Every time I’ve tried it even with 4” system that’s usually the outcome even trying to pre wet hoses bf I put them together! Another great video Scott !
As a finisher going through apprenticeship program and learning about the different mixed designs for California and across this country in the United States here in particular Scott they there's different Portland cement I don't know what kind of cement if you guys use any up there in your mix mixes for whatever you guys are pumping or pouring. That's what holds everything together is the cement that's the glue and everybody's plant they would learn that
So our cement up here comes from primarily 2-3 major suppliers. We had one ready mix provider run out of their own powder seeing the shortage so they were for a short time using powder from a competing supplier. The stuff was WILD in that it reacted almost completely differently with their plasticizer chemical in comparison to their usual powder. It would come down the mixer chute and 8” slump (placing-boom job) and exit the discharge hose at a 3.5”.
You used to much water when you did it. 100ft out only needs about half a bucket of water and I always just dump it straight in the hose and let her eat and it primes great every time. I’ve noticed when you add to much water that’s when you tend to gravel pack due to the water washing all the grout out
Go back and watch your own video of saber concrete pumping. That boom pump is cycling and he sprays the mud as it goes into the pump. 1) spray water on the concrete as it comes down the chute. 2) start the pump as soon as concrete hits the chute. Do NOT fill your whole hopper. Drink a Tim Hortons hang out with the crew for 1/2 a hour while the stuff in the hopper is segregating. Then try to start. I pump that same grainy mix in AZ. With a s-tube We have a 1/2” rock mix / 12.7mm that’s very popular with back yard patio stuff. Water prime if it’s 150ft or less. Give it 1 more try but copy exactly how saber pumping did it.
Hey man, try filling the hopper a bit over half the cylinders and then pump forward. Fill hopper with concrete and wait a bit for mixers to mix the dry concrete with water. I wait like 15 seconds and then start pumping forward with some decent pressure. I’ve primed until now from 2” hose to 52m boom all mixes.
I’m from Australia and I use washed sand probably about 3-4 shovels and mix it with just one shovel of cement powder then when comes time to pour mix with water a little bit above the sand and cement mixture and that will give you a nice slurry mixture and the prime the line with water first probably about a bucket full then put the slurry mixture through works a treat and I ushaly will hop on the back of the truck and look into the bowel to make sure the slump is correct before going through the pump helps with blockages a lot I try to minimise the amount of concrete going into the hopper that isn’t the desired slump
It rarely lets me down. I mostly just enjoy playing around with different techniques for the sale of self-educating when time/circumstances permit (this job was the perfect scenario for a little experimentation).
I enjoy your content. As I was watching it as soon as the concrete hit your hopper I was shouting “ pump it! There!! Pump!…. Oh No…. “ If you do the exact same thing as this video but when the concrete hits your hopper asap start pumping at more than half open throttle… I will bet anybody that u won’t get plug like you did here. … But I can be wrong. I don’t know shit… I m not a pumper…. I just fix this rigs better known as concrete pumps over in the side of town where the sun shines like there is no tomorrow. Souther California.
For years I just used dirt water and a little dish soap untill it was like a chocolate milkshake and sent it packin works great but now I use bentonite like a real pro 😉
I use bentonite to prime my Tk70 w/ 2.5in hose as well and it works like a champ. From what I’ve seen, when people water prime, you have to have the pump on as mixer pours into the hopper. You can’t let the material sit there with the water or it’ll separate faster. Good for you for giving it a shot for the people! Great channel
Few people have mentioned exactly as you suggest. Definitely going to give it a try! Bentonite is also our go-to and rarely fails us. This was just more of a fun, experimental thing. 😁
First mistake was listening to “the people” lol When I first started line pumping you could get away with priming 100ft of hose with water, but that’s about it. Nowadays, with the heavy usage of chemicals to make up for the strength in concrete it’s pretty well impossible to prime hoses with water. Mix designs are not nearly as creamy as they were 10 years ago. Now, if I have to prime with water I do it one hose at a time. If I have more than 3 hoses I’m using cement powder
Agreed, our mixes ain’t what they used to be. From what I’ve seen, the guys water priming have either a ball-valve machine, and/or a really creamy/fatty mix. I believe that the heavy amount of sand in our mixes is not conducive to water-priming.
