FLEX's New Impact Somehow Beats Nearly Everything
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
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Today we test the all new FLEX FX1451-Z Mid Torque impact wrench vs Milwaukee M18 Gen 2 2962, DeWALT DCF891, Makita XGT as well as the new Skil IW5761B to see how they stack up against the industry's greats. And with some surprising results as well!
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0:00 Intro
1:02 FLEX Mid
4:15 SKIL Mid
5:57 Bustin'
7:23 What's different
8:35 Best Case Tests
10:35 Points & Ranking
13:08 Why it might be #1 
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Bustin' makes me feel good
The manual literally has a line where it says "High speed mode -> Nut Busting"
Can confirm, bustin' nuts in stuff makes me feel good. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I ain't afraid of no nut
That joke was kinda premature
Most won't even get the 80s reference. 😢
Loving that ring light, I hate when manufacturers move them to the base. Especially when they use dim bulbs.
I feel like some brands are getting even worse over time. The SKIL RA impact driver proves it doesnt need to take up a lot of space to do it.
@@TorqueTestChannel One thing I love about my Ridgid Octane tools is that most have a light on the snout, unfortunately the moved them in the newer subcompact and max tools. Unlike DeWalts which are bright enough to make up for being on the base they are useless. It is nice to the newest revision of subcompact 3/8 have it back on the snout with the triple lights.
Sometimes the bright ones are even worse because they are in such a dumb spot that they create a shadow over the very thing you're working on.
Same, looks pretty nice.
@@TorqueTestChannel could you test the lights in different tools? It would be interesting to know who has the brightest one
I don't watch sports, I cheer for my favorite brand of powertool on TTC
When he turned on the nut busting mode on the SKIL my jaw actually dropped 😂 that is WILD for that price!!
I think its a bit deceiving, as he pointed out later its a high torque masquerading as a mid torque, as far as that goes its a tossup with Harbor Freight.
@@elliotkane4443 much better warranty on the Skil, though. It's HF counterpart would be the Bauer High Torque and that one as a bare tool costs as much as the Skil kitted with a battery and charger.
Torque numbers when compared to high torque impacts are meh, but still very usable
@@engineer_alv Decent amount of power for the price I guess but so what really?
Its underpowered as a high torque and too big as a mid torque.
If you need a high torque gun a lot then you're working on bigger gear and you've probably got a bigger wallet 🤔
I guess If I was to only have 1 gun and was on a budget I might buy it, but it probably wont fit where its needed.
Scared me when I saw the title of the video… had to watch it quick to make sure my dewalt was still king of the hill 👌😁
TTC and Project Farm are the best review channels on RUclips hands down. Keep it up
That skil is super impressive for its price point and impressive in size lol Flex made an impression as well
So glad I locked in with Dewalt more recently. At first i regretted it and thought "should have just gone Milwaukee and got that 3/4 monster impact wrench" but holy sh* working on a farm the dcf891 does literally everything i need it to, packs a massive punch and its light enough to not be such a nuissance to carry all day like that 3/4 fuel wrench. There were nuts i was doing up today on a grader blade with the dcf that the bosses 3/4 fuel had trouble undoing, no joke.
I’m thinking about upgrading my 10+ year old Ridgid collection. I’m leaning towards Dewalt because of the mid torque and the fact that a lot of their good tools are made in the US now.
I upgraded to Dewalt from my milwaukee gear recently. It's been great.
it failed for me. i was tightening 1 1/2 inch hydraulic plugs with a 1 inch hex drive. it didn't like being dead ended i guess.
@@ronblack7870 what failed for you? The dcf891?
@@LESLASLESLAS It's a best for sure. Nearly everyone on this page has enjoyed theirs. Shame dewalt isn't really pushing them, and reusing the case of an anemic tool doesn't help any either.
The dcf891 is my go to. It's an awesome combination of power and weight.
Just got my dewalt 891 and am impressed with it.
Thanks to your videos, I got a 891, really satisfied with it !
It effortlessly removed the crank pully bolt on my bmw e46, when the spec is 420 nm (nice) from factory, without even locking the crankshaft in place.
