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Only Kyle would make a tire video in the middle of the night.
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Also, the only one makes a rather normally dull tyre video, a very enjoyable sort of a documentary 😊
@@7arkhwf thanks for watching! Glad we were able to make the boring enjoyable.
That kid is an absolute PRO, rockstar hands down. Blessings!
I’ll let him know you say so. Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much Kyle! ❤
You're so welcome!
Always giving us the low down on tire tech. Thanks for all the work.
You bet, my pleaseure. Thanks for watching.
love the overview, thank you, cheers V!
Th as his for watching!
Great video Kyle! I like the updated Trailmax Missions for sure! Have a great Labor day weekend.
A full week on them now and they feel GREAT. We will see about wear though.
very informative Kyle, thanks. best tyre reviewer.
Wow, thanks! I appreciate you.
Best photography I've ever seen absolute clear as possible could see every dread perfect
Ha! Ha! Good kid ;)
Love the tire reviews and knowledge about tire construction, longevity, and proper uses for ADV tires. Thanks for all the work and effort you put into bringing this knowledge out to riders everywhere.
My pleasure! I am working on my 2024 version with the new tires that have been released since this video was created. The Karoo 4, K60 Ranger, Tusk 2 Track, Mitas Enduro Trail XT+ ... so many good offerings.
Thanks again for doing this! I had some questions and you helped me make my mind up. Well done to the ever learning camera crew.
What were the specific questions you had answered?
@@manybikes Mainly as tyres relate between one another. Especially the Dunlops, Mission and Raid (the mutants have dropped off my list a while back)... I am not a hardcore off-roader, but when touring I do find myself on some rough surfaces sometimes. I found the tyres that came original from the factory, on my CB500X 2019, perfectly exceptable for my style of riding. I only felt the rear give one time, on the road, in the two years I have ridden them, and that was a surface contamination issue in a turn. But they do suffer on gravel, graded surfaces etc. I have about a half an inch of chicken strip on the sides, I am not aggressive. Their thread is wearing out in some spots but I believe the Missions will be a huge upgrade. Longevity was also a big factor since sometimes I cover long distances at a time, across Italy on the Highway in order to get to Europe, from the south of Sicily and past the Alps.
Great tire info... Love the side-by-side comparison of the tires. It's nice to see them all in the same frame. The differences in tread patterns are a lot less obvious when you are looking at a picture of each tire individually... Additionally, I think the camera guy deserves a raise.
Thanks for watching! Yes, side by side the differences shine through. I’ll treat Barron to a milkshake for his great work ;)
Love the content Kyle, thank you for the vid. Looking forward to replacing the OEM tyres on my 1250GS with the Trailmax mission due largely to the work you do testing and reviewing everything. Nice work by the videographer too 👍
Barron is a hoot! I’ve got hundreds of GS followers riding the TrailMax Missions. They last forever and just work! Thanks for your support.
Thanks for making this videos. I have bought tires of your recommendations. Something the guy behind the counter doesn’t always point you in the right direction. Thanks again 😊
Glad to help! Thank you for your help.
Great info Kyle - based on your advice, im going to go with the Motoz Tractionator Adventure for a good mixture of off road (mainly fire trail, not too technical) and road on my 250kg ADV bike.
Appreciate your knowledge, Kudos!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Kyle for another awesome review. Having a look at the Dunlop Raid, looks like it will have more difficulties in Mud and gettibg out of ruts, due to the smaller voids in the middle and the edge of the tyres is very low profile and rounded...very good for road cornering, but crap for off road when you need that side bite to get you out of the rut.
We will see!
Thank you for the review …
Currently with the Anakee wild on my 790 R , love them , sure like to try the Raid, probably my next…
It's a great tire thus far!
Great vid
Thanks for watching!
Great share there Kyle! I can afford all these tyres but heck a set every year or so sounds bout right🤣
Like blue diamond Almonds... instead of "A can a week, thats all we ask" its more like A.Set a Year is All we Ask for you ;)
Kyle, looking forward to your Raid tires review. As Raids are the softest of these should be the sportiest - best/stickiest for the twisties - correct assumption? For me it will be AX41 or this new Trailmax Raid when I want some more street oriented setup to ride hard without sacrificing off road performance too much. I am usually on Motoz Rallz rear and Pirelli MT21 Rallycross front (I dont like Motoz front tire on tarmac) very good combination but not as good to put knee down which is possible with AX41 - but with AX41 it is not confident inspiring so Trailmax Raid might be knobby "sporttires" hopefully . Thank you for video.