One thing I take from your videos is safety and know how but most importantly it’s the care factor. Pumping ain’t easy but giving a fuck seems hard. Send it mate 😎👊🏻 🇮🇪 🇦🇺
Appreciate that my man. Always try to incorporate some element of safety into my vids. So many little things in terms of safety often get overlooked in our industry and then when it’s too late, lead to much bigger things.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 your Right my fellow mud slut,do the same thing but on repeat follow what you know and works but Always watch listen. At times your girl will tell you all you need to know when sending it so eyes and ears open. My rule is safety first and the hoseman and in turn doing that you’ll provide a good clean job and happy customer. Look after your war horse and it will look after you and when the shit hits the fan,work fast hard and safe. Send it !!
The company i used to work for would fill their hopper up about half to three quarters of water and as soon as the concrete started coming out of truck they would go wide open and prime out. But it was an older ball valve.
Seems to be a common trend with guys suggesting faster prime versus a slower one when using just water. I most definitely was going too slow here in this video.
Think it's because you don't want the concrete catching up with the water because it causes separation just like using slickpack on pipelines over 30m it causes blockages @@canadianconcretepumper1979
Nice try dude! All you needed was more water! I'm the 300ft foot water prime guy hahaha. I fill my pea gravel pump up all the way up to the top of the ball and seats.....so for yours I believe that's the bottom of the s cam? Mind you about a full wheel barrel of water blasts out but the crew will spread it out or spray it in a empty wheel barrel. Nice video, cheers. Larry's Concrete Pumping Inc, Corona CA
We run TA pumps (Small handmade pump builder here in socal) My pump holds the water until the mud fills the hopper and that is the most important thing, not sure if yours holds water while pumping....you can also rise the reducer off the pump till you get mud in the hopper and then kick it down.
lol!!! YOU’RE THE GUY!!! 😂😁😂 Enough people have commented/suggested the same as you, I’ve gotta take the advice and give it another whirl!!! That being said, I ain’t holding my breath. 😂😂😂
Almost forgot. I try to get the first stone accumulation out of the pump before I attempt to drive alot of hoses straight out of the pump or at the end of the mast. Usually makes my life little bit easier👍
So it’s not just me failing with this full-pull water-prime method then? 😂 Do you ever use bentonite for priming? Works great and costs pennies per prime. Just can’t ever let it work its way into the slab, that’s all.
I think it's diffently the mix and the highdrolic ball valves seem to be better at getting it through with just water I always used water and a slurry mix
En canarias a la tolva le ponemos arena de África humeda para q nos se nos pegue el hormigón y nos sirve para cuando sacamos la lechada si el hormigon viene con mucha grava se mezcle con agua y qede mas pastoso.
I don't know if a product called sa is available in Canada. It is a fat fluid used as an accelerate in the concrete. Useful with lower temperatures and quicker drying with higher temperatures. A nightmare in the hopper, off course, with higher temperatures and slow jobs. But there is one useful feature of this product for us pumper guys and girls. To get the concrete from the pump to the end hose of hoses. I ran a specialised concrete designed for hoses, no rocks in the mix, but can be a nightmare, usually we're wet mix, with water and a couple of Liters with the acceleration fluid in 46m of pump and 85 meters of hose in one go. With a reduced amount of rocks I usually get almost to the end. Clogging up a dried plug while the concrete is travelling in the hose. Usually, at the last or 2 last hoses. In my experience, water in hoses works only with smaller lengths like 15-20 meters. Only waterpriming hoses never work as Easy as priming out a mast. If it is to succeed in one go, the requirement for the concrete to work this way is so high. it's more down to luck than competence.
Awesome advice. I need to look into that “SA” product which you mention. Going to check with a few of my ready mix buddies to see if they can help me source it.
@canadianconcretepumper1979 is an acceleration product placed in the truck at the construction site. I do believe it should be available in Canada, too. It has many characteristics as diesel
Exactly how my one and only attempt went! I’ll stick to super primer’s liquid primer because it works every single time. Two Thumbs up to those who can do it and make it work every single time !! It’s just not for me lol. 😂
And that's coming from a finisher that's been working with concrete pump operators all my life doing concrete work so I can say that and oh by the way Scott are those finishers that were that
100% agree! I think even stepping up to 2.5” hose would yield much better results with the water-prime. Either way, as you mentioned, bentonite for the win!
@@canadianconcretepumper1979definitely don’t let water run away, like you said. i use a stake or something to hold the reducer/elbow up. also from what i’ve been taught, when priming, have volume decently high. probably 60 70 %. that’s about all i got though 😂 i’m only 17 and still have a lot to learn.
Mix designs in our region they are fairly secretive about and generally do not divulge the specific proportions (with one exception being exposed aggregate mix in which we can select the amount of stone we would want).