I love the "precision wrench" mode as well, allows me to start bolts by hand and then run them down (or up) with the impact, and it's incredible on suspension parts.
Thanks for the effort put into these videos, and thanks to you people can make the correct decision when buying tools.
Just bought a 891 yesterday myself. Eagerly waiting for it now. Been trying to refresh the rear suspension and drop the subframe on my 92 MX5 and having struggled with every bolt, I just said fuck this and caved and finally spent the money on a good impact. Nearly a weeks wages spent on it but I know it'll feel completely worth it when I can zip off bolts in 5 seconds that'd take me 5 or 10 minutes struggling with using hand tools.
Influencers out here carrying around Skil tools for the ring lighting
Lmfaooo that’s funny
Phew! Still feeling safe with the DCF891, but shaking in my boots with every release that Milwaukee has to watch on the sidelines… I just know they’re gonna come out swinging with a shorty that’ll tempt me.
Would you consider testing bosch's standard impact drivers? They claim the same torque as the freaks but id like to know if they actually get those numbers
Well seems enough people agree with you, so next time we do impact drivers (which admittedly isn't often) we'll buy at least one Bosch as well.
@Torque Test Channel I'd love more videos on impact drivers
@@TorqueTestChannel also would like more Drill/Impact driver videos
@@TorqueTestChannel you’re honestly missing out on a massive market by not doing more videos on drivers. Arguably more people use impact drivers every day anyways. It’s only really automotive and some specialty jobs that need the big boys, but most trades have a 1/4” as their daily driver. Been quite a few times I’ve tried to find videos on your channel actually too lol but a lot of times, there’s just not a video from you
I'm specifically curious about this too, I wonder if since the Freak needs an extension anyway to get higher torque, maybe it's pointless and to just get the standard 1/4 only.
Always love your content too! I would also echo the other comments on the desire to see some more testing on the torque output of drills, as I do tons of drilling and tapping into steel and aluminum for work.
I got notification, I click
Edit: S,B&D, Makita, Chevron, TTI. The two Chinese brands pushing a German and American name respectively. Interesting
Have you given any thought to testing the Right Angle Stud/ Joist drills? Eager to see what the Flex full size and compact do on your test rigs. Great video guys as always
Great video, as always!
I would love to see the high torque get retested with the stacked lithium battery.
Thank you for your videos. I always look forward to them.
My flex tools stay at the repair shop more than I have gotten to use them if it's running hot in those test I'd think it would burn out fast like using turbo on other tools just burns them out faster
Thats what I'm thinking
Go Makita my friend. My first tool was Dewalt, later on my retired construction uncle gave me most of his Milwaukee and Makita tools. After using them for an extended period, I'm gearing toward Makita for comfort and longevity. Sure there are stronger model and brand, but they overlook the durability of the tool. Makita hit the sweet spot for me.
It’s great to see these store brands delivering the beans. Although, I have a feeling that an extra cell in series would send the Dewalt into the 700+lbft territory.
24v in a 20v tool is kinda cheating, but it works…
Yeah, 18/20 vs 24v is a great point here. 18v to me seems like the best size. 21700 packs in a 24v battery would be very bulky. The kobalt 8ah is the only one that comes to mind currently.
Glad I invested in the flex brand. Haven't been disappointed with any of my purchases from them.
@@RealJeep yes sir
@@RealJeep American capitalism*
honestly, now a days, any of the big brands wont let you down. All of them work really well. Glad youre happy with your purchase
@@RealJeep cry some more. If home brands made better tools we would not use tools made by TTI or Chevron. Why would anyone buy a Snap On impact that is 3 or 4 times the price and delivers half the performance. 😂
All these manufactures try to outdo each other to be "King of the Hill". But, I'm heavily invested in the 18v Makita system since it was first announced. So when I move to battery impacts wrenches, I bought the best Makita had, guess what, they get the job done. I did buy the new 40v 3/4" Makita impact because it tested well on here, and it does the job when I needed that much power.
Amazing comparison as always 😊
Hey thanks SC!
I have the Skill 1/2 and 3/8. Very good impact wrenches and I've been thoroughly impressed. The lights are phenomenal !
