Hey man, guessing the time you commented this you haven’t watch the show but I wanted to say there are other ghouls in the show and they kinda look like the ones from 4-76
@@Bob-thei was literally about to to comment ab the ghoul in the end. The blackened one yk. Was ab to not care ab spoilers bc it seems no one here cared ab watching the show before making the assumption new ghouls are smooth skinned
"Mutants are best equipped to deal with the world today. Who else? The ghouls? Please. Normals? They brought nuclear death to us all." - the Master, unaware that ghouls are apparently better equipped to deal with the wasteland than even his mutants, being their near nigh invulnerability, lack of needing food or water and wolverine level healing rate. Then again, he did somehow miss several Vaults within his vicinity.
I wouldn’t say the Master had perfect hindsight, but then again, within the same series. Cooper executed a ghoul by putting a gun to his head and blowing his brains out. Then multiple feral ghouls get dropped by bullets in another point, then Cooper gets sprayed with machine gun bullets and is okay for “Reasons” as if I am Watching The Mask where Stanley gets shot and takes a drink only to have the drink leaking out of his bullet holes.
@@gooce9870isn't that exactly what the vault dweller says? "if you're so smart, how come you didn't realize your mutants are sterile?" lmao with that said, The Master of the Supermutants thought the FEV didn't sterilize its victims. But I agree, he not realizing current supermutants can't mate is dumb.
@@deathbyignoranceYT I think there is a difference between the FEV that was in the vats of mariposa, which harold slipped into, and the FEV that was still in west tek when the bombs dropped, causing it to become airborn, but you're right technically most ghouls are probably contaminated with this, technically any mutations would sort of make you a "mutant"
Let us not forget either that in Fallout New Vegas, Ghouls served within the NCR military. There were Ghoul Rangers stationed in one of the Ranger Outposts along the Colorado River. It shows that Ghouls could still thrive and had a place in society.
And a cut Super Mutant Ranger, they must have faced bad treatment but they seemingly get by and find a place. To be fair to the show, that one ghoul at the observatory seems apt to the NCR, at least the remnant led by Moldaver, regardless of her shaky characterization.
@@brandishaccount5439 One thing I do hope for in the future for Fallout is more examples of Humans, Ghouls, and Super Mutants living among one another whether its settlements, raider gangs, or factions. Sure I can still expect racial tensions and even pure hate at times but one can imagine that as time goes on, folks are able to form some sense of understanding and cooperation. Also would like to see something concerning Ghouls becoming a dwindling species. Most Ghouls are over 200 years old. There has to be a end for them and having them be seen as something of a bygone age as humanity grows more and more would be interesting.
Which is why I feel the new drug in West coast makes sense, question, why would the NCR not research feral ghouls to find a cure? Ghoul soldiers are stupidly useful, but them legit rotting away so fast is really REALLY BAD!! So the NCR which is a country, with doctors, scientists, engineers worked to make a cure. Found a treatment and sold that to ghouls, which meant they now had a army of loyal soldiers that are immortal. unlike the east coast which hey brother hood how do you handle ghouls *fucking shoots them* oh....
@@christianvondruska8244 If you want to take everything to be scientifically reasonable then sure, but fallout is proven to not really follow that, going with the original design is most faithful, it's also less lame and boring
@@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638 I'm sorry if I came off as defending the Fallout 4 ghouls, I was not, they made them into people without noses and slightly reddish skin. The original ghouls were quite literally survivors of a nuclear blast, they're not supposed to look appealing. And the fact that they've been so devalued as a whole, they can survive without food and water, never age, can be created through drugs, feralization is now preventable, etc.
@@christianvondruska8244i feel the original ghouls just a way to fucking gross to look at it, but yeah it is acurrate as a person who survived a nuclear blast
The show Ghouls don't really look anything like Fallout 4's ghouls. They actually look a lot like the Ghouls from the Nukabreak series on RUclips. The only one that looks like how you describe is THE Ghoul.
The original concept of ghouls is kinda sad or scary. Rather than the bombs killing someone instantly, the damage slowly kills them over centuries. The closest thing to ghouls in our world was the victims of the atomic bombings in Japan who didn't die immediately. Instead, they spent the last few days of their lives burnt to a crisp, sometimes blind because their eyes were literally burned out of their heads.
I was thinking of that Japanese guy who had a nuclear accident and to this day was one of the most irradiated people in history. His demise was slow and horrible.
They didn't burn, they melted. Down to the atomic level so they're bodys couldn't even try to regenerate or stave off infection or clot or anything. Generally one of the worst things I've ever read about
You know what’s also funny? Your own robot Butler in Fallout 4 literally is shown running on a combustion engine, and yet he hasn’t run out of gas in 200 years!
I don't have a hate boner for Bethesda like some seem to do.. But... It is a problem that Bethesda tends to write Fallout like the apocalypse was a recent event.
There is Mr. Handy fuel that you can collect in Fallout 4 and 76. So I believe his mechanical parts and ai run on the fusion cores power, but the engine needs to be fueled up.
All I am saying is if he shut himself down and locked himself inside a box for the player to unlock and repair him to turn him on again, it would be a more interesting plot.
They're making ghouls sound appealing to be, like living essentially forever, immune to radiation, ferals won't attack you, and with pretty much no scarring besides looking like a burn victim
..you forgot about the fact people would be extremely racist against you? and as well still run the risk of becoming feral if you take too much radiation and to add to that you still DECAY
Let's be real and admit that the only reason Moira Brown becomes a Ghoul is so that you do not miss out on her quest. Meaning that just killing Moira has more consequences than nuking the town.
"The ghoul" is probably the most entertaining character in the show.. imagine how much cooler he would've been if there was a bigger dichotomy between his looks and his charisma
I liked the squire a lot more, the fallout show cowboy ghoul is just a gary sue imho, the squire’s actor with his character does great at showing how ecstatic it would be to get that power up of a armour and how he is still naive and almost autistic with his obsession with power armour and “outside” thing. The ghoul as a character is just… ugh.
I have to just correct one small part of this video, Harold isn't technically a ghoul, his ghoulifacation is the result of the FEV virus not the bombs or an immense and sudden dose of radiation. Thats why Harold looks like he's melting whereas every other ghoul looks like their skin has rotted or dried out and recessed. Thats why Harold in fallout 3 turns into a tree because of a plant in his head, which forms a symbiotic relationship with him
I looked it up and you’re absolutely right. Thanks for pointing that out. Also noticed I said he headed south to GECKO but actually it should’ve been north. Poor Harold. Luckily I don’t think either of those are large enough issues to warrant taking the video down to tweak it; but I really appreciate the constructive feedback man. Edit: when you hover your cursor over him in Fallout 2 the pip reads “a very leathery looking ghoul” which I think is where that came from.
@@sinisterisrandom8537 Yuuuup. I love this series but it has one of the worst and most insufferable fan bases on earth. So many people LARP like they’re *real* fans when they don’t even know what they’re talking about. Take for example 27:20 This kid doesn’t realize that this shift literally happened between the very first entry of the series and Fallout 2. If he actually played both, he’d know that the overall tone shifts MASSIVELY and that so many lore changes were made that a lot of fans of the first were just as buttmad about it as many are over the show.
Actually the kid in a fridge is NOT an Indiana Jones reference.. but actually a reference to old fridges that could not be opened from the inside. It was depressingly common for children playing around junkyards to climb inside old fridges and get stuck. Even more common were homeless people using fridges as shelters from inclimate weather not realizing they would not open back up In both cases, it lead to horrific incidents where people would find corpses in old fridges So its Fallout spoofing real world 50s era fuckups. I will grant you that Bethesda really doesn't get how much time 200 years is. 3 and 4 feel like the bombs "JUST HAPPENED" meanwhile New Vegas feels like the world burned ages ago and society has struggled to rebuild. With NV's take better reflecting the timeline given.
Yeah I hate the bombs just dropped feeling despite some of the games being set centuries later. Fallout 1 made more sense because it was closer, but we got further and further in time and Bethesda didn't really depict that so much. I guess there's only so many stories they can tell about society rebuilding and eventually when they do rebuild...it's over. But, some things just need to be over.
@@XegethraI think Fallout 3 could’ve done a lot better if it were say, at the same timeframe as Fallout tactics was, because they did indeed set out expeditions to hunt down the masters remnants and ended up in the Midwest. Bethesda could’ve EASILY have made the brotherhood of steel go further east to DC, and the faction being different than the previous games, the timeline, and also the hellscape of the Capitol would’ve made a lot more sense. They could’ve had their cake and eaten it too, at least in that aspect, but no, they just had to set it almost exactly 200 years after the bombs dropped
The timeline was wonky even prior to Fallout 3. Fallout 1 takes place in 2161, and 2 in 2241. That's an enormous gap of 80 years that wasn't necessary, but instead they chose to push it that far into the future. There are so many different stories you could tell in an 80 year time period, it's insane. Fallout 3's 2077 takes place merely 35 years after the end of Fallout 2, which is still bad, but Fallout 2 set the precedent of enormous time skips. Fallout 76 was actually smart to go back in time to 2102 -- a reminder that you don't have to push the timeline forward, you can tell your stories at ANY point in the timeline. Even something as simple as the power armor fusion cores is out of date by Fallout 2, because the lore states these things can operate for 100 years. You can maybe assume they have ways to recharge the batteries or make new ones, but by setting the games anywhere after 2177 (when the power cores would have died out by the earliest) all pre-war armor should be rendered inert. Unless you want to assume the battery only drains if it's in use, but even then the battery would be less powerful after so long of being left to rot. My point is that if we had less absurd time skips, we could have Fallout 4 set in like 2205, or something like that, and there wouldn't be much of a problem.
@@rustledentity5511 that is true too I just really hate how they set their games EXACTLY 200-210 years after the bombs dropped(other than 76), and yet the world feels like they stepped out of the vaults after like, a day They’re so much more dead than the other ones and it really bothers me
When I see a new ghoul I see a man with no nose and go "where is your nose?" When I see an old ghoul I go "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU!?" The old ghouls gave off the image of a rotting man in a cloak in an alley looking at you and going "The fuck you looking at, normal!?" And i loved it.
You forgot to mention that in Fallout 3 if you convince the residents at Tenpenny Tower to take the ghouls they eventually kill the inhabitants trowing them to a bunch of feral ghouls.
The ghouls were a group of communists, they resented that they were rejected access in the first place even though the reason was the thought that would be violent, which they proved themselves by deleting the lot of them, even the pro ghoul residents@@shadowcween7890
Just putting this out there. Several days before the shows release there was at least one interview done with Walton Goggins where he talked about the behind the scenes as "The Ghoul". He admits the direction they went with was to make his character a "Sexy Ghoul". That term may very well have its origins from Goggins himself in regarding the shows portrayal at least. I've seen no one else reference this to my surprise but I do remember the interview. There were many done so it may take some time to go through em.
I've noticed the ghouls becoming less like walking talking corpses and more like zesty bipedal jerky. I think fallout 3 hit the perfect middle ground of horrifying creature of an abominable world and creature that can technically be described as alive believably
Honestly, there were shots of the Ghoul that, to me, just looked like Walter Goggins without a nose. Remember when they were supposed to be horrifying to look at?
@@earhearthush-up5549nah that wouldn’t make sense because they made it seem super sad when Lucy had to kill the ghoul that kept saying her name was Martha
@@turtleboi1547 I guess I chose a poor word for what I meant, what I meant with Cooper is ‘relate’ or ‘admire’. Like you’re supposed to think he’s a badass. But you’re mostly supposed to feel sad when you look at Martha and normal ghouls.
@@hiidenkiuas You missed the point. Power armor never was anything even remotely close to a fucking iron-man suit. It was a man-sized and custom-fitted tank for front-line use as shock troopers to distract fire away from other infantry units. It was never internally fitted with a jetpack, because that's not what they were built for. Hell, even in fallout 4, the jetpack is an EXTERNAL upgrade, something you strapped on your back. The US military never built their power armour to be flying toasters for no real tactical reason whatsoever. And while it may not be physically realistic to have that, you can always blame bethesda for that, not the original fallout writers who never included that silly shit to begin with. Power armour could also never fly hundreds and hundreds of meters in the air, and become uncontrollable balloons by cutting a single oxygen pipe ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE ARMOR. It also never had the weakness at the centre and FRONT of the armor that coop conveniently exploits but kinda forgets about when he's fighting maximus. Did david and dan from game of thrones write this episode? The T-45 was supposed to be a prototype sent to the frontlines because of time restraint. It was less durable but not exceptionally vulnerable on the front of the torso, as far as I'm aware. The show made that crap up. This was just bethesda retconning their own retconns again to make the brotherhood look cooler, because todd has a hard-on for cool imagery and nothing more.
@@hiidenkiuasthe point is, power armor ISN'T an iron man suit. I HOPE they only did that decision to be inaccurate so it'd be easy to get the actor out of the costume. I mean. Yeah, jets on the arm make sense on a jet pack (like IRL jetpacks) but... less so when you're missing the PACK part of jetpack.
imma be that guy, So in the show not only does "the ghoul" literally state he has to eat, when he's barrier its talked about how he's bet dug up before and then reburied, meaning that someone has been feeding him, and even after that they bring him a chicken because ghouls cant resist it.
It feels like Ghouls are starting to become the 'Argonians' of Fallout. Unless they suddenly decide to bring back Deathclaws as Anthropomorphic Race of Reptiles in the Fallout TV show
@@nickhenson3093in Fallout 2 there was a vault full of them. The enclave did genetic testing that made them intelligent. You could even get one as a follower, Goris the pale deathclaw scholar. I don’t think they’d ever make them a playable race tho. I’d like if they let you be a ghoul but nothing non-human. Maybe if they wrote it well they could let you be super mutant, ghoul, or human for a Baldurs gate style party of characters. But I don’t think they’d pull that off. Also I’m sick of super mutants being in games where they don’t belong.
Argonians have lore and physiological differences. Like in Morrowind you a beast race whos body parts dont even fit certain human armor. They have a sort of hive mind and a magic god tree that bleed a potion sap. Then in skyrim they gave them one head type to make them not look like a Mer, disease immunity, water breathing and the beast race unarmed buff. Which isnt a skill now
27:20 The ironic thing is if you had talked to actual OG Fallout fans back in the late 90’s - early 2000’s, this is quite literally what they would have said as their main problem with Fallout 2 in comparison with the first.
