Electric vehicles don’t pay at the pump and as people migrate to EVs, the govt will need to make up the lost tax revenue from petrol/diesel. This is a just a ruse to justify the taxation of EVs. Not agreeing/disagreeing, just saying.
Yes - and if you have a polluting car, your burn more and pay more tax. And if you have a small engine efficient car, well your burn less fuel and pay less tax at at the pump. If you 60k miles a year and if you only drive 600 miles, your tax is adjusted. Taxing at the pump makes the most sense
Another week and another hour of vital car fanatic listening. This really plugs so many gaps for the committed 99 octane sniffer. Keep up the fine work.
@@MartinsTVRno22 the nice smelling part of the gasoline is unfortunately the aromatics (ring chain hydrocarbons) which are quite bad environmentally, but good for combustion. I am a connoisseur in this.
Living in Los Angeles I thought I was overflowing with car culture & content and could not handle any more, but this is such a bright spot in my weekly routine, I love the show so much and look forward to it each Friday! Keep up the vital work guys!
Love listening to you guys ... my first three cars were Alfa ... Two Suds , one a 1.2 basic and then a 1.2 Ti . Then when I was 18 a GTV 2000 1979 Chrome bumper .. gotta love an Alfa . I'm an old got now mind - 59 yrs old ... Loving this podcast .
Good morning fellas,I’ve gotta say that I really enjoy listening to your podcast on a Friday morning,you lads are a breath of fresh air,Chris I’m really glad you gave RUclips another shot,have a fantastic weekend
Hello Gents - Thanks for the pod every Friday, it is something I look forward to every week! love it all and the Bargin car concept section is bang on.
Whenever Niel sya Ayrton Pandey I think back to when Manish also likened himself to the Tipo 33 stradale 😂. THE most beautiful man-made object of all time. Kudos Mr Pandey you are not lacking in self belief 👏
We pay tax on fuel, and that is effective enough as a miles driven -based tax. You drive miles = you use fuel, and fuel tax is good in that those who use less fuel for that distance pollute less and therefore pay less taxes. I do like the idea of reducing fuel tax and introducing a small, additional weight-based tax. That way we end up with a smaller fuel tax and a small weight tax. And ban polluting, dangerous EVs.
I can recommend South Africa as a consultant country for traffic systems, they have a number of things pretty much sorted including the use of traffic lights at your own discretion irrelevant of the colour it is showing (when they work at all, because then it is utter chaos, but you can't have it all). And the petrol pump attendants are professional stand-up comedians and a bundle of enthusiasm brightening your day as they clean the windscreen, check the oil and do in fact add the exact requested number of litres of go juice to your vehicle
I used to drive my Honda S2000 in the snow with the top down. I had dedicated winter tires. If I stayed over 40mph, I didn't even get snow in the cabin. Great fun! Also, one more snow driving tip - if you hit a drift of snow on the highway (we get sheets of ice and snow falling off tractor trailers), DON'T hit the brakes. Take your foot off the gas and let the car slow itself down until you regain control. I've know people to spin out because they hit the brakes while their car had no traction.
#1 Sunvisor: Fiat Argenta (mk1 81-83) with semi-transparent persplex SLIDING sunvisors out of the headlining. Four (4) of them; two in the front & one on each side you pull down. Brilliant!
I've been looking at 2 seater sports cars for around the £3k mark for summer, I've got a nice new Audi A4 Quattro, Toyota Corolla Hybrid, Fiat 500 and Honda Civic within the house hold so we're not exactly short of cars, but I must admit that BMW Z4 Chris has just posted was the top of my list haha! All of this was driven by the fact my SLK320 (2001 Bruno Sacco designed) in Burgundy with cream interior was crushed by a reversing truck. I'm glad to see that you all have such good taste!
Sunvisors. Epic. My favourite, though I have no pictures of the wonders, were in the Fiat 132 I learned to drive in. They did not fold, or hinge. Oh no. They slid out of the headliner, and were dark orange acrylic sheets. One for the windscreen and then another in the side window.
I'm only halfway through; but is there any mention of why Neil is wearing an illuminated headlamp backwards the entire show??? Absolutely love the show. You guys are legends! -Tim
34:05 Neil - They exist. They've existed for a long time. My father implemented one of these systems in Oakland County Michigan (Late 90's/early 00's). I believe it was originally developed in Australia (I remember him going there at least), but he checked it out and approved the purchase for the County. . Anyway, it uses multiple cameras (per intersection) that are mounted up high and pointed to each area where cars queue, the system detects how many cars there are and adjusts the length of each phase (E.G longer green turn phase for left turns, or extend green for North bound traffic etc). It's a system where each 🚦 knows what the upstream and downstream 🚦s are doing. . They can/will use this in conjunction with magnetic loops (the type used for non smart systems - where you have a traffic 🚦 that only need to be activated a few times a day - car pulls up, the magnetic loop detects the car and tells the system to enable the light for a single phase of cross traffic or things like certain turn phases that don't always have a queue in them etc. . The smart system is all interconnected though - they set them up at each intersection in a certain area or a whole city. So if you're the only car on the road, it'll detect that and adjust it so you hit Green lights all the way 🙌. BTW - The cameras are only used for traffic (because Merica' and all that - though California just introduced speed cameras - which would never fly in Michigan)
There are more than just the camera system in Australia. We also use the inductance loop system that is set into the tarmac at the intersection, that is in simple terms just checking for a vehicle depending on a change in impedance in the circuit. Which allows the lights to skip parts of the light sequence. For example, if there are no vehicles in the turning lanes it will skip that part of the light sequence.
The best car podcast on RUclips 👍 As someone from the JDM car generation I love hearing your thoughts on some of the older cars that I don’t know much about. Keep up the great work guys. Technology idea. Light that flashes on the dash to let you know if you’re hogging the middle lane with people trying to overtake 😂
Chris, Mr. C, Neil and Manish are absolute legends. This is the highlight of my week. Can't get enough of the car chat from these gentlemen. Thank you!
A counter argument to taxation by the mile. My parents love to go to cornwall twice a year for their summer holidays, in total thats over 2,000 miles. Now thats already costing them a few hundred pounds in fuel alone. If you tax by the mile on top of that, you’ll make it even cheaper to go on holiday abroad than in the UK. This will loose money for the UK government through missed VAT, and will reduce the income to the local shops in Cornwall. On top of that, if they were to go abroad, say the popular British holidaymaker destination of Lanzarote, the CO2 emissions of the plane doing the round trip would be the equivalent to approximately 72,000 miles in a car!