You're always the best source for ADV tire reviews!
I had a chance to chat with you at Get on ADV fest Black hills 2022 about the K60 Rangers you were testing at the time. I bought a set of Motoz Adventure/Dual venture tires based on your reviews. They performed great in the dirt and cornered surprisingly well on the street. My only issue, was that on my 1250 GSA, they had a terrible weave at highway speeds. The weave was less noticeable after a few thousand miles. I just ran a set of MItas E07+ (Dakar on the rear) tires 7000 miles from Utah to Alaska and back. On my GSA they are hands down the best handling ADV tires on the street that I've tired. The rear was completely gone after 7000 miles but the front has a lot of life left in it. I feel like the Motoz Adventure will last as long as the E07+ on the rear without giving up anything on the street, but work better off-road. I think my new go-to setup will be a Motoz Adventure rear and an E07+ front tire.
Anyway, thanks for all of the good work.
Awesome! Yes, it was great chatting with you in SD. I am a fan of mixing tire brands. The Mitas front and Motoz rear sounds like a wining combo. Thanks for your support. I sell both brands now... so when you are ready, please reach out.
You know your tires . i watch you and other and i got the pirelly rally str . i love them i ride hard mostly on bad roads
Awesome! Thanks for watching.
@kyle - I think I remember you saying on a video that the Motoz Tractionator Adventure front had been redesigned for better stability (something was flipped around in the design?). Anyway - coming due for new tires on my R1250GS and liking the Motoz. Thanks for all the info you have out there!
It is my understanding that both the Motoz Adventure front and Motoz RallZ front were discontinued and the Motoz Dual Venture front was the replacement for those tires. Having a symmetric, non-directional allows flipping the tire around for longer wear.
Thanks for watching! The Adventure front has been discontinued and replaced by the Dual Venture. The RallZ fronts are still out there... they are great on dirt but not so great on-road.
Dunlop website says the Trailmax Mission is a 60/40. Street / offroad & trail harder surfaces (not for deeper mud & deeper sand).
Excellent camera person.
Yes Sir! Now they are saying this. For years it was a 50/50 tire in all of the literature.
Thanks for giving us the real deal on these tires!
You bet! Thanks for watching.
Great work I just got the rear Mission mounted on my 1290 SAS hope it will give me great mileage. Only getting 6000-7000km out of a rear is not good enough for me (Michelin Anakee 3 & Avon Trailrider)
Only about 4 weeks left of the season here so need to get some miles before parking for winter.....
Greetings from northern Sweden!
Hello family! My moms side of the family in Sweden is Moberg & Engstrom … you should get 10k+ miles from the Mission on your SAS unless you ride it in Sport mode MTC off… that’s my problem!!! Thanks for watching!
@@manybikes 👍😎sounds great
With two long distance trips planned I installed a Dunlop Trailmax Mission in the front of my 790 AdventureR. That heavy tire really helped the front of the bike stabilize. I see folks adding aftermarket steering stabilizers for a reason, however, with the TMM the front is very stable at high speed. - Frank
Very interesting results!
Don't think it is stable because of being heavy. Most likely because it is a more road oriented tyre and behaves better at high speeds. People which have stability issues on the KTM probably are using the stock Karoo 3 or more knobbie tyres which tend to be more unstable at high speeds.
@@AlessandroPrescendi I do think a lot of the instability is tire related. Tires play a large role. Thanks for watching!
@@manybikes totally agree¡
Also tyre pressure and good balancing of the wheel is important.
When I was running the Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR, having the front tyre at 2.5bar made it kind of unstable at high speeds +160km/h, just dropping 0.2bars the front to have it at 2.3bars made the trick, stability recovered for high speeds. Specially radial tyres, are very sensitive to tyre pressure.
Same with the suspension setup, increasing a bit the preload can bring some weight o the front end, and increase stability.
@@AlessandroPrescendi yes, tire pressure is important as is the way the bike is loaded. None of them handle really well crazy laiden down!
I’m running the Missions on my Ktm 690 and they’ve been fantastic. I rarely get off-road anymore so it’s more of a city bike for me. The missions fit my riding better than the knobby tires these days and the extra mileage I’ll get out of them is welcomed
That's fantastic to hear. Thanks for sharing.