@@Xavier28200 Yep your observation is spot on, it was the narrative back then but now the narrative is Obsidian/Interplay nostalgia and Bethesda hate Neither really has a solid connection to reality
@@earhearthush-up5549 this guy hasn’t even played 3 and acts like it’s anything like fallout 4, I replayed 3 and it’s not like it’s some wacky adventure, it’s a lot like fallout 1 in a lot of ways while fnv is a lot like fallout 2, and him saying fnv is grounded or realistic compared to 3 is hilarious no mate fallout has never been grounded or realistic and let’s be honest this kid was probably not old enough to even play 3 or fnv
@Xavier28200 Fallout 3 gets a lot more wacky than the first game does. Tranquility lane comes to mind, Canterbury commons, the republic of Dave, all of little lamplight, the robot who thinks it's a founding father. Even things that are played straight can be pretty silly, like the megaton choice and dad sacrificing himself for no reason or convincing the super computer enclave president to kill himself with a single speech check. The first game really only had a few random encounters like the tardis that were that wacky.
I've never liked 4's ghouls at all, they shouldn't be ancient quip spewing wrinkly humans who've lost body hair, their existence is pain and every moment not in pain would be one more closer to becoming feral, not something to be envied and caused by drugs
Says who? Lmao just because you don't like it doesn't mean it was never meant to be that way. And just because they were portrayed a certain way twice doesn't mean that's the only way to portray them.
@@mrcroob8563 "doesn't mean it was never meant to be that way" Bethesda didn't create the original fallout. If the original creators wanted ghouls to be immortal burn victims, then the original creators would have made them that way, but that's not what happened, so that contradicts your statement entirely. There was a purpose to ghouls' existence in this franchise's overarching story, and bethesda retconned it. That's a simple fact.
The original creator, Tim Cain, had zero issues with anything bethesda made. He also liked the TV show. You people are justing calling people out because they like what you hate using your own 'head canon' logic and something like, "If you don't like what I like you are not true fans" Seriously they were right. Fallout fandom hate each other more than anyone else. And you people are the cause of that.@@RedFloyd469
@@ChibaBanana "b-but tim cain liked anything bethesda made so it's good!!" yeah and chris avellone is laughing at the products and its consumers, so what's your point? obviously tim isn't going to bite the hand that is (currently) feeding him by giving him his 5 minutes of spotlight after he made the game over 20 years ago, get real
@@ChibaBanana this is a very silly example. Even if George Lucas came out and said he enjoyed some of the new Star Wars shows, longtime fans are not then obligated to enjoy them also. Our opinions are not dictated by whatever creator you want to use for reference. I enjoy his content and opinions, however he is not the arbiter of what Fallout is/should be. You have to be able to separate the creator from the art. I’ve referenced him in my videos. But that is in reference to his original designed and motives for the original games that he made at the time they were released. An opinion 20 years later is just as valid as anyone else’s. Meaning you have to look at it objectively and come to your own conclusions.
Actually, I’m of the belief that the whole reason they’re adding the “ghoul juice” to the show is as a tease of a future gameplay mechanic in Fallout 5. Because I’m of the belief that Bethesda wants to make Fallout more like The Elder Scrolls, and that means adding in multiple playable races in future Fallout games. I’ve suspected this was one major reason Fallout 4 took place in Boston as well, since they want to add Synths as one of the future playable races to Fallout 5 in order to get closer to parity with TES. Since then you could have Humans, Ghouls, Super Mutants and Synths all as playable races that use humanoid skeletons with different skins and scaling in character generation on game start (with a few different sub-race options for some of these options also as in TES, such as Vault-Dweller or Wastelander for humans and Gen 2 or 3 for synths). The Ghoul Juice is going to be their in-game mechanic for the resources needed to balance out the bonuses they’re going to give Ghoul players, since as you’ve pointed out, Bethesda has basically made Ghouls extremely OP otherwise. With Super Mutants it’s built in how they’re balanced - super strong and tough but they’ll have slow skill growth or XP growth or something to make them “dumb,” mechanically. For Ghouls they need something else, hence the juice.
Fantastic video. I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees right through the bullshit of fallout 4, 76 and the show. Your quote “Bethesda loves fallout… iconography” is perfect. It’s been watered down to power armor and the vault boy. But another thing with ghouls is their voices. In 3 and NV it sounds like their vocal cords are charred making their voices gravelly. In the show for sure and I think 4 and 76, they sound like normal people.
Bethesda sees fallout like a 1950s hipster mad max, they dont understand the themes nor they care about the lore. Amazing how the master never found vault 33 despite it was by spitting distance of the masters base. Then again people pretend this show is great and does not butcher the lore, but most of them are pretenders fallout 4 fans and tourists, they read a wiki article and pretend to know fallout. Also i am gonna rant a bit about those people "fallout is a critique of capitalism" says the hipster tourist, where? It does not mention it at all, all they got is liberty prime from fallout 3, fallout is not about capitalism or the cold war, its about the politics and society of the post apocalypse, meaning not the past but the future after the disaster, fallout is not a warning about nuclear war as much as it is about "war never changes" meaning that humans are tribal and even after the apocalypse they will form factions and go to war with each other, which is a much more bleak and dark critique of humanity than the "red scare" or nuclear war. The original idea for vault tec was that they will build space ships and go to space and the shi and the hubologists and the enclave in fallout 2 want to do those things. But bethesda is like the cyberpunk meme in which someone misses the point of cyberpunk entirely and says "wow cool trenchoat, i also wear sunglasses at night". Bethesda doesnt understand fallout, they see fallout as a surface level "1950s max max with 1930s music" its mad max for hipsters, when the themes of fallout are far more deeper than that. Well the new fans they attracted believe that "modern guns dont belong in fallout" because they only played fallout 4 and the "never mess with fallout fans we unironically believe the extreme ideologues the games criticize" meme. To which i say criticize how? If cesar's legion is a critique of fascism, even though he makes sense, that would mean that when mr house says the best line ever "if you want to see the results of democracy then look outside the window" (oooof) then the NCR is also a "extreme ideology" since the game "criticizes extreme ideologues" meaning that all the ideologues in the game are bad and if you believe in democracy or the republic, you are also extreme. NOPE, all fallout is saying is that even after the apocalypse humans will form factions and go to war with each other and their governments wont be perfect and corrupt and humans will destroy its other and even now realizing this, we all would pick a faction and defend it, because humans are tribal and now you gonna attack me and dissagree with me because HUMANS ARE TRIBAL. This is far more deep than "critiquing capitalism and the red scare" or random 1930s music and 1950s nuclear family visuals. In fallout 2 you had cities and factions with space programs and everyone used real money and shady sands became the new california republic and you had cars. In fallout 3 they went backwards, all technology became inferior, all civilization was gone and humans hid in a bunch of tiny settlements while there were super mutants everywhere in the city, who couldnt be there because super mutants were a fallout 1 thing that took place in the other side of the country and by that time there would be far less super mutants not more and they would never reach the other side of the country and of course everyone went back to using bottlecaps. By new vegas you had factions the size of small states going to war with each other, there was a progress on rebuilding civilization and repeating the mistakes of the past because humanity never changes, eventually there would be a space fallout like the game colony ship, i enjoyed seeing my actions affecting the wasteland and making it more advanced, meanwhile bethesda once again removed all of that with fallout 4 and made it a remake of fallout 3 where everyone is primitive again, the guns look even more crappy and ancient, barely any towns, super mutants are everywhere, everyone is back at using bottle caps as if nothing in the old games happened or had any effect. Then they did it again with fallout 76, again you just exit the vault and everything is empty, this time there are no npcs either, in a series of games that is well known for its good characters and dialogue choices. The next fallout will be another fallout 3 remake that once again everything will look as if the bombs just dropped and there will be super mutants everywhere despite at this point they should have gone extinct as they cant have kids and you will build stuff everywhere like fallout 4, because bethessda, bethesda never changes, seriously starfield is basically fallout 4 but somehow worse without the cool falout lore from the old games to stand on and without a worldmap, which caused even the biggest bethesda fanboys to stop defending bethesda because this is what these clowns always liked about betheda games, the exploration of the worldmap, not that their games had a good story or rpg mechanics, they never did, except morrowind of course.
@@arkgaharandan5881 saying Fallout doesn't critique capitalism is a bit ignorant. The Vaults alone are a perfect example. The rich get saved and the rest get the Kowalski Shelters or have to find other ways to survive. That's just the surface level. Imagine a franchise as big as Fallout can critique more than a few concepts
@@arkgaharandan5881 Imagine yapping so much about consistency and fake new fans and not even knowing that the mutants in Fallout 3 don't come from the Master's army but from Vault 87. Also, what's the problem if the east coast doesn't have nation states like the west? After the fall of the Roman Empire Italy and Germany remained a mess of city states for centuries, it makes sense to have part of the country more anarchic than another
@@doctorteapot5480 facepalm, its this crap again, does your feeble brain realize the reason they added that piece of lore was because people were complaining? I am not even gonna bother responding to the other nonsense, so you think its normal that in fallout 4 they have skeletons in the dinner they are actively using? Did no one even bother cleaning up?
The IG is gone after the soft reboot of Fallout 4. The show was Todd going schorched earth on the well established west coast and turning into the same whacky theme park as the east. He destroyed this IP.
@@navarroboi Okay yeah but the T-45 is an objectively cool and iconically designed set of power armor, it's the T-60 that's a ridiculous case of inferiority complex one-upping.
@@mcnuttington7122 The ghoul that the ghoul kills by shooting in the head is literally rotting, plus all the ghouls that Lucy encounters including her mother.
The only thing I can kinda forgive is live action ghouls being less rotten. Its pretty impractical to be caked in full body makeup or some weird prosthetic for hours on end
The way I interpreted the juice for the ghoul was that the dude was already hundreds of years old, and the juice is a necessity at a certain point to not go feral, I didn't see it as like "oh I've been a ghoul for a week and I will go feral unless I drink the yummy fluid". The person we saw converting in the show was around for a long time most likely since the ghoul knew him
The ghoul lore has always been messy, stuff like one ghoul in fallout 2 that was buried alive for two weeks, but under Bethesda things got so much worse
Regarding The Ghoul being buried in the Fallout show, I believe it isn't a callback to the goofy side mission with Billy in Fallout 4. Instead, it appears to reference the Fallout 2 quest "Rescue Coffin Willie," which involves unearthing a ghoul who had been buried for months
About the show... I believe the "ghoul juice" is only for ghouls who are already in the process of going feral, thus not every ghoul would need it. It's also probably a recent invention in the world. I also do believe the whole not needing food/water thing is stupid, and that the Fallout 4 quest is incredibly dumb, but I'm still not sure the show is adherent to that logic. You could very easily say the IV also contained fluids for Cooper, as well as nutrients to sustain him, although it would be a bit of a stretch. It might make more sense to say ghouls could hibernate honestly, given how so many feral ghouls seem to go a long while without any food. Fallout 4 does however seem to say ghouls still need food though, given there's a quest relating to the brotherhood where an initiate sneaks food to a bunch of feral ghouls underneath the Boston Airport. Also, in the show's defence, we don't actually know if Thaddius is a ghoul, for all we know he could have been turned into a kind of mutant, as it's not like Cooper regrew his finger after Lucy bit it off.
One of the biggest opportunities less utilized is how the culture they grew up with changed over 220 years. For perspective, 220 years ago from right now, Thomas Jefferson was the US president and he was purchasing the Louisiana territory from Emperor Napoleon. Ohio recently became a State. Like when that one BoS guy says,"This wasteland sucks!" Dude that's like a millennial complaining about how many trees were killed to make books across history or something else ridiculously cringe.
"This wasteland sucks," is no different than people saying their country sucks when they're frustrated with how things are going, no? Is it just a bad thing, to you, because it was said in Fallout?
@@chipputer They wouldn't be thinking of it as a wasteland, as they would have nothing else to compare it to, especially after 220 years. Our government changes every 4-8 years.
@@JNJNRobin1337 It's like people hate to think about stuff... obviously the term lost it's original meaning. The term wasteland was quite overused in original Fallout too. It probably lost it's original meaning of "nothing grows, everything sucks" to meaning - "the country" or as Australians might say "the bush". BoS guy was probably raised in the comforts of the compounds of BoS and once released to fend on himself in the actual wasteland he realized how much it actually sucks - like don't get me wrong, better writer might use the opportunity to bring up some more eloquent dialogue but he is supposed to be a guy with like 3 INT at best so what did you expect?
At this point the SCORCHED are better Ghouls than the Ghouls Bethesda has made, And that's because they look like they're literally burning from the inside out (which they are, bc that's what Ultracite infection DOES). They're not immortal, but can survive a reasonably long time until they eventually cool and petrify. They have a pseudo hivemind, which can connect them to a degree and explains their unnatural aggression even in small packs. The one in charge is a super mutated bat that is so hard to kill you have to nuke her and then, while in the cloud, have enough people and firepower to actually _hurt her._ obviously this is possible to stop bc Whacky Zany Looter Shooter BUUUUT. Let's not forget that unless you're basically a robot, super mutant (urgh), or a weird cryptid, you can be infected and Scorched! Even short term exposure, or a scratch, seems to be capable of infecting you, to say little of the gases that could burst from them. It's incurable, and innoculation came pretty much too late to matter, with too little supply to even prevent outbreaks. On the paper... Bethesda made the perfect Ghoul in the Scorched- terrifying, zombie-like, and you will become one of you are not careful with them. But they put them in the worst* game, and ruined Ghouls forever. *By sheer comparison, 76 is the worst Fallout game made so far. I personally think it's okay- certainly something to kill time with- but still bad in its own way
@@qwart22 I actually don't hate 76- I think for what it is, it's an attempt at something they didn't have much knowledge of in-house and it came out unfinished. I'd argue in since aspects it beats out fallout 4, but it's clear they need a better writing staff. I enjoy 76, it's just not an instant pick for me on any given day boredom
Regarding Ghouls, I was never comfortable with Moira Brown somehow surviving a full blown nuclear blast. Ghouls within Fallout 3 alone die from flamethrowers and grenades, or they die because you ignited a gas leak in the Subway. What does all this have to do with a nuke? A nuke releases a blast with heat, and I mean hot. Hotter than the napalm you are spewing out of a flamethrower. Then there’s the power of the supersonic shockwave. More pressure than just a grenade shockwave. Putting those two factors together. It’s absurd that Moira wasn’t vaporized. I thought Ghouls were from being exposed to radioactive Fallout after the bomb.