Good stuff TTC! Thanks again
I think locking into a battery platform with a wide range of tools is also a really important consideration. Just happens I chose Dewalt for the durability (another important factor), range of tools and price. Nice to see DeWalt also kicks ass.
Durability is king
I've been using battery tools forever (like most people) but I finally realized that you no longer need to stick with a platform. The days of needing to charge your battery several times to finish a project, are long past. Modern batteries are such high capacity, that they last for days, or even weeks. I decided to stop only buying Milwaukee tools (after multiple M18 tool failures due to humidity and poor quality on their circular saws) and I purchased some Dewalt and Flex tools. Flex has the quieter motors, and the best circular saws (their circular saws are better than Milwaukee). Dewalt has the best 12 volt tools with the best ergonomics and battery design. Now I realize that it was stupid trying to stay with one single brand. Modern batteries charge so fast, and last so long, that you rarely need to have a backup battery.
awesome review! Can't believe that makita still costs 350 in the US market, in EU it is 235USD... And funny enough the high torque 3/4 is only $25 more lol
yeah, that's why many people haven't switched from LXT. Because the XGT lineup here comes with a big tax. It's unfortunate because the tools are very good but not almost double the price good.
@@engineer_alv I mean I don't get it, compared to eu prices some tools really have weird price tag. Of course you get some of the tools cheaper and have more sales and promotions, but still. Usually it is the opposite lol
It might be interesting to have an episode that shows an evolution over time for the last few years.
A graph with the date on the x axis maybe, torque on the y, ploting each brand or something. It would be interesting to see any jumps, who leads, who follows, perhaps even project when the tools would reach a point where the worst possible scenario would be surpassed.
I was just about to comment this! Thats a video id click on for sure.
I was looking for an impact to keep on the car just in case, after watching this video I figured I'll go for the Skil since it's a good bang for the buck and comes with it's own battery (That way I wont have to be getting it in and out of the car) thanks for the info
The Skil is $79.99 on Amazon right now. Really solid impact for that price
Nut-busting is always a requirement when working with your hands. 😏 Wow, those are some impressive results! Almost as impressive as you getting ready to hit 300K!! 🐺🔧
Nice...Flex is starting to win me over for some of their tools. I just wish they offered a larger range of tools. So far it's always hard to justify jumping off the Makita battery platform, cause they always got something for whatever I need. Plus I genuinely love most of their tools anyway, and have had great experiences with their customer/technical service.
I'm aware for some it can be a royal pain to work with more than one set of charger and batteries, But I'm a strong believer of using 2 platforms.
You don't need to jump off your current battery platform to try something else.
It doesn't get too cumbersome and you'll need two or more chargers anyway if you carry a handful of batteries that may need charging at the same time.
And using 2 platforms gives you more freedom, price competitiveness and can ultimately led you to a more capable tool.
There are way more upsides than downsides about it.
Makita, dewalt, Milwaukee, they have the best range of tools for their platform
Flex, Kobalt, skil, they are growing, but their sizes and weight need a huge improvement.
Seems to me like they're working on it. They haven't had over 15 years to make stuff like Makita.
@@engineer_alv That sounds good in theory, and maybe if my main platform wasn't Makita it would make sense. But in practice it almost never does. If I need a new hammer drill, I could spend $140 on a new Makita XPH14 drill, or spend $300 on a Milwaukee M18 Fuel Kit. Except the Milwaukee drill isn't twice as good, so no reason to spend the extra cash, and I don't have any other Milwaukee cordless tools, so no need for the batteries either. That's what I mean, there's almost never a time where spending the extra cash makes sense...at least for me.
@@AToolWithTools Huh!? Flex has been around since 1922. They produce all sorts of tools from wood working to grinders and metal working, masonry, even a full line of pro car detailing. They've had forever...
The newer brushless skil tools this company makes are a fantastic deal. I ended up getting their rear handle circular saw for $178. Came with 2 5Ah batteries and a dual battery charger. I like it so much I took back some Ryobi tools I had recently bought to get the Skil 20v brushless tools which came with additional batteries and chargers. And it was all Ryobi price range for just the tools. I feel like it’s an open secret that Skil isn’t just a bargain bin Bosch side brand now. They still make even cheaper brushed tools that are pretty mediocre. But these new brushed ones are great.
