@@asmith7876 I've always heard otherwise. What does that really mean though? When I was in school and was taught that hot water freezes faster than cooler water. I immediately began experimenting. I found that half of the time, hot water did freeze faster.
I own a TeePee style hot tent and a small Winnerwell stainless steel stove. I would love to try both products you demonstrated in this video. The Riley Stove Co. Flapjack wood stove and especially the Seek Outside Silex 1P XL tent. Thanks for the very informative video. I'll be checking out the rest of your videos soon.! Good Luck to you!
Man what a decent set-up for the money! A few modifications here and there and it would do its job well I bet. I hadn't realized Seek Outside recently modified their zipperless shelter to offer a version that can accept a stove. A bit quirky because it didn't start its life as a hot tent centric design, so it'll have its limitations for sure, but kind of neat to see a break from the usual hot tent geometries! I can definitely see this being a decent setup for a young person looking to get into the hobby and willing to spend the time to ponder and implement ways that work around their gears limitations to increase safety, convenience, and comfort. It's easy to watch a video and critique something you've never tried yourself. So these suggestions are far more likely to be off-base than they are warranted. But my initial thoughts for mods, pending actual experience with the set-up, would be: -Better stakes for sure! XD -Cut out the section of fabric on the vestibule around that spark arrestor and sew in another section of stove jack material so the user has some peace of mind in high winds beyond just trusting the stake to hold on that guyout line keeping the vestibule face fabric away from the spark arrestor. -Rain cap on the flute would be nice -Ideally one would use Komperdell's titanium poles if they ever bring them to market, with cork grips. The cork grip recommendation is so a camper could worry less about off gassing some nasty VOCs from EVA foam grips in that enclosed space. The titanium pole suggestion is so you don't have to worry about reaching the glass transition temperature of the epoxy in composite poles (usually around 180 F) and warping them. Full aluminum poles may do the trick, but they would be much more thermally conductive than Ti, so its possible one would just be trading the warping worry for worrying about the plastic/foam components on their aluminum poles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Tangentially the pole suggestion got me wondering if there any american made poles other than Ruta Locura Yana poles? I have a pair, but despite my inner UL heart gushing over them on every trip, I know the types of people who usually like hot tents will think of the Yana poles as an overpriced, delicate, finicky joke. A full Ti metal USA made pole would be very cool to the demographic that loves hot tents I'd imagine... I just wouldn't want to see the price tag on that hypothetical gear item though! XD
I would be very concerned about the galvanized metal. As a guy who did a LOT of welding, we had to have supplied air when welding that material. I’m not a scientist or metallurgist, and i can only go off of what i learned in school, but I would suggest caution.
Not being a winter camping enthusiast, my opinion would be pretty much rubbish. But I will mention one thing that American companies maybe have to do to appear price competitive. They give you a very minimal baseline product, and then offer add-ons to make the product reasonably useable. I am surprised the damper for the stove is an add-on, for example. And clearly you have to buy better stakes for the (non-seam-sealed, another add-on) tent. I'm not sure I'd trust that tent in anything but the weather you camped in for the video. Thanks Chase!
Well really you need to do it by the realistic maths. Average person gets to go out once a year. Most people get a 3 day weekend. Most people only sleep out 2 nights. That same average person has the health to do this between ages 20 and 60. 40 times total use, 2 nights each, that is 80 days. The gear doesn't have to last a lifetime, it only has to last 80 days.
Just found your content and I'm loving it man. However I will say that was a pretty political statement as far as American made products. We should always encourage others to buy American first and foremost and be very straight forward with that and as blunt as possible! Will it offend someone by taking a no nonsense hard approach absolutely but we live in a society that values feelings over everything and you're going to offend people in almost any way you choose. When it comes to standing up for what's right I have no care for someone's feelings and if they're to sensitive to say "hey I don't agree but I'm proud on how dedicated he is to this" then you don't need those followers. Again love your content man and I look forward to watching more!