@benjaminkemer6428 technically yes but it's in the manual of a special edition but many don't consider it canon but Fallout 4 does mention Megaton and apparently it had grown in the 10 years since 3 so it wasn't canonical destroyed
the reason they did it was because they want you do that quest, bethesda does not understand fallout, they just want to shove their 50s max max hipster amusement park down your throat.
29:25 I think it’s just jet. Ghouls have been fond of jet since the fallout 2 (I think). If you’ve been around for 200 years, every day would go by much faster relatively speaking, so jet would slow it down and make time go by “normally,” which may also have a psychologically benefit idk. This is my head canon.
My personal theory about the ghoul juice is that it was supposed to be drugs: jets, psycho, buffout, mentats, med x. It kinda makes sense for the ghoul to be overpowered - he's just high on psychojet in every combat encounter. He even takes in the juice vial the exact same way you're supposed to take in the jet. But this being a popular show by a big corporation, I presume they didn't want to create a positive image for drugs. Thus the drugs were removed (do they even exist in the show?) and changed for a mcguffin where it had plot relevancy.
To be fair, chems or drugs in Fallout games aren’t exactly good. Your character can become addicted to them and can have withdrawal symptoms (stat and skill penalties)
@@KaosNova2 Any bonuses (including more damage, more acton points, more special stats, more damage resistance, slowing down time), even with some and minor downsides, could be considered as glorification of drug use. And just in general, references to drug usage in media can be hard. Just a reminder that Med X was supposed to be morphine, but had to be changed for censorship reasons.
@@KaosNova2 Also, you can avoid the negative effects of any addiction by just taking more drugs, which is clearly a no-no in terms of showing it to the wide public.
@@yaldabraxas Well that’s a likely reference to how people in addiction recovery take drugs to lessen the withdrawal symptoms, such as giving heroin addicts methodone to make all the spasms, itching, vomiting, etc, less severe.
@@KaosNova2 ... it's also a reference to the fact that a drug addict takes more drugs to feel, what their body thinks is, normal and the best way to translate that into gameplay is to just debuff you until you take more drugs.
The child in the fridge did not sit there for 200 years. A few days before players exit vault 111, the minuteman city of Quincy was raided by gunners. Big battle happend and minutemen lost, Preston and everyone he could grab fled, and ended up at the museum of freedom. When that attack was happening the kid run away and had hidden in the fridge. The old fridges in fallout are based on real fridges with latch mechanism, that had 1 main flaw, it cannot be opened from the inside. Some children died and so we have magnetic fridges today. So the kid was ghoulified like 200 years ago in some bunder alog with his parents, They survived this far ,and during quincy raid the kid just locked himself in a fdridge for couple days.
He might not regenerate, though I seem to remember him shrugging off several shots during the shootout in that first main city they go to, forget its name.
I like how new vegas, despite being set in a far less irradiated zone, actually not only comes up with SEVERAL new mutated species, it actually takes it's time to explain their origin. It even introduces species we don't directly see, but only hear lore-entries about. This means so much more room for exploration of these mutated creatures and their effect on people around them. Fun quests around exterminating or wrangling them for sustenance, etc... The only thing fallout 4 introduced were those lizards in far harbor and the mirelurk queen. A second thing I hate about bethesda fallout is how their idea of fun new enemies is just making them bigger. The mirelurk queen is quite boring, and for fallout 76 things just became utterly ridiculous. Fallout essentially turned into a theme park for old iconic imagery and godzilla monsters that make no sense within the setting.
It's heavily implied that the serum Thadeus took was FEV, since the first fallout it's implied that ghouls are highly durable, they aren't just burn victims, since the first fallout you can fucking dismember them and they still go after you, and cooper does not regenerate, he gets shot, but he's still kicking, and you said it yourself, it's a fucking iv bag, do you think you just simply eat while you are in a coma? iv bags feed you nutrients directly onto your bloodstream. It's also implied its not some magical serum, but a form of radaway, keeping the radiation at bay
36:10 kind of like tracking fobs from the Mandalorian. Unexplained gadgets whose very existence breaks the lore of the setting, with nonsense mechanics, that only exist for dumb plot reasons that could've been replaced by something more interesting (such as the Mandalorian's skill as a bounty hunter, or the Ghoul having a chem addiction or a debilitating illness beyond/or partially caused by his ghoulification).
You're right, The Ghoul states that he's constantly high on a dozen different drugs, All they had to do was make the ghoul addicted to Jet or some other shit and that's what the two men were making instead of a weird organ harvesting operation with rotting feral ghouls.
@czarnakoza9697 Bruh, you criticized a show for having unique characters. Something every show does. Criticising them having lucy need to learn the world? Something fallout 1 is specifically all about? Hell, most fallout games are about? Not to mention, it makes for a decent audience stand in. I don't think you have much logical ground to stand on.
Bethesda after seeing Fallout NV establishing a story that advances past the apocalypse and shows a natural progress of societies: nooooo the fallout universe has to be stagnant and not advance one milimeter forward 😡😡😡
Ah yes, let's just make sure we make the world advance so that, in the end, we're playing in a post-apocalyptic pre-apocalyptic world and have to come up with some contrived reason to make a game. And before you say they shouldn't make a game, then, you're incredibly uninformed about how game development and investors work.
That's if we even get another Fallout. Bethesda has run out of goodwill after 76 and Starfield. I don't anticipate TES6 coming anytime soon, and it will probably suck ass when it does.
@@cheesehead8952 starfield is just fallout 4 without the cool fallout lore, bethesda had to make their own stuff and they sucked....and no worldmap, which is what most of the bethesda fans play these games for and they dont understand why people have issues with bethesda's writing and lack of rpg mechanics.
I feel like potentially the drug could be explained with the show being the latest we’ve seen in the timeline. As time goes on, more ghouls experience brain decay and potentially we see the development of a drug to stave off the effects. I know Bethesda hasn’t been super consistent on this, but it’s not like new drugs haven’t been developed post-war in the lore, like Jet. Maybe someone mixed some pre-war alzheimer’s medication with some dishwasher detergent or something and found it delayed the brain decay of ghouls that were losing their minds at a exponentially faster rate. Maybe in the decade since the last game, we start to see the pre-war ghouls’ time finally run out. It’d be quite a lucrative market with repeat customers, who if they’ve been alive this long are likely very capable of acquiring caps to keep your pockets full. I dunno, I’m not against it in concept. I do wish it was more developed though. I know we’re only in season 1, but just anything to fill in those blanks a bit would’ve been great.
Adding on: There's also the chance that that the ghoul serum is a regional scam, in that the effect is there but negligible. Withdrawal from it makes ghoulification worse or imitates its symptoms.
The Fallout show being "cannon" should probably be taken with a grain of salt as well because Bethesda absolutely sucks at maintaining consistency in their world building. Hell they introduced the concept of "Dragonbreaks" in TES to explain their repeated and constant major retcons with every new game.
@@aguy2162 Yes they did, you're not paying attention to "small details" (Entire groups/races of people who in part are a defining aspect of the fictional world) , open your eyes
@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638 Well the former devs like both 3 and New Vegas so the only people who care are those who can't get over the fact that their obscure little franchise is now far more different and popular
@@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638Neither did the OG devs. There's vids and vids of conflicting and retconned info that the original devs did themselves before Bethesda, or reconsider they wanted to do so Bethesda did it for them.
You know how Fallout 4 could have justified "prettier" Ghouls? Have the game take place earlier in the timeline. Maybe your vault in that game could have been one of the first to open... But no
Regarding the kid You can notice since fallout 3 that in Bethesda's universe feral ghouls often play dead until you come near. I guess they have some kind of hibernation mechanisms in their body allowing them to "sleep" for long time. Kinda like bears in winter. 200 years is still dumb tho.
Fallout 3 Ghouls spawn and run at you in the overworld, or turn from what they are doing and rush at you in the underground portions of the map. Fallout 4 has it that they get up from lying down on the ground . Either way, good point, not sure how they got their sustenance without visitors, but then again, we’re thinking more about it than the writers
A lot of people do. But that was never the case. FEV created super mutants not ghouls. Idk where that idea came from but a large amount of people in the comments are also under that impression.
@@Sublime_Light Bethesda said at one point that a super early strain of the FEV (FEV-0) leaked out pre-war and infected basically everyone. It's harmless normally, but if you get exposed to radiation it causes the ghoul transformation. The second strain (FEV-1) is what creates East Coast super mutants and the third and final strain(FEV-2) is what creates West Coast super mutants.
drives me crazy in the show how they made zero attempt at ghoulifying goggin’s voice and how his main “proesthetic” was a bald cap and they cgi’d out his nose
I get what you're saying and agree mostly, devil's advocate thought: I was relieved in terms of not having to strain to completely understand the voice. Even a minor deepening and a little gravel would have been great though.
Having never played Fallout 1 and 2, I gotta say that keeping that design around makes for much better world building. In Fallout 4, for example, prejudice against Ghouls is a pretty major part of the lore, but in the game they don’t even look that offensive. If they retained their original look then it makes more sense that wastelanders would act bigoted towards them
My dude, people with slight skin tone differences are treated poorly by others and you're thinking it would take looking like a literal zombie to have people be prejudiced against ghouls?
Yk, say what you will of 76 and 4 I think 3 and New Vegas translated the tone and style of the originals near perfectly in my opinion... Rest in peace to Adam Adamowicz.
Don't forget that after you let the ghouls into Tenpenny Tower (with the consent of the residents), the ghouls will slowly begin to kill people. And when you come to this tower a week or two later, there will be only ghouls in it, and the corpses of the inhabitants are hidden in one of the rooms. Therefore, people’s fears for their safety when rotting zombies are walking nearby are completely justified
@@KaosNova2 I also have another theory about Tenpenny - what if EU (including Britain) in Fallout universe survive, and now sees america as a safarii park with mutans, etc.? Like, how the old english gentelman can have the tower with security, in the middle of nowhere? And also have money for this from like also nowhere.
@@NishyDedMoros There’s also the Irishman named Colin Moriarty in Megaton with his saloon. Back in Fallout 1, one of the pre-builds for your character was Natalya. She was of Russian descent and was there because her parents were diplomats. (Don’t quote me on it because I need to figure out how to run old Fallout games on my PC again and it has been a while. But what if a similar situation happened with Tenpenny’s family, what if some Brits were in the USA when the nukes happened and got in the vaults like Natalya’s parents and grandparents because they were VIPs from England?
@@r32guy85 The reason isn’t so much you sympathize with the ghouls but the player and by extension their character isn’t bloodthirsty to kill the ghouls in the situation. In Fallout 1, the main reason why many new players don’t kill all the Ghouls is because that same encounter is where you first meet the Super Mutants and in Fallout 1, those guys are far more of a threat than Ghouls are to you. Even when you meet them, they are giant brutes who want to kill you. It’s like seeing a coyote, then seeing a huge Grizzly Bear.
I would be fine with Ghouls being able to heal their issues with a kind of FEV that can repair DNA instead of shielding it like with Super Mutants. Van Buran had a ghoul doctor doing things just like that but it was involving cross breeding Ghouls and Humans in order to do so IIRC. "Tactics had my favorite ghoul designs... Dillon was a good one."
If the child in the fridge was a glowing one, I could believe he’d survive. Though I’m not sure if it’s actually lore, but I believe some ghouls can survive on radiation, making glowing ones, who emit radiation, self sufficient. That’s why you’ll often find a glowing one alone in a locked room.
I’m glad others didn’t like the anti feral juice in the show. That shit was dumb to me. Another thing. The magic “ghoul tracker” that tracked the radiation left by ghouls but magically ignored the radiation of everything else around them????
The ghoul juice makes them impossible to exist full stop. I've heard people use the cope argument of its radaway. They really have destroyed everything that fallout is. It's now just a stupid wacky world full of cousin sex and bad jokes
@@Sublime_Light it has tho. Honestly the way you talk about the games makes it seem like you haven't played any of the originals. media literacy is a real thing that should be learned.
The show is definitely not canon.. Ghouls aren't Wolverine or have an Anti-Feral Serum... And the show claims Vault-Tec dropped the bombs instead of China..
@@1Hol1Tiger literally, its boring and lazy writing, a well designed show with a rushed plot imo, but because they authorized it bethesda now thinks they need to die on this hill that everything in it is canon
@@1Hol1TigerVault-Tec dropping the bombs has been a prevalent fan theory though. I presume the writers scrolled through top reddit posts just to get ideas what to do with the show.
Refund on Steam, if you "cant even open it" then you are/were far below the threshold of hours. Then buy it again a day or so after either you are slightly lying or leaving out information trying to make Steam sound bad for nothing
You mentioned how fallout 3 doesn't open for you. If the launcher opens, and your using an nvidia card, theres an extremely easy fix you can try that worked for me. In the program settings tab within the 3d settings section of the nvidia control panel, select fallout 3 in the program selection and set the preferred graphics processor to your nvidia card, also do this for the fallout 3 launcher.
Eh more realistic if we are talking about bzrn victims, their modelers probably did not want long time scarring and ptsd. Believe me, some drug addicts are worse in real life, and i am all for the idea of physicaly handicapped and actualy rotting ghouls in fangames or other media that is probably not gonna be official.
@@CreativeUsernameHere-r1k the new fans argue the old ghouls would've fallen apart years ago, but they miss the point of them being able to survive because of radiation. A 200 year old person would actually look more frail than half the ghouls from the show and FO4 anyway even without ghoulification. I don't really care if it makes more sense or not for them to look so dull, the original designs were far creepier, badass and fascinating. In fact, old fallout looked a lot more terrifying than it does now. The world is literally dying, the atmosphere reflected that perfectly in the original. We will never see The Master like abomination again in fallout and that is pretty sad imo.