Great review Kyle!...and Jr.! Would like your impressions about the CONTINENTAL TKC70 Rocks, and also if combined with the TKC80 front. Thank you!, and happy weekend
I do have a full review on the TKC70 Rocks and the TKC80 Front. I Have run three sets now... Here is my recap: ruclips.net/user/shortsfcvhMfPV5xk
@@manybikes Thank you Kyle!, and what do you rhink for a 50/50 pourpose is the best tire between the TKC70 Rocks, MOTOZ Tractionator S. Adv. & the DUNLOP Trail Mission ?. Now I have de Tractionator S. Adv. installed in the front (2018 KTM 1290 SAR) and they are pretty loud, maybe de Dualventure is quieter?
I put the Dual Venture tractionator on my Enduro front spins very smooth but still has huge Nobbies
For sure!
I have the AX41 front, and a rapidly depleting TKC 80 rear. I am wondering what to rear to put on next. I am thinking a Motoz RallZ or the Motoz Tractionator Adventure.
I really REALLY liked the AX41 rear on loose rocks, but when I hit a nail in El Paso, the AX41 rear just came apart. (idk if any tire would have been better, but I feel a Motoz tire would have held up better)
The AX41 is a favorite of mine, but it’s lightweight. The Rallz is my go-to for longevity and performance. I can provide those to you when ready. www.manybikes.biz
Interesting data about the for the TMM front VS. Rear. I find the front TMM to be amazing, even on cold wet pavement. While I had a few times where the rear would slide out in similar conditions. - Frank
I find the TMM rear tire to be the worst wet weather tire I’ve ever ridden on. No grip at all. I also don’t like the profile of the tire for on road riding. Dirt it’s fine. Will not buy them again though. I do too many road miles and it’s not a confidence inspiring tire, especially in the rain. My GSA traction control works overtime in the rain with those tires.
The front tire never let me down but the back was pretty squirrily under the power of the 1190! The durometer difference F&R between the Raid and the Mission is very surprising. So far the Raid is SUPER SMOOTH but the front tire is loud.
I has the same feelings on my 1190. I run it without TC but the back end was always busting loose!
@@martyllanos73 Hello Marty, there does appear to be a large number of folks who are having issues with the rear. It's fine on my 390 Adventure, but in the 5K+ miles I had them on my VStrom 1000, I could not trust the rear. - Frank
Many thanks Kyle, fantastic review! I am having the mitas e07 on my tiger 800xcx 2019. The rear is great (except for wet tarmac) but look for a replacement of the front, TMM or Raid. What would you recommend as best compromise on and offroad..Many thanks!
Raid for sure…
I think next time i will be going a bit more mountain here in b.c. . ill try the dunlop on the left
It's a great tire.
Have run all of these except the Trailmax Raid yet (thanks to Kyle's feedback).
The Trailmax Missions were surprisingly good off road, in dry conditions, far better than they had any right to be, were great on pavement, and real high wearing. In muddy conditions, they were awful - downright dangerous, front end grip was like a light switch, went down hard a couple times with little to no warning.
The AX41s were a great off road tire... for up 1,000 miles on the rear, however pavement performance was awesome, great feedback and high grip, overall life was 2k miles on the back and 4k on the front.
Have got 700 miles on the Motoz ADV/Dual Venture Front. Great front end grip, progressive in a slide, doesn't quite put down power as well as I had hoped in hard packed gravel, but best grip in mud out of the three. On road, they are okay, finding them less confidence inspiring on twisty pavement then the other two tires.
Looking forward to trying out the Trailmax Raid next
Thank you! ❤
Thank you for your feedback. My first week on the Raid tires have been great. The front is a little noiser than others but it rolls super super smooth.
@@manybikes thanks for all the tire vids. It's all been really helpful in making decisions. As a viewer/consumer, the only critique I have for you is please don't be afraid to be critical of a tire's weaknesses
@@exparrot9074 I tell it how it is… Mitas isn’t too happy with my E07 comments… and Motoz doesn’t like when I say their front tires SUCK on rain groves. ;) I hear you sir… that is what makes me a little different.
I have MOTOZ RALLZ & MOTOZ Dual Venture on my ktm 890. Used them to do the COBDR a few weeks ago. Boy! They were stellar out there! Never felt a lack of bite in the loose rock, babyheads, sand, or wet rock; they just worked & tractored - Even though the rubber is "softer" than the MOTOZ Adventure that you showcase in the video, they did not chunk or get chewed up on the BDR! 👍
However, the RALLZ is the loudest humming tire on tarmac!!! I mean LOUD!!👎👎
Because i do not trailer a lot, rather i ride to destinations offroad, it is unlikely that i would repurchase the RALLZ due to the noise!
