. However the entire video was definitely well said ❤️
@@alext3480 And the woman who shame other woman are involved in this message. Woman shouldn't even be against each other in the first place. Though society created a toxic environment where woman feel ashamed of themselves and attack other woman with different figures to try to feel better about themselves. Of course, it is wrong, and I am not justifying it, though if that environment didn't exist you'd see it WAY less.
@Michelle M I can assure you that most women don't tear down each other . The notion that we do is indeed the male gaze perpetuated by the media as well . Yes some women do . But most women are supportive. Also women who do are the victims of the system of society themselves . So stop blaming women for literally everything . And men should start owning up .
I was praying that Luke would make a video about those looks, and I’m so happy that he also talked so much more than just the outfits. I feel so happy and just enlightened in general after watching this!
Luke, I want to applaud you for doing this video, and doing it so well. I am so glad to know you are a part of this planet and that I have access to you. I think you are fabulous.
Out of everything i have seen change in my 34 years, how women's bodies are discussed has become so different. I fully embrace the idea that women just don't deserve to have commentary forced on them about body shape. Period. This is progress I can fully get behind. Good job on Billie for being so quietly confrontational about it.
These photos are all stunning. The fact that people feel the need to tear her apart because of it is disgusting. These people are the same people that shamed her for wearing baggy clothes and now are shaming her for showing ‘too much’. What is worse is that this was being said about her when she was a minor and now she’s an adult she’s being shamed
Can’t fathom why media keep saying and I quote “she found her true self” when a woman is showing more skin. What about when she didn’t yet reveal anything does that mean she didn’t yet found herself? Who are they to chose which is the real her. Nobody, only the lady chose who she really is. Clothes does not make the person. The person makes the clothes.
Hands down the best content you have ever created. i love the wise statement about how the world reacts to certain women's clothing. Love, love, love ♥
She looked great in baggy. She looks great in the more bodycon pin up looks. The idea that any of her choices reflect upon her character is ludicrous. As long as her clothes make her feel powerful and beautiful, she should wear them.
First of all, Billie's outfits were AMAZING. I love them!! I love how they look on her, I want them myself even though I'm broke AF, and they are beautiful. Fuck the creeps and the hypocrites. Second, I think the issues that were consequently brought up by the shoot needed to be discussed, and I'm grateful that this shone more light on them. As someone who struggles with their own body image, its really empowering to see Billie try something new and express herself through her clothes.
Heard her music a few years ago...super talented and surprised when I saw a picture of her. Young girl and now she is metaphorically changing into a woman. Shes in control of her...let her be. No one deserves to be judged. I'm 66 and still constantly changing. That's living and being. Period.
To an extent, this reminds me of Christina Aguilera in the early 2000s. "Stripped" wasn't about appealing to the male gaze, but expressing, and exploring one's inner self. It's one of her most personal albums to date. She (along with other singers like Britney) was sexualised at a young age, so kudos to Eilish for how she presented herself as a minor, and I'm sure veteran female entertainers, like Aguilera, are proud of her.
Billie looks incredible, baggy street clothes or latex, pin-up style corset, either way she's a queen :). Also, Luke, your hair looks gorg in this video.
I think the photos shown in this video are tasteful and have a vintage-inspired feel to them that is much more demure than people seem to think. Compared to what is on most magazines now a-days, much is still being left covered and modest.
Can we aknowkeldge his knowledge ?? I came for his opinion on the clothes and I got a full fletched lecture on fashion history 😍 I mean let's applaud the work it takes to get such knowledge, thank you !!
I'm not all that interested in fashion, Vogue or Billie Eilish - but the video kept me quite captivated. I really appreciate the professionalism and most of all the well worded message.
Thank you, Luke! Your fashion knowledge and references are always so helpful in your reviews and discussions. I love that you tackled this topic. When I first saw these photos of Billie, I thought she looked fantastic. She’s always been stylish, and interesting on red carpets and such, and I found her reasoning for the more bulky styles to make sense a lot of sense, but no one wears the same thing forever. People freaking out about this seems so weird to me. She appears to have felt ready and in control to make this shift for the shoot and explore these looks with some of her previous brands and new. The Mugler look is iconic in its own right, and it’s a great pairing for her in this context. Ditto the Burberry trench, Agent Provocateur underpinnings, etc. She can dress however she wants, and I’m sure we’ll see her experiment a lot over her lifetime which is exciting. I hope that she found this empowering and exciting. It’s hard enough for a young woman to figure out how to feel about her body and sexuality, and process external feedback, even without being a hugely famous artist!
I never understood the discourse that came from this shoot. Although my interpretation was only surface level, I just took it as she’s growing up. When I became aware of how empowering lingerie is, truly dressing for yourself and no one else, it felt like I went through a transformation. Something about it made me realize how comfortable I was with my body regardless of the numerous changes it was (and still) undergoing. I feel as if, the people that are “upset” is because she took the power over her own sexuality instead of being dictated when she should show her skin vs. When she should be “conservative.”
Wow I'm living for this shoot (and your review)!!! I remember being a young adult and feeling inspired to explore my sexuality with fashion. I think this is normal for people. We shouldn't shame her, we ought to celebrate her (and other young people) as they bloom into all there different seasons. The girl makes the clothes, the clothes don't make her!
👏🏻 Great review! Billie is a treasure that is needs to be protected and guarded from the male gaze, celebrated for her ground-breaking achievements and her authenticity that provides solace to many.
This is why I like Billie. She is comfortable with herself, her self esteem and confidence is getting better and better . I am like Billie right now at 25 , I am wearing sweatpants and sweatshirts , big shirts but I definitely want to buy money sexy clothes in the future. I am happy 😃 for her.
It irks me a bit when people describe this as Billie "finally being her real self" or conversely as her "not being true to herself". Most of us enjoy wearing a bold outfit for a night, even if it's not necessarily our usual style. Not every outfit has to be the physical manifestation of our soul, some of them are just fun and feel good to wear.
you’ve summed up my thoughts better than i did!!!