@@NewOrderOfAlexandria The news games have some cool art direction in some ways, like FO76's nature team had great ideas, but the fact is that FO4 and FO3 are both bad in some extreme ways, FO4 having so much colour was a sidestep imo, but having so much pre war ameircana everywhere was a crime. Fallout was and is not a simple post apocalyptic game, it's more... It's a post nuclear role playing game, it's in a civilisation that is beyond the appocalypse, Fallout 2 already had the first steps of this return... Newly built houses, less ragged post war items... same with FNV. Yes some areas are tribal, or raider ridde but not like 3 where people acted amost like survivors from a vault... I get it that nylon and polyester clothes would last into the 2300s but Fallout had isues with petrol suplies.
@@CreativeUsernameHere-r1k certain parts of Fallout could still look run down realistically, but Diamond City should be like New Vegas in FO4, the fact it's just the football stadium is crazy, how humans didn't take out all the feral ghouls, raiders and super mutants in the area 200 years after the nuke is silly, I was so disappointed getting there after seeing New Vegas and it's many districts leading into the central strip was insane. The whole of Boston should be populated like some cyberpunk city, only the countryside should be a barren wasteland. Bethesda Fallout feels like limbo, they just never evolve past the "post-apocalypse" state
@@NewOrderOfAlexandria They were trained on medieval fantasy games, where 5000k years and no big changes are okayish, move some borders and it's fine.... that's why I hate the base building idea in fallout... dude we should not be in a time where stuff needs to be built from the ground up everywhere, but in something of a new civilisation. Not a shamble but say a teocrathic tribal society at minimum or even high functioning feudal systems or some advanteruous other ideas.
Kid in a fridge would have worked better if the kid was only trapped in there for a few days, maybe a week or two but no more than that. Some sort of blockage or jamming could be the reason he got stuck and you have to remove that. But no, what we got is just opening the door...something he should have been able to do? Maybe have the fridge submerged partly in water so he can drink for those few days or use trapped moisture.
Some old fridges couldn't be opened from the inside. It's also just a really, really dumb but quirky thing meant to make you go have a small chuckle and then decide if you want to be a horrible person or not. In that order. Nothing more, nothing less. One of these days I want to see another group of fans hyper fixate on one thing so much, though. Especially when it's clearly not meant to be taken super seriously.
Point of contention. When/if you nuke the NCR or Legion base at the end of Lonesome road, I don't think the marked men you fight there are the soldiers who were stationed there. I think its just some marked men who moved in thanks to the radiation, which is what actually keeping them alive while the winds of the divide rips the skin off them.
When you nuke it the soldiers there are ghouls. Not marked men. The marked men are only in the divide and can only live there because of the radiation. They look completely different they are not the same. What is the contention?
@@Sublime_Light That was my contention. Maybe you are right, I haven't nuked either side in Lonesome Road in years. I thought it was marked men that spawned there, like in the courier's mile.
Did you watch the video? The footage during that part is of my playthrough when I'm at the nuked base. Those are regular NCR ghouls. Not the red marked men ghouls.
Didn't watch the show, but perhaps the ghoul juice is just false hope? Maybe it doesn't actually do anything and eventually everyone will learn of this? Again, I didn't watch it so I wouldn't really know how it works in the show.
The show makes it pretty clear that Ghouls have to ingest this "Juice" in order to stop them from turning feral. There was a Super Duper Mart scene where there were a couple of junkies who seemed to either be dealing or even somehow manufacturing it. No further details given or exploration in this location other than there were Ghouls, Normal and Feral which get unleashed in this scene. For all intents, the Juice is a straight up random Game-like mechanic put into the show with fuck all explanation.
@@randallflagg7637 from what you said about the production process... It makes it even less likely the effects of the drug are legit. Could be a clever ruse?
@@randallflagg7637 There's no actual elaboration on what the juice is. There's just Sexy Ghoul using it and insisting it's what keeps him sane, one other ghoul going feral that he kills and eats, asking for said drug, and then a bunch of locked up feral/nearly feral ghouls inside of a store that also has a literal body chop shop that allowed Lucy to replace her finger. We have zero information outside of that and it's irresponsible to do anything other than theory craft but you seem to want to pass it off as fact and get all up in a tizzy about it when we have a season 2 confirmed that will, likely, help explain more. Nobody seems to want to get all pissy about the drug the squire takes that allows him to suddenly heal all of his wounds, just the ghoul one. Neither of them are explained. The ones that do get pissy all seem to assume the drug turned him into a ghoul despite us having no real indication of it doing so and no other information exists, yet, to help us figure it out.
There was a fan fic RUclips series I remember watching. The ghoul side kick had to fight to keep sanity in check. High stress situations like fire fights made this worse. It's interesting to see ghouls as ticking time bombs. Your best friend even mentor one day and frothing mad man the next.
@@generalgrievous2202 For real. I have about 700hrs in both Fo4 and New Vegas. If it wasn't for beauty mods for Nora and settlements mods, I wouldn't have more than 120hrs in it. The only thing Fo4 has on NV is that it doesn't feel like Oblivion with guns anymore.
Thanks for making a video about an aspect of lore consistency. I'm not a Fallout fan (more of an appreciator of 1,2 and New Vegas) but even I can tell that having Bethesda and Fraud Howard having control of the franchise it will become unrecognizable to those who appreciate the foundation of the lore. The future of the Fallout franchise is a bleak as the original games.
Kid in the fridge does more damage to the lore of fallout than any single game did. Someone weird must’ve came up with the idea for that quest. You didn’t even mention how the parent are right down the road for 200 years and didn’t find their son. Or anyone else It’s crazy how much 1 joke of a quest affected fallouts history and future.
The quest is dumb, goofy, fun, yeah, but you also need to keep in mind that, "right down the road," is a gameplay thing, not a reality thing. The map is condensed to make it easier for the player to traverse.
They do decay. Ghouls tell you that in multiple games. That’s why they look like zombies. They just live for a very long time and can survive most non-fatal damage to their bodies somehow.
@@Sublime_Light the reason why the ghouls in fallout 1 look significally way worse than the other ghouls in other games is due to them being constantly targeted and shunned by humans, which in turns gets them harmed in the process. the fact alone that they also live within a still eradiated power plant dosent help their skin problem. there is only so much things you can heal from until you start to look deformed
@@Mentallyheld no, they decay profligate. All ghouls are maimed by people or other because they are shunned? Some backward ass rationalization right there.
@@Sublime_Light did you even read it right?? i am not denying they still decay after all they are human but what i am saying is that they look SIGNIFICALLY way worse due to massive intake of radiation due to the places they live which dosent make their looks..good great. and as well the constant abuse they get from humans and attack which leaves them more disfigured (also another serious note to take. the reason why most ghouls in 1 and 2 look so different is due because this people are ORIGINALLY from the pre-war aka when they first saw the bombs falling which also left them horrifying scarred, some got out better..than the others)
(The fridge) The worst part is if they wanted to do the Johns reference than they could’ve just had the fridge be the kids safe space that he goes to when he’s stressed but one day the fridge door gets jammed and the player finds the kid a day after, then after talking to the boy you find out that that’s where he hid when the bombs fell and so that’s where he goes whenever he’s stressed out. This is better because that way his parents don’t look retarded and the world’s lore doesn’t get broken except for the fact that the boy hasn’t grown up.
I appreciate the honest and objective approach to this issue. Thank you for being genuine and not a shill like some bigger youtubers that shant be named
That’s why I made these videos actually. I was so sick of what the fallout community was putting out that I said fine I’ll do it myself. Tried to make the content I wanted to see from the fallout community. I’m happily surprised there are so many people who feel the same way
One question...or more. Just to be clear: You need a waterchip, to produce purified water, right? Ghouls were since F1 immune against radiation, right? If thats the case, why did they need a waterchip in the first place? They can also drink irradiated water. Did i get that right? Because, if that's the case, Black Isle hat a really big hole in their own writing. And to the kid in the fridge: that was some brainfart that some producer had, not thinking enough. I don't take it as canon, but curiosity...
Fallout 3 ghouls would call the ghoul from a show a smooth skin
Marked men: at least you have skin.
Yeah, but not the semi-feral ghouls.
Hey man, guessing the time you commented this you haven’t watch the show but I wanted to say there are other ghouls in the show and they kinda look like the ones from 4-76
@@Bob-thei was literally about to to comment ab the ghoul in the end. The blackened one yk. Was ab to not care ab spoilers bc it seems no one here cared ab watching the show before making the assumption new ghouls are smooth skinned
@@OrchidsCattails yeah that’s also a good reference, but yeah people like making assumptions about things they don’t know about yet
"Mutants are best equipped to deal with the world today. Who else? The ghouls? Please. Normals? They brought nuclear death to us all." - the Master, unaware that ghouls are apparently better equipped to deal with the wasteland than even his mutants, being their near nigh invulnerability, lack of needing food or water and wolverine level healing rate. Then again, he did somehow miss several Vaults within his vicinity.
It just works
Bethesda’s shit writing retroactively making the Master look dumb ladies and gentlemen
I wouldn’t say the Master had perfect hindsight, but then again, within the same series. Cooper executed a ghoul by putting a gun to his head and blowing his brains out. Then multiple feral ghouls get dropped by bullets in another point, then Cooper gets sprayed with machine gun bullets and is okay for “Reasons” as if I am Watching The Mask where Stanley gets shot and takes a drink only to have the drink leaking out of his bullet holes.
@@navarroboithe master couldn’t have been that smart if he didnt take reproduction into consideration
@@gooce9870isn't that exactly what the vault dweller says?
"if you're so smart, how come you didn't realize your mutants are sterile?" lmao
with that said, The Master of the Supermutants thought the FEV didn't sterilize its victims.
But I agree, he not realizing current supermutants can't mate is dumb.
Harold isn't a ghoul, he's a regular (non-super) Mutant. So is Talius.
This is an entire class of creature that Bethesda forget existed.
So many people forget this, there are mutants, and there are super mutants, they are different
Same as the master technically. Then they turned him into a tree in 3 lol
actually the ghouls ARE part of the regular mutant class
the ones in necropolis that were affected by FEV
@@deathbyignoranceYT I think there is a difference between the FEV that was in the vats of mariposa, which harold slipped into, and the FEV that was still in west tek when the bombs dropped, causing it to become airborn, but you're right technically most ghouls are probably contaminated with this, technically any mutations would sort of make you a "mutant"
Let us not forget either that in Fallout New Vegas, Ghouls served within the NCR military. There were Ghoul Rangers stationed in one of the Ranger Outposts along the Colorado River. It shows that Ghouls could still thrive and had a place in society.
And a cut Super Mutant Ranger, they must have faced bad treatment but they seemingly get by and find a place.
To be fair to the show, that one ghoul at the observatory seems apt to the NCR, at least the remnant led by Moldaver, regardless of her shaky characterization.
@@brandishaccount5439 One thing I do hope for in the future for Fallout is more examples of Humans, Ghouls, and Super Mutants living among one another whether its settlements, raider gangs, or factions. Sure I can still expect racial tensions and even pure hate at times but one can imagine that as time goes on, folks are able to form some sense of understanding and cooperation.
Also would like to see something concerning Ghouls becoming a dwindling species. Most Ghouls are over 200 years old. There has to be a end for them and having them be seen as something of a bygone age as humanity grows more and more would be interesting.
Which is why I feel the new drug in West coast makes sense, question, why would the NCR not research feral ghouls to find a cure? Ghoul soldiers are stupidly useful, but them legit rotting away so fast is really REALLY BAD!!
So the NCR which is a country, with doctors, scientists, engineers worked to make a cure. Found a treatment and sold that to ghouls, which meant they now had a army of loyal soldiers that are immortal.
unlike the east coast which hey brother hood how do you handle ghouls *fucking shoots them* oh....
@@officerkaiser9100 I figure ghouls don't die until killed but the wasteland is really dangerous so
the ncr ranger veterans are almost all ghouls in lore too
from living slowly decaying corpses to literally humans 2.0
Burn victim is the most apt description of post-Fallout 4 Ghouls
@@navarroboi That's literally what they are, victims of nuclear radiation
@@christianvondruska8244 If you want to take everything to be scientifically reasonable then sure, but fallout is proven to not really follow that, going with the original design is most faithful, it's also less lame and boring
@@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638 I'm sorry if I came off as defending the Fallout 4 ghouls, I was not, they made them into people without noses and slightly reddish skin. The original ghouls were quite literally survivors of a nuclear blast, they're not supposed to look appealing. And the fact that they've been so devalued as a whole, they can survive without food and water, never age, can be created through drugs, feralization is now preventable, etc.
@@christianvondruska8244i feel the original ghouls just a way to fucking gross to look at it, but yeah it is acurrate as a person who survived a nuclear blast
Fallout 4 and tv show ghouls look like burn victims rather then rotting corpses
The show Ghouls don't really look anything like Fallout 4's ghouls. They actually look a lot like the Ghouls from the Nukabreak series on RUclips. The only one that looks like how you describe is THE Ghoul.
Hardly even burn victims; they just look like old people who fell asleep in a tanning booth
Did you see the show? Lucy’s mom is litterally rotting away
So like radiation burns
Ghouls that stay around are the healthiest. Ghouls being smoothed over time makes sense.
The original concept of ghouls is kinda sad or scary. Rather than the bombs killing someone instantly, the damage slowly kills them over centuries.
The closest thing to ghouls in our world was the victims of the atomic bombings in Japan who didn't die immediately. Instead, they spent the last few days of their lives burnt to a crisp, sometimes blind because their eyes were literally burned out of their heads.
I was thinking of that Japanese guy who had a nuclear accident and to this day was one of the most irradiated people in history. His demise was slow and horrible.
They didn't burn, they melted. Down to the atomic level so they're bodys couldn't even try to regenerate or stave off infection or clot or anything. Generally one of the worst things I've ever read about
@@smurlix5676*Genuinely.
Sorry.
@@smurlix5676 If using chemical or biological weapons in war is a crime, why do nukes get a free pass?
@@twistedyogertBecause the US used it and won, and chose very well their target in the civilians of a non-european power.
You know what’s also funny? Your own robot Butler in Fallout 4 literally is shown running on a combustion engine, and yet he hasn’t run out of gas in 200 years!
Codsworth runs on a different power source and does combustion engine
Fusion cells like the cars, but still hard to believe he is still kicking around in 200 years with flammer fluid...
I don't have a hate boner for Bethesda like some seem to do.. But...
It is a problem that Bethesda tends to write Fallout like the apocalypse was a recent event.
