Very interesting - I had never disassembled the lock. I found it tricky to open, but I never suspected it would have a pin-in-pin driver in there. Great video, and a great job opening that lock!
Thanks again for this. I could tell there was something screwy about #6. It remained springy no matter what I did... even after setting (the first time). Sometimes that means a spool, but not when the pin is set so high. I should have immediately thought of pin-in-pin (and I would have if it was a challenge lock), but I never suspected I would find this in a factory CISA. Remarkable.
Thanks... picking is super relaxing for me... or maybe that's the Irish Whiskey that I'm normally drinking when I pick. Well, in either case, I'm relaxed!
It’s kinda like ASMR, but without someone whispering creepily in your ear. It’s just very relaxing to close your eyes and hear LPL’s calming voice saying “1 is loose, 2 is binding, small click out of 2, moving onto 3 which is binding, looks like we’ve fallen into a false set, probably a spool, getting some counter rotation, big click on 3 which should be set...” and so on.
@@connorm3436 going through a bout of heavy insomnia at present... have stumbled on this channel and am finding it exceptionally relaxing going through these old videos
Excellent pick! CISA is definitely upping their game with the steel spine and pin in pin technology. I would think that Mul-T-Lock would have patent protection on that technology but apparently not. Great vid as is customary for you! Thanks!
Thanks... this is definitely a step above the other Astrals I have encountered. MTL pin in pin is totally different from this... besides, those patents ran a long time ago, I would imagine.
An important point: i've talked a couple days ago with a few locksmiths here in italy. The decision of Cisa to employ the two types (stiff and flexible) laminated steel over the entire lenght of the cylinder is questionable. It means that IRL it doesn't work, it slightly delays the action of mole grippers but can't prevent the snapping. Now this is much less of a problem since most doors in Italy are armoured, meaning the cylinder sits behind a defender (escutcheon). The truth is, that aside being easily pickable, the english have done a much better job against snapping. This is due to the fact that rarely they have armoured doors, but mostly pvc doors. Hence, the necessity to have a cylinder that resists snapping by itself. As a consequence the birth of the 3 star TS007 standard. The mul t lock integrator xp, the yale platinum 3 star, the ultion, and the avocet abs although, as i said, with very poor key security control (except the integrator) and mediocre picking resistance, DO a much better job against snapping...which honestly is a much more clear and present danger.
This is very fascinating as an American, as an attack against the lock itself in America is quite rare. To my knowledge most attacks here are against the door or door jam, typically with a pry bar.
@@AshtonK1816 I think in most countries the police will tell you that lock picking is rare. Forcing happens on less secure locks but once you get to a decent lock they will just use a pry bar or hammer, or something heavy adjacent. I had my ground floor windows made laminate to ensure no one could smash their way in without making a lot of noise for this reason.
@@AshtonK1816 At least in Britain the doors they use now are quite resistant to prying attacks, locking into the frame at half a dozen points all down the side in a way that you used to see only in security doors. The materials aren't as strong as a security door of course, but it's enough to shift the weakest link from the frame to the lock. At that point snapping the lock and pulling the front half clear out of the door becomes the easiest attack.
I have only seen ONE "Euro lock" in person and NO DOORS with it as I live in Canada and we use "AMERICAN" style NOT global / Euro I assume a lot of the lock is exposed outside the door itself IN America "deadbolts" DO protrude out but have a CONE shaped collar that makes getting a wrench on it impossible OR "mortise"? doors and the LOCK face is flush but the lock body is on the "safe" side not the middle of the door
@@AshtonK1816 My dad, in London, got a really fancy lock (he had some quite expensive artwork). The robbers smashed the street door in with a sledghammer.
The Cisa (pronounced "cheesa", they're Italian) Astral's snapping protection is laminated like that because the idea with it is that the materials are bendy/stiff and so if you do manage to deform the stiff part in the middle then the bendy bits will keep everything together. They can still be snapped though, it just makes it more frustrating.