Yess Omd this is spot on!!!
Exactly.
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if you wear obscenely revealing clothes that does tell about your character and personality. that's literally what women say is so important about fashion make up your mind lol
@@granolaman4410 Fashion doesn't define women, that's just in movies🤡 Judgemental people define women.
Dolly Parton has declared many times she's dressed as "the tramp" and "h*e" of her town, and yet she is the most marvalous person who has helped everyone in her community. Bless your heart, sir.
Not a super fan of her music but I think her image and way she’s tackled her fashion is so insanely INTELLIGENT.
I agree, she’s Literally just an artist having fun & that’s what makes her amazing
Completely same
Yeah I don't listen to her music either, but she's clearly smart, and I'm happy she was aware enough of child sexualisation when she was young. I wish more young stars get better stylists like this.
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Her image is an industry formula that’s been used by decades. Nothing new or unique about it. Hollywood/modeling/fashion/music industry has it perfected. Billie is only the latest current incarnation.
It makes me so so so sad that as a minor Billie knew the media would sexualize her, so she wore extremely over-sized clothing. God I wish we could just let teenager girls be who they wanted.
I stopped growing in the sixth grade, I am 175cm or 5'9. I'd get unwanted comments about my looks, even though I was clearly a child, not even a teenager. I wore over sized clothing, and dressed like a boy, and I'd get men tell me how I could make myself more attractive to them, and it did not faze them, when I said I was in elementary school. As a child, to have men, who are a lot larger and older than you, stop you in the middle of a street, just to comment on your looks, leaves a lasting effect.
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I dressed like a boy my whole childhood, because I felt really uncomfortable with my gender. I knew from a very young age I wasn't straight, but that only ruled out one possibility.
I hated being a girl, and felt a bit more like myself dressed like a boy. All through middle school and high school I wore binders. For a while I thought I might be trans, but I didn't really want to be a boy. To have this huge part of myself, that I didn't understand, and then have strangers point out my gender, and comment on my looks, tell me how to dress, what to do with my hair, did not help.
@@-Anjel I’m so sorry this happened to you, truly. It’s disgusting. I hope you never blame yourself because it’s not your fault and those men are all predators.
and guess what! she was still sexualised even though she dressed modestly
@@stayasminn TRUE, this world disgust me
@@-Anjel Sounds very familiar. I was tiny at that age, looked like child too - a small one. I sometimes dressed like a boy and sometimes more feminine. It didn't matter. My experience was very similar to yours. Grown men still do this - making our growing bodies their business, like how we choose to dress necessarily concerns them and they should get a say. They will corner you to offer their criticism or compliments and expect gratitude, a smile (at least give me a smile! There we go, see? That's better.) They'll do it in groups with no regard for how intimidating they are together. They'll do this any time and any place, but especially if you're alone (Don't be alone, that's not safe! She should have known better. I would never.) The only difference in adulthood is feeling bold enough to openly reject their impositions, regardless of the potential danger in doing so. We are doing better now with teaching our boys, but nowhere near good enough. The work continues and it cannot be up to mothers alone. Fathers, uncles, older brothers and cousins, male coaches and teachers, step it up. Future generations deserve better.
It’s interesting that people call these ‘revealing clothes.’ If you pay attention, she isn’t showing that much skin. These clothes feel guarded and structured to me. Like armor. This shoot contains the contradiction of Billie showing more of herself, while at the same time wearing these protective layers that keep her safe and tight. It feels like her standing in defiance of what is expected, revealing what she wants to reveal, and nothing more.
Oooooh I love this take and I agree !
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Lol revealing your couchie is what you consider revealing? Just revealing half tatas is revealing, males stare at mine even though they’re more covered than billies
@@frozenwoods863 uhm who tf are youu??
🙌 yes!!!
It’s so strange how misogyny manifests around her. Like she said she wore baggy clothes so no one would have an opinion but they still did anyways?? And now it’s her authenticity and herself as a person because she wore some lingerie. So strange.
Honestly, without negativity towards her, I do kind of understand people's confusion and taking the "loss of authenticity" angle. Like, she spent years making the point of the baggy clothes and her change seems so sudden, easy to perceive it like the "just legal" theme, similar to the situation with Bad Bahbie (Bhabie?).
I don't necessarily agree with that, I do think it's probably a business move (a very smart one, at that) and if she wants to get more publicity with her body added to her immense talent, good for her.
@@HangryinBrussels best take. People hate to see women succeed lol
I feel bad that she or her team made that choice to be revealing, as a woman I advocate for women to dress however they want but I feel like we need a big artist that also advocate for not giving men or misogyny a chance to have an opinion.
@Lèmon Lēe true
@@Woofwoof369 except that regardless of what she wears men and misogyny has an opinion, and I think that’s kind of the point here. I don’t think it’s women’s’ job to dress to placate misogynists, I don’t even think that’s possible.
man, everyone’s talking about her outfits, nobodies talking about how fantastic her hair looks with those pinup curls
Eh. Not my fav hairstyle 😅
IKR
@@moriahsheltonfilms same I think with the long hair, it looks a bit weird. I’m so used to seeing the pinup style with shorter hair
That hair style is a MASSIVE departure for her. As big as the clothes. I wonder if it will stick around.
I hate the hair but each to their own
It’s somewhat frustrating how everyone is using “revealing” when it’s really just “form fitting”. She hasn’t really revealed much, she just absolutely killed it in pretty full coverage fitted custom catsuits like the goddess she is. I love it. Such a gorgeous moment. She’s taking control and giving us a moment while still holding off on revealing anything, so she still has the opportunity to do it down the line if she so chooses.
@Queen queen do u have common sense? Something revealing isn’t necessary a lingerie.
@@SakhImad11 But she's literally wearing lingerie?