2CG. We all know the two best cars combined on a driveway are the 911, and a GR Yaris. Base spec for both... comes to about £150,000. You've now got £50,000 to spec them up. Choose wisely; does one step up the 911 ladder, quickly eating into your reserves. Or do you go miserly, and spend your pounds instead at Litchfield. Good luck! PS shoutout to Petrolheads Anonymous
As you were recording this podcast on the Sunday I was up in the peak district with some friends in my 330e and it was TREACHEROUS. The M1 3rd and 4th lanes were sludgy and I made the mistake of trying overtake someone who was going slowly in the 2nd. A lot of opposite lock was applied as I hit the sludge. Would've been safer to undertake. I got stuck in a Regatta car park that had 3inches of snow. We used hiking poles to clear a path. Many cars stuck with hazards on the B roads, I realised I had to keep my momentum up or I would end up like them which lead to some more opposite lock moments. Made it to the peaks. We went sledging down mam tor. Incredible day out. No scratches on the car. Dropped friends off in the evening and boom auto hold parking break didn't engage and the BMW rear ended a parked Mercedes. After all that. The words: F F S
In the Netherlands roadtaxes are quite high, but also have a huge range based on weight, emission and fueltype of your car. A 0.9 petrol 2013 Panda weighing 955kg costs €452 per year in roadtaxes. A 2.8 diesel 2019 Land Cruiser weighing 2155 kg will cost €2.520 in roadtaxes alone. So if you are driving a very heavy polluting car, you are either very rich or you use it for your business and put the costs up as tax deductibles. It sucks in a way, because I'd love to drive a big stationwagon with a big engine. But it does mean you have less SUVs driving about.
In Germany taxes are not paid for the amount of car usage rather the insurance is paid in amount of usage. Taxes are calculated in relation to the displacement. In addition the taxes for Diesel engines are higher and there are no for EVs.
@veemacks7255 Sorry, that is simply false! The main factor for the insurance cost ist the amount of Kilometers you drive over the year and of course if the driver had accidents. The rest are just goodies! And how much insurance a car per model costs depends on the repairability and part costs! And yes, a Polo Gti or a Yaris GR costs more insurance than a 911! Small cars with HP cost more than sports cars. Also the part of Co2 in the taxes is just a small addon by the Greens Party! The main calculation of the taxes depends on the emissons (not Co2, but Co and others) and that is done over the displacement. The more displacement the more tax! And if you are in doubt I am german and I know because I pay it! Half the tax Co2 is ludacris! d
@@veemacks7255 Dann weißt duvauch, dass das neue Modell nur für Fahrzeuge mit EZ ab 2009 gilt und erst für Fahrzeuge ab 2020 richtig relevant ist und das der kleinste Teil der Fahzeuge ist, ist Tatsache Für die meisten Autofahrer ist, wenn überhaupt nur die Co2-Abgabe auf den Sprit relevant. Durschnittluches Farzeugalter 11,5 Jahre! Und noch immer wird die Steuer hauptsäclich anhand des Hubraums festgesetzt (gilt auch noch für die Mehrheit). Und wenn du, angeblich bei der HUK arbeitest, zufällig mein Versicherer, weißt du doch ganz genau, dass die Faktoren Unfallhäufigkeit und Jahresfahrleistung die Haupfaktoren für den Tarif sind! Und die SF-Klasse wird, dank der, ach so notwendigen, ständigen Preiserhöungen immer weniger relevant! Ich zahle jetzt mit SF35 mehr, als mit SF25! Und das andere Zeug (Stellplatz, Beruf,...) ist noch weniger ausschlaggebend! Ich hab gerade im November getestet. Und, dass ich ein Premium-Fahrzeug mit Leistung günstiger versichern kann, als einen Kleinwagen oder gar einen HotHatch ist auch Fakt (durschnittliches Alter des Fahrers/Unfallhäufigkeit bestimmter Fahrzeuge)
@@veemacks7255 Ich hab darauf ausfürhlich geantworzet, es wurde aber gelöscht. Schön, dass du meinen Versicherer arbeitest, dann argumentiete doch mal. Und was am erszen Kommentar war unrichtig? Die Steuern werden nach Hubra angesetzt und für neue Fahrzruge ab EZ 21 ein nennenswerter Co2-Anteil. Das sind aber die wenigstrn Fahrzeuge in D. Und ich kann ein Premiumfahrzeug mit Leistung günstiger versichern, als einen unfallhäufigen Kleinwagen. Die Schadenfreiheitsklasse wird wg Preiserhöhungen immer weniger relevant! Also zählen Jahresffahrleistung und Unfallhäufigkeit.
@@veemacks7255 Kann nicht darauf antworten, da entfernt wird .Aber schon allein die Behauptung, die Versicherung wurde sich anhand der Farbe berrechnen ist absolut lächerlich!
@veemacks7255 I'm out here, the comments get deleted and what write here has absolutely nothing to do with insurance costs and tarifs for normal people. And the point wir Co2 in taxing has also no effect for cars before 2020.
Same in the Audi A2. While a minor detail, it's one of the great features which help counter the list of foibles which drive me mad about it each time I drive it! (Terrible pedal placement, NVH to rival Massey Ferguson and terrible A-pillar blind spots to name a few.)
19:38 Supposedly the 3 litre Clio V6 was made as a reaction to misunderstood rumours of the impending “3 litre Polo” (meaning 3l per 100km). Unless it’s a convenient myth…
I got a 2008 W211 E220 CDI Avantgarde trim in iridium silver , 1 owner, almost spotless at 78,000 for £2600, spent about £1200 on it runs a dream now. Not a Bruno Sacco design but its the zenith of the quad light design language.
32:48 spot on Neil 🙌 I get up to go work at 3am, every time I get onto the dual carriage way where I live the lights change to red every single time and nothing comes from the side roads 🤬 sends me insane
Winter driving - Always remember talking with the service manager of a Ford dealership when the XR 4x4 was still on the roads, who told me a story about an owner of said vehicle bringing it back under complaint to the delaership. He had said, that "it doesn't work". What he meant was that he had driven down his drive (down hill) and hit the brakes in the snowy conditions and skated out into the middle of the road. He then stuck it into reverse and tried to back into the same drive (uphill) and the traction control had failed also. He had to be told that when there is zero adhesion between road and tyre, these systems don't really compensate that well.