I remember back in college when I first started buying tools I started out with Milwaukee. I started out with just their impact driver for screwing things down. After only two months the switch broke on it. I got a new one and after about six months the motor stopped working. I went to Makita and have never looked back. I've never had a Makita tool fail me. I still have their first mid torque that they came out with that used the 18 volt battery. I've dropped it in multiple buckets of oil on accident. It's fallen off excavators, I even ran it over with my car one time. Still goes, granted not as strong as it use to be. I'm a heavy equipment mechanic now and I use my Makita tools everyday almost. I know it would be tough to have a tool longevity test, I don't even know how you would test something like that besides using these tools to their full capacity over the span of months even years. However, it would be very interesting.
The only thing that keeps me away from Makita is the way they program their bms in the battery to brick under certain conditions. I can't remember what those are, think attempting to charge a certain number of times in an overheated condition is one of them. I mean if you take care not to abuse them it shouldn't happen, but most brands just lock it out until it is safe not brick so you have to buy a new one for almost the price of the tool
I'd like to see you test the Hercules brushless half inch mid, the one that advertises 555ft/lbs breakaway. Last time you had a 5ah with 18650s, put the 8ah on it with 21700s
Another good day for team yellow 💛
Lately everyday is a good day for yellow
You bet, and i'm lovin it! 😃
Thanks for another great video. Any plans for another AMA video?
Love my dewalt! Still king of the hill!! Keep up the great videos.
@2:26 I expected you to say "delivers the beans."
been doing mechanic work for over 35 years and never heard of flex , still would not trade my Makita 18V/36V for anything on the market, reliability is my reason. Try testing the breaking strength of anvils in the impacts.
That Skil just won the...I need a cheap impact for lug nuts category.Great power for the money.
Totally agree, I would totally buy one if I wasn't already addicted to a battery platform and didn't care about the size of it
I do appreciate the work you do here.
Thank you.
Very informative!
This is the way! 💪🏽😎
Have your wheel nuts ever loosened on you, or been loosened by another?
_"No..."_
Then, you are Mandalorian.
This is the way.
_"This is the way!"_
😊
Chervon owns several well-known tool brands in North America, including Flex, EGO, and Skil/Skilsaw
Dewalt still kickin!!.. and last pretty long in my experience... dewalt all day everyday
Flex is really killing it lately. The biggest problem with them is distribution (at least in Canada).. Some smaller tool stores carry them, and Rona, and Lowes don't really carry much..🤷
If you're looking at power isolated, yes. Seen videos of the drill driver leaking oil like mad after being tested intense 😂
Does anyone else remember the main air vent holes for the fan motor being on the front of the housing? I was about to buy this Flex impact, and one of the only things stopping me was the price (It's very expensive for the kit--about $300) and the motor fan being in the front. The front mounted fan was a serious problem for me, because it ruined the aesthetics--but now the thing looks beautiful, with it's rear mounted fan. Hopefully someone can chime in on this, because it appears to be a pretty serious Mandela Effect.
I can’t wait to see you test the new ridgid right angle impact wrench!!
Waiting for it to be on sale. Downsides of not accepting any free tools
@@TorqueTestChannel hey don't blame you on that! Thanks for showing us what brings the beans!
if you like ring lights, you should test the Menards Masterforce impacts. I believe they are also made by Chervon.
Amazing how quick the value is increasing and competition in tools, the gloves are off! I got a corded SKIL jigsaw recently, its really strong, the value on that impact, amazing! no nut is safe anymore anywhere, ever for even the most amateur of mechanics!
PLEASE get some Masterforce (Menards brand made by Chervon) tools to test! I'd send you one, but I don't have any impact wrenches :(
Do you have the Boost Impact Driver? That one is sweet, I owned it for a few months and it seemed to overpower my Bosch and Ryobi impacts. Its halo light ring was also superb
@@engineer_alv I love the impact driver and use socket adapters to remove bolts. The ring light is the best.