Whoever that was that said that to you Scott obviously is never been outside of California or wherever they're from here in the United States and pumped concrete in in different countries and all that to even understand what they're even talking about or they don't know anything about understand the mixes they pump obviously otherwise they wouldn't be telling you that
By the way. I'm looking for a change in my life. If you need me, I'm very soon available. My life needs a change because of a lot of context in my life I never bargained for or asked for.
Big Time! i appreciate you brother. 😂😂😂 i thought that mix was going to make it to the other end😂.
I much appreciate your positive thoughts with regards to this failed water-prime! 😂😂😂
We gotta get you on a livestream coming up here 😁😁😁
You need to see the coarse sand I used to have to deal with. It was almost pea rock... 5mm sand
I hoping it would but I knew u we’re going to plug just exactly what u already knew… I know u will get it next time without a doubt…..
@@ThePorkchop81 gross!!!! It really seems to be the sand which dictates how well the material does/doesn’t pump rather than the actual aggregate.
Every time I’ve tried it even with 4” system that’s usually the outcome even trying to pre wet hoses bf I put them together! Another great video Scott !
Misery loves company, in this case especially 😂
concrete pumping theory is about trying different methods with the material you have to work with.....great job👍
Completely agree! It’s always fun to self-educate every once in a while,when the job site/scenario permits. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
As a finisher going through apprenticeship program and learning about the different mixed designs for California and across this country in the United States here in particular Scott they there's different Portland cement I don't know what kind of cement if you guys use any up there in your mix mixes for whatever you guys are pumping or pouring. That's what holds everything together is the cement that's the glue and everybody's plant they would learn that
So our cement up here comes from primarily 2-3 major suppliers. We had one ready mix provider run out of their own powder seeing the shortage so they were for a short time using powder from a competing supplier. The stuff was WILD in that it reacted almost completely differently with their plasticizer chemical in comparison to their usual powder. It would come down the mixer chute and 8” slump (placing-boom job) and exit the discharge hose at a 3.5”.
You used to much water when you did it. 100ft out only needs about half a bucket of water and I always just dump it straight in the hose and let her eat and it primes great every time. I’ve noticed when you add to much water that’s when you tend to gravel pack due to the water washing all the grout out
Go back and watch your own video of saber concrete pumping. That boom pump is cycling and he sprays the mud as it goes into the pump.
1) spray water on the concrete as it comes down the chute.
2) start the pump as soon as concrete hits the chute.
Do NOT fill your whole hopper. Drink a Tim Hortons hang out with the crew for 1/2 a hour while the stuff in the hopper is segregating. Then try to start. I pump that same grainy mix in AZ. With a s-tube We have a 1/2” rock mix / 12.7mm that’s very popular with back yard patio stuff. Water prime if it’s 150ft or less. Give it 1 more try but copy exactly how saber pumping did it.
Love the advice brother! Definitely going to give it another whirl! 💪💪💪
😂😂 you nailed it. Just do as they did
Hey man, try filling the hopper a bit over half the cylinders and then pump forward. Fill hopper with concrete and wait a bit for mixers to mix the dry concrete with water. I wait like 15 seconds and then start pumping forward with some decent pressure. I’ve primed until now from 2” hose to 52m boom all mixes.
I’m from Australia and I use washed sand probably about 3-4 shovels and mix it with just one shovel of cement powder then when comes time to pour mix with water a little bit above the sand and cement mixture and that will give you a nice slurry mixture and the prime the line with water first probably about a bucket full then put the slurry mixture through works a treat and I ushaly will hop on the back of the truck and look into the bowel to make sure the slump is correct before going through the pump helps with blockages a lot I try to minimise the amount of concrete going into the hopper that isn’t the desired slump
Stick with what works! Bentonite every time!!
It rarely lets me down. I mostly just enjoy playing around with different techniques for the sale of self-educating when time/circumstances permit (this job was the perfect scenario for a little experimentation).
I enjoy your content. As I was watching it as soon as the concrete hit your hopper I was shouting “ pump it! There!! Pump!…. Oh No…. “
If you do the exact same thing as this video but when the concrete hits your hopper asap start pumping at more than half open throttle… I will bet anybody that u won’t get plug like you did here. …
But I can be wrong. I don’t know shit… I m not a pumper…. I just fix this rigs better known as concrete pumps over in the side of town where the sun shines like there is no tomorrow. Souther California.
I’m 100% going to try exactly your suggested method and make a
RUclips short of it. Wish me luck!!! 😁
I will enjoy it. My pleasure to be ur audience
For years I just used dirt water and a little dish soap untill it was like a chocolate milkshake and sent it packin works great but now I use bentonite like a real pro 😉
I use bentonite to prime my Tk70 w/ 2.5in hose as well and it works like a champ.