Winter driving; the main safety issue is the bloody e-handbrakes. When you grew up in Sweden you learned that the only way to stear a FWD or AWD is handbrake into the corner to make sure you always always always avoid any risk of understeer, understeer will kill you!!!! It also well for RWD vehicles to avoid death at corner entry, with the big difference you can actually steer it out of the corner as well and not just pray you went in hard enough with the hand brake. So always always keep your hand on the handbrake and foot on the throttle and you will be fine and to get out of trouble! But watch out of idiots behind you so make sure you go faster than anyone else. The problem with modern cars are the bloody safety systems, always turned the stability system off on the AMG C63s but it was still on, rolling burnouts on frozen asphalt past lorrys to 120mph but wore out the brake pads on the rear in 4000km. Best winter car! Tesla Model 3 Performance,put all to drift mode and the regeneration hits the back as well making one pedal driving a handbrake on entry and unlimited wheel speed at exit. Event beats the 911🥳🥳🥳🥳
Another piece of advice for driving in the snow? Get snow tyres. Just swap'em over late autumn, and back in spring. They aren't just better when it snows. They're better when it's cold and dry, when it's cold and wet, and when there's ice. Plus, it's not even an added cost, as you use either set 50% less so they last twice as long. Your tyres are the only things that keep you stuck to the road, and yet, in the UK, people haven't realised that.
Regarding tips on how To drive on / in the snow: 1. Have the correct tyres and maybe also chains 2. Leave some more distance (great piece of advice from NEIL WITH AN I) 3. Use the throttle very very very gently !!! This is underestimated by most. I’ve never seen so many people getting this wrong. Especially when starting from stationary position, be super gentle and you’ll be much better off that all those who have pushed the proverbial pedal to the metal
The weight thing is actually a positive spiral in every single aspect of the car. Less stuff to manufacture = less cost. Simpler construction means ease of repair and mechanical simplicity. Less weight means better driving dynamics, stopping performance, collision avoidance, less dependency on technology for suspension, steering etc. Then there's the elephant in the room: force = mass X acceleration. 3 ton SUVs going one against the other create incredible forces, two caterhams colliding is almost like bumper cars. This means less stringent safety requirements(even less cost) and a much safer road environment, also for pedestrians.
Very much this. Gordon Murray was saying all this 20 years ago and no one listened so he went off to make trinkets with wonky panels 🤷♂️ I have an A2 which I can't bring myself to part with ... Just needs a GR yaris drivetrain!
Almost every crossing with traffic lights in the Netherlands has got loops under the road which detect if there is a car waiting for the traffic lights. On bigger roads there are also loops like 50 meters before the lights so if you are driving up to the lights and there is no one at the other lights the lights turn green for you before arriving at the lights. In Portugal, I encountered lights that turn red if you were speeding. For cyclist and sometimes for pedestrians too, there are green lights in a small circle where you can see how much time you still have to wait.
The most important sunvisor is the lexus ls400/ Toyota celsior... it had a tiny sunvisor behind the rearview mirror to stop light beaming through that little gap. Such a simple but genius invention. A good topic would be, most recognisable taillights at night. My vote would be r34 skyline. Keep up the entertainment lads.
We pay per mile already, maybe scrap vehicle tax, up fuel tax a LITTLE then bosh!! High milers pay fairly ?? Great pod 👍👍 overtaken the ode s&s in my view
Disappointed that none of you mentioned that you should turn off traction control in the snow. You want the wheels to keep moving in the snow you don't want your car to stop the wheels trying to get traction. I learnt this on a Porsche driving experience course
Yeah, it was a weak section. Modern stuff with all the system interference can trip you up and stop you moving. Then there's the e-brake. An analogue handbrake is your friend- in decent snow you've got your left hand on it all the time.
Your winter tips are pretty much spot on: keep distance between the car in front of you, don’t assume that 4WD will make you an invincible snow god, use common sense, have good tyres. One of the things I do with any new car is I take it out for a spin in horrible winter conditions to safely learn how the car reacts when you loose grip: in driving school in Finland I was taught to lift off and put in the clutch if you got massive understeer, which didn’t work for my Astra F GSi; immediate lift off oversteer and sideways into the ditch if you didn’t know what to do… So I learned to use it to my advantage by testing the car on ice roads: turn, lift off, and floor it 😂 there’s a reason those are still popular budget FWD rally cars 😎
The Saab 9.5 is another car with twin sunvisors, so you can do front and side at the same time! Also, many temporary traffic lights for roadsworks have sensors, so if there is no vehicles coming the other way they switch from red to green - so the technology is out there. Top tips for winter driving - drive like you have eggs/your child/dog strapped to the front of the car and anticipate all that you see before you. Also remember that once the tyres break traction/grip you are a sliding mass with no controls or abilities to change pace or direction, even if you are in some expensive or clever 4 x 4!
Recently moved to Italy and you can always choose to either fill the car yourself or pay a little extra for someone else to do it! They also have 100 octane fuel 👌
Driving on northern Swedish snow (you're inches off the actual road) when temps are below -10°C is easy. There's no water at that temp and the snow/ice is actually quite sticky. You have to try ridiculously hard to get the ABS to kick-in. People routinely drive at 60+mph, even the lorries. Much different here where there's so much water making it so slippery.
Ive owned all of these cars.. bought an old 3.0l slk for £800 😊.. the slk was probably the best car but the alfa was probably my fave.. had the z4 when it was newer but it had a horrible ride and wasnt that quick.. great start to the podcast.
I have the best sunvisor in my 1972 Rover P5 B with the optional to this car and also Rolls-Royce is which is the chrome bar supporting a brown smoked Perspex sunvisor. This you can put down in full sun and still see through it but the sun is occluded to a completely acceptable brightness. Pretty much the same as Mr. Clifford but sadly Plastic and not glass as I guess a few years after his bean counters chipped in.
18:30 what about hybrid? you drive a X5 50e, 2400kg = €6000 extra They are crazy. 34:09 many places in Germany have this. For many many years now. It works with wires in the asphalt near the red light. So at night, always drive close to the lights. 😂
The Polo Chris mentions was actually a Lupo. There was an Audi A2 version with the same 1.2l tdi too. I have a 1.6 petrol A2 which is under a tonne and easily averages over 40mpg with shell E5. Unfortunately A2 production was canned by Piech's sucessor as they were costing more to make than they could sell them for. It's a shame they didn't develop it into something like the i3.