@@lockpickinglawyer indeed pretty simple: if "C" is followed by I or E, then the sound is "ch", otherwise it is "k". If there is an "S" before the "C", like "SC" and there is I or E after, then the sound is "sh", otherwise the sound is "sk". Well, kind of simple! :-P
@@USUG0 I'm Italian. I think that the most dangerous pronunciation trap for a native English speaker, as regards the "C" sounds in Italian, is that if there is a "H" after the C, the C will become a K even if after there is an I or an E. For example "Che" sounds Ke. "Chi" sounds Ki. That is exactly the opposite as in English.
not really, it's just steel, it'll only slow them down. Now if there where some tungsten carbide inserts in there, then you have something that just snaps drill bits.
Yeah I also have issues with high cuts especially in these restrictive keyways. Just ordered this one along with the Winkhaus N-tra and the ABUS D6XNP. Can't wait to try out my custom picks on these. That pin in pin was a huge surprise 🫢 in the end though. I wonder if the Astral Sigillo has more than one of them installed.
Wow thats certainly not what I was expecting when the title said pin in pin... I was thinking MTL style pin in pin. You're right it looks like they've taken a page out of the lockport challenge lock book.
Nice pick... I am pleased to see the steel inside. But that conferms that the side os the drill spot with only one piece of protection. But I noticed that the #6 driver didn't jump for the magnet. Not that it matters that far in the lock. But it makes sense that it isn't steel as it was definitely been in several machines. lol Thanks for the great video
That was me struggling... J/K. This was obviously not my first pick of this lock. The first time through took a bit longer, but I think it was the bitting more than anything else that stumped me. 6 is hard to reach.
Again all barrels with the rotary core it's a week point. I'm a upvc installer we have drilled so many lock's like that going through loads of bit's. When we got a tip, u just tien a set of mole grips on the lock that sticks out, give them a good wack to the side and the centre core will break and release the mechanism.
Great picking as always. ;) You can find the same pin in pin in the models Bicard Trial S, Mistral S and Dual XP S. (anti-bump?) If you pick in the European sense, no problem. :o)
LockPickingLawyer I see...if I sent one your way would you do a video showing your technique for raking them? I've been trying to pick it to control but to no avail.
Hey! Really enjoy your videos man, my brother got me a Sparrows set for Christmas and I've been having a blast picking locks. I just wanted to ask, what kind of vice do you have, and would you have a recommendation for a few? Thanks!
Thanks. My vice is a cheap Amazon product. It's OK, but not something I would recommend... but also not so bad that I'm itching to replace it. I don't have a recommendation.
الكثير لا يفهم لماذا يدور الكانو بي الريشة لي فتحه ، لأن المفتاح عند دوران الكانو لا يخرج بي سبب مسكه من طرف الأسنان ، تغيرت الي جهة لا توجد فيها الرفاس
I would never buy these kind of locks, they can be opened within 2 seconds, the weak point is centre of the barrel because so much has been cut out and then drilled what small part was left so just a nudge down the side of the barrel with a screwdriver breaks it in two and door open
I'm baffled by this lock. What are passive pins? I've watched lots of your videos, but not seen you mention them in any I've watched. And then there are 6 holes on one side of the cylinder, 7 holes on the other side, but it's only a 6 pin lock and there are only 3 passive pins (not 7 passive pins). So, what the heck are all those extra holes doing? I don't get it.
OK. So I watched again and the three passive pins are on the side with seven holes, and there are two empty holes before and after the three holes that have passive pins. So what's the point of that? Is it to trick lockpickers into trying to pick the wrong side of the keyway? Does it do something else, if the key is turned the wrong way? Why don't the driver pins drop down into those other holes, and get stuck?