Great tools , are one battery's, fixing couple of cutting tools . circular saw, recipro saw, angle grinder's, gardens cutting tools. And more ...
Do the new uprated Seesii.
Yk in a diesel ag world the dewalt still fits everywhere and always has enough power now In automotive i could see the Milwaukee being a huge benefit
Such a good mid torque at that size wow i bought it now looking at the new compacts
Great video as always. Just a recommendation: Include the tool's part number in the title.
Any particular reason why? FX1451-Z doesn't mean anything to me just looking at it, and I pretty much live and breathe impacts. This vid is 1/2 hour old and already a top search result for that model number in youtube. That's why we include it in the description.
@@TorqueTestChannel Thanks for replying. I find myself scrolling through your channel often and from the channel view, you can't see model numbers. If someone starts with a specific model number and goes searching for it, then yes, they will find your video. But it might help other viewers who do not start with that info.
Anyways...thanks for doing what you do. You and Project Farm are tops.
@@Keifsanderson Hey thanks, i'll talk with everyone here about it. I think it's been a couple years since we included models numbers in the title, they just don't tend to tell the average viewer much about the video and sometimes there's like 3, 4, 5 tools being tested.
I don't think it would necessarily help to have them in the title. I think if the description is accessed in searches, that's more than enough. Plus, leaving out the fax-machine coding from the rotor just makes it cleaner.
*_However..._* adding the P/N to the _thumbnail_ might be handy, and not disrupt cleanliness.
Personally, I like a video that packs in as much video details between the thumbnail *and* title.
Keeping the title short helps because on mobile devices, the long titles get cut off and then the viewer won't see it anyways when they're scrolling (I usually add vids to my Watch Later, *just* to read the title; 95% I don't actually watch, but the cut-off title piqued my curiosity).
Just my 2¢ 😊
Do you guys plan on doing a rigid mid torque? Would like to see that if you haven't against these. Great video still
Great job.
I'm not selling my Makita stuff, but.... You do a great job of presenting the information.....
Your tests are very fair.... If I didn't already have the Makita products.... I'd be looking, I can't lie....
Skil’s tools are a great value
its not always about the power. look at the lean in on the milwaukee moving the battery further from the work space allowing more access for the working part of the tool.
Please test Parkside branded impacts, curious to see how these perform. They have multiple models so you can probably make a bunch of videos on these!
You should test Canadian tire maximum impact guns! They have a new 40v high torque could be really spicy their old high torque was really solid
I second this! its a brand that doesn't get any acknowledgement outside of Canada. I use Milwaukee but id love to see how maximum compares.
Also Canadian tire used to carry a brand called Rockwell which were seriously well built and i still use the 1/2 impact sometimes.
at the end it's always a question of durability in the long run
it's weird just a few years ago Milwaukee used to be the top of the pack in impacts, while Dewalt was mid to low on them. how the tides have turned. I was thinking about waiting for the new dewalt large impact to come out but I might get the mid one too.
Certainly it seems DeWalt owns the numbers at every size/power range up through 1/2", DCF961 > DCF891 > DCF923 > DCF850 all top the competition. When DCF964 comes out soon they'll likely take the 3/4" too. That said, the paper numbers aren't everything...lot of discussion in these videos about DeWalts having a lot more popcorn jittering and wrist breaking, and just being not as nice to work with as the MKE stuff. Not that surprising...a lot of what separates really high quality tools from others is hard to put a finger on. All my stuff is yellow, but I admit the red stuff turns my head sometimes.
Can not wait for them to come out with a 3/8 impact
Ya'll really missed out on a "Bustin makes me feel good" reference.
Technically the Dewalt with stacked lithium averages more ft lbs per in then the flex(94)
The high torque needs to get tested with the 6 ah stacked battery, it comes in a kit so it should be tested accordingly.
I recently bought the dewalt mid torque and when putting on semi lug nuts it easily over torques them. It's my go to tool now
Can you test the DCG418 grinder.
The Skil with a battery and charger from Amazon is $492 Canadian, lol.