The top 1% heaviest cars in America caused 12x as many deaths as lives they saved. Surely, a weight tax is an appropriate way to make the roads safer. If you make the choice to drive an X7, you should pay more in tax (or registration) than the person driving a Ford Puma. Lighter cars are simply better and we've known it since the the golden years of Lotus. Maybe the legislators could do something useful for once.
It took me 30 minutes to clock the fact that Neil is wearing a torch on the back of his head... Was he not aware it was switched on or is this yet another daring fashion choice by Neil? Edit - Good to hear Neil also mention the Yaris GR in the 2CG... Because I literally just bought one (outright for a great price) after having a moment of clarity that a GR Yaris is literally all the car I want and need on UK roads and driving conditions nowadays... Which is sad in a way but also quite liberating. It's a sensational little thing, and with where things are heading I plan to keep it permanently, even as a second car down the line. Zero buyer remorse.
Neil’s torch might be turned on to warn people coming in the door behind him that he is doing a live podcast. Last week, someone came in and brought Neil a cup of tea during the live show….
I might not have registered it at all had you not brought this up. Hilarious. It may just be a halo of sanctity manifesting spontaneously upon attaining ungodly amounts of wisdom. With regards to the Yaris, I'd need to rework the styling to a large extent, especially in the rear to be satisfied with it but mechanically, it is an absolute peach and one of the most interesting enthusiasts' cars built in the past decade+. That thing just ticks so many boxes I'm frankly amazed it was produced at all amongst a sea of uninspiring, heavily flawed and compromised, overpriced junk. People buying these are dodging a whole lot of bullets. Smart.
I have a Merc 220 Avant-garde D 114,000...worth £700....erm looks good and starts everyday and it's a pillerless coupe. Plus in a highly distinguished road in Westminster parked among the obvious cars for there it sits well.
Probably the best episode ...........Now 2 car garage .... You have just got out from doing 'a handful on the 'moor.....you need 2 cars - a getaway car for work , must be capable of a brisk departure with four 19 stone chums on board and a boot big enough for the items collected. Then a jaw dropper vehicle for the photographers in order to deposit your impossibly long legged lady friend outside the Hotel De Paris in Casino square in something she needs assistance to climb out of .....Budget not important - was not thinking of paying for them.
So-called 'intelligent' Traffic Lights already exist in my locality. They simply use a camera to activate Red Light. Time based change of priority until clear in one particular direction. Main carriageway takes precedence for traffic flow. Also, alternate route suggestion based upon RDS info etc. has been available via Sat.Navs for years...
I remember my dad telling me about the experience he had driving his Automatic Mercedes C200 Kompressor in North Wales in the snow and ice, I think he could have sold more books than Terry Pratchett
Another great chat and completely agree with the mass situation. Also the less mass the less casualties you'd have when they crashed, But the SUV trend in cities came about because people wanted to keep their children safe and companies realised the more mass the more money they get out of people.
I've said for years the easiest and fairest way would be to replce VED with a higher fuel duty. It promotes efficiency, is proportionate to mileage and the mechanism for collection is already in place so zer cost to collect and police. Alos that pic put up was of a Lupo not a Polo I'm pretty sure. But my main question is why Neil Clifford has a head torch band on backwards?
Chris Harris on cars merch , take my money. Best automotive podcast on RUclips, hands down. Thanks gentlemen
Please stop the meat riding on every video
@@zachaphina3140 Was going to say the same thing 🤣
we already pay "tax per mile" at the pump!
That is per litre Sir
@@Jdmess9Per mile as you drive away
The impact on roads and the environment of a 2,500kg suv at 12mpg is drastically greater than a 1,200kg compact at 35/mpg. -tax per mile-
Electric vehicles don’t pay at the pump and as people migrate to EVs, the govt will need to make up the lost tax revenue from petrol/diesel. This is a just a ruse to justify the taxation of EVs. Not agreeing/disagreeing, just saying.
Yes - and if you have a polluting car, your burn more and pay more tax. And if you have a small engine efficient car, well your burn less fuel and pay less tax at at the pump.
If you 60k miles a year and if you only drive 600 miles, your tax is adjusted.
Taxing at the pump makes the most sense
Another week and another hour of vital car fanatic listening. This really plugs so many gaps for the committed 99 octane sniffer. Keep up the fine work.
@@MartinsTVRno22 the nice smelling part of the gasoline is unfortunately the aromatics (ring chain hydrocarbons) which are quite bad environmentally, but good for combustion. I am a connoisseur in this.
6am gym listening to £3k bargain bin cars, perfect Friday morning!
Just smoked a fat one listening to this. 😂
@@xmaxbabilo @GPCustomsClassics The duality of life
This has probably become my favorite pod in the last 3 weeks. These grumpy middle age fellas brighten my weekend. It lands Friday night in Australia.
What is that shadow on Mr Cooper’s upper lip? 😂
Living in Los Angeles I thought I was overflowing with car culture & content and could not handle any more, but this is such a bright spot in my weekly routine, I love the show so much and look forward to it each Friday! Keep up the vital work guys!
Best one yet.
Weight based tax argument is compelling. Incentivise efficiency and punish bloat. I’m in.
Colin Chapman definitely approves!
@ 1300kg in your not so lightweight (but very lovely) title car. I think you have set the benchmark.
Agreed. I've got a couple under the ton and am looking at getting into an A110...😊
Pure gold! You gents are a national treasure. The synergy that exists between genuine friends. 😊
Love listening to you guys ... my first three cars were Alfa ... Two Suds , one a 1.2 basic and then a 1.2 Ti . Then when I was 18 a GTV 2000 1979 Chrome bumper .. gotta love an Alfa . I'm an old got now mind - 59 yrs old ... Loving this podcast .
Was happy to hear Chris Cooper’s £3k shed choice as I’ve just bought an LCI E85 for a smidge over £3k.
Fantastic car really!
Good morning fellas,I’ve gotta say that I really enjoy listening to your podcast on a Friday morning,you lads are a breath of fresh air,Chris I’m really glad you gave RUclips another shot,have a fantastic weekend
Hello Gents - Thanks for the pod every Friday, it is something I look forward to every week! love it all and the Bargin car concept section is bang on.