@Queen queen bro u don’t even know what u talking about lmao THAT WAS BILLIE’s DECISION, it wasn’t made by her team. Read her interview at least before u open ur mouth
You can’t show more than that with usual clothes. She looks like she’s wearing a lingerie. Nothing wrong with that, just call things by their name
@@SakhImad11 It is a lingerie.. what do some of you have against lingerie
the male gaze part really pissed me off because i don't know many men that would appreciate the garments craftsmanship, the theme of the shoot, the bravery billie showed in doing a shoot like this and the important issues that she touched on in this article. The way i see it she was playing into the female gaze and i am all for it. Female energy is high rn, this is a win for us.
I mean, the fact that this is Vogue and not Playboy should tell you something. The magazine is supposed to cater to "female ambition" in the words of Anna Wintour, and no matter how problematic fashion (and the magazine) can get at times, it sure does a good job of connecting with its intended target audience.
Beautiful.
A lot of the people criticizing Billie right now are the same ones who JUMPED to sexualize her as soon as she turned 18 (and before that). They're just upset this wasn't a pic creepily taken against het consent and that's she's doing it herself.
THIS!!
its gross that consent is seen as a "turn off" ????!!!
@@juliehruba5788 It definitely is
@@juliehruba5788 ya I think the people who do that have some weird obsession with like innocence or something. It's just a gross like why???!!
I have a theory that people get mad at all woman social media influences because men use to control and profit from when women were photographed looking attractive- you made a deal with playboy or whatever- but now women are profiting directly from their own image and of course we don't even realize our aversion to these women is just society trying to make sure the male gauze only benefits men...
Luke is that kid in English class who would write a persuasive essay he KNEW his teacher wouldn’t agree with but still get a good grade because his points were made so well
+Graciela Figueroa
#FACTS
When you’re curvy it feels as if your body is never your own. Some hyper-sexualize you or treat you with disgust. It doesn’t matter how you dress when you have curves, everyone will think something everyone will have something to say, everyone will stare. I just wish people would let her be.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
I'd never been able to put that feeling into words, thank you!
Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is exactly how it feels
Yep.
I looked twenty by the time I was 14. I didn’t mind the fact that they found me attractive. It was the fact that they never believed me when I said I was underage. I’m like “dude, I’m trying to keep you from committing a crime”.
At least it was a small town with only six police officers all of whom knew me personally. And most of these guys were students at the same college my father worked for. I knew the law would protect me. Not every girl has that.
YES I feel like when the pap photo of her in a tank top made her feel less in control, but this shoot allowed her to take that power back.
She is older than when she was 14. 5 years might not be big in a life, but 5 years in the teenage years is really big. She changed, she got happier, she learned and now she decided to wear form fitting clothes. She was and still is beautiful and bodies don’t matter.
And they talking about how she lost her originality, like bro she started as a teenager you don't expect her to go through phases and change and evolve and find out who she truly is. Many teenager years are full with being depressed and felling the whole world on your shoulders and she now truly found her happiness and it may not last but at least its here and people are saying she has lost what made Billie Eilish, Billie Eilish.
@@tantania6113 She hasn’t even really lived yet to be honest. If she stays on a healthy path, she has 60 ish years of her life *at best* so it makes no sense to judge her for this. Teenagers grow up and they continue to find themselves along the way. Just cos she’s an artist doesn’t mean she’s excluded.
@@CrystalLovesChrist Say it louder for the people in the back
fr im 16rn and even since I was 14 my style and perception of myself has changed drastically
Honestly, the baggy clothes while she was still underage was a smart move. The pinup cover @ 19? Magnificent.
Exactly. I dislike how society has started to infantilize 19 to 22 year olds, as evidenced by some college trends. At age 18, Billie could join the military if she wanted, so she can sure as hell wear pin-up clothing, too.
@@kimberlyoldschool im just curious but what do you mean with infantilizing 19-22 year olds? i think i sort of know what you mean but not really at the same time
Tbh 18-22 years old are still very young and if anything society places pressure on this age group to be and act older/more mature than what they are
@Lèmon Lēe It's the whole point of the video and you're free not to participate if you do not wish to. But then again you left a comment so you already have.
@@shelby6 thats it...tbh the change of style to a more 'sexualising' one literally as soon as she comes of age is kind of a weird creative decision? like it seems like a gift to predatory creeps who were just waiting for her to show skin (like how they were waiting for her to be 'legal')? im not bashing her at all but i was confused knowing how she struggled because of this when underage, like she was pressured into this style change. maybe i just feel this too much because of some bad experiences i had as a teen and younger, so i really related to her dressing comfortably (her previous style), but this gave me so much of a bad vibe :/
"I hate my stomach." "Let me put on a corset and do a shoot for Vogue." To me, that makes perfect sense. Run towards the monster, not away.
Carol, this is the most insightful comment on this list! Five-star comment! For me, Billie can do pretty much what she wants to and I trust it will make my own perspectives wider, deeper, and broader. She is an artist! At nearly 70 years old, that is why I respect her, and she inspires me. Her music? That is simply the opportunity to experience the magic.
+Carol McKenzie
Yep!
Thank you a lot. You made me feel better with that last sentence. I'm so self-conscious...
@ I don't know what OP intended, but for me it's the fact that she didn't let that keep her from finding something she felt confident in, and doing the shoot anyway. Too often, when you're not happy about your body, you get into this mindset of not even trying to look good, as if it was an all or nothing thing. The other end of the spectrum is "settling" and sacrificing your personal aesthetic preference in order to be positive about what you have. It takes a certain kind of confidence to admit that you're not living up to your own standards, and working with what you have but from an angle of reaching for your ideal.
Sure, she could have shown more and turned it into a body positivity moment, but that would have been hypocritical of her if she truly didn't like what she looked like in the end. She's allowed not to like a part of her body. But she didn't let it stop her and think that meant she wasn't beautiful or not model material. Instead, she got dressed in something that played to both her comfort level and her idea of beauty and got out there.