I'm in Construction.... put a screw driver between door and frame and pry and most doors pry apart super easy and you'll just spread the door and frame and let the bolt just come out of the frame hole Deadbolts are long to prevent this All doors windows are installed into a larger opening and shims to fit so that's where you get lots of easy pry movement
Great video as always. How would you compare Cisa astral S to EVVA EPS/DPI in terms of picking resistance, brute force attacks (let’s say snapping) and overall built quality? Thank you in advance.
Cisa astral is considered really basic security here in italy. No key copy protection, the laminated steel doesnt work to prevent snapping either. As a matter of fact it didnt earn the british 3 star TS007 kitemark. I would go with Evva with no overthinking, even tho they didnt get the kitemark either unless you specally ask to mount the anti snap trap. A yale platinum or avocet do a way better job against snapping but have lower overall quality construction and poor key copy protection.
Interesting information. Here in Greece, Cisa cylinders like the Astral S, AP3S/AP4S, RS3S are VERY common too. Especially in armoured doors. And since I'm constantly in contact with local locksmiths, I have to confirm that the long steel and rubber inserts at the bottom of every Cisa S(Sigillo) cylinder are not as effective as the usual thick solid steel bar that most modular cylinders (like the EVVAs) have. Locksmiths here, usually break the Cisa S cylinder's main brass body and then they twist it until the the outside piece of the cylinder breaks apart. Something that cannot happen with the EVVAs. But the reason I am asking, is because many locksmiths here believe that it is harder to pick, bump or impression a dimple cylinder like the Astral S than a cylinder with a key like the one the EVVA EPS/DPI has. Picking almost "doesn't exist" here. It is impractical unless you have a pick gun and you are trying to open a very simple (not a dimple) lock. Bumping is the most practical and common non-destructive method used here. So if a pick gun(electric or manual) does not work on the EVVA EPS, then I too consider it as a better alternative to the Astral S.
@@menemme would this "basic" be for a home or is this business / security "basic" IN America that is BEYOND ANYTHING a "normal" home would have and would be reserved for business premises where some security is needed American homes are lucky to have spool pins and 6 pin with most being normal pins and 5 pin "SC1" Schlage OR quickset equivalent
but how can that pin in pin can do anything serious when the key pin is essentially a standard? I mean wouldnt the point of pin in pin be that both the inner and outer pins have to be at different heights?
So, the eight cuts in the key to the left are the pins with that one drill protection in the side. What are the four cuts on the right side of the key?
The key is symmetrical, so it doesn’t matter which side you 8nsert. So those cuts aren’t to the side, they’re on the opposite (bottom) side. So: passive pins.
Can someone please explain to me why the locks in so many of these videos are set up like this where there is one on one side and a second on the other? Wouldn't you have to cut the thing in half to put it in a padlock or a door? It doesn't make sense to have locks on both sides.
These are not for padlocks, these are for doors, and yes, there's one lock for each side. To insert them in a door, you use the key on one side, turn the lever so it is within the profile, shove it into the hole in the door and then secure it with a screw from the side (you can see the hole for it right below the lever). As to why there's locks on both sides: I don't really know. I can only figure that having thumb turns on the inside make it easier to just bypass the lock entirely if there's enough room to fit a specialised tool for that, or - if already using brute force - smashing some glass that may be within the door or near it that wouldn't be big enough to pass through oneself, but big enough to fit an arm to reach it. To be honest, I don't remember many doors having a thumb turn on the inside here - despite working a profession where I see many locks that are used in a variety of use cases (read ranging from private over commercial to industry), except hotel doors that aren't on the high end of security anyway. Regarding locks for padlocks and doors that are only accessible from one side: These do also exist, those are called "Euro Profile half cylinder" instead of "Euro Profile full cylinder" or "Euro Profile cylinder" in short.
@rem45acp I know it's a year later but just in case you're still about... I have that style lock on both my front and rear doors. The lock goes all the way through the door exposing a keyway to the inside and outside of the property. You can't lock yourself out your house by closing the door without your key (since no self latching) and you can prevent someone unlocking from one side by leaving the key inserted on the other.