Whenever Niel sya Ayrton Pandey I think back to when Manish also likened himself to the Tipo 33 stradale 😂. THE most beautiful man-made object of all time.
Kudos Mr Pandey you are not lacking in self belief 👏
We pay tax on fuel, and that is effective enough as a miles driven -based tax. You drive miles = you use fuel, and fuel tax is good in that those who use less fuel for that distance pollute less and therefore pay less taxes.
I do like the idea of reducing fuel tax and introducing a small, additional weight-based tax. That way we end up with a smaller fuel tax and a small weight tax. And ban polluting, dangerous EVs.
Another great episode, good humour and discussion! Really enjoyed the 3k best car segment and look forward to the returning segments going forward.
I can recommend South Africa as a consultant country for traffic systems, they have a number of things pretty much sorted including the use of traffic lights at your own discretion irrelevant of the colour it is showing (when they work at all, because then it is utter chaos, but you can't have it all). And the petrol pump attendants are professional stand-up comedians and a bundle of enthusiasm brightening your day as they clean the windscreen, check the oil and do in fact add the exact requested number of litres of go juice to your vehicle
I used to drive my Honda S2000 in the snow with the top down. I had dedicated winter tires. If I stayed over 40mph, I didn't even get snow in the cabin. Great fun!
Also, one more snow driving tip - if you hit a drift of snow on the highway (we get sheets of ice and snow falling off tractor trailers), DON'T hit the brakes. Take your foot off the gas and let the car slow itself down until you regain control. I've know people to spin out because they hit the brakes while their car had no traction.
#1 Sunvisor: Fiat Argenta (mk1 81-83) with semi-transparent persplex SLIDING sunvisors out of the headlining. Four (4) of them; two in the front & one on each side you pull down. Brilliant!
I love my Friday Gym session listening to these guys. Very much on my wavelength. And age!
I've been looking at 2 seater sports cars for around the £3k mark for summer, I've got a nice new Audi A4 Quattro, Toyota Corolla Hybrid, Fiat 500 and Honda Civic within the house hold so we're not exactly short of cars, but I must admit that BMW Z4 Chris has just posted was the top of my list haha!
All of this was driven by the fact my SLK320 (2001 Bruno Sacco designed) in Burgundy with cream interior was crushed by a reversing truck.
I'm glad to see that you all have such good taste!
Sunvisors. Epic.
My favourite, though I have no pictures of the wonders, were in the Fiat 132 I learned to drive in. They did not fold, or hinge. Oh no. They slid out of the headliner, and were dark orange acrylic sheets. One for the windscreen and then another in the side window.
Listened to this while drifting through a snow covered, deserted 7am Julier Pass on the way to St Moritz 😍
I'm only halfway through; but is there any mention of why Neil is wearing an illuminated headlamp backwards the entire show???
Absolutely love the show. You guys are legends!
-Tim
34:05 Neil - They exist. They've existed for a long time. My father implemented one of these systems in Oakland County Michigan (Late 90's/early 00's). I believe it was originally developed in Australia (I remember him going there at least), but he checked it out and approved the purchase for the County.
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Anyway, it uses multiple cameras (per intersection) that are mounted up high and pointed to each area where cars queue, the system detects how many cars there are and adjusts the length of each phase (E.G longer green turn phase for left turns, or extend green for North bound traffic etc). It's a system where each 🚦 knows what the upstream and downstream 🚦s are doing.
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They can/will use this in conjunction with magnetic loops (the type used for non smart systems - where you have a traffic 🚦 that only need to be activated a few times a day - car pulls up, the magnetic loop detects the car and tells the system to enable the light for a single phase of cross traffic or things like certain turn phases that don't always have a queue in them etc.
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The smart system is all interconnected though - they set them up at each intersection in a certain area or a whole city. So if you're the only car on the road, it'll detect that and adjust it so you hit Green lights all the way 🙌.
BTW - The cameras are only used for traffic (because Merica' and all that - though California just introduced speed cameras - which would never fly in Michigan)
There are more than just the camera system in Australia. We also use the inductance loop system that is set into the tarmac at the intersection, that is in simple terms just checking for a vehicle depending on a change in impedance in the circuit. Which allows the lights to skip parts of the light sequence. For example, if there are no vehicles in the turning lanes it will skip that part of the light sequence.
Manish, love the candles every week his ‘Cathedral of cars’ look, very calming.
The best car podcast on RUclips 👍
As someone from the JDM car generation I love hearing your thoughts on some of the older cars that I don’t know much about. Keep up the great work guys.
Technology idea. Light that flashes on the dash to let you know if you’re hogging the middle lane with people trying to overtake 😂
Chris, Mr. C, Neil and Manish are absolute legends. This is the highlight of my week. Can't get enough of the car chat from these gentlemen. Thank you!
I’m not getting out of bed and starting my Friday till I’ve listened to this.
Living the dream 🤣🤣🤣
After a day supporting my lad at a freezing cold kart track. This is exactly the tonic I needed. Brilliant work guys
A counter argument to taxation by the mile. My parents love to go to cornwall twice a year for their summer holidays, in total thats over 2,000 miles. Now thats already costing them a few hundred pounds in fuel alone. If you tax by the mile on top of that, you’ll make it even cheaper to go on holiday abroad than in the UK. This will loose money for the UK government through missed VAT, and will reduce the income to the local shops in Cornwall. On top of that, if they were to go abroad, say the popular British holidaymaker destination of Lanzarote, the CO2 emissions of the plane doing the round trip would be the equivalent to approximately 72,000 miles in a car!
Great point ☝️
2CG. We all know the two best cars combined on a driveway are the 911, and a GR Yaris. Base spec for both... comes to about £150,000.
You've now got £50,000 to spec them up. Choose wisely; does one step up the 911 ladder, quickly eating into your reserves. Or do you go miserly, and spend your pounds instead at Litchfield.
Good luck!
PS shoutout to Petrolheads Anonymous
Pay per mile is just a slippery slope to rationed travel. Pay per mile is already a thing, it’s called petrol.
As you were recording this podcast on the Sunday I was up in the peak district with some friends in my 330e and it was TREACHEROUS.
The M1 3rd and 4th lanes were sludgy and I made the mistake of trying overtake someone who was going slowly in the 2nd. A lot of opposite lock was applied as I hit the sludge. Would've been safer to undertake.
I got stuck in a Regatta car park that had 3inches of snow. We used hiking poles to clear a path.