Or I might be completely misreading her because I didn't read the interview, and maybe she explained it better there.
But for me, personally, it was empowering to hear that she didn't have to completely overcome her insecurities before doing what she wanted to do. I would have gone into avoidance mode and not done the photoshoot until I a) lost some weight, or b) learned to like my fat. In either of those cases, my insecurities wouldn't have been a problem, because I wouldn't have had any. It's that she found a middleground and did the photoshoot while feeling insecure that turns this into "run towards the monster" moment.
Well said!
Also, people seem to forget that when she got famous, she was a literal CHILD... I know she seems mature and whatever, but what were people expecting from such a young girl! Now that she’s older, as many women do, she gets to explore her style and clothing, under her own terms and responding to what makes her feel like herself
Exactly!!
You took the words from my mouth and simplified them. She was a child, and she didn't need unwelcome/unwanted attention to her body. A lot of young girls who develop at a young age do the same thing. And it's hella creepy to be so famous and in the spotlight and have grown men (and women) eyeing her body and commenting. She's now an adult, and probably feels better equipped mentally to deal with the kind of attention she may be subject to, and in fact, probably appreciates her voluptuousness to a level where she's now comfortable with showing it off. Good.For.Her.
And they talking about how she lost her originality, like bro she started as a teenager you don't expect her to go through phases and change and evolve and find out who she truly is. Many teenager years are full with being depressed and felling the whole world on your shoulders and she now truly found her happiness and it may not last but at least its here and people are saying she has lost what made Billie Eilish, Billie Eilish.
@@AngelaPrue this is so true! I’m actually the same as billie in terms of body and age, and it’s has been recently that I have felt more courageous to explore more styles and not only oversized clothes, but people think she is more herself when it’s not, what she showed before is also herself and now it just she wants to show more and she can do what she wants.
That's highly depends on culture where you are from. I was expected in her age to plan my entire life ahead down to job and place of work after getting degree. While preparing to state exams. Do children have such responsibility?
This isn’t buying into the “male gaze”, it the feminine gaze and it’s beautiful.
No one ever said this for men
im about to watch the video, so i dont know if luke talks about this but it really doesnt strike me as feminine gaze for some reason? it looks like 50's submissive wifey aesthetic? if you dont mind could you explain why you think its feminine gaze? ^^"
@@briciolaa I don’t know how to explain it, there’s just something that feels like that. It feels so soft, delicate, and elegant like a ballerina.
@@briciolaa it’s very aesthetically pleasing rather than seductive ??? if that makes sense
@@briciolaa I get what you're saying, but I think the reason the OP believes (and I believe) that this is more female gaze than male gaze is due to the fact that Billie feels sexy without feeling sexualized. I think the 50's wifey vibes you're getting is due to the nature of her clothing and hairstyle which are very modern pin-up and the pin-up iconography in the US started in the late forties/fifties I believe.
The main difference between a woman being sexy in the female gaze vs being sexy in the male gaze is that, in the latter, her sexiness is made for the viewers gaze. Billie's standing shots are all straight on and there's no emphasis on a single part of her body, and on the majority of the shots, her face is what draws the most attention rather than her body (it's usually the starting and ending point for me when I'm looking at the images). Often times, when you see a sexy woman through the male gaze, its focusing on one or two specific parts of the body and angling the camera and subject to exaggerate those parts. Legs are a really easy example of this. The photographer could have easily isolated billie's body from her, but they're innately intertwined and she dominates the photo more than her body does.
This photo shoot doesn't feel like it's for anyone other than Billie. She's 1000% sexy, but she isn't sexualized, and for me that's the key factor in the difference between male and female gaze. Ashnikko's music video Daisy is the same in this way if you want to see more examples of the female gaze with sexy women :)
Edit: wow, thanks for the likes yall! Never had this many likes on a reply before haha
I am someone with a curvy body and have always had one. Growing up, it always felt as though my body was either something to be ridiculed or hypersexualized. It made me feel as though my frame was something for everyone else enjoyment but my own. From my love of retro fetish and pin-up styles that I saw on Bettie Page to my love and admiration of Dita Von Teese, lingerie became a haven for me to explore and love my body. So, if anything, I think Billie needs to be supported because it is not easy to be a young woman with that lovely figure of hers. And I see this shoot as her taking her power back and learning how to embrace herself.
I can relate to this. Up until around the time I started college, I always felt like I needed to hide my figure for fear of other's opinions and never really had the chance to form my own opinions of my body. I'm glad Billie was able to have creative control over this photoshoot and emphasize the concept of choice when it came to fashion and self expression.
YESSS exactly these two comments^^^
I’ve got a curvy figure and a baby face so I’ve had a lot of creepy comments said to me and my style has definitely given me the power to take back being sexualized from other people, but especially men.
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I relate to this so hard and it kinda makes me sad, growing up around a catholic household, even long dresses were considered too provocative just because of my behind. Picnic dresses were considered infantile and somehow provocative again. Jeans were an even bigger issue, heaven forbid that i wore heels with them. Even jeans fron the mens section (real situation) were too tight to be worn with heels , baggage and all.
It made me angry that people were trying to force me to feel ashamed of my body, but then turn around and be like "why are you depressed, there's no reason" when they founded one of the reasons.
Even now as an adult, my figure or clothing choices cause issues. Of course men stare, im not surprised. But it's the women hate that breaks my heart while enraging me at the same time. Im not even that curvy in comparison to some girls, but just because of my figure , many things i wear get sexualized or ridiculed.
Honestly I now struggle to show my shoulders and arms from pressure I got at school 😅 I am also way more paranoid about whether what I'm wearing is appropriate for work because I have a big chest.
She looked beautiful and I found her photos so empowering. She can hide or show whatever she wants, it's her body. And seeing her take her power and dress the way she wants regardless of what people say is so inspiring.
Period. And her interview was great she spoke so profoundly about the male gaze and r*pe culture in today’s world
Thank you for crediting the black creatives that set this trend in motion. Luke always sites his sources and is very referential in the most journalistic way.