This is very interesting! My RallZ are quiet on the highway... Unless they are at low pressures. The Desert HT is like 10x louder!!! Wow! Careful with the lack of traction when you jump back to the Adventure. I did not notice it much going from ADV to RallZ... but from the RallZ to the Adv... that 15% loss in traction was noticeable.
@@manybikes thank you for the input/response. I will try the MOTOZ GPS having watched my riding partner run them in the 50/50 orientation on the BDR and other offroad courses. Those tires never let him down!
Comparing potential longevity on the Raid and the AX41 - could the wider gap between blocks mean less surface rubber to carry the friction/weight and hence quicker wear?🤔 It`ll be interesting to see how the Raid performs and lasts 😊(....if only Motoz tyres were easier to get hold off over here...)
Love me some Motoz! The AX41 and the Raid are very similar in tread pattern but very different in construction and I was blown away by the tread compound durometer differences. HUGE... We shall see!
Thanks for the great info. What about tire weight? How do the weights of these tires compare? I'm looking at replacing stock KLR 650 tires and don't want heavy tires that might rob some power.
The Motoz and Bridgestone in your size are the lightest and the mission is 1/3rd heavier! I have a RallZ / Dual Venture I can sell you $25 Off and Free shipping.
Well, I'm about ready to drain my bank account and have a garage filled with ADV bike tires, thanks to Kyle's entertaining and informative tire videos. I was just wondering if you think the motoz tractionator Adventure along with the duelventure front is the most or close to the most puncture resistant ADV tire combinations.
Yes Sir! There are some with stiffer sidewalls, but not as aggressive tread and others with more aggressive tread but soft sidewalls. The Adv / DV combo is great!
Karoo 4 !!!!
I did really like the Karoo 4! Didn’t have one “on-hand” for this spontaneously recorded video.
Kyle
In your opinion will the TMR ride a little softer as compared to TMM
On little road joints, road roughness that is suttle, not big holes.
I find the TMM wears on a not young back as mileage accumulates in a day because of the very stiff carcass.
Longevity is Very good though.
100%! It’s way lighter and has way softer sidewalls which makes for a super smooth ride. I like it!
Any thought's on Mezeler Karoo Extreme? Have it right now on the rear on my 1290 SAR. Like it a lot but it seems to wear out fast... but what doesn't on the 1290😁
I have the same problem on my 1190 ... it EATS tires! The Karoo 4 was great. Have not ridden the Karoo Extreme.
Hey hey can you say which is heavier between the AX41 and the Raids?
The AX41 is a tad heavier. I'll have to pull my numbers
When I first saw Mota's I knew nothing about them other than I saw that they utilize four Plies on the sidewall
Love me some Motoz!
Rabaconda for the win!
Woohooo! Good luck!
Thanks for answering all my questions in the video! You got me spilt on the missions and the raid front end now 👍🤣. I need to go find your mission video.
Edit: yup you sold me on the raids.
The Raid is a total performance tire where the Mission is for longevity.
@@manybikes I'm definitely happy to trade longevity for traction for the front wheel.
@@houjous5131 a sketchy front tire is never a good situation!!!
@@manybikes snow is more fun when you have grip 🤣. Winter will be fun!
Here is snow on the AX41:
ruclips.net/video/zB-DZqV6MXE/видео.html
and here is snow on the TrailMax Mission:
ruclips.net/video/XI6kLdv8OWk/видео.html
And here is the Motoz Rallz
ruclips.net/video/01Jx4bpEbMs/видео.html
and here is the Kenda Big Block...
ruclips.net/video/72a0I6BRuyQ/видео.html
Thanks for this. You don’t seem to be a big Pirelli fan, am I right? Very much looking forward to the Raid testing, especially curious about its wet asphalt (well advertised) capabilities.
Great in wet asphalt, better than the TKc70s ime
I actually love Pirelli but they really don’t have a tire in this specific segmented. Rally STR is much more street oriented and the real Rally is a full knobby not made in this size anymore. I do love the brand though and would love for them to produce a tire in the 60 Dirt 40 street category.