It appears to be the Chinese GOSO dimple pick set, probably slightly modified. Would need him to confirm but i'm pretty sure by the looks of the handle. I would love to see a video of his most commonly used dimple picks.
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"gave me a little bit in trouble" is LPL for "this lock is unpickable good job"
Very interesting - I had never disassembled the lock. I found it tricky to open, but I never suspected it would have a pin-in-pin driver in there. Great video, and a great job opening that lock!
Thanks again for this. I could tell there was something screwy about #6. It remained springy no matter what I did... even after setting (the first time). Sometimes that means a spool, but not when the pin is set so high. I should have immediately thought of pin-in-pin (and I would have if it was a challenge lock), but I never suspected I would find this in a factory CISA. Remarkable.
Is it just me who finds picking videos really relaxing?
Thanks... picking is super relaxing for me... or maybe that's the Irish Whiskey that I'm normally drinking when I pick. Well, in either case, I'm relaxed!
these videos would be relaxing even if he was narrating world war 3 out of my window with his calm voice
It's relaxing for me too, and also kind of satisfying.
It’s kinda like ASMR, but without someone whispering creepily in your ear. It’s just very relaxing to close your eyes and hear LPL’s calming voice saying “1 is loose, 2 is binding, small click out of 2, moving onto 3 which is binding, looks like we’ve fallen into a false set, probably a spool, getting some counter rotation, big click on 3 which should be set...” and so on.
@@connorm3436 going through a bout of heavy insomnia at present... have stumbled on this channel and am finding it exceptionally relaxing going through these old videos
Excellent pick! CISA is definitely upping their game with the steel spine and pin in pin technology. I would think that Mul-T-Lock would have patent protection on that technology but apparently not. Great vid as is customary for you! Thanks!
Thanks... this is definitely a step above the other Astrals I have encountered. MTL pin in pin is totally different from this... besides, those patents ran a long time ago, I would imagine.
We have the same lock on our doors and its comforting knowing that they’re good!
An important point: i've talked a couple days ago with a few locksmiths here in italy. The decision of Cisa to employ the two types (stiff and flexible) laminated steel over the entire lenght of the cylinder is questionable. It means that IRL it doesn't work, it slightly delays the action of mole grippers but can't prevent the snapping. Now this is much less of a problem since most doors in Italy are armoured, meaning the cylinder sits behind a defender (escutcheon).
The truth is, that aside being easily pickable, the english have done a much better job against snapping. This is due to the fact that rarely they have armoured doors, but mostly pvc doors. Hence, the necessity to have a cylinder that resists snapping by itself. As a consequence the birth of the 3 star TS007 standard. The mul t lock integrator xp, the yale platinum 3 star, the ultion, and the avocet abs although, as i said, with very poor key security control (except the integrator) and mediocre picking resistance, DO a much better job against snapping...which honestly is a much more clear and present danger.
This is very fascinating as an American, as an attack against the lock itself in America is quite rare. To my knowledge most attacks here are against the door or door jam, typically with a pry bar.
@@AshtonK1816 I think in most countries the police will tell you that lock picking is rare. Forcing happens on less secure locks but once you get to a decent lock they will just use a pry bar or hammer, or something heavy adjacent.
I had my ground floor windows made laminate to ensure no one could smash their way in without making a lot of noise for this reason.
@@AshtonK1816 At least in Britain the doors they use now are quite resistant to prying attacks, locking into the frame at half a dozen points all down the side in a way that you used to see only in security doors. The materials aren't as strong as a security door of course, but it's enough to shift the weakest link from the frame to the lock. At that point snapping the lock and pulling the front half clear out of the door becomes the easiest attack.
I have only seen ONE "Euro lock" in person and NO DOORS with it as I live in Canada and we use "AMERICAN" style NOT global / Euro
I assume a lot of the lock is exposed outside the door itself
IN America "deadbolts" DO protrude out but have a CONE shaped collar that makes getting a wrench on it impossible OR "mortise"? doors and the LOCK face is flush but the lock body is on the "safe" side not the middle of the door
@@AshtonK1816 My dad, in London, got a really fancy lock (he had some quite expensive artwork). The robbers smashed the street door in with a sledghammer.