Luke fr sounds like a news caster i just love it
I immediately hit like when he said that.
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Im glad Billie got to reveal her body on her own terms. Personally I think the media is disgusting and they love to sexualize children. They were dying to get a normal pic of billies body. She was wearing shorts and a strapped shirt and they went crazy over that pic! Overall, we need to normalize not worrying about others bodies in general.
Yeah, I agree with you on that sexualisation of children part. It's big in the entire entertainment industry, Hollywood included. I've got a criminology degree and it shocks me! I'm glad Billie had a good instinct about it from an early age & was able to manage it on her own terms.
let's also talk about how a significant portion of the comments sexualizing her are probably due to her body type, I mean if she had a smaller cup size do you think there would be as many comments talking about how revealing it is when she's actually pretty covered up?
Exactly! Thank you. Same thing I was thinking. Throughout the photos what can you see? Her arms and legs? How scandalous! She has a bigger cup size so of course some of it will be seen. It sucks to be sexualized because of your breast size 😔 I just hope she isn't reading comments regarding the photo shoot.
True but also the context behind the shoot (pin-up, lingerie, latex, trench coat) are traditionally sexualize fabrics and silhouettes. They are purposely playing up the sexuality for controversy. It’s not an accident that people are making these comments, people aren’t reaching arbitrarily because she is covered up...they wanted this response.
I hate how we've been conditioned to view outfits differently based on the body that's wearing them for me it's different I'm pretty tall and dresses/skirts always look shorter than intended on me and I remember once I saw a girl wearing the same dress as me but it looked twice as long on her and I had this thought like "wow it looks so proper on her it's way too short on me I look slutty next to her" when it was the same piece of cloth?? you just could see more of my legs?? I'm glad I grew up and realised how stupid this mindset is ://
@@alyssagangi5341 Did they? Can you imagine how tiring it is to constantly be judged by other ppl, and made to feel like your body is not ur own?
I agree that the shoot played up the concept of pin-up, lingerie, etc... but the context of it in current times is totally different from the past. Ppl like Dita Von Teese for example, is respected and revered because of her perfected, sensual aesthetics. It’s her choice to embrace her sensuality and her body, and I don’t think it’s any different in Billie’s case either.
Maybe she will decide to change her style in the future, wear baggy clothes again, or maybe she will keep on with the amazing style she’s showing us now. The audience doesn’t get to take apart or criticize her for a personal style choice. Let’s reserve our scrutiny for actual problematic behaviors instead.
@Stars_Who_Knows I fully agree
Honestly, I'm just happy for her. She decided when to show her body. In this digital age, girls are so often forced to be sexual objects before they even know the concept of consent. So for Billie to be able to pick her moment is powerful.
Plus, the garments aren't that sexual They look quite classy. I've worn more revealing things in bdsm parties.
Yes! She's elegant, not vulgar
... Obviously you can find more revealing outfits at a BDSM party LMAO
@@lobaetoile8440 it depends. Hahaha. In some parties, full body latex is a thing. Or only a select number of people are dressed in sub gear.
That last line did it for me. I fell off my bed screaming YAAASSS AND LMAO!
Gucci, mcqueen, mugler, balmain, burberry, westwood. Truly a powerhouse
RIGHT AND AGENT PROVOCATEUR LIKE YOURE JOKING SHES A GODDESS
And then they fucked it up with dolce gabbana
I think it started with the hair. You could tell in the first shots of her after the blonde hair makeover that she was feeling like a bombshell. She's rocking it!
Dude imagine being so “important” that all the top designers JUMP at the chance to collaborate with you.
Also , YOU go to British Vogue.
You don’t wait for anyone to come to you.
Crazy how big all of this is.
And how small I feel.
Good or bad.
It’s how it is.
Much love Luke!
Love your vids!
Hey are you okay? Seems like you're going through something.
@@Peayou... why did you answered for @Ana Starr ?
@@Peayou... next time shut up okay?
Why do you feel small?
You shouldn't
At first, looking at billies clothing in this shoot, i was uncomfortable, but when you said “if you sexualize billie… its not her problem, its yours” it made me almost cry… i have had misogyny and the male gaze drilled into my brain for so long, that while i was trying to fight against it i really wasnt fighting at all. I was hiding. It is my problem if im uncomfortable and its also the problem of people who choose to sexualize me. My solution is to be the image i want without caring what others think.
You should realize it's not about sexualizing or not. It's about Billie not being herself anymore. It's about doing something no expected her to do. She wanted to make songs, and wanted to make sure she gets the views because her song, not because her body. I'm worried she was being forced to change her style or shamed for her baggie style. You know these things are very possible to happen in the world.
Be radically yourself. It will bring you joy.
@@RealSaudiExplorer she only does what she wants to do she has said it many times and you can see her management team respects that
@@RealSaudiExplorer i feel like deviating from your stars' iconic style is an odd choice for a marketing team. It would make more sense to keep with her iconic baggy clothes, the same way Ariana keeps her ponytail. Id be worried if it were earlier in her career, but she's established and older now. As Luke says, it feels pretty authentic for ~20 year old to experiment with their body.
My favorite look from her is definitely the mugler look PERIODT.
YESSSSS, Mugler always knew the assignment
YESS i love that look so much!!
which one is that one
Yeah... Whitch one one is that one
@@novabiljatrepavicaalibolja6059 I think is the black one
Ultimately she is free to dress however she wants and show as much or as little of her body as she wants to.
The fact that she is so young and adults are s*xualizing her and her body right after she turns "legal" just makes me uncomfortable.. But that is on those people and the media
Yh I agree. I can’t believe people really think she did this for controversy 😭 it’s messed up
I thought the same thing too. I think that it’s gross that when she was still a minor she was criticised for wearing baggy clothing and then is shamed for wearing form fitting clothing
ruclips.net/video/sKBF_D55xoA/видео.html🙏🙏👍
The first thing I thought of is... maybe the cover is a way for Billie to explore her own body confidence & positivity after the paparazzi body shamed her last year? Like how wearing baggy clothes is a way she controls her image, wearing shapewear can be too.