I see. I actually thought the (non-STR) Rally would qualify as a 50/50 or 60/40 and had it in my top 3 choices to replace the STR that come with the T7. I do mostly road (and find the STR amazing for the job) but need something better for the occasional dirt, while compromising wet road as little as possible (no hill climbing scares me as much as wet asphalt). I’m also very much interested in the new Trailmax Raid (and the good old (non-Dakar) Mitas 07+). Anyway, they seem to provide the Rally in 90/90 21 and 150/70 18. Am I wrong? Many many thanks for any advise or insight / Dave
I have a Honda Africa Twin with tube type rims it came with karoo streets
front is 90 90 r21 rear is 150 70B r18 motoz says i need to put tubeless tires on the AT because of its size the dual venture comes in the above size 90 90 r21 tube and tubeless but the rear rallz and Adventure in the above size 150 70B r18 only come in tubeless. Can I put tubeless tires on tube type rims and how will that effect the tires ive read it lowers the speed rating by 1 level. That would lower the speed rating from Q to a P.
So... I am running tubes in my Tubeless RallZ / Dual Venture on my 1190 at the moment... I have ridden it up to 150 mph... zero issues. I ride 120 mph often. I personally would not worry about it.
The kid is the Man
Totally agree, he’s pretty rad!
Im surprised anakee wild didn't make the list
I didn't haver it here
I wonder if you could design your own perfect tyre, what would it look like?
It would be a combination of several for sure!
@Rabaconda for the Win
Thanks for your support... You have been entered.
I don't think the durometer (sp?) readings mean much. IIRC in one your review years ago the Karoo 3 rear had a high reading, yet is one of the fastest wearing tyres out there.
Wear is one thing, there are lots of factors that contribute to that. What it does help tell is stickiness of the rubber. How easily the surface conforms around the gravel and objects the tire surface is rolling over. Rubber composition, tire pressure, load temperature and road surface are the biggest wear factor contributors.
Hi Kyle
Im running a Motoz dual venture front adventure rear on both my Dr650 and Tiger 900 RP. The DR is fine no issues great tyres.
On my Tiger however, I get front end bounce @ 50-70 km/h with the DV, which im told can happen on heaier bikes. Have you come across this? Ive tried tuning it out with pressures and suspension tuning with no effect.
Hey there! Thanks for reaching out. Most often, bounce is caused by a balance issue. I’d remove the wheel and check balance. If it’s off by a lot, I’d de-bead the tire and spin it 1/4 … then check balance again. Do this until it’s close and finish with wheel weights. Most cases, thus eliminates the bounce. Please follow up with your results. The tires should run smooth as glass… with no Hop whatsoever
@@manybikes Hey mate Thanks for the reply. I forgot to mention that. I had them fitted & balanced at the stealer. Then I took it to a tyre specialist and he rebalanced it with wheel weight on spokes. But no luck. I havent tried reseating the tyre on rim and retry at a 1/4 tyre turn. So Ill give that a go.
Cheers
@@adrianedwards3091 good luck! Tires shouldn’t bounce.
Any Tire i had where there's no Center tread,, and it's cut out has a center-cut,, wobble side to side
Very interesting.
I like that mission tire from Dunlop it looks Super Bee beefy I care about the four Plies on the motoz
The Mission is beefy and heavy but it is missing "blocks" for good mud action.
Hi Kyle! I have a crf1100. I have tubes and I'm struggling to find tyres that are designed to take tubes! I understand in a tubeless you can put a tube, but the inside of the tyre rubbing on the tube creates heat, and therefore more prone to a puncture! As they aren't made for tubes, they will also lose psi, maybe 2psi a week! I wonder if you can do a tyre review, tube specific!
Thanks for the comment / request. 10 years ago I would have agreed with you. But today most of the modern Adv tires are tube type tires that havre modernized tubeless type beads air tight carcasses made for tubes or no tubes. The Motoz, Anakee, Karoo, and Mitas tires are specially made for both applications. Robust enough for a 600 lb. machine able to accommodate both tube type and tubeless rims. Now… OLDER tubeless tires… I wouldn’t use a tube in… I’ll do some more discussion with the manufacturers individually and see what each of their thoughts are respectively. Stay tuned!!!