There is Mr. Handy fuel that you can collect in Fallout 4 and 76. So I believe his mechanical parts and ai run on the fusion cores power, but the engine needs to be fueled up.
All I am saying is if he shut himself down and locked himself inside a box for the player to unlock and repair him to turn him on again, it would be a more interesting plot.
They're making ghouls sound appealing to be, like living essentially forever, immune to radiation, ferals won't attack you, and with pretty much no scarring besides looking like a burn victim
..you forgot about the fact people would be extremely racist against you? and as well still run the risk of becoming feral if you take too much radiation and to add to that you still DECAY
except the racism, body parts occasionally falling off, absolutely awful stench, etc
@@DustySiren OH AND THE VOICE THE VOICE, while i do love how ghoul voices sound like and hearing them speak..ehh not so sure about other people
@@Mentallyheld true
@@Mentallyheld its xenophobia not racism
Let's be real and admit that the only reason Moira Brown becomes a Ghoul is so that you do not miss out on her quest.
Meaning that just killing Moira has more consequences than nuking the town.
Lmfao
However 3 still gives you the choice to end her unlike any games they made afterwards where they are important characters with actual plot armor.
Was she at ground zero when Megaton was eviscerated? Shouldn't she be dust like everyone else there?
@@martian_turtle4070 No, she took a walk outside for the first time ever in her life JUST before you detonate it.
@@pyry1948 What an inconvenience, she's the only character I would want gone for good.
"The ghoul" is probably the most entertaining character in the show.. imagine how much cooler he would've been if there was a bigger dichotomy between his looks and his charisma
He is just ok, he is "great" because most other characters are kind of bad to mid at best.
@guilhermehank4938
hes also played by a decent actor
You know, my son, you're gonna realise... there is no such dichotomy
Incels
@@ethanstapley7018 What are you talking about...
I liked the squire a lot more, the fallout show cowboy ghoul is just a gary sue imho, the squire’s actor with his character does great at showing how ecstatic it would be to get that power up of a armour and how he is still naive and almost autistic with his obsession with power armour and “outside” thing. The ghoul as a character is just… ugh.
I have to just correct one small part of this video, Harold isn't technically a ghoul, his ghoulifacation is the result of the FEV virus not the bombs or an immense and sudden dose of radiation.
Thats why Harold looks like he's melting whereas every other ghoul looks like their skin has rotted or dried out and recessed.
Thats why Harold in fallout 3 turns into a tree because of a plant in his head, which forms a symbiotic relationship with him
The guy didn't play the games. Nor even bother to watch a video on the lore.
Yeah, an easy mistake to make. Harold did live in the Ghoul Community at Gecko
I looked it up and you’re absolutely right. Thanks for pointing that out. Also noticed I said he headed south to GECKO but actually it should’ve been north. Poor Harold. Luckily I don’t think either of those are large enough issues to warrant taking the video down to tweak it; but I really appreciate the constructive feedback man.
Edit: when you hover your cursor over him in Fallout 2 the pip reads “a very leathery looking ghoul” which I think is where that came from.
been a fallout lore fan my whole life never know this till now really cool
@@sinisterisrandom8537
Yuuuup. I love this series but it has one of the worst and most insufferable fan bases on earth. So many people LARP like they’re *real* fans when they don’t even know what they’re talking about.
Take for example 27:20
This kid doesn’t realize that this shift literally happened between the very first entry of the series and Fallout 2. If he actually played both, he’d know that the overall tone shifts MASSIVELY and that so many lore changes were made that a lot of fans of the first were just as buttmad about it as many are over the show.
Back in my day, A ghoul telling you that they were alive before the war was rare or a lie. Now every ghoul and their ghoul baby is pre war.
Actually the kid in a fridge is NOT an Indiana Jones reference.. but actually a reference to old fridges that could not be opened from the inside. It was depressingly common for children playing around junkyards to climb inside old fridges and get stuck.
Even more common were homeless people using fridges as shelters from inclimate weather not realizing they would not open back up
In both cases, it lead to horrific incidents where people would find corpses in old fridges
So its Fallout spoofing real world 50s era fuckups.
I will grant you that Bethesda really doesn't get how much time 200 years is. 3 and 4 feel like the bombs "JUST HAPPENED" meanwhile New Vegas feels like the world burned ages ago and society has struggled to rebuild.
With NV's take better reflecting the timeline given.
Yeah I hate the bombs just dropped feeling despite some of the games being set centuries later. Fallout 1 made more sense because it was closer, but we got further and further in time and Bethesda didn't really depict that so much. I guess there's only so many stories they can tell about society rebuilding and eventually when they do rebuild...it's over. But, some things just need to be over.
@@XegethraI think Fallout 3 could’ve done a lot better if it were say, at the same timeframe as Fallout tactics was, because they did indeed set out expeditions to hunt down the masters remnants and ended up in the Midwest. Bethesda could’ve EASILY have made the brotherhood of steel go further east to DC, and the faction being different than the previous games, the timeline, and also the hellscape of the Capitol would’ve made a lot more sense. They could’ve had their cake and eaten it too, at least in that aspect, but no, they just had to set it almost exactly 200 years after the bombs dropped
@@Gooeygiuseppe That would have been an option yeah, it would have also tied the games a bit closer together and been a bit more coherent.
The timeline was wonky even prior to Fallout 3. Fallout 1 takes place in 2161, and 2 in 2241. That's an enormous gap of 80 years that wasn't necessary, but instead they chose to push it that far into the future. There are so many different stories you could tell in an 80 year time period, it's insane. Fallout 3's 2077 takes place merely 35 years after the end of Fallout 2, which is still bad, but Fallout 2 set the precedent of enormous time skips. Fallout 76 was actually smart to go back in time to 2102 -- a reminder that you don't have to push the timeline forward, you can tell your stories at ANY point in the timeline.
Even something as simple as the power armor fusion cores is out of date by Fallout 2, because the lore states these things can operate for 100 years. You can maybe assume they have ways to recharge the batteries or make new ones, but by setting the games anywhere after 2177 (when the power cores would have died out by the earliest) all pre-war armor should be rendered inert. Unless you want to assume the battery only drains if it's in use, but even then the battery would be less powerful after so long of being left to rot.
My point is that if we had less absurd time skips, we could have Fallout 4 set in like 2205, or something like that, and there wouldn't be much of a problem.
@@rustledentity5511 that is true too
I just really hate how they set their games EXACTLY 200-210 years after the bombs dropped(other than 76), and yet the world feels like they stepped out of the vaults after like, a day
They’re so much more dead than the other ones and it really bothers me
When I see a new ghoul I see a man with no nose and go "where is your nose?"
When I see an old ghoul I go "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU!?"
The old ghouls gave off the image of a rotting man in a cloak in an alley looking at you and going "The fuck you looking at, normal!?" And i loved it.
that was exactly the cliche they were going for in the original fallout
easy to see with set
literally just give modern ghouls a fake nose and they're indistinguishable from everyone else.
bro sounds like he's on the verge of tears talking
> Legion pfp as well
He busted his vocal chords yelling at Todd Howard
average skirtboy fan tbh@@ballinmonke1893
most intelligent slop connoisseur.
he sounds like a little kid trying to put on his deepest voice
You forgot to mention that in Fallout 3 if you convince the residents at Tenpenny Tower to take the ghouls they eventually kill the inhabitants trowing them to a bunch of feral ghouls.
Why would they do that? Ghouls are like people most of the time
@@shadowcween7890resentment and high in group preferences
The ghouls were a group of communists, they resented that they were rejected access in the first place even though the reason was the thought that would be violent, which they proved themselves by deleting the lot of them, even the pro ghoul residents@@shadowcween7890
What did Bethesda mean by this?
@@russianoverkill3715 don't trust anybody in the apocalypse lol
Just putting this out there. Several days before the shows release there was at least one interview done with Walton Goggins where he talked about the behind the scenes as "The Ghoul". He admits the direction they went with was to make his character a "Sexy Ghoul". That term may very well have its origins from Goggins himself in regarding the shows portrayal at least. I've seen no one else reference this to my surprise but I do remember the interview. There were many done so it may take some time to go through em.
Bethesda really want moist pantaloons over what are supposed to be walking corpses. Whack
“I need to be able to see Walton and his performance, he needs to look like a Ghoul from the game, and he needs to be kind of hot,” - Nolan himself
Have you not seen the other ghouls in the show lmao
Remember the cowboy ghoul in Freeside, she was mad freaky
@@navarroboi Girls already wanna rub on that walking BV infection that is Hancock. It was already headed in that direction.
I've noticed the ghouls becoming less like walking talking corpses and more like zesty bipedal jerky. I think fallout 3 hit the perfect middle ground of horrifying creature of an abominable world and creature that can technically be described as alive believably
Absolutely. I hate that they’ve become the default snarky junkie rogue class in Fallout
@@Sublime_Light they aren't all junkies are they? i thought that was just something the tv show ghoul did
@@rougenarwhal8378 No, I didn’t say every ghoul. But it has become the common trope for ghoul characters in fallout 4 onward.
@@Sublime_Lightisn't that just goodneighbor though?
@@Sublime_Lighta whopping total of 2 characters, wow this franchise has really hit rock bottom
Seems there was quite a... fallout.. in the story from what it was originally.
😏
I hope this doesn't cause a Fallout between us. Fallout: New Vegas
Seems like silent hill… WENT DOWN HILL
Love to see 480p videos still going strong in the year of our lord, 2024.
Just noticed this, Christ I just thought his footage quality was bad.
I literally only watch in 480p because my Internet and phone can only handle that.
Honestly, there were shots of the Ghoul that, to me, just looked like Walter Goggins without a nose. Remember when they were supposed to be horrifying to look at?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
Honestly my guess is they just didn’t think general audiences would be sympathetic to a ghoul that actually looked creepy and gross
Weird because later in the show they show actual ghouls that look deformed, ig they just wanted to make him look badass instead of an actual ghoul
@@earhearthush-up5549nah that wouldn’t make sense because they made it seem super sad when Lucy had to kill the ghoul that kept saying her name was Martha
@@turtleboi1547
I guess I chose a poor word for what I meant, what I meant with Cooper is ‘relate’ or ‘admire’. Like you’re supposed to think he’s a badass.
But you’re mostly supposed to feel sad when you look at Martha and normal ghouls.
I lost it when in the tv show they showed the power armor with wrist flamethrowers being doubled as jetpacks
The worst iron man cosplay I’ve ever seen
Why? Jetpacks realistically need something to stabilise the person flying, especially when you have a giant metal suit
@@hiidenkiuas You missed the point. Power armor never was anything even remotely close to a fucking iron-man suit. It was a man-sized and custom-fitted tank for front-line use as shock troopers to distract fire away from other infantry units. It was never internally fitted with a jetpack, because that's not what they were built for.
Hell, even in fallout 4, the jetpack is an EXTERNAL upgrade, something you strapped on your back. The US military never built their power armour to be flying toasters for no real tactical reason whatsoever.
And while it may not be physically realistic to have that, you can always blame bethesda for that, not the original fallout writers who never included that silly shit to begin with.
Power armour could also never fly hundreds and hundreds of meters in the air, and become uncontrollable balloons by cutting a single oxygen pipe ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE ARMOR.
It also never had the weakness at the centre and FRONT of the armor that coop conveniently exploits but kinda forgets about when he's fighting maximus. Did david and dan from game of thrones write this episode?
The T-45 was supposed to be a prototype sent to the frontlines because of time restraint. It was less durable but not exceptionally vulnerable on the front of the torso, as far as I'm aware. The show made that crap up.
This was just bethesda retconning their own retconns again to make the brotherhood look cooler, because todd has a hard-on for cool imagery and nothing more.
@@RedFloyd469 that’s a whole lot of text, i can tell that you’re real passionate about the accuracy of a video game iron man suit
@@hiidenkiuasthe point is, power armor ISN'T an iron man suit. I HOPE they only did that decision to be inaccurate so it'd be easy to get the actor out of the costume.
I mean. Yeah, jets on the arm make sense on a jet pack (like IRL jetpacks) but... less so when you're missing the PACK part of jetpack.
imma be that guy, So in the show not only does "the ghoul" literally state he has to eat, when he's barrier its talked about how he's bet dug up before and then reburied, meaning that someone has been feeding him, and even after that they bring him a chicken because ghouls cant resist it.
It feels like Ghouls are starting to become the 'Argonians' of Fallout.
Unless they suddenly decide to bring back Deathclaws as Anthropomorphic Race of Reptiles in the Fallout TV show
I haven't played every fallout game but arent there already talking deathclaws? Probably wouldn't be too much of a stretch
@@nickhenson3093in Fallout 2 there was a vault full of them. The enclave did genetic testing that made them intelligent. You could even get one as a follower, Goris the pale deathclaw scholar.
I don’t think they’d ever make them a playable race tho. I’d like if they let you be a ghoul but nothing non-human.
Maybe if they wrote it well they could let you be super mutant, ghoul, or human for a Baldurs gate style party of characters. But I don’t think they’d pull that off. Also I’m sick of super mutants being in games where they don’t belong.
@@nickhenson3093That’s why he said “bring back”
What's the bridge between them and argonians?
Argonians have lore and physiological differences. Like in Morrowind you a beast race whos body parts dont even fit certain human armor. They have a sort of hive mind and a magic god tree that bleed a potion sap.
Then in skyrim they gave them one head type to make them not look like a Mer, disease immunity, water breathing and the beast race unarmed buff. Which isnt a skill now
27:20
The ironic thing is if you had talked to actual OG Fallout fans back in the late 90’s - early 2000’s, this is quite literally what they would have said as their main problem with Fallout 2 in comparison with the first.
I mean if you look back at reviews of 3 by those old fans they say fo3 is a good return to a more serious portrayal that fo1 offered
@@Xavier28200
Yep your observation is spot on, it was the narrative back then but now the narrative is Obsidian/Interplay nostalgia and Bethesda hate
Neither really has a solid connection to reality
@@earhearthush-up5549 this guy hasn’t even played 3 and acts like it’s anything like fallout 4, I replayed 3 and it’s not like it’s some wacky adventure, it’s a lot like fallout 1 in a lot of ways while fnv is a lot like fallout 2, and him saying fnv is grounded or realistic compared to 3 is hilarious no mate fallout has never been grounded or realistic and let’s be honest this kid was probably not old enough to even play 3 or fnv
@Xavier28200 Fallout 3 gets a lot more wacky than the first game does. Tranquility lane comes to mind, Canterbury commons, the republic of Dave, all of little lamplight, the robot who thinks it's a founding father. Even things that are played straight can be pretty silly, like the megaton choice and dad sacrificing himself for no reason or convincing the super computer enclave president to kill himself with a single speech check. The first game really only had a few random encounters like the tardis that were that wacky.