Many cars stuck with hazards on the B roads, I realised I had to keep my momentum up or I would end up like them which lead to some more opposite lock moments.
Made it to the peaks.
We went sledging down mam tor. Incredible day out.
No scratches on the car.
Dropped friends off in the evening and boom auto hold parking break didn't engage and the BMW rear ended a parked Mercedes.
After all that.
The words: F F S
In the Netherlands roadtaxes are quite high, but also have a huge range based on weight, emission and fueltype of your car. A 0.9 petrol 2013 Panda weighing 955kg costs €452 per year in roadtaxes. A 2.8 diesel 2019 Land Cruiser weighing 2155 kg will cost €2.520 in roadtaxes alone. So if you are driving a very heavy polluting car, you are either very rich or you use it for your business and put the costs up as tax deductibles. It sucks in a way, because I'd love to drive a big stationwagon with a big engine. But it does mean you have less SUVs driving about.
In Germany taxes are not paid for the amount of car usage rather the insurance is paid in amount of usage.
Taxes are calculated in relation to the
displacement.
In addition the taxes for Diesel engines are higher and there are no for EVs.
@veemacks7255 Sorry, that is simply false!
The main factor for the insurance cost ist the amount of Kilometers you drive over the year and of course if the driver had accidents.
The rest are just goodies!
And how much insurance a car per model costs depends on the repairability and part costs!
And yes, a Polo Gti or a Yaris GR costs more insurance than a 911!
Small cars with HP cost more than sports cars.
Also the part of Co2 in the taxes is just a small addon by the Greens Party!
The main calculation of the taxes depends on the emissons (not Co2, but Co and others) and that is done over the displacement.
The more displacement the more tax!
And if you are in doubt I am german and I know because I pay it!
Half the tax Co2 is ludacris!
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@@veemacks7255 Dann weißt duvauch, dass das neue Modell nur für Fahrzeuge mit EZ ab 2009 gilt und erst für Fahrzeuge ab 2020 richtig relevant ist und das der kleinste Teil der Fahzeuge ist, ist Tatsache
Für die meisten Autofahrer ist, wenn überhaupt nur die Co2-Abgabe auf den Sprit relevant.
Durschnittluches Farzeugalter 11,5 Jahre!
Und noch immer wird die Steuer hauptsäclich anhand des Hubraums festgesetzt (gilt auch noch für die Mehrheit).
Und wenn du, angeblich bei der HUK arbeitest, zufällig mein Versicherer, weißt du doch ganz genau, dass die Faktoren Unfallhäufigkeit und Jahresfahrleistung die Haupfaktoren für den Tarif sind!
Und die SF-Klasse wird, dank der, ach so notwendigen, ständigen Preiserhöungen immer weniger relevant!
Ich zahle jetzt mit SF35 mehr, als mit SF25! Und das andere Zeug (Stellplatz, Beruf,...) ist noch weniger ausschlaggebend!
Ich hab gerade im November getestet.
Und, dass ich ein Premium-Fahrzeug mit Leistung günstiger versichern kann, als einen Kleinwagen oder gar einen HotHatch ist auch Fakt (durschnittliches Alter des Fahrers/Unfallhäufigkeit bestimmter Fahrzeuge)
@@veemacks7255 Ich hab darauf ausfürhlich geantworzet, es wurde aber gelöscht.
Schön, dass du meinen Versicherer arbeitest, dann argumentiete doch mal.
Und was am erszen Kommentar war unrichtig?
Die Steuern werden nach Hubra angesetzt und für neue Fahrzruge ab EZ 21 ein nennenswerter Co2-Anteil.
Das sind aber die wenigstrn Fahrzeuge in D.
Und ich kann ein Premiumfahrzeug mit Leistung günstiger versichern, als einen unfallhäufigen Kleinwagen.
Die Schadenfreiheitsklasse wird wg Preiserhöhungen immer weniger relevant!
Also zählen Jahresffahrleistung und Unfallhäufigkeit.
@@veemacks7255 Kann nicht darauf antworten, da entfernt wird .Aber schon allein die Behauptung, die Versicherung wurde sich anhand der Farbe berrechnen ist absolut lächerlich!
@veemacks7255 I'm out here, the comments get deleted and what write here has absolutely nothing to do with insurance costs and tarifs for normal people.
And the point wir Co2 in taxing has also no effect for cars before 2020.
The third sunvisor in the mk1 Audi TT that only covers the gap between the headliner and rear view mirror that nobody knows about!
It’s in mk4 golf too unsurprisingly
I have one and never noticed it until I saw it pointed out on a video😂
Same in the Audi A2. While a minor detail, it's one of the great features which help counter the list of foibles which drive me mad about it each time I drive it! (Terrible pedal placement, NVH to rival Massey Ferguson and terrible A-pillar blind spots to name a few.)
And Mk1 Fabia vRS as I recall 👍
my fathers fiat 132 had plexiglass-sun visors… in the eighties!
19:38 Supposedly the 3 litre Clio V6 was made as a reaction to misunderstood rumours of the impending “3 litre Polo” (meaning 3l per 100km). Unless it’s a convenient myth…
I think there has to be a drinking game for how many times Neil randomly gives someone out during a podcast when he raises his finger.
I got a 2008 W211 E220 CDI Avantgarde trim in iridium silver , 1 owner, almost spotless at 78,000 for £2600, spent about £1200 on it runs a dream now. Not a Bruno Sacco design but its the zenith of the quad light design language.
Just before the bad metal period👍
32:48 spot on Neil 🙌 I get up to go work at 3am, every time I get onto the dual carriage way where I live the lights change to red every single time and nothing comes from the side roads 🤬 sends me insane
Really appreciate your dropping these talks about an hour before I finish work on a Friday, I always get a great laugh from you gents, Rj in Oz
I was always told to remember, “consultants tell you the time by your own watch!”.
@@davidthegolfer I was told they are rats swimming towards a sinking ship.
Cambridge University Netball Team...took a couple of seconds for that one to sink in!
Winter driving - Always remember talking with the service manager of a Ford dealership when the XR 4x4 was still on the roads, who told me a story about an owner of said vehicle bringing it back under complaint to the delaership. He had said, that "it doesn't work". What he meant was that he had driven down his drive (down hill) and hit the brakes in the snowy conditions and skated out into the middle of the road. He then stuck it into reverse and tried to back into the same drive (uphill) and the traction control had failed also. He had to be told that when there is zero adhesion between road and tyre, these systems don't really compensate that well.