@@manybikes cool! I looked for mitas 07+. For the front it states TL/TT but for the rear it's just TL! Their web page states tubes can be used, but the speed rating drops! Tkc70 and the rear rocks, same, TL can take tube, but it's not TT on the tyre! I wonder if some bad reviews are due to using tubes in a TL specific tyre, with manufacturers saying oh yeh u can put a tube in! You can, but no info as to a speed rating, or psi drop for off road and rim pinch! I googled what is the difference....TT have a special process for the inner carcass to eliminate heat/wear on the inner tube. The tube is seen as part of the tyre. TL the inner tube is a foreign object, more prone to puncture. Tyre must be embossed TT and TL or just TT. I'm glad you are intrigued by my request! Any help will be very much appreciated!! I look forward to a vid on it!! 😎😁
I will look further into it...
Do you know if they changed compound on the Motoz adventure or dualventure? I am running that combo on my T7. Normally the rear wears down before the front but this time the front was worn out when the rear still had about half the thread left and yes I did rotate the front. (this is my 3'rd set)
Hummm No compound change that I’m aware of! I’ll inquire though…
awesome. Thanks a lot
Hi Kyle, love your video's. I am getting another DR 650 this week and interested in the Motoz tires. Can I go one size larger than the stock tires it comes with and do you recommend it. I will ride mostly street and thing about the Adventure rear with the Rallz front or just the GPS tires. I am 75 and need to be careful where I go bye myself. How hard are these tires to change in the bush with just tire lever's etc? Also any tube recommendations?
Yes Sir! Thanks for reaching out. Do you have the 17 or 18” rear wheel? If the 17”, the 130/80-17 is a perfect option. The Adventure rear would be great and I’d pair it with the Dual Venture front. Call me to discuss: 209-596-2260
What about size for the front? Standard size or one size up.@@manybikes
@@rossbrown9156 90/90-21 is the perfect size. There isn’t a “size up” for the front.
@@rossbrown9156 Please check them out on my site: manybikes.company.site/products/MOTOZ-TRACTIONATOR-Adventure-p581683387
How is the Mission heavy, hard and still handle so well?
There are tradeoffs with any tire... The Mission is not the best in cold / wet. It is slow to spin up on low HP vehicles but overall, it is an amazing tire that has become the Go-To for many.
Hey Kyle. In your opinion, which one is the best in sand? Thank you.
Motoz RallZ hands down is the best in sand. No questions on that one... the tread depth and voids play a big role here!
There's nothing to worry about where one out and try a different one they're all awesome GPS rules DVD Adventure rules Haida Niles nice to
The GPS with the Dual Venture front!
I need a tire recommendation. I'm sort of thinking between the Raid and the AX41. I do ride a more street and like twisties enough but when I go offroad I want them to perform. There isn't much sand or large rocks here. It's mostly harder (sometimes slick) clay, roots, some loam and gravel roads (ie, central midwest). Still using the stock TKC 70s. What would you recommend? And what size rear for the KTM 390 ADV? Thanks!
I totally recommend the Raid tires front and rear fro what you are talking about. I am really liking them on my 390. I did the 110/80-19 in the front and 150/70-17 in the rear. Feels great. You can also do the stock rear size 130/80-17z
@@manybikes I know this is a late reply and I hope you can gie me an answer. So I got the Raids in finally (went with the 150 rear), and I guess the stock spoked wheels on the 390 aren't tubeless but the stock tkc70s tires are? Is this a problem putting these tubeless Dunlops with a tube in them? Maybe stupid question but I come from MX and haven't ever messed with tubeless tires. Thanks!
@@ShannonFrailey Yes Sir! And tubeless tire can accept a tube but tube type tires can't go Tubeless.
@@manybikes awesome! Thank you so much for the quick reply!
so what tire am i running to south america and back on a vstrom 800de??? any chance anything could last 30'000km(from canada)?
30000km or 18k miles... that is a big ask! I'd begin with the Motoz GPS.
@manybikes
haha yeah! it's probably good for half pluss some local touring(have a gal back in florainopolis i need to get back down to) so I really need to make it 10'000 miles and I can aquire a set of fresh units down there hopefully.
Definitely going to be running some trail max raids this year though localy
No mention of the new Heidenau K60 Ranger...? Seems like it would be a 50/50 contender...
The new Heidenau K 60 ranger is definitely a contender… I just do not have one in front of me in the garage that night to speak about
@@manybikes I know you spent some time with the K60 Ranger Kyle. I would love to hear how it compares. So far I've torn through The Trailmax missions, Motoz adventure/Rallz, Bridgestone AX41, Michelin Anakee Wild, TKC80, Metzeler Tourance, and others on the big adventure bikes (KTM 1190 ADV, Tiger 900, and now Scrambler 1200XE.) My faves so far were the AX41 (though short-lived), Trailmax Mission (until it got into mud). The other tires were super squirrely on the road and not confidence inspiring at all until they got into dirt. Just wondering if the K60 Ranger has decent road manners like the Trailmax missions and AX41? Thanks for all you do Kyle and your helper is awesome!