@GG-iv2tj the comment I was replying to compared 3's tone to that of the first game. I know the second is a lot wackier.
I've never liked 4's ghouls at all, they shouldn't be ancient quip spewing wrinkly humans who've lost body hair, their existence is pain and every moment not in pain would be one more closer to becoming feral, not something to be envied and caused by drugs
Says who? Lmao just because you don't like it doesn't mean it was never meant to be that way. And just because they were portrayed a certain way twice doesn't mean that's the only way to portray them.
@@mrcroob8563 "doesn't mean it was never meant to be that way"
Bethesda didn't create the original fallout. If the original creators wanted ghouls to be immortal burn victims, then the original creators would have made them that way, but that's not what happened, so that contradicts your statement entirely. There was a purpose to ghouls' existence in this franchise's overarching story, and bethesda retconned it. That's a simple fact.
The original creator, Tim Cain, had zero issues with anything bethesda made. He also liked the TV show. You people are justing calling people out because they like what you hate using your own 'head canon' logic and something like, "If you don't like what I like you are not true fans" Seriously they were right. Fallout fandom hate each other more than anyone else. And you people are the cause of that.@@RedFloyd469
@@ChibaBanana "b-but tim cain liked anything bethesda made so it's good!!" yeah and chris avellone is laughing at the products and its consumers, so what's your point? obviously tim isn't going to bite the hand that is (currently) feeding him by giving him his 5 minutes of spotlight after he made the game over 20 years ago, get real
@@ChibaBanana this is a very silly example. Even if George Lucas came out and said he enjoyed some of the new Star Wars shows, longtime fans are not then obligated to enjoy them also. Our opinions are not dictated by whatever creator you want to use for reference.
I enjoy his content and opinions, however he is not the arbiter of what Fallout is/should be. You have to be able to separate the creator from the art.
I’ve referenced him in my videos. But that is in reference to his original designed and motives for the original games that he made at the time they were released. An opinion 20 years later is just as valid as anyone else’s. Meaning you have to look at it objectively and come to your own conclusions.
Actually, I’m of the belief that the whole reason they’re adding the “ghoul juice” to the show is as a tease of a future gameplay mechanic in Fallout 5.
Because I’m of the belief that Bethesda wants to make Fallout more like The Elder Scrolls, and that means adding in multiple playable races in future Fallout games. I’ve suspected this was one major reason Fallout 4 took place in Boston as well, since they want to add Synths as one of the future playable races to Fallout 5 in order to get closer to parity with TES. Since then you could have Humans, Ghouls, Super Mutants and Synths all as playable races that use humanoid skeletons with different skins and scaling in character generation on game start (with a few different sub-race options for some of these options also as in TES, such as Vault-Dweller or Wastelander for humans and Gen 2 or 3 for synths).
The Ghoul Juice is going to be their in-game mechanic for the resources needed to balance out the bonuses they’re going to give Ghoul players, since as you’ve pointed out, Bethesda has basically made Ghouls extremely OP otherwise.
With Super Mutants it’s built in how they’re balanced - super strong and tough but they’ll have slow skill growth or XP growth or something to make them “dumb,” mechanically. For Ghouls they need something else, hence the juice.
Sounds like you want multiple races really badly and are trying to justify it.
@@mrcroob8563there's a joke I can make about what you just said but I wont lmao
If you rember you can play as a ghoul in fallout BOS. Bad/ok game butt I allways liked that u could be a ghoul
@@xx_isabel_the_wolf_xx3869 Hey nothing wrong with spreading the love!
what the fuck are you talking about buddy, ghoul will never be a playable race
Fantastic video. I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees right through the bullshit of fallout 4, 76 and the show.
Your quote “Bethesda loves fallout… iconography” is perfect. It’s been watered down to power armor and the vault boy.
But another thing with ghouls is their voices. In 3 and NV it sounds like their vocal cords are charred making their voices gravelly. In the show for sure and I think 4 and 76, they sound like normal people.
Bethesda sees fallout like a 1950s hipster mad max, they dont understand the themes nor they care about the lore. Amazing how the master never found vault 33 despite it was by spitting distance of the masters base. Then again people pretend this show is great and does not butcher the lore, but most of them are pretenders fallout 4 fans and tourists, they read a wiki article and pretend to know fallout.
Also i am gonna rant a bit about those people "fallout is a critique of capitalism" says the hipster tourist, where? It does not mention it at all, all they got is liberty prime from fallout 3, fallout is not about capitalism or the cold war, its about the politics and society of the post apocalypse, meaning not the past but the future after the disaster, fallout is not a warning about nuclear war as much as it is about "war never changes" meaning that humans are tribal and even after the apocalypse they will form factions and go to war with each other, which is a much more bleak and dark critique of humanity than the "red scare" or nuclear war.
The original idea for vault tec was that they will build space ships and go to space and the shi and the hubologists and the enclave in fallout 2 want to do those things. But bethesda is like the cyberpunk meme in which someone misses the point of cyberpunk entirely and says "wow cool trenchoat, i also wear sunglasses at night". Bethesda doesnt understand fallout, they see fallout as a surface level "1950s max max with 1930s music" its mad max for hipsters, when the themes of fallout are far more deeper than that.
Well the new fans they attracted believe that "modern guns dont belong in fallout" because they only played fallout 4 and the "never mess with fallout fans we unironically believe the extreme ideologues the games criticize" meme.
To which i say criticize how? If cesar's legion is a critique of fascism, even though he makes sense, that would mean that when mr house says the best line ever "if you want to see the results of democracy then look outside the window" (oooof) then the NCR is also a "extreme ideology" since the game "criticizes extreme ideologues" meaning that all the ideologues in the game are bad and if you believe in democracy or the republic, you are also extreme.
NOPE, all fallout is saying is that even after the apocalypse humans will form factions and go to war with each other and their governments wont be perfect and corrupt and humans will destroy its other and even now realizing this, we all would pick a faction and defend it, because humans are tribal and now you gonna attack me and dissagree with me because HUMANS ARE TRIBAL. This is far more deep than "critiquing capitalism and the red scare" or random 1930s music and 1950s nuclear family visuals.
In fallout 2 you had cities and factions with space programs and everyone used real money and shady sands became the new california republic and you had cars. In fallout 3 they went backwards, all technology became inferior, all civilization was gone and humans hid in a bunch of tiny settlements while there were super mutants everywhere in the city, who couldnt be there because super mutants were a fallout 1 thing that took place in the other side of the country and by that time there would be far less super mutants not more and they would never reach the other side of the country and of course everyone went back to using bottlecaps. By new vegas you had factions the size of small states going to war with each other, there was a progress on rebuilding civilization and repeating the mistakes of the past because humanity never changes, eventually there would be a space fallout like the game colony ship, i enjoyed seeing my actions affecting the wasteland and making it more advanced, meanwhile bethesda once again removed all of that with fallout 4 and made it a remake of fallout 3 where everyone is primitive again, the guns look even more crappy and ancient, barely any towns, super mutants are everywhere, everyone is back at using bottle caps as if nothing in the old games happened or had any effect. Then they did it again with fallout 76, again you just exit the vault and everything is empty, this time there are no npcs either, in a series of games that is well known for its good characters and dialogue choices.
The next fallout will be another fallout 3 remake that once again everything will look as if the bombs just dropped and there will be super mutants everywhere despite at this point they should have gone extinct as they cant have kids and you will build stuff everywhere like fallout 4, because bethessda, bethesda never changes, seriously starfield is basically fallout 4 but somehow worse without the cool falout lore from the old games to stand on and without a worldmap, which caused even the biggest bethesda fanboys to stop defending bethesda because this is what these clowns always liked about betheda games, the exploration of the worldmap, not that their games had a good story or rpg mechanics, they never did, except morrowind of course.
@@arkgaharandan5881 saying Fallout doesn't critique capitalism is a bit ignorant. The Vaults alone are a perfect example. The rich get saved and the rest get the Kowalski Shelters or have to find other ways to survive. That's just the surface level.
Imagine a franchise as big as Fallout can critique more than a few concepts
@@arkgaharandan5881 Imagine yapping so much about consistency and fake new fans and not even knowing that the mutants in Fallout 3 don't come from the Master's army but from Vault 87. Also, what's the problem if the east coast doesn't have nation states like the west? After the fall of the Roman Empire Italy and Germany remained a mess of city states for centuries, it makes sense to have part of the country more anarchic than another
@@doctorteapot5480 facepalm, its this crap again, does your feeble brain realize the reason they added that piece of lore was because people were complaining?
I am not even gonna bother responding to the other nonsense, so you think its normal that in fallout 4 they have skeletons in the dinner they are actively using? Did no one even bother cleaning up?
The IG is gone after the soft reboot of Fallout 4.
The show was Todd going schorched earth on the well established west coast and turning into the same whacky theme park as the east.
He destroyed this IP.
The lack of T-51 power armor on the WEST COAST BoS is just bewildering to me. Really forcing in their shitty T-45 knock-off. “Durr Ad Victorium” 🤪
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that compares Bethesda fallout to an apocalyptic theme park.
@@demondeity9816My review on my other channel had the verdict that the TV Show was a theme Park Ride themed after Fallout, don’t think about it much.
@@benjaminkemer6428what’s the channel name?
@@navarroboi Okay yeah but the T-45 is an objectively cool and iconically designed set of power armor, it's the T-60 that's a ridiculous case of inferiority complex one-upping.
“Bethesda felt to need to make ghouls attractive”😂😂 I think that’s just you bro
If you look at the show, there's tons of ghouls that literally look like they are rotting.
Which episode
@@mcnuttington7122 The ghoul that the ghoul kills by shooting in the head is literally rotting, plus all the ghouls that Lucy encounters including her mother.
The only thing I can kinda forgive is live action ghouls being less rotten. Its pretty impractical to be caked in full body makeup or some weird prosthetic for hours on end
The way I interpreted the juice for the ghoul was that the dude was already hundreds of years old, and the juice is a necessity at a certain point to not go feral, I didn't see it as like "oh I've been a ghoul for a week and I will go feral unless I drink the yummy fluid". The person we saw converting in the show was around for a long time most likely since the ghoul knew him
The ghoul lore has always been messy, stuff like one ghoul in fallout 2 that was buried alive for two weeks, but under Bethesda things got so much worse
the biggest problem with bethesda is that they think 200 years is 20 years
Regarding The Ghoul being buried in the Fallout show, I believe it isn't a callback to the goofy side mission with Billy in Fallout 4. Instead, it appears to reference the Fallout 2 quest "Rescue Coffin Willie," which involves unearthing a ghoul who had been buried for months
bro doin a ghoul voice throughout the video
About the show...
I believe the "ghoul juice" is only for ghouls who are already in the process of going feral, thus not every ghoul would need it. It's also probably a recent invention in the world.
I also do believe the whole not needing food/water thing is stupid, and that the Fallout 4 quest is incredibly dumb, but I'm still not sure the show is adherent to that logic. You could very easily say the IV also contained fluids for Cooper, as well as nutrients to sustain him, although it would be a bit of a stretch. It might make more sense to say ghouls could hibernate honestly, given how so many feral ghouls seem to go a long while without any food. Fallout 4 does however seem to say ghouls still need food though, given there's a quest relating to the brotherhood where an initiate sneaks food to a bunch of feral ghouls underneath the Boston Airport.
Also, in the show's defence, we don't actually know if Thaddius is a ghoul, for all we know he could have been turned into a kind of mutant, as it's not like Cooper regrew his finger after Lucy bit it off.
One of the biggest opportunities less utilized is how the culture they grew up with changed over 220 years. For perspective, 220 years ago from right now, Thomas Jefferson was the US president and he was purchasing the Louisiana territory from Emperor Napoleon. Ohio recently became a State.
Like when that one BoS guy says,"This wasteland sucks!" Dude that's like a millennial complaining about how many trees were killed to make books across history or something else ridiculously cringe.
"This wasteland sucks," is no different than people saying their country sucks when they're frustrated with how things are going, no? Is it just a bad thing, to you, because it was said in Fallout?
@@chipputer They wouldn't be thinking of it as a wasteland, as they would have nothing else to compare it to, especially after 220 years. Our government changes every 4-8 years.
@@Hypnotically_Caucasian probably doesnt know what a wasteland actually is, language might have been drained of some words
@@JNJNRobin1337 It's like people hate to think about stuff... obviously the term lost it's original meaning. The term wasteland was quite overused in original Fallout too. It probably lost it's original meaning of "nothing grows, everything sucks" to meaning - "the country" or as Australians might say "the bush". BoS guy was probably raised in the comforts of the compounds of BoS and once released to fend on himself in the actual wasteland he realized how much it actually sucks - like don't get me wrong, better writer might use the opportunity to bring up some more eloquent dialogue but he is supposed to be a guy with like 3 INT at best so what did you expect?
At this point the SCORCHED are better Ghouls than the Ghouls Bethesda has made, And that's because they look like they're literally burning from the inside out (which they are, bc that's what Ultracite infection DOES).
They're not immortal, but can survive a reasonably long time until they eventually cool and petrify. They have a pseudo hivemind, which can connect them to a degree and explains their unnatural aggression even in small packs. The one in charge is a super mutated bat that is so hard to kill you have to nuke her and then, while in the cloud, have enough people and firepower to actually _hurt her._ obviously this is possible to stop bc Whacky Zany Looter Shooter BUUUUT.
Let's not forget that unless you're basically a robot, super mutant (urgh), or a weird cryptid, you can be infected and Scorched! Even short term exposure, or a scratch, seems to be capable of infecting you, to say little of the gases that could burst from them. It's incurable, and innoculation came pretty much too late to matter, with too little supply to even prevent outbreaks.
On the paper... Bethesda made the perfect Ghoul in the Scorched- terrifying, zombie-like, and you will become one of you are not careful with them. But they put them in the worst* game, and ruined Ghouls forever.