Thanks! I appreciate the encouragement! I'm not interested in getting political, but I hear what you're saying and appreciate the sentiment. That comment just stems from the reality that there's a lot of good outdoor gear from all over. If I go through my garage and pick out my favorite gear, it's a mix of USA-made and imported. Categorically saying American made is the only good gear or all gear made in China is bad would just be false or me faking it to make a political statement. So I was just being honest. I love to buy USA made but I also like quality stuff, wherever it comes from. We're pretty fortunate here to have so many options.
this doesn't look like a "hot tent" this looks like a novelty joke item you send to that friend you don't like but know he wants to go camping in colder conditions.
Haha. That could be fun, but when you look at the folks who use this tent or others from this brand, they're often pretty hardcore. More backcountry hunters who hike in some place with the tent and stove and pack it out with an elk quarter.
I think you are confusing a "hot tent" with a backpacking shelter that has stove option. These are geared towards backpacking hunters/hikers where weight is a concern.
@@theoutdoorempireI second this. I’ve got a buddy with this same set up and does Idaho wilderness hunts with it and packs out bears, elk and deer every year.
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Doesn't the carbon monoxide detector have to be at sleeping level or below to be effective?
Yes. It does.
CO has nearly the same vapor density as air, so it doesn't really matter, especially in a space that small.
@@asmith7876 I've always heard otherwise. What does that really mean though? When I was in school and was taught that hot water freezes faster than cooler water. I immediately began experimenting. I found that half of the time, hot water did freeze faster.
I own a TeePee style hot tent and a small Winnerwell stainless steel stove. I would love to try both products you demonstrated in this video. The Riley Stove Co. Flapjack wood stove and especially the Seek Outside Silex 1P XL tent. Thanks for the very informative video. I'll be checking out the rest of your videos soon.! Good Luck to you!
Thank you and I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers.
Could you do more like this?
You bet! I've got a few more like this on the channel and have more in the works.
Looks like a pretty sweet set up!
I think you would like that tent.
Thumbs up for made in the USA
I think could use a rain cap on the pipe.
That'd be good.
Man what a decent set-up for the money! A few modifications here and there and it would do its job well I bet.
I hadn't realized Seek Outside recently modified their zipperless shelter to offer a version that can accept a stove. A bit quirky because it didn't start its life as a hot tent centric design, so it'll have its limitations for sure, but kind of neat to see a break from the usual hot tent geometries! I can definitely see this being a decent setup for a young person looking to get into the hobby and willing to spend the time to ponder and implement ways that work around their gears limitations to increase safety, convenience, and comfort.
It's easy to watch a video and critique something you've never tried yourself. So these suggestions are far more likely to be off-base than they are warranted. But my initial thoughts for mods, pending actual experience with the set-up, would be:
-Better stakes for sure! XD
-Cut out the section of fabric on the vestibule around that spark arrestor and sew in another section of stove jack material so the user has some peace of mind in high winds beyond just trusting the stake to hold on that guyout line keeping the vestibule face fabric away from the spark arrestor.
-Rain cap on the flute would be nice
-Ideally one would use Komperdell's titanium poles if they ever bring them to market, with cork grips. The cork grip recommendation is so a camper could worry less about off gassing some nasty VOCs from EVA foam grips in that enclosed space. The titanium pole suggestion is so you don't have to worry about reaching the glass transition temperature of the epoxy in composite poles (usually around 180 F) and warping them. Full aluminum poles may do the trick, but they would be much more thermally conductive than Ti, so its possible one would just be trading the warping worry for worrying about the plastic/foam components on their aluminum poles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Tangentially the pole suggestion got me wondering if there any american made poles other than Ruta Locura Yana poles? I have a pair, but despite my inner UL heart gushing over them on every trip, I know the types of people who usually like hot tents will think of the Yana poles as an overpriced, delicate, finicky joke. A full Ti metal USA made pole would be very cool to the demographic that loves hot tents I'd imagine... I just wouldn't want to see the price tag on that hypothetical gear item though! XD
It's funny how even when gear is affordable, we always find ways to upgrade it, right? Thanks for sharing all your ideas - great suggestions!