Lpl; puts every pin carefully in the right slot of the tray, to be able to put it back together.
Also Lpl: messes them all up with a magnet!
9:18 woah to 9:24 I've made a mess of things.. Great video, that made me laugh.
Me too. I've never seen him goof like that.
I'm sure he can just review the footage, though.
The Cisa (pronounced "cheesa", they're Italian) Astral's snapping protection is laminated like that because the idea with it is that the materials are bendy/stiff and so if you do manage to deform the stiff part in the middle then the bendy bits will keep everything together. They can still be snapped though, it just makes it more frustrating.
Darn, been saying it wrong all this time. Thanks.
@@lockpickinglawyer indeed pretty simple: if "C" is followed by I or E, then the sound is "ch", otherwise it is "k". If there is an "S" before the "C", like "SC" and there is I or E after, then the sound is "sh", otherwise the sound is "sk". Well, kind of simple! :-P
@@USUG0 I'm Italian. I think that the most dangerous pronunciation trap for a native English speaker, as regards the "C" sounds in Italian, is that if there is a "H" after the C, the C will become a K even if after there is an I or an E. For example "Che" sounds Ke. "Chi" sounds Ki. That is exactly the opposite as in English.
wow that is an amazing lock. all them steel pins will make it impossible to drill that core out...
Agreed... drill this one would be possible, but very frustrating.
but wouldnt it easier to just drill below the pins and let them fall out together with whatever is left of the springs?
not really, it's just steel, it'll only slow them down. Now if there where some tungsten carbide inserts in there, then you have something that just snaps drill bits.
Yeah I also have issues with high cuts especially in these restrictive keyways. Just ordered this one along with the Winkhaus N-tra and the ABUS D6XNP. Can't wait to try out my custom picks on these.
That pin in pin was a huge surprise 🫢 in the end though. I wonder if the Astral Sigillo has more than one of them installed.
Wow thats certainly not what I was expecting when the title said pin in pin... I was thinking MTL style pin in pin. You're right it looks like they've taken a page out of the lockport challenge lock book.
I wonder how long they have been doing this... more specifically, if it predates Flywheel's pin in pin lock (the first one, to my knowledge).
Ooh that magnet test must've made the reassembling more difficult.
One might think so, but all he would need to do is watch the video to find out which was which.
Conclusion: CISA Astral S is a very good cylinder, LPL spent 120sec to pick it, 01:36 - 03:36.
Nice pick... I am pleased to see the steel inside. But that conferms that the side os the drill spot with only one piece of protection. But I noticed that the #6 driver didn't jump for the magnet. Not that it matters that far in the lock. But it makes sense that it isn't steel as it was definitely been in several machines. lol
Thanks for the great video
It might be that I didn't get the magnet close enough. Honestly, I don't remember if I checked #6.
Wow beautiful pins! Very well picked.
Thanks.
Great job picking as always brother and thanks for sharing!
OK, it is 3:25 now and I understand that this lock is impossible for mortals to pick.
Taking the pi$$ with these 2 full length adverts you can't skip.
CISA is an italian proud.
no i love watching lock picking videos and your right they are relaxing
That sixth pin was like your Khan.
well done, i was expecting you to struggle , but no...
:)
That was me struggling... J/K. This was obviously not my first pick of this lock. The first time through took a bit longer, but I think it was the bitting more than anything else that stumped me. 6 is hard to reach.
Again all barrels with the rotary core it's a week point. I'm a upvc installer we have drilled so many lock's like that going through loads of bit's. When we got a tip, u just tien a set of mole grips on the lock that sticks out, give them a good wack to the side and the centre core will break and release the mechanism.