*By sheer comparison, 76 is the worst Fallout game made so far. I personally think it's okay- certainly something to kill time with- but still bad in its own way
76 hater detected, opinion ignored
@@qwart22 I actually don't hate 76- I think for what it is, it's an attempt at something they didn't have much knowledge of in-house and it came out unfinished. I'd argue in since aspects it beats out fallout 4, but it's clear they need a better writing staff.
I enjoy 76, it's just not an instant pick for me on any given day boredom
I mean Brotherhood of Steel is far far worse. Wtf was that game? Lmao. I actually like many aspects of 76 more than 4. 4 to me is just awful
@@navarroboi straight up they should not be in the East.
@@qwart22 Your opinion has been ignored for being idiotic, thank you have a nice day.
Regarding Ghouls, I was never comfortable with Moira Brown somehow surviving a full blown nuclear blast. Ghouls within Fallout 3 alone die from flamethrowers and grenades, or they die because you ignited a gas leak in the Subway. What does all this have to do with a nuke? A nuke releases a blast with heat, and I mean hot. Hotter than the napalm you are spewing out of a flamethrower. Then there’s the power of the supersonic shockwave. More pressure than just a grenade shockwave. Putting those two factors together. It’s absurd that Moira wasn’t vaporized. I thought Ghouls were from being exposed to radioactive Fallout after the bomb.
Well, at least we can excuse it with the nuking of Megaton not being canon so it TECHNICALLY didnt happen in lore.
@@guilhermehank4938 Was there a book saying the official story of Fallout 3? If so, I might like to read it
@benjaminkemer6428 technically yes but it's in the manual of a special edition but many don't consider it canon but Fallout 4 does mention Megaton and apparently it had grown in the 10 years since 3 so it wasn't canonical destroyed
the reason they did it was because they want you do that quest, bethesda does not understand fallout, they just want to shove their 50s max max hipster amusement park down your throat.
At least New Vegas implies with appearance of "Wasteland Survival Guide" book that completion of that quest with Moira Brown is canon
29:25 I think it’s just jet. Ghouls have been fond of jet since the fallout 2 (I think). If you’ve been around for 200 years, every day would go by much faster relatively speaking, so jet would slow it down and make time go by “normally,” which may also have a psychologically benefit idk. This is my head canon.
My personal theory about the ghoul juice is that it was supposed to be drugs: jets, psycho, buffout, mentats, med x. It kinda makes sense for the ghoul to be overpowered - he's just high on psychojet in every combat encounter. He even takes in the juice vial the exact same way you're supposed to take in the jet.
But this being a popular show by a big corporation, I presume they didn't want to create a positive image for drugs. Thus the drugs were removed (do they even exist in the show?) and changed for a mcguffin where it had plot relevancy.
To be fair, chems or drugs in Fallout games aren’t exactly good. Your character can become addicted to them and can have withdrawal symptoms (stat and skill penalties)
@@KaosNova2 Any bonuses (including more damage, more acton points, more special stats, more damage resistance, slowing down time), even with some and minor downsides, could be considered as glorification of drug use. And just in general, references to drug usage in media can be hard. Just a reminder that Med X was supposed to be morphine, but had to be changed for censorship reasons.
@@KaosNova2 Also, you can avoid the negative effects of any addiction by just taking more drugs, which is clearly a no-no in terms of showing it to the wide public.
@@yaldabraxas Well that’s a likely reference to how people in addiction recovery take drugs to lessen the withdrawal symptoms, such as giving heroin addicts methodone to make all the spasms, itching, vomiting, etc, less severe.
@@KaosNova2 ... it's also a reference to the fact that a drug addict takes more drugs to feel, what their body thinks is, normal and the best way to translate that into gameplay is to just debuff you until you take more drugs.
I agree 100% with everything said , it's been increasingly frustrating being a Fallout fan, good video👍
The child in the fridge did not sit there for 200 years. A few days before players exit vault 111, the minuteman city of Quincy was raided by gunners. Big battle happend and minutemen lost, Preston and everyone he could grab fled, and ended up at the museum of freedom. When that attack was happening the kid run away and had hidden in the fridge. The old fridges in fallout are based on real fridges with latch mechanism, that had 1 main flaw, it cannot be opened from the inside. Some children died and so we have magnetic fridges today. So the kid was ghoulified like 200 years ago in some bunder alog with his parents, They survived this far ,and during quincy raid the kid just locked himself in a fdridge for couple days.
My headcanon the Ghoul from the series simply has the Rad child perk
Ghouls in the show don't regenerate, the ghoul had to cut off a fresh finger and sew it on, the squire is a super mutant not a ghoul
And what fucking sense does that make if his cells are deteriorating? he is a ghoul. there is no limb reattachment. The finger WILL die.
He might not regenerate, though I seem to remember him shrugging off several shots during the shootout in that first main city they go to, forget its name.
This sounded like a rant you’d be trying to desperately escape from an unhinged coworker
And it's amazing
I hate how ghouls and super mutants have totally stopped them coming up with any new mutant humans or even doing anything interesting with fev
I like how new vegas, despite being set in a far less irradiated zone, actually not only comes up with SEVERAL new mutated species, it actually takes it's time to explain their origin. It even introduces species we don't directly see, but only hear lore-entries about.
This means so much more room for exploration of these mutated creatures and their effect on people around them. Fun quests around exterminating or wrangling them for sustenance, etc...
The only thing fallout 4 introduced were those lizards in far harbor and the mirelurk queen.
A second thing I hate about bethesda fallout is how their idea of fun new enemies is just making them bigger. The mirelurk queen is quite boring, and for fallout 76 things just became utterly ridiculous.
Fallout essentially turned into a theme park for old iconic imagery and godzilla monsters that make no sense within the setting.
@@RedFloyd469fr like whatever happened to the terrifying centaurs, deathclaw mothers, cazadores and lakelurks
@@ethangilbert4896 Well, fallout 76 has explained some cryptids as being mutants. Like Snallygasters.
@@ethangilbert4896 deathclaw mothers are still in the newer games we also have mirelurks stingwings bloodbugs and mutant hounds
Yeah of like doing literally anything else creative
It's heavily implied that the serum Thadeus took was FEV, since the first fallout it's implied that ghouls are highly durable, they aren't just burn victims, since the first fallout you can fucking dismember them and they still go after you, and cooper does not regenerate, he gets shot, but he's still kicking, and you said it yourself, it's a fucking iv bag, do you think you just simply eat while you are in a coma? iv bags feed you nutrients directly onto your bloodstream. It's also implied its not some magical serum, but a form of radaway, keeping the radiation at bay
Are you plugged into an IV of copium right now?
@@patrickbateman312 Are you going to tackle any of his points or?
@@MrGister9999 none of his points make sense so?
No, wasn't planning on it.
@@patrickbateman312 well that's a very convenient answer.
@@MrGister9999 Yeah lemme just waste my time responding to his cope to justify crappy bethesda writing.
The jokes about having sex with a ghoul and their consequences on the Fallout franchise
36:10 kind of like tracking fobs from the Mandalorian. Unexplained gadgets whose very existence breaks the lore of the setting, with nonsense mechanics, that only exist for dumb plot reasons that could've been replaced by something more interesting (such as the Mandalorian's skill as a bounty hunter, or the Ghoul having a chem addiction or a debilitating illness beyond/or partially caused by his ghoulification).
You're right, The Ghoul states that he's constantly high on a dozen different drugs, All they had to do was make the ghoul addicted to Jet or some other shit and that's what the two men were making instead of a weird organ harvesting operation with rotting feral ghouls.
@@dogg6628 those organs last longer in the slowly aging ghoul than a fridge tho
All the big lore channels are also fully accepting of the show, just as most of the people are, it's Joever.
It’s bidone
its like a hivemind
big celebrity says "show good!!" and everyone agrees
@czarnakoza9697 or... people just like it, and there's no bigger conspiracy.
@@SnaxMang silence consoomer
@czarnakoza9697 Bruh, you criticized a show for having unique characters. Something every show does. Criticising them having lucy need to learn the world? Something fallout 1 is specifically all about? Hell, most fallout games are about? Not to mention, it makes for a decent audience stand in. I don't think you have much logical ground to stand on.
I've always thought it would be cool to play a ghoul in fallout games 😎
FO3 was originally supposed to have that option
You can in 4.
In the next game ghouls will only have minor scars, drink dirty water to not go feral, and all be tagged as essential NPC's (It's lore accurate now)
Bethesda after seeing Fallout NV establishing a story that advances past the apocalypse and shows a natural progress of societies: nooooo the fallout universe has to be stagnant and not advance one milimeter forward 😡😡😡
Ah yes, let's just make sure we make the world advance so that, in the end, we're playing in a post-apocalyptic pre-apocalyptic world and have to come up with some contrived reason to make a game.
And before you say they shouldn't make a game, then, you're incredibly uninformed about how game development and investors work.
@@chipputer why did they make the gek an atom resequencer anyway.
who made it? wheres their technology?
fallout 5 is doomed to suck with how this is going.
Of course. Just look at starfield lol
*starslop
That's if we even get another Fallout. Bethesda has run out of goodwill after 76 and Starfield. I don't anticipate TES6 coming anytime soon, and it will probably suck ass when it does.
@@cheesehead8952 starfield is just fallout 4 without the cool fallout lore, bethesda had to make their own stuff and they sucked....and no worldmap, which is what most of the bethesda fans play these games for and they dont understand why people have issues with bethesda's writing and lack of rpg mechanics.
I feel like potentially the drug could be explained with the show being the latest we’ve seen in the timeline. As time goes on, more ghouls experience brain decay and potentially we see the development of a drug to stave off the effects. I know Bethesda hasn’t been super consistent on this, but it’s not like new drugs haven’t been developed post-war in the lore, like Jet. Maybe someone mixed some pre-war alzheimer’s medication with some dishwasher detergent or something and found it delayed the brain decay of ghouls that were losing their minds at a exponentially faster rate. Maybe in the decade since the last game, we start to see the pre-war ghouls’ time finally run out. It’d be quite a lucrative market with repeat customers, who if they’ve been alive this long are likely very capable of acquiring caps to keep your pockets full.
I dunno, I’m not against it in concept. I do wish it was more developed though. I know we’re only in season 1, but just anything to fill in those blanks a bit would’ve been great.
The problem with this ideal is theirs large civilizations anymore so mass production of magic ghual drugs wouldn't make since
Adding on: There's also the chance that that the ghoul serum is a regional scam, in that the effect is there but negligible. Withdrawal from it makes ghoulification worse or imitates its symptoms.
The Fallout show being "cannon" should probably be taken with a grain of salt as well because Bethesda absolutely sucks at maintaining consistency in their world building. Hell they introduced the concept of "Dragonbreaks" in TES to explain their repeated and constant major retcons with every new game.
Bethesda cannot understand fallout, they ruined the lore. Thanks for making this video.
No they didn’t. You’re just overly fixated on small details. Get over it
Based Harold
@@aguy2162 Yes they did, you're not paying attention to "small details" (Entire groups/races of people who in part are a defining aspect of the fictional world) , open your eyes
@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638 Well the former devs like both 3 and New Vegas so the only people who care are those who can't get over the fact that their obscure little franchise is now far more different and popular
@@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638Neither did the OG devs. There's vids and vids of conflicting and retconned info that the original devs did themselves before Bethesda, or reconsider they wanted to do so Bethesda did it for them.
You know how Fallout 4 could have justified "prettier" Ghouls? Have the game take place earlier in the timeline. Maybe your vault in that game could have been one of the first to open...
But no
That would also explain why everything seens so destroyed and why most houses seen makeshift
Regarding the kid
You can notice since fallout 3 that in Bethesda's universe feral ghouls often play dead until you come near. I guess they have some kind of hibernation mechanisms in their body allowing them to "sleep" for long time. Kinda like bears in winter.
200 years is still dumb tho.
Fallout 3 Ghouls spawn and run at you in the overworld, or turn from what they are doing and rush at you in the underground portions of the map. Fallout 4 has it that they get up from lying down on the ground . Either way, good point, not sure how they got their sustenance without visitors, but then again, we’re thinking more about it than the writers
Dude honestly i just choose to believe the kid was just lying
Always thought ghouls are from the FEV wave over the wasteland that turned them to ghouls together with the radiation
A lot of people do. But that was never the case. FEV created super mutants not ghouls. Idk where that idea came from but a large amount of people in the comments are also under that impression.
@@Sublime_Light Bethesda said at one point that a super early strain of the FEV (FEV-0) leaked out pre-war and infected basically everyone. It's harmless normally, but if you get exposed to radiation it causes the ghoul transformation. The second strain (FEV-1) is what creates East Coast super mutants and the third and final strain(FEV-2) is what creates West Coast super mutants.
@@Sublime_Light it came from Avellone from Fallout Bible.
drives me crazy in the show how they made zero attempt at ghoulifying goggin’s voice and how his main “proesthetic” was a bald cap and they cgi’d out his nose
I get what you're saying and agree mostly, devil's advocate thought: I was relieved in terms of not having to strain to completely understand the voice. Even a minor deepening and a little gravel would have been great though.
Having never played Fallout 1 and 2, I gotta say that keeping that design around makes for much better world building. In Fallout 4, for example, prejudice against Ghouls is a pretty major part of the lore, but in the game they don’t even look that offensive.
If they retained their original look then it makes more sense that wastelanders would act bigoted towards them
My dude, people with slight skin tone differences are treated poorly by others and you're thinking it would take looking like a literal zombie to have people be prejudiced against ghouls?
@@chipputer well i mean. modern ghouls seemingly just look like people without noses, does that count as slight difference?
Yk, say what you will of 76 and 4 I think 3 and New Vegas translated the tone and style of the originals near perfectly in my opinion... Rest in peace to Adam Adamowicz.
i agree 4 and the show fucked up the lore but saying fallout was always serious is just plain wrong
Don't forget that after you let the ghouls into Tenpenny Tower (with the consent of the residents), the ghouls will slowly begin to kill people. And when you come to this tower a week or two later, there will be only ghouls in it, and the corpses of the inhabitants are hidden in one of the rooms.