Wearing underwear for a photoshoot doesn't mean someone is confident. She looked more confident wearing baggy clothes tbh.
@@iheartdelrey exploration is trying new things. she’s used to baggy clothes, naturally she’s comfortable. but it requires less bravery and less confidence to do same things. to me, this was a fascinating try
She can wear whatever she wants, as can we. She looks bloody fabulous and the photos are so tasteful.
The only thing that bugs me, is the bangs, but that’s a personal preference.
I am so jealous of the outfit! So soft, the colours, the contours, the seams shaping her body. It’s revealing without being sexual.
It’s sexy, but not hyper sexual.
Class, pure class.
I like the bangs they r cute I think (not a fan :D)
@@Peayou... agreed ☺️
yesss! whenever i looked at the photos, there was something i couldn’t quite put a finger on (idk if that’s the term? lol). but yeah, i think it’s the bangs. if it wasn’t there i think it would tie the look together, considering its theme as well. but she still looks beautiful nonetheless. i just wished they styled her hair or bangs a bit differently.
I think the bangs comes from the pin up imagerie. In the 40' pin ups had bangs, and billy mentioned this influence for the shoot.
@@lisetessier9619 definitely agree
Missy Elliott is the queen of baggy clothing stlye!! Truly an icon that doesn't get enough praise
Fr!
When i saw her in those outfits my first reaction was amazement. My second reaction was: I hope creeps give her a damn break.
I thought she looked stunning but I hate how my second thought is that people still continue to be creepy towards her.
Exactly , especially with the corset and trench set. My first thought was "wow that's insane" cuz she looks amazing. BUT SHE CLEARLY LOOKS AMAZING which means someone. Somewhere, will find a way to make the same or even worse nasty comments as before
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I fear for it. I love seeing ppl live their best life, but i genuinely fear because of the bad ppl in the world
Truth is creeps are creeps whether a person is wearing baggy clothes that cover the body or lingerie that shows skin. Creeps gonna creep no matter what.
@@dawnaire4414 exactly right. I was thinking theyre going to use excuses like she's wearing etc. etc.* to justify what theyre saying etc cause these clothes can be seen in such a way
When I saw it was where could I get this and how to style it my way😂
dude billie's always been so adamant about not wanting to be only one thing or have only one image, so it makes me really happy to see her challenging the notion that all she wears/will wear/feels comfortable wearing are her signature big, baggy clothes. she looks amazing in either style, and i'm excited to see what else she does to experiment with her clothes
It's so common for celebrities to do a sexy photo shoot once they leave their teen years. Billie actually said she prefers baggy clothes so that people wouldn't judge or talk about her body. I'm glad she felt comfortable enough to do this and she's representing girls who aren't skinny. I'm a fan of the retro vibe. It's a bit Lana Del Rey with Billie's own twist.
Nothing is about skinny girls anymore. I was never big but my whole life I wanted people to look at me and be like “she’s doing tiny”... now Im tiny at 99 pounds and HATE my body. Everyone’s made it seem like you’re less of a woman is you’re petite and without curves. Everyone’s acting like being FAT... not curvy but FAT is desiresble. . I wish we could just stop rateing and judging others on their body’s at all, when skinny was in larger people were insecure now that being bigger is in the smaller people are insecure. We need to honor everyone’s body type and not swing and favor one end of the spectrum over the other
@@cosmiccoco6889 There's skinny girls everywhere in the media. Not sure where you've been looking. Though the focus is more on being fit now, rather than weak and skinny. You can be "tiny" and fit, don't you worry. :)
@@cosmiccoco6889 The people who think fat is desirable, healthy, and ideal, are the people who believe in, quote on quote, "fatphobia". I'm not saying they can't be pretty, it's mostly the healthy part and thinking it is a good thing that is wrong.
Marvel comics has recently done this “hellfire gala” thing where the X-men characters are wearing met gala esque outfits. It would be so cool to see you review the looks because a lot of them have been pretty yikes from what I’ve heard from the fandom
Great idea!
@@YasminCarli thanks! I just hope he see’s this
Yesssss
ruclips.net/video/sKBF_D55xoA/видео.html🙏🙏🙏🙏
The use of the “Everything I Wanted” quote at the beginning was SPOT ON
She made me feel so much better about my tummy. I've been struggling for years with my weight, even fell into a period where I had an eating disorder and had to go to the hospital. I'm so thankful for Billie.
I love to hear black women recieving their flowers😍🥰🥰 she looks beautiful in the Mugler, lovely
I think Billie has such a unique face. She has such strong features. I think she could wear anything and still stand out. She looks stunning and powerful in these images.
I admire Luke’s openness around his own body image issues. We need to have this conversation more. ❤️
Honestly as a woman, or gentleman, if you are wearing lingerie to please somebody else instead of yourself you need to rethink about your priorities. Billie did this for herself and I think that’s what people tend to forget. I personally can’t wait to see what fashion style she pulls off next. It’s refreshing
I think when you said her being a 19 year old speaking about imperfections gives you hope that's just absolutely it, and I think that's why it's caused such a stir, alot of people are so ready to see this progression but there are clearly some people who aren't (for not so great reasons)
I loved every look. I didn’t view it as sexual, just vulnerable and soft. It’s the same vibes I’ve been getting from her singles and it’s beautiful.
I totally agree with you
Spot on. I thought she looks beautiful and feminine. My first thought wasn't "sexual"
Thank you for educating us, unfortunately confronting sexism isn't always prevalent in the fashion industry and gay culture and is easily misinterpreted as rejection/solicitation towards men. Articulating it on your platform is helping to normalize opposing the patriarchy in these social circles, so thank you for your work
honestly, i wonder if it’s also a way of her kind of “owning” her body and taking back control after the internet spread the paparazzi shots everywhere of her in a tank top? it was so beyond disgusting how, after she was quoted saying she didn’t want people to see her like that, people ate up these pictures that were taken without her consent.