Appreciate. All looks good. I’m curious about the temperatures you were giving. Did you take a temp reading where you were sleeping? Thanks
Yes, it was from a thermometer that was hanging inside the tent at the top.
You were concerned about your pole, but not the unburnt galvanizing on the stove and pipe?
The pole has plastic parts. The unburnt galvanized coating is not an issue. Not toxic unless ingested and will cure in time.
I would be very concerned about the galvanized metal. As a guy who did a LOT of welding, we had to have supplied air when welding that material. I’m not a scientist or metallurgist, and i can only go off of what i learned in school, but I would suggest caution.
Forgot to say how much I enjoyed the video. Great concept and the issues you discuss are what’s important to me as an outdoors man. Thank you!
Use big lag bolts in frozen ground !
That's a great tip. I've been using regular stakes and it's always such a pain to get them in.
Not being a winter camping enthusiast, my opinion would be pretty much rubbish. But I will mention one thing that American companies maybe have to do to appear price competitive. They give you a very minimal baseline product, and then offer add-ons to make the product reasonably useable. I am surprised the damper for the stove is an add-on, for example. And clearly you have to buy better stakes for the (non-seam-sealed, another add-on) tent. I'm not sure I'd trust that tent in anything but the weather you camped in for the video. Thanks Chase!
True, the add-ons can be obnoxious sometimes.
Does that music play all night? I would need to find a quieter place to camp.
Haha nope. Only in the video.
Well really you need to do it by the realistic maths. Average person gets to go out once a year. Most people get a 3 day weekend. Most people only sleep out 2 nights. That same average person has the health to do this between ages 20 and 60. 40 times total use, 2 nights each, that is 80 days. The gear doesn't have to last a lifetime, it only has to last 80 days.
I think that's a really good way to look at it.
Every two years I reseal the seems on my tents, that being said I'm not spending that kind of cash on an unfinished tent.
Fair enough.
The tent looks basically like a tarp. That's kind of a lot to pay for a tarp...
The tent is pure crap, and the stove is not far behind.
Just found your content and I'm loving it man. However I will say that was a pretty political statement as far as American made products. We should always encourage others to buy American first and foremost and be very straight forward with that and as blunt as possible! Will it offend someone by taking a no nonsense hard approach absolutely but we live in a society that values feelings over everything and you're going to offend people in almost any way you choose. When it comes to standing up for what's right I have no care for someone's feelings and if they're to sensitive to say "hey I don't agree but I'm proud on how dedicated he is to this" then you don't need those followers. Again love your content man and I look forward to watching more!
Thanks! I appreciate the encouragement! I'm not interested in getting political, but I hear what you're saying and appreciate the sentiment. That comment just stems from the reality that there's a lot of good outdoor gear from all over. If I go through my garage and pick out my favorite gear, it's a mix of USA-made and imported. Categorically saying American made is the only good gear or all gear made in China is bad would just be false or me faking it to make a political statement. So I was just being honest. I love to buy USA made but I also like quality stuff, wherever it comes from. We're pretty fortunate here to have so many options.
Overpriced even if it was made in America I'll stay with my Chinese import tents seek outside is a rip off that ten don't even have snow skirts
this doesn't look like a "hot tent" this looks like a novelty joke item you send to that friend you don't like but know he wants to go camping in colder conditions.
Haha. That could be fun, but when you look at the folks who use this tent or others from this brand, they're often pretty hardcore. More backcountry hunters who hike in some place with the tent and stove and pack it out with an elk quarter.
It’s an UL hot tent. Kinda cool actually. I really like the doors being a slide on one of the supports, that’s really cool.
I think you are confusing a "hot tent" with a backpacking shelter that has stove option. These are geared towards backpacking hunters/hikers where weight is a concern.
@@theoutdoorempireI second this. I’ve got a buddy with this same set up and does Idaho wilderness hunts with it and packs out bears, elk and deer every year.
What a piece of crap tent and stove.
They must be out of their minds, stove and all, I wouldn't even give $50.00, it's a pill of trash, I would never buy this tent... 👎👎