Therefore, people’s fears for their safety when rotting zombies are walking nearby are completely justified
This tempts me to play it again. I lost my patience and killed Tenpenny on his own Balcony
@@KaosNova2 I also have another theory about Tenpenny - what if EU (including Britain) in Fallout universe survive, and now sees america as a safarii park with mutans, etc.? Like, how the old english gentelman can have the tower with security, in the middle of nowhere? And also have money for this from like also nowhere.
@@NishyDedMoros There’s also the Irishman named Colin Moriarty in Megaton with his saloon. Back in Fallout 1, one of the pre-builds for your character was Natalya. She was of Russian descent and was there because her parents were diplomats. (Don’t quote me on it because I need to figure out how to run old Fallout games on my PC again and it has been a while. But what if a similar situation happened with Tenpenny’s family, what if some Brits were in the USA when the nukes happened and got in the vaults like Natalya’s parents and grandparents because they were VIPs from England?
i don't get why people sympathize with ghouls in fallout 3 or 1
@@r32guy85 The reason isn’t so much you sympathize with the ghouls but the player and by extension their character isn’t bloodthirsty to kill the ghouls in the situation. In Fallout 1, the main reason why many new players don’t kill all the Ghouls is because that same encounter is where you first meet the Super Mutants and in Fallout 1, those guys are far more of a threat than Ghouls are to you. Even when you meet them, they are giant brutes who want to kill you. It’s like seeing a coyote, then seeing a huge Grizzly Bear.
Another amazing video, amazing points once again. Thank you for gracing my notifications page once again. 🙏❤
I would be fine with Ghouls being able to heal their issues with a kind of FEV that can repair DNA instead of shielding it like with Super Mutants.
Van Buran had a ghoul doctor doing things just like that but it was involving cross breeding Ghouls and Humans in order to do so IIRC.
"Tactics had my favorite ghoul designs... Dillon was a good one."
If the child in the fridge was a glowing one, I could believe he’d survive. Though I’m not sure if it’s actually lore, but I believe some ghouls can survive on radiation, making glowing ones, who emit radiation, self sufficient. That’s why you’ll often find a glowing one alone in a locked room.
Your Fallout 3 works fine unfortunately it doesn't play well with Windows 10 or above but if you look online you can find a workaround
I’m glad others didn’t like the anti feral juice in the show. That shit was dumb to me. Another thing. The magic “ghoul tracker” that tracked the radiation left by ghouls but magically ignored the radiation of everything else around them????
The ghoul juice makes them impossible to exist full stop. I've heard people use the cope argument of its radaway. They really have destroyed everything that fallout is. It's now just a stupid wacky world full of cousin sex and bad jokes
But if you say that people will try to convince you Fallout has always been stupid nonsensical bullshit the whole time
@@Sublime_Light it has tho. Honestly the way you talk about the games makes it seem like you haven't played any of the originals. media literacy is a real thing that should be learned.
I refuse to accept the show as canon, I don't care what the creators say, if my fanon makes more sense than canon im going my way
The show is definitely not canon.. Ghouls aren't Wolverine or have an Anti-Feral Serum...
And the show claims Vault-Tec dropped the bombs instead of China..
@@1Hol1Tiger literally, its boring and lazy writing, a well designed show with a rushed plot imo, but because they authorized it bethesda now thinks they need to die on this hill that everything in it is canon
@@1Hol1TigerVault-Tec dropping the bombs has been a prevalent fan theory though. I presume the writers scrolled through top reddit posts just to get ideas what to do with the show.
@@yaldabraxas Likely, but the game makes it clear that China did it
stimpaks can turn you from barely living to like new in all the games.
Refund on Steam, if you "cant even open it" then you are/were far below the threshold of hours.
Then buy it again a day or so after either you are slightly lying or leaving out information trying to make Steam sound bad for nothing
Is nobody else just assuming the chem “the ghoul” was drinking was rad away, I’m only saying that cus in 4 and 76 you usually find it on them.
You mentioned how fallout 3 doesn't open for you. If the launcher opens, and your using an nvidia card, theres an extremely easy fix you can try that worked for me. In the program settings tab within the 3d settings section of the nvidia control panel, select fallout 3 in the program selection and set the preferred graphics processor to your nvidia card, also do this for the fallout 3 launcher.
"uH tHe NeW gHoUlS aRe MoRe ReAlIStIc" no they're boring
Eh more realistic if we are talking about bzrn victims, their modelers probably did not want long time scarring and ptsd.
Believe me, some drug addicts are worse in real life, and i am all for the idea of physicaly handicapped and actualy rotting ghouls in fangames or other media that is probably not gonna be official.
@@CreativeUsernameHere-r1k the new fans argue the old ghouls would've fallen apart years ago, but they miss the point of them being able to survive because of radiation. A 200 year old person would actually look more frail than half the ghouls from the show and FO4 anyway even without ghoulification. I don't really care if it makes more sense or not for them to look so dull, the original designs were far creepier, badass and fascinating. In fact, old fallout looked a lot more terrifying than it does now. The world is literally dying, the atmosphere reflected that perfectly in the original. We will never see The Master like abomination again in fallout and that is pretty sad imo.
@@NewOrderOfAlexandria The news games have some cool art direction in some ways, like FO76's nature team had great ideas, but the fact is that FO4 and FO3 are both bad in some extreme ways, FO4 having so much colour was a sidestep imo, but having so much pre war ameircana everywhere was a crime. Fallout was and is not a simple post apocalyptic game, it's more... It's a post nuclear role playing game, it's in a civilisation that is beyond the appocalypse, Fallout 2 already had the first steps of this return... Newly built houses, less ragged post war items... same with FNV. Yes some areas are tribal, or raider ridde but not like 3 where people acted amost like survivors from a vault... I get it that nylon and polyester clothes would last into the 2300s but Fallout had isues with petrol suplies.
@@CreativeUsernameHere-r1k certain parts of Fallout could still look run down realistically, but Diamond City should be like New Vegas in FO4, the fact it's just the football stadium is crazy, how humans didn't take out all the feral ghouls, raiders and super mutants in the area 200 years after the nuke is silly, I was so disappointed getting there after seeing New Vegas and it's many districts leading into the central strip was insane. The whole of Boston should be populated like some cyberpunk city, only the countryside should be a barren wasteland. Bethesda Fallout feels like limbo, they just never evolve past the "post-apocalypse" state
@@NewOrderOfAlexandria They were trained on medieval fantasy games, where 5000k years and no big changes are okayish, move some borders and it's fine.... that's why I hate the base building idea in fallout... dude we should not be in a time where stuff needs to be built from the ground up everywhere, but in something of a new civilisation. Not a shamble but say a teocrathic tribal society at minimum or even high functioning feudal systems or some advanteruous other ideas.
I agree with all your points here. Great video.
Kid in a fridge would have worked better if the kid was only trapped in there for a few days, maybe a week or two but no more than that. Some sort of blockage or jamming could be the reason he got stuck and you have to remove that. But no, what we got is just opening the door...something he should have been able to do? Maybe have the fridge submerged partly in water so he can drink for those few days or use trapped moisture.
Honestly the kid couldve just been lying 🤷🏻♂️
@@stefanobiscut Could have been, but the game plays it straight and doesn't hint at it so I don't think it's that deep.
@@Xegethra yea just my own head cannon so it makes sense lol
Some old fridges couldn't be opened from the inside. It's also just a really, really dumb but quirky thing meant to make you go have a small chuckle and then decide if you want to be a horrible person or not. In that order. Nothing more, nothing less.
One of these days I want to see another group of fans hyper fixate on one thing so much, though. Especially when it's clearly not meant to be taken super seriously.
@@chipputer yea thats true too
20:40 ghouls have always been delightfully pretty, regardless of which game, but maybe thats just me :))
Point of contention. When/if you nuke the NCR or Legion base at the end of Lonesome road, I don't think the marked men you fight there are the soldiers who were stationed there. I think its just some marked men who moved in thanks to the radiation, which is what actually keeping them alive while the winds of the divide rips the skin off them.
When you nuke it the soldiers there are ghouls. Not marked men. The marked men are only in the divide and can only live there because of the radiation. They look completely different they are not the same. What is the contention?
@@Sublime_Light That was my contention. Maybe you are right, I haven't nuked either side in Lonesome Road in years. I thought it was marked men that spawned there, like in the courier's mile.
Did you watch the video? The footage during that part is of my playthrough when I'm at the nuked base. Those are regular NCR ghouls. Not the red marked men ghouls.
@@Sublime_Light Mainly podcasted it, sorry
Speak in your normal voice. That vocal fry, man.
Didn't watch the show, but perhaps the ghoul juice is just false hope? Maybe it doesn't actually do anything and eventually everyone will learn of this? Again, I didn't watch it so I wouldn't really know how it works in the show.
The show makes it pretty clear that Ghouls have to ingest this "Juice" in order to stop them from turning feral. There was a Super Duper Mart scene where there were a couple of junkies who seemed to either be dealing or even somehow manufacturing it. No further details given or exploration in this location other than there were Ghouls, Normal and Feral which get unleashed in this scene. For all intents, the Juice is a straight up random Game-like mechanic put into the show with fuck all explanation.
@@randallflagg7637 from what you said about the production process... It makes it even less likely the effects of the drug are legit. Could be a clever ruse?
Placebos are in fact, real.
@@randallflagg7637 There's no actual elaboration on what the juice is. There's just Sexy Ghoul using it and insisting it's what keeps him sane, one other ghoul going feral that he kills and eats, asking for said drug, and then a bunch of locked up feral/nearly feral ghouls inside of a store that also has a literal body chop shop that allowed Lucy to replace her finger.
We have zero information outside of that and it's irresponsible to do anything other than theory craft but you seem to want to pass it off as fact and get all up in a tizzy about it when we have a season 2 confirmed that will, likely, help explain more.
Nobody seems to want to get all pissy about the drug the squire takes that allows him to suddenly heal all of his wounds, just the ghoul one. Neither of them are explained. The ones that do get pissy all seem to assume the drug turned him into a ghoul despite us having no real indication of it doing so and no other information exists, yet, to help us figure it out.
There was a fan fic RUclips series I remember watching. The ghoul side kick had to fight to keep sanity in check. High stress situations like fire fights made this worse. It's interesting to see ghouls as ticking time bombs. Your best friend even mentor one day and frothing mad man the next.
Fallout new vegas was the last real fallout game.
Fallout 4 and 76 are part of Bethesda's fanfiction
even 3 tried
Yeah like, 4 is a fun game, but it doesnt feel like fallout beyond the surface level. It should have been an independent game
@@generalgrievous2202 For real. I have about 700hrs in both Fo4 and New Vegas. If it wasn't for beauty mods for Nora and settlements mods, I wouldn't have more than 120hrs in it. The only thing Fo4 has on NV is that it doesn't feel like Oblivion with guns anymore.
Thanks for making a video about an aspect of lore consistency. I'm not a Fallout fan (more of an appreciator of 1,2 and New Vegas) but even I can tell that having Bethesda and Fraud Howard having control of the franchise it will become unrecognizable to those who appreciate the foundation of the lore. The future of the Fallout franchise is a bleak as the original games.
0:00 this perfectly describe Bethesda. all the luster but no substance.
Really good comparison vid. Watched your other vids and I love the content, keep it up!
I hope what we did to ghouls doesn't cause a fallout between us. Fallout: New Vegas.
ghouls WERE hot they just stopped being hot in fo4
Possible theory: humans are adapting to the radiation
The sole good thing about the show was introducing me to channels such as this
Kid in the fridge does more damage to the lore of fallout than any single game did.
Someone weird must’ve came up with the idea for that quest.
You didn’t even mention how the parent are right down the road for 200 years and didn’t find their son. Or anyone else
It’s crazy how much 1 joke of a quest affected fallouts history and future.
The quest is dumb, goofy, fun, yeah, but you also need to keep in mind that, "right down the road," is a gameplay thing, not a reality thing. The map is condensed to make it easier for the player to traverse.
@@chipputer you’re right about that detail I didn’t consider that
I found the logic of your commentary very refreshing and funny at the same time. You make solid points
I don't think Ghouls were ever *decaying*, they jsut came off that way.
because its simple, they dont decay..at least how they think. for a ghoul to stay healthy they need to keep their bodies safe
They do decay. Ghouls tell you that in multiple games. That’s why they look like zombies. They just live for a very long time and can survive most non-fatal damage to their bodies somehow.
@@Sublime_Light the reason why the ghouls in fallout 1 look significally way worse than the other ghouls in other games is due to them being constantly targeted and shunned by humans, which in turns gets them harmed in the process. the fact alone that they also live within a still eradiated power plant dosent help their skin problem. there is only so much things you can heal from until you start to look deformed
@@Mentallyheld no, they decay profligate. All ghouls are maimed by people or other because they are shunned? Some backward ass rationalization right there.
@@Sublime_Light did you even read it right?? i am not denying they still decay after all they are human
but what i am saying is that they look SIGNIFICALLY way worse due to massive intake of radiation due to the places they live which dosent make their looks..good great. and as well the constant abuse they get from humans and attack which leaves them more disfigured
(also another serious note to take. the reason why most ghouls in 1 and 2 look so different is due because this people are ORIGINALLY from the pre-war aka when they first saw the bombs falling which also left them horrifying scarred, some got out better..than the others)
(The fridge) The worst part is if they wanted to do the Johns reference than they could’ve just had the fridge be the kids safe space that he goes to when he’s stressed but one day the fridge door gets jammed and the player finds the kid a day after, then after talking to the boy you find out that that’s where he hid when the bombs fell and so that’s where he goes whenever he’s stressed out.
This is better because that way his parents don’t look retarded and the world’s lore doesn’t get broken except for the fact that the boy hasn’t grown up.
I appreciate the honest and objective approach to this issue. Thank you for being genuine and not a shill like some bigger youtubers that shant be named
That’s why I made these videos actually. I was so sick of what the fallout community was putting out that I said fine I’ll do it myself. Tried to make the content I wanted to see from the fallout community. I’m happily surprised there are so many people who feel the same way
One question...or more. Just to be clear: You need a waterchip, to produce purified water, right? Ghouls were since F1 immune against radiation, right? If thats the case, why did they need a waterchip in the first place? They can also drink irradiated water. Did i get that right? Because, if that's the case, Black Isle hat a really big hole in their own writing. And to the kid in the fridge: that was some brainfart that some producer had, not thinking enough. I don't take it as canon, but curiosity...