It feels like, her body and its image was something she tried to keep for herself for so long, but it was taken from her by force - maybe part of this shoot is her going “well, they’ve seen me without my permission, but now they are going to see me *on my terms*”
I won’t claim to ever know her complete motivations for anything, but all I know is she is brave as hell. she’s cool and original and smart and has more guts than i could ever hope to have. sending her massive appreciation and good vibes 🧡👑👏👏👏
I think these images are really beautiful. It just feels like your witnessing a young woman in the process of putting her dress on to go face the world or watching your mother put her favorite earrings on to feel beautiful vibes. I think this editorial is really gorgeous and daring 💖💝
watching my mom put on favorite earrings is such a sweet nostalgic vibe♡♡♡♡
I’m 31 and SO excited to see how Billie continues to evolve, progress and create. Media and society are fucking weird.
Her custom looks were amazing. I loved everything she wore and how she “uncovered” herself in a powerful meaningful way
As a mother of an 11 year old girl... thank you to Billie for drawing a line and doing things her way!
I’m sure these celebrities and their stylists watch Luke and listen. Now let’s hope Margot listens.
You absolutely SLAYED this video!!! This isn’t a RUclips video, it’s straight up fashion journalism.
I absolutely love love love what you said about how fabrics are associated with kinks and how wearing a simple trench coat is being seen as something else. It's people's problem not the wearer's. It's just a piece of clothing. Women or men or whoever should be free to wear whatever tf they want 🙌🏻
She’s an artist, she needs to constantly express herself, grow and evolve. If this is the direction she wants to grow and evolve so be it! She looks great and it comforts me to know she approached vogue and this was HER idea. In her teens she didn’t want to show skin she wasn’t comfortable with it she’s growing older and she wants change let her have it.
I remember when you said you wanted to see more from her in the future and damn she heard your cry hun.
misogyny coming after a teenager is nothing new. I am just happy Billie is confident in her body and kudos to her! Like I was 19 in 2013-14, so Billie is definitely doing better style-wise as a 19-year-old. She has the absolute right to wear whatever she wants!!
The overall concept (outfits, color story, referencing) is just amazing.
This is very educational. Not only for Billie, but perspectives of "revealing clothes" and lingerie. Thank you for making this video
She looks good. She matured. She can do whatever she wants, it’s her body. It’s not risque, it’s structured.
I agree. She's an adult. She can do whatever the hell she wants. She looks nice. What's wrong with having fun with clothing.
If anyone is interested Billie's seamed stockings are by the small brand "What Katie Did"
Billie looks fire and her personality and what she sends out in the universe are awesome. She's so inspiring.
Not to forget the fact that Billie was a minor not long ago and people would have sexualized, and still did no matter the clothes imagine now. we must never forget she's her own person and no one has the right to judge anyone´s body, especially Billie who showed herself insecure about it several times, so just be happy or keep your opinion if it's not going to bring something good.
Life is about Change. Change can be scary, but it brings Growth & Evolving. She is 19, and maturing. Go Billie, do you.
YES
Let me just say that Billie Eilish looks absolutely stunning and this is special journey/experience for her growth
You mix humor, fashion knowledge, personality, and honesty makes this one of my favorite channels. I have enjoyed watching you find yourself in this channel. You are the bitchy honest friend everyone needs in there life
A thing that I loved about this photoshoot is how in control it felt. The camera and the shots never felt like they were leering at her, but rather highlighting how she wanted to be seen. It felt very in control and despite the "sexy" clothing, I didn't immediately get the vibe that this was trying to tell us to look at her sexually. She's just existing, and feeling good in herself while doing so. We get to see her exploring herself and how she wants to be seen. It honestly felt empowering knowing that she is the one owning her body, rather than just the industry.
i don't follow billie eilish religiously but i do love her music and thought some of her outfits were really cool. when i saw this shoot, i was a bit shocked at how different she looked but she still looks beautiful. i personally don't prefer this new aesthetic, it doesn't seem to suit her and her music but im excited to see new outfits
it probably will suit her considering she has a new album coming out which is different
I love your comment on this and puting it into prespective with the fashion designers or inspiration behind those corsets. I think it is totally alright for her to experiment, not to mention that they really think about her personality or style while making those garments. I really love her fashion story and it definetly suit her.
The baggy outfits are also nice and she knows how to wear them, not to mention that to me, it seems super comfy :)
Anyway I am glad that she found the confidence to do this, and I must say I am happy for her :) I hope to see and hear more of her opinions!
but so you all know im 25+ and use oversize clothes mostly cause my body dysmorphia but i still enjoy it so there is nothign wrong with using oversize clothe and this girl made it cool
Your explanation of shaming women for their sexuality was on point. For this alone I wish more ppl would watch this video. However the entire video was definitely well said ❤️
I agree!!
women shame other women too
@@alext3480 And the woman who shame other woman are involved in this message. Woman shouldn't even be against each other in the first place. Though society created a toxic environment where woman feel ashamed of themselves and attack other woman with different figures to try to feel better about themselves. Of course, it is wrong, and I am not justifying it, though if that environment didn't exist you'd see it WAY less.
@Michelle M I can assure you that most women don't tear down each other . The notion that we do is indeed the male gaze perpetuated by the media as well . Yes some women do . But most women are supportive. Also women who do are the victims of the system of society themselves . So stop blaming women for literally everything . And men should start owning up .
I was praying that Luke would make a video about those looks, and I’m so happy that he also talked so much more than just the outfits. I feel so happy and just enlightened in general after watching this!
Finally I was waiting for you to address this issues
Billie can wear whatever she wants she can evolve her style however she wants
Love you
Luke, I want to applaud you for doing this video, and doing it so well. I am so glad to know you are a part of this planet and that I have access to you. I think you are fabulous.