Neil getting his tea delivered is quickly becoming my favourite moment on the podcast.
Brilliant podcast, thank you gentlemen for the intelligent entertainment.
Seeing my all-time fav 911 the 991 Targa stopped me in my tracks.
I need to start getting up earlier on a Friday for this. My Friday's are so unproductive I might get a written warning like Mr Harris.
£3k bargain car, Fiat Panda 100hp, rare but nobody cares.
I do😅
I do too!
Epic car - Yaris or Celica T sport also
Great suggestion!!
I love the Panda, 4x4 is also in that £3k band. Such a fab little car
Winter driving; the main safety issue is the bloody e-handbrakes. When you grew up in Sweden you learned that the only way to stear a FWD or AWD is handbrake into the corner to make sure you always always always avoid any risk of understeer, understeer will kill you!!!! It also well for RWD vehicles to avoid death at corner entry, with the big difference you can actually steer it out of the corner as well and not just pray you went in hard enough with the hand brake.
So always always keep your hand on the handbrake and foot on the throttle and you will be fine and to get out of trouble!
But watch out of idiots behind you so make sure you go faster than anyone else.
The problem with modern cars are the bloody safety systems, always turned the stability system off on the AMG C63s but it was still on, rolling burnouts on frozen asphalt past lorrys to 120mph but wore out the brake pads on the rear in 4000km.
Best winter car! Tesla Model 3 Performance,put all to drift mode and the regeneration hits the back as well making one pedal driving a handbrake on entry and unlimited wheel speed at exit. Event beats the 911🥳🥳🥳🥳
47:00 Nice mention of Åre, Sweden. Northern Europes biggest ski resort.
Also where Tuthill do their ice racing. :)
Perfect Friday work entertainment. Thanks guys.
FYI, supposedly you should always put an auto into neutral/park when stopped at lights etc
Impeccable chemistry!
Excellent episode, looking forward to the increasing low budget car buying choices. Chris and team for the next cabinet in downing street please!
Another piece of advice for driving in the snow?
Get snow tyres.
Just swap'em over late autumn, and back in spring.
They aren't just better when it snows. They're better when it's cold and dry, when it's cold and wet, and when there's ice.
Plus, it's not even an added cost, as you use either set 50% less so they last twice as long.
Your tyres are the only things that keep you stuck to the road, and yet, in the UK, people haven't realised that.
Regarding tips on how To drive on / in the snow:
1. Have the correct tyres and maybe also chains
2. Leave some more distance (great piece of advice from NEIL WITH AN I)
3. Use the throttle very very very gently !!! This is underestimated by most. I’ve never seen so many people getting this wrong. Especially when starting from stationary position, be super gentle and you’ll be much better off that all those who have pushed the proverbial pedal to the metal
Man i was looking forward to this for the whole week
I just love this podcast.Thanks lads.
The weight thing is actually a positive spiral in every single aspect of the car. Less stuff to manufacture = less cost. Simpler construction means ease of repair and mechanical simplicity. Less weight means better driving dynamics, stopping performance, collision avoidance, less dependency on technology for suspension, steering etc. Then there's the elephant in the room: force = mass X acceleration. 3 ton SUVs going one against the other create incredible forces, two caterhams colliding is almost like bumper cars. This means less stringent safety requirements(even less cost) and a much safer road environment, also for pedestrians.
Very much this. Gordon Murray was saying all this 20 years ago and no one listened so he went off to make trinkets with wonky panels 🤷♂️
I have an A2 which I can't bring myself to part with ... Just needs a GR yaris drivetrain!
The problem with pay by mile is how they keep track of your mileage. You would need trackers in all your cars to compile the list.
Almost every crossing with traffic lights in the Netherlands has got loops under the road which detect if there is a car waiting for the traffic lights. On bigger roads there are also loops like 50 meters before the lights so if you are driving up to the lights and there is no one at the other lights the lights turn green for you before arriving at the lights. In Portugal, I encountered lights that turn red if you were speeding.
For cyclist and sometimes for pedestrians too, there are green lights in a small circle where you can see how much time you still have to wait.
The most important sunvisor is the lexus ls400/ Toyota celsior... it had a tiny sunvisor behind the rearview mirror to stop light beaming through that little gap. Such a simple but genius invention.
A good topic would be, most recognisable taillights at night. My vote would be r34 skyline. Keep up the entertainment lads.
We pay per mile already, maybe scrap vehicle tax, up fuel tax a LITTLE then bosh!! High milers pay fairly ?? Great pod 👍👍 overtaken the ode s&s in my view
916 Spider owners are going to be very pleased with the representation here, me included. Great episode!
Disappointed that none of you mentioned that you should turn off traction control in the snow. You want the wheels to keep moving in the snow you don't want your car to stop the wheels trying to get traction. I learnt this on a Porsche driving experience course
Yeah, it was a weak section. Modern stuff with all the system interference can trip you up and stop you moving. Then there's the e-brake. An analogue handbrake is your friend- in decent snow you've got your left hand on it all the time.
37:13 golden moment. 😂 love the chemistry
Your winter tips are pretty much spot on: keep distance between the car in front of you, don’t assume that 4WD will make you an invincible snow god, use common sense, have good tyres. One of the things I do with any new car is I take it out for a spin in horrible winter conditions to safely learn how the car reacts when you loose grip: in driving school in Finland I was taught to lift off and put in the clutch if you got massive understeer, which didn’t work for my Astra F GSi; immediate lift off oversteer and sideways into the ditch if you didn’t know what to do… So I learned to use it to my advantage by testing the car on ice roads: turn, lift off, and floor it 😂 there’s a reason those are still popular budget FWD rally cars 😎
1:03:19 Chris mentioning Ferrari and Neil casually walking away from the camera to reveal his F40 😂😂❤
The Saab 9.5 is another car with twin sunvisors, so you can do front and side at the same time!
Also, many temporary traffic lights for roadsworks have sensors, so if there is no vehicles coming the other way they switch from red to green - so the technology is out there.
Top tips for winter driving - drive like you have eggs/your child/dog strapped to the front of the car and anticipate all that you see before you. Also remember that once the tyres break traction/grip you are a sliding mass with no controls or abilities to change pace or direction, even if you are in some expensive or clever 4 x 4!
Manish, you continue to deliver exceptional music recommendations. Cracking stuff.