I don't know if it's in the cards at all, but what about the compact harbor freight impacts like the Hercules hd82b? I just purchased one for some light work like lug nuts of mine and my wife's personal vehicle and I'd be very interested to see where it ranks
Great stuff as always guys! I'm ready for you to shame some more lying flashlights!
Torque WTF why am I finding new vids im suggestions/while scrolling and not notified/in subs? Who'd you piss off hahahaha
This one in particular stats say they didn't show to basically anyone, it happens and we can't do much.
The flex looks so cool😎 😊
Like the flex wish it had a ring light or 4 LEDs around it like the skil may end up getting the flex kit at some point
The Kobalt is on sale for $149 4 amp and fast charger included.
On the Nut-bust mode what was the reduction.... that was pretty slick. In the past 3yrs I have become a serious $$$ shopper. The Batteries for these units are just insane. That said I am truly interested in the Flex and Skil. For the home wrencher, Flex and Skil fit the budget. My only fear... durability
Man i hadnt watched this video before deciding to get thr DeWalt, was worried at first i made the wrong decision 😂😂
Hopefully you can test Impack Dongcheng 3/4 DCBP 998
Looks like Dewalt still owns the mid-torque category handidly. Especially at only $29 more than the Flex. That being said... I'm sticking to my Milwaukee's due to the same reason most people stick to a brand... To have just one charger and one brand of battery. I do also own some Snap-On 14.4 V stuff, but that's from when I had an account and got a rebate for buying everything at once.
Performance is one thing, but what about long-term reliability? That is the real question.
Have you ever pole saws? I borrowed the milwaukee m18 put my mower battery on it.
It's a beast, cuts though oak in seconds.
Something about the Flex line just makes my shorts a little tight. I like their stuff.
Gosh, for 5 minutes I thought It will beat my dewalt 891 but wasn't even close thank God for that...
I'm curious about the physical durability of the stacked cells versus cylindrical ones.
Cylinders have some inherent advantages in crush and puncture damage.
Are the stacked lithium-ion cells (in the commonly seen pouches many of us are familiar with) well protected against drops and the damage that can occur in such scenarios?
Not that a 4+ft from a 'poorly setdown toolbox edge' drop should be enough but knowing how spicy they can be when physically damaged makes me wonder what the shell of such battery is like internally.
"Spicy pillow" cells make me a little nervous. I think I'll hold off buying the powerstack for a while.
Flex are really stepping up their game. Are they sold in Europe? I can find a red power tool brand called Flex in the EU, but I don't think it is the same.
This tool with the lifetime warranty is really something.
Team yellow staying on top!
Those batteries are large and cumbersome. I'd like to see the results with smaller and lighter arm-saving 1.5ah or 2ah batteries.
That dewalt slaps. Not even with a stacked 5ah pack either.
Sir thanks so much. Are these the tools to work with a tire bolt?
Yeah, great for that
You should test Makita XWT12ZB 18V impact wrench. I got one for $60 to work on my car with and for the money I've been very pleased. I'm curious how many beans it puts out.
TTC is out to give its subscribers the best torque wrench. Can you test the Kobalt and Husky pneumatic torque wrenches. Thanks.
Hello,
How long does impact wrench FX1451 3.5 ah stacked Lithium ion battery works when fully charged? For example if we use for M16 (24 A/F) Bolts how many bolts can be loosen and tighten? In a single charge
Ever test any Napa air tools ?
Could you test the 12v impact drivers from milwaukee, makita, bosch...
Can you add a CFM gauge to your pneumatic test I am very curious if tools actually live up to there CFM consumption
Eric's the Man!!! He's the 🎅 of Tools busting out a new one every other video 😂. The dude is a legend and a man of few words👍🏻
I knew that this FLEX was going to be high on the Chart but it's #2 and the SKIL does pack a punch for a MID TQ but more then the size of a high TQ
@@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY LOL what's up Brotha!!! Yes I noticed it had some beans on your videos. Actually suprised it's a bit smaller than the Gen 2 Milwaukee I have just looks like it has more junk in the trunk. If size is not an issue that Skill is not bad plus I dig the Ingersoll Rand type light.