It's not often we hear that you find a Lock hard... think I'll be staying away from one of these for a while, lol. Great pick and gut :-)
This is well within your skills. It just threw me for a loop at first. The bitting/warding was also challenging.
Excellent travail bravo
Have you tried Scandinavian ASSA lock. When I get back to Sweden I will send you 2 of them, one for research and one to pick, Love your teaching.
Fabulous video, love watching you work.
Awesome lock and awesome pick :0)
Thanks.
GOOD MORNING lpl .GREAT SPP'D vary interesting lock thanks for sharing😎😎😎😎😎
Thanks.
there have been snapped in the UK, great locks though.
Check out the Avocet ABS and ATK euro locks.
See video 302 for the Avocet ABS. I'm not familiar with the ATK. I'll have to look that one up.
LockPickingLawyer quite a number of ATK on ebay from the u.k.Think they have trap pins which would be up your alley
Why does LPL pick these euro cylinders upside down??
They are fitted the other way up in doors. Does holding them upside down make it easier?
Very neat lock and surprise pin!
Actullay, what is the purpose of the passive pins?
very nice dimple lock great picking👍😊😊
Thanks.
Great picking as always. ;)
You can find the same pin in pin in the models Bicard Trial S, Mistral S and Dual XP S. (anti-bump?)
If you pick in the European sense, no problem. :o)
Thanks for the info. I assumed it was anti-bump or impressioning.
Wow. Very cool! How dies the pin-in-pin work?
Nice lock, great pick on that 👍
Thanks.
NOTHING...... can stop LPL!!
But We ALL should know that locks are only to keep honest people out.
This is the lock on my door. I feel scared now.
Nice pick! Do you ever pick Best locks? I don't see any on your channel. Also I just subscribed but you have great content keep it up!
Occasionally. Mostly I rake them. The dual shear lines are not very easy to SPP.
LockPickingLawyer I see...if I sent one your way would you do a video showing your technique for raking them? I've been trying to pick it to control but to no avail.
+TheTranq Bill has a good one: ruclips.net/video/B-zGO6KZjno/видео.html&app=desktop
Hey! Really enjoy your videos man, my brother got me a Sparrows set for Christmas and I've been
having a blast picking locks. I just wanted to ask, what kind of vice do you have, and would you have a recommendation for a few? Thanks!
Thanks. My vice is a cheap Amazon product. It's OK, but not something I would recommend... but also not so bad that I'm itching to replace it. I don't have a recommendation.
looks like a great lock. lots of security features. nice surprise that pin in pin.
Very nice surprise.
الكثير لا يفهم لماذا يدور الكانو بي الريشة لي فتحه ، لأن المفتاح عند دوران الكانو لا يخرج بي سبب مسكه من طرف الأسنان ، تغيرت الي جهة لا توجد فيها الرفاس
Awesome pick 👍
Very cool lock.
AGreed.
"C" like in "cheese". Sorry for being a bit picky (pun intended) :)
Thenkio vert matchs
That was unexpected! =)
Which would you say are good beginner dimple locks/cylinders?
And how do one know when one is ready for pin in pin?
Hard to say. My first dimple locks were the Abus D6 and D10. After that, my next two were MTL Interactive and Junior.
So in conclusion...... it's a good lock?
I think I have this model at home, should I be happy?
very nice videos, but i want to know if cisa rs5 is pickable (because i want to change my lock) ty
Let me ask a dumb question, why are locks made of brass?
which is more secure ASTRAL-S or C3000?
Whats the difference between standard and modified standard
super
I would never buy these kind of locks, they can be opened within 2 seconds, the weak point is centre of the barrel because so much has been cut out and then drilled what small part was left so just a nudge down the side of the barrel with a screwdriver breaks it in two and door open
Do think that pin in pin came standard? Are there other lock companies that include them?
Yes, and I don't know.
It appears that Italians are good at making locks. Who knew?
I'm baffled by this lock.
What are passive pins? I've watched lots of