Woohoo! Perfect Friday morning
Recently moved to Italy and you can always choose to either fill the car yourself or pay a little extra for someone else to do it! They also have 100 octane fuel 👌
Driving on northern Swedish snow (you're inches off the actual road) when temps are below -10°C is easy. There's no water at that temp and the snow/ice is actually quite sticky. You have to try ridiculously hard to get the ABS to kick-in. People routinely drive at 60+mph, even the lorries.
Much different here where there's so much water making it so slippery.
Excellent topics today. £3k car series, that's sorted out my weekend looking for a £4k for next week. 🎉
Ive owned all of these cars.. bought an old 3.0l slk for £800 😊.. the slk was probably the best car but the alfa was probably my fave.. had the z4 when it was newer but it had a horrible ride and wasnt that quick.. great start to the podcast.
1956 VW beetle sunvisors…. The best looking. Connected to the rear view mirrors.
An absolutely brilliant podcast.
I have the best sunvisor in my 1972 Rover P5 B with the optional to this car and also Rolls-Royce is which is the chrome bar supporting a brown smoked Perspex sunvisor. This you can put down in full sun and still see through it but the sun is occluded to a completely acceptable brightness.
Pretty much the same as Mr. Clifford but sadly Plastic and not glass as I guess a few years after his bean counters chipped in.
Same as my 1959 P4.
@@mrcogginsgarage7062 Class, not Clifford Class but I love them lol
18:30 what about hybrid? you drive a X5 50e, 2400kg = €6000 extra
They are crazy.
34:09 many places in Germany have this. For many many years now. It works with wires in the asphalt near the red light. So at night, always drive close to the lights. 😂
You guys should make a playlist of the. Music tracks , would be great on a nice long drive..
Excellent, as usual. KBO chaps.
My favorite sunvisor is absolutely the one above the rearviewmirror in the UCF21 Lexus LS400
Cars in the us for 3k are amazing. The 90s suburbans and cameros, the firebirds and of course the ford crown Victoria
The Polo Chris mentions was actually a Lupo. There was an Audi A2 version with the same 1.2l tdi too.
I have a 1.6 petrol A2 which is under a tonne and easily averages over 40mpg with shell E5.
Unfortunately A2 production was canned by Piech's sucessor as they were costing more to make than they could sell them for.
It's a shame they didn't develop it into something like the i3.
The top 1% heaviest cars in America caused 12x as many deaths as lives they saved. Surely, a weight tax is an appropriate way to make the roads safer. If you make the choice to drive an X7, you should pay more in tax (or registration) than the person driving a Ford Puma. Lighter cars are simply better and we've known it since the the golden years of Lotus. Maybe the legislators could do something useful for once.
Chris reaction from 4:50 to 5:10 had me LMAO!😂
In Zurich, Switzerland, cars are taxed on a combination of weight and engine size. EVs and hybrids do receive a bonus.
It took me 30 minutes to clock the fact that Neil is wearing a torch on the back of his head... Was he not aware it was switched on or is this yet another daring fashion choice by Neil?
Edit - Good to hear Neil also mention the Yaris GR in the 2CG... Because I literally just bought one (outright for a great price) after having a moment of clarity that a GR Yaris is literally all the car I want and need on UK roads and driving conditions nowadays... Which is sad in a way but also quite liberating. It's a sensational little thing, and with where things are heading I plan to keep it permanently, even as a second car down the line. Zero buyer remorse.
That is Neils newly developed enlightened mode.
Look after that Yaris Paul! I suspect it's going to be worth a pretty penny when the party is over
Yes, I spotted that too. Warming his neck.
Neil’s torch might be turned on to warn people coming in the door behind him that he is doing a live podcast. Last week, someone came in and brought Neil a cup of tea during the live show….
I might not have registered it at all had you not brought this up. Hilarious. It may just be a halo of sanctity manifesting spontaneously upon attaining ungodly amounts of wisdom. With regards to the Yaris, I'd need to rework the styling to a large extent, especially in the rear to be satisfied with it but mechanically, it is an absolute peach and one of the most interesting enthusiasts' cars built in the past decade+. That thing just ticks so many boxes I'm frankly amazed it was produced at all amongst a sea of uninspiring, heavily flawed and compromised, overpriced junk. People buying these are dodging a whole lot of bullets. Smart.
I love Neil's head mounted rear fog-light
I have a Merc 220 Avant-garde D 114,000...worth £700....erm looks good and starts everyday and it's a pillerless coupe. Plus in a highly distinguished road in Westminster parked among the obvious cars for there it sits well.
Neil, I like the look of the space you're in.
Probably the best episode ...........Now 2 car garage .... You have just got out from doing 'a handful on the 'moor.....you need 2 cars - a getaway car for work , must be capable of a brisk departure with four 19 stone chums on board and a boot big enough for the items collected. Then a jaw dropper vehicle for the photographers in order to deposit your impossibly long legged lady friend outside the Hotel De Paris in Casino square in something she needs assistance to climb out of .....Budget not important - was not thinking of paying for them.
Manish - Spotify is pretty good. Some learning there too if you opt for DJX. Various radio stations are very good too.
I am all in on you fellas going to Number 10 or Number 11 to defend the petrol engine and lighter cars.
53:40 Honestly thank you Chris Cooper
So-called 'intelligent' Traffic Lights already exist in my locality. They simply use a camera to activate Red Light. Time based change of priority until clear in one particular direction. Main carriageway takes precedence for traffic flow. Also, alternate route suggestion based upon RDS info etc. has been available via Sat.Navs for years...
Cracking show chaps please keep up the great work…
I remember my dad telling me about the experience he had driving his Automatic Mercedes C200 Kompressor in North Wales in the snow and ice, I think he could have sold more books than Terry Pratchett
Another great chat and completely agree with the mass situation. Also the less mass the less casualties you'd have when they crashed, But the SUV trend in cities came about because people wanted to keep their children safe and companies realised the more mass the more money they get out of people.
Shopping Utility Vehicles 🛒 end of fun. Get a wagon or a minivan for job.
I've said for years the easiest and fairest way would be to replce VED with a higher fuel duty. It promotes efficiency, is proportionate to mileage and the mechanism for collection is already in place so zer cost to collect and police.
Alos that pic put up was of a Lupo not a Polo I'm pretty sure.
But my main question is why Neil Clifford has a head torch band on backwards?