From what I’ve seen, when people water prime, you have to have the pump on as mixer pours into the hopper. You can’t let the material sit there with the water or it’ll separate faster.
Good for you for giving it a shot for the people! Great channel
Few people have mentioned exactly as you suggest. Definitely going to give it a try! Bentonite is also our go-to and rarely fails us. This was just more of a fun, experimental thing. 😁
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 You’re a good man, taking on an eventful pour for the greater good of science! 😎 Always appreciate your content!
First mistake was listening to “the people” lol
When I first started line pumping you could get away with priming 100ft of hose with water, but that’s about it. Nowadays, with the heavy usage of chemicals to make up for the strength in concrete it’s pretty well impossible to prime hoses with water. Mix designs are not nearly as creamy as they were 10 years ago.
Now, if I have to prime with water I do it one hose at a time. If I have more than 3 hoses I’m using cement powder
Agreed, our mixes ain’t what they used to be. From what I’ve seen, the guys water priming have either a ball-valve machine, and/or a really creamy/fatty mix. I believe that the heavy amount of sand in our mixes is not conducive to water-priming.
Here in Aus we use sand (fatty loam) mixed with water. Works great every single time through line pumps and z-folded booms
I’ve heard that from a few guys now. What’s the name of the sand type which you’re using? Need to source some of that same stuff from around here.
Brickys sand works every time 👌 almost
I think it would have worked better if the mix was wetter in the beginning, it looked far to stiff for that small diameter hose
One thing I take from your videos is safety and know how but most importantly it’s the care factor.
Pumping ain’t easy but giving a fuck seems hard.
Send it mate 😎👊🏻
🇮🇪 🇦🇺
Appreciate that my man. Always try to incorporate some element of safety into my vids. So many little things in terms of safety often get overlooked in our industry and then when it’s too late, lead to much bigger things.
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 your Right my fellow mud slut,do the same thing but on repeat follow what you know and works but Always watch listen.
At times your girl will tell you all you need to know when sending it so eyes and ears open.
My rule is safety first and the hoseman and in turn doing that you’ll provide a good clean job and happy customer.
Look after your war horse and it will look after you and when the shit hits the fan,work fast hard and safe.
Send it !!
Best way to do it is hook all hoses up and fill the hopper until it’s at the top of the mud barrels then get 2 strokes then dump the concrete in
Few guys have mentioned that same technique. Definitely going to give it a go the next time I try this! 👌👌👌
The company i used to work for would fill their hopper up about half to three quarters of water and as soon as the concrete started coming out of truck they would go wide open and prime out. But it was an older ball valve.
Seems to be a common trend with guys suggesting faster prime versus a slower one when using just water. I most definitely was going too slow here in this video.
Think it's because you don't want the concrete catching up with the water because it causes separation just like using slickpack on pipelines over 30m it causes blockages @@canadianconcretepumper1979
Nice try dude! All you needed was more water! I'm the 300ft foot water prime guy hahaha. I fill my pea gravel pump up all the way up to the top of the ball and seats.....so for yours I believe that's the bottom of the s cam? Mind you about a full wheel barrel of water blasts out but the crew will spread it out or spray it in a empty wheel barrel. Nice video, cheers. Larry's Concrete Pumping Inc, Corona CA
We run TA pumps (Small handmade pump builder here in socal) My pump holds the water until the mud fills the hopper and that is the most important thing, not sure if yours holds water while pumping....you can also rise the reducer off the pump till you get mud in the hopper and then kick it down.
lol!!! YOU’RE THE GUY!!! 😂😁😂
Enough people have commented/suggested the same as you, I’ve gotta take the advice and give it another whirl!!!
That being said, I ain’t holding my breath. 😂😂😂
Almost forgot.
I try to get the first stone accumulation out of the pump before I attempt to drive alot of hoses straight out of the pump or at the end of the mast. Usually makes my life little bit easier👍
Yeah 1 hose at a time for water priming 2". I do that most days. Or use cement mixed like the olden days. 🤣
So it’s not just me failing with this full-pull water-prime method then? 😂
Do you ever use bentonite for priming? Works great and costs pennies per prime. Just can’t ever let it work its way into the slab, that’s all.
I think it's diffently the mix and the highdrolic ball valves seem to be better at getting it through with just water I always used water and a slurry mix
En canarias a la tolva le ponemos arena de África humeda para q nos se nos pegue el hormigón y nos sirve para cuando sacamos la lechada si el hormigon viene con mucha grava se mezcle con agua y qede mas pastoso.