@@user-pp6hq9jq8g thanks for the details, it helps me with your answer. The Rangers were excellent on the highway. The front liked to step out in loose dirt or gravel … not fun. The rear off road was good. They did wear a little funny and would get squirmy in corners due to the wear. Heidenau K60 Ranger Tire Review | 5k+ Miles in 3 Months
ruclips.net/video/-4fVIfQqwbU/видео.html while it was “not too expensive” and it “worked well” it wouldn’t be my first choice. (Or 2nd or 3rd). Hope this helps!
I absolutely LOVE the Motoz adventure but sick and tired of the noise - do you have an alternative that performs as good but with less noise?
Is the noise coming from the front or the rear? What is your tire pressure?
@@manybikes front I think because now that it is worn out the noise is less.
I'm running 2.5 and 3 bar. I don't think it makes much difference running lower or Yamaha recommended air pressure
Hi
Do we need to heat cycle ADV tyres. Especially the Dunlop Trailmax missions.
Well, that is a great question. Are you meaning get them warm before throwing them into a corner? If so, then yes. If you mean warm them up and let them cool down multiple times before they are "ready".... that I have not been schooled on from any of the manufacturers.
Thank you very much.
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My pleasure! But I'm still curious... So which meaning were you looking for?
It is the heat cycle when you first put them on.
There are several instances where the tread came loose from the casing here in RSA, and a lot of speculation on pressure, speed and the so-called heat cycle.
I just replaced my rear after almost 19000km's (mostly tarmac) and put on another one.
Cold weather grip is reasonable, so too gravel.
Happy with the balance, but would like more grip. But as you say more grip > less mileage
The compromises each tire gives us! Heat cycles like you mention are not necessary to "break in" a tire. Scrubbing them in IS important, but heat cycling not so much. Low pressure will KILL a tire though, that is for sure!
I need a good mud, snow and rain tire for a 45 year old motorcycle that I will have to drive year around. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
What bike is it and what tire sizes does it run?
@@manybikes 79 Honda CX 500. Think the back is 18" and front is 19"
@@dwightnix893 Awesome! I had a 1978 CX500 as my first street motorcycle! Black w/ red and a Vetter Fairing. Let me do some looking and I'll get back to you.
Hey Kyle nice work. Are Conti TKC 70s and 80s falling off the map or is it just that others are developing and releasing more new models than Conti? Do they still compare in performance?
The TKC70 is an 80/20 tire and does not really compare in this 50/50= category. A favorite set-up of mine is the TKC70 Rocks rear and the Dunlop TrailMax Mission front. Good times! Looking forward to the new releases from Conti in the future. But no... the TKC80 does not compare to these monsters in my opinion. Just not enough technology.
@@manybikes I need new tires for my GS 1250. I’m probably an 80/20 rider. Does the profile of the 2 different manufacturers match up that well? I was leaning toward the TKC 70 Rocks and TKC 70 front as well. TMM are pretty performer and good value to though. Your son is getting the hang of video pretty well. 😊
@@brianlekei8920 Ha! Ha! Yeah, he loved it! I totally like the Mission Front and Rocks rear. I’m really not a fan of the TKC70 front tire.
If my Raid set lasted 16k kms, then Mission would last like, what.. 25? :D
I’d imagine. It’s so soft compared to the. Mission!
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Of the Raid and the Mission, which is quieter on the pavement?
Mission is quieter by far.
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All of the manufacturers with the exception of MOTOZ need to Make tires with more tread depth. Everyone I know who has a dual sport bike would gladly sacrifice a little extra weight and knob squirm on pavement for deeper tread and a longer-lasting tire. The manufacturers could offer one tire with the shorter tread depth and the same tire with the deeper tread depth. I guarantee the deeper tread depth would sell much better. I stick with motoz because they have the deepest tread by far.
For sure! Others have to comply with European standards and Motoz does not care about that... Thus the limited block height on most other tires.
2022 KLR 75% road 25% dirt roads.. ??
Thanks for watching. It all depends on how much traction / how aggressive you want to get Off-Road.