Out of everything i have seen change in my 34 years, how women's bodies are discussed has become so different. I fully embrace the idea that women just don't deserve to have commentary forced on them about body shape. Period. This is progress I can fully get behind. Good job on Billie for being so quietly confrontational about it.
These photos are all stunning. The fact that people feel the need to tear her apart because of it is disgusting. These people are the same people that shamed her for wearing baggy clothes and now are shaming her for showing ‘too much’. What is worse is that this was being said about her when she was a minor and now she’s an adult she’s being shamed
Billie and her body are revolutionary. I love it. She dresses to empower herself, not to impress other people.
The pin up look is perfect for her body type ! She’s gorgeous regardless of what she wears.
& her vogue cover outfit is so unique and pretty
Can’t fathom why media keep saying and I quote “she found her true self” when a woman is showing more skin. What about when she didn’t yet reveal anything does that mean she didn’t yet found herself? Who are they to chose which is the real her. Nobody, only the lady chose who she really is. Clothes does not make the person. The person makes the clothes.
Hands down the best content you have ever created. i love the wise statement about how the world reacts to certain women's clothing. Love, love, love ♥
NEVER CLICKED SO FAST IN MY LIFE
“Goth girl at your local supermarket” 🖤✨ literally where I saw my first goth.
I never clicked so fast. Talk to me !!!
She looked great in baggy. She looks great in the more bodycon pin up looks. The idea that any of her choices reflect upon her character is ludicrous. As long as her clothes make her feel powerful and beautiful, she should wear them.
First of all, Billie's outfits were AMAZING. I love them!! I love how they look on her, I want them myself even though I'm broke AF, and they are beautiful. Fuck the creeps and the hypocrites. Second, I think the issues that were consequently brought up by the shoot needed to be discussed, and I'm grateful that this shone more light on them. As someone who struggles with their own body image, its really empowering to see Billie try something new and express herself through her clothes.
Heard her music a few years ago...super talented and surprised when I saw a picture of her. Young girl and now she is metaphorically changing into a woman. Shes in control of her...let her be. No one deserves to be judged. I'm 66 and still constantly changing. That's living and being. Period.
True!
To an extent, this reminds me of Christina Aguilera in the early 2000s. "Stripped" wasn't about appealing to the male gaze, but expressing, and exploring one's inner self. It's one of her most personal albums to date. She (along with other singers like Britney) was sexualised at a young age, so kudos to Eilish for how she presented herself as a minor, and I'm sure veteran female entertainers, like Aguilera, are proud of her.
What does kudo mean? English is not my native language.
kudos is something people say to express that they have respect for someone (i guess). Think of like “you called that bad person out! Kudos to you!”
I think this is one of the most iconic fashion moments I’ve seen in a while. Billie is an undisputed modern icon.
She is gorgeous and extremely talented, she can wear whatever she wants!
Billie looks incredible, baggy street clothes or latex, pin-up style corset, either way she's a queen :). Also, Luke, your hair looks gorg in this video.
I think the photos shown in this video are tasteful and have a vintage-inspired feel to them that is much more demure than people seem to think. Compared to what is on most magazines now a-days, much is still being left covered and modest.
Can we aknowkeldge his knowledge ?? I came for his opinion on the clothes and I got a full fletched lecture on fashion history 😍 I mean let's applaud the work it takes to get such knowledge, thank you !!
I can't wait to see the reaction of those 'not like other girls' girls after seeing those magezine covers
I'm not all that interested in fashion, Vogue or Billie Eilish - but the video kept me quite captivated.
I really appreciate the professionalism and most of all the well worded message.
the amount of times I yelled "preach" had my husband very confused from the other room. best video you've done in my opinion! lots of love to you !
Thank you, Luke! Your fashion knowledge and references are always so helpful in your reviews and discussions.
I love that you tackled this topic. When I first saw these photos of Billie, I thought she looked fantastic. She’s always been stylish, and interesting on red carpets and such, and I found her reasoning for the more bulky styles to make sense a lot of sense, but no one wears the same thing forever.
People freaking out about this seems so weird to me. She appears to have felt ready and in control to make this shift for the shoot and explore these looks with some of her previous brands and new. The Mugler look is iconic in its own right, and it’s a great pairing for her in this context. Ditto the Burberry trench, Agent Provocateur underpinnings, etc. She can dress however she wants, and I’m sure we’ll see her experiment a lot over her lifetime which is exciting.
I hope that she found this empowering and exciting. It’s hard enough for a young woman to figure out how to feel about her body and sexuality, and process external feedback, even without being a hugely famous artist!
You never miss! YOU NEVER MISS!!! Obsessed with your analysis +. your explanations. Honestly, more power to her for taking control of herself
I never understood the discourse that came from this shoot. Although my interpretation was only surface level, I just took it as she’s growing up. When I became aware of how empowering lingerie is, truly dressing for yourself and no one else, it felt like I went through a transformation. Something about it made me realize how comfortable I was with my body regardless of the numerous changes it was (and still) undergoing. I feel as if, the people that are “upset” is because she took the power over her own sexuality instead of being dictated when she should show her skin vs. When she should be “conservative.”
Wow I'm living for this shoot (and your review)!!! I remember being a young adult and feeling inspired to explore my sexuality with fashion. I think this is normal for people. We shouldn't shame her, we ought to celebrate her (and other young people) as they bloom into all there different seasons. The girl makes the clothes, the clothes don't make her!
👏🏻 Great review! Billie is a treasure that is needs to be protected and guarded from the male gaze, celebrated for her ground-breaking achievements and her authenticity that provides solace to many.
This is why I like Billie. She is comfortable with herself, her self esteem and confidence is getting better and better . I am like Billie right now at 25 , I am wearing sweatpants and sweatshirts , big shirts but I definitely want to buy money sexy clothes in the future. I am happy 😃 for her.