I don't know if a product called sa is available in Canada. It is a fat fluid used as an accelerate in the concrete.
Useful with lower temperatures and quicker drying with higher temperatures.
A nightmare in the hopper, off course, with higher temperatures and slow jobs.
But there is one useful feature of this product for us pumper guys and girls.
To get the concrete from the pump to the end hose of hoses.
I ran a specialised concrete designed for hoses, no rocks in the mix, but can be a nightmare, usually we're wet mix, with water and a couple of Liters with the acceleration fluid in 46m of pump and 85 meters of hose in one go.
With a reduced amount of rocks I usually get almost to the end. Clogging up a dried plug while the concrete is travelling in the hose.
Usually, at the last or 2 last hoses.
In my experience, water in hoses works only with smaller lengths like 15-20 meters.
Only waterpriming hoses never work as Easy as priming out a mast.
If it is to succeed in one go, the requirement for the concrete to work this way is so high. it's more down to luck than competence.
Awesome advice. I need to look into that “SA” product which you mention. Going to check with a few of my ready mix buddies to see if they can help me source it.
@canadianconcretepumper1979 is an acceleration product placed in the truck at the construction site. I do believe it should be available in Canada, too. It has many characteristics as diesel
Exactly how my one and only attempt went! I’ll stick to super primer’s liquid primer because it works every single time. Two Thumbs up to those who can do it and make it work every single time !! It’s just not for me lol. 😂
Scott 👊🏻👍🏻
FluidStone's UPJ for the line prime up win!😉😂Not that i'm biased.😂
And that's coming from a finisher that's been working with concrete pump operators all my life doing concrete work so I can say that and oh by the way Scott are those finishers that were that
I prime my boom and line with cement poured into grouting pot on back end
I prime 150-200 feet with straight water, anything more I break it off or use prime a pack
I think its a mix and hose size thing. bentonite is a fail proof way.
100% agree! I think even stepping up to 2.5” hose would yield much better results with the water-prime. Either way, as you mentioned, bentonite for the win!
Pero cuando empezaste se veia venir q se te iba a trancar el hormigón estaba muy duro
It was too dry....that's why it clugged up....on a slump test I like it to be 10".....when we do grouting on 2"in hose the wetter the better....
I fill water half way up the cylinders and prime out at a 6 with 2 inch line. Even with 200’
But that’s a schwing 500😁
down in socal we water prime olin ball valve pumps but everything else bentonite.
Any tips/tricks for a successful water-prime?
@@canadianconcretepumper1979definitely don’t let water run away, like you said. i use a stake or something to hold the reducer/elbow up. also from what i’ve been taught, when priming, have volume decently high. probably 60 70 %. that’s about all i got though 😂 i’m only 17 and still have a lot to learn.
Wich i can work for you guys
Rocks and water dont mix. Curious what was the mix design, how much rock, pea and cement. Peagravel pump with water no sweat. Rocks, no water....
Mix designs in our region they are fairly secretive about and generally do not divulge the specific proportions (with one exception being exposed aggregate mix in which we can select the amount of stone we would want).
When the next live stream
Thinking another week or two here. Once per month is kinda the target pace I believe.
Our sp 1000 schwing dosent know what primer is. Lol
A common Schwing sentiment. Legend has it, they can actually prime-out using cinder blocks. 😂😂😂
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 got to let her chew it first. But she'll get that mud to the other end for sure lol
I know the issue!! It’s not a schwing..
I actually a little disappointed that it took as long as it did for this response to surface. 😁
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 I’m glad I could help Scott!
Whoever that was that said that to you Scott obviously is never been outside of California or wherever they're from here in the United States and pumped concrete in in different countries and all that to even understand what they're even talking about or they don't know anything about understand the mixes they pump obviously otherwise they wouldn't be telling you that
It does seem to work for some guys (I’ve been sent videos) but their mixes seem to be much “creamier” than ours, if that makes any sense.
By the way. I'm looking for a change in my life.
If you need me, I'm very soon available.
My life needs a change because of a lot of context in my life I never bargained for or asked for.
Probably cause you guy use bigger rock and the sand
Who the fuck only uses 5 gallons
This guy!!!! 😂
This is guaranteed to be a shit show
I wish I could say you were wrong... 🤣🤣🤣
I have used even pink insulation rolled up then cover with polythene
@@charleshicks4474 some of the techniques for priming as well as
cleaning out the lines are just wild! A real witches brew, lol! Love it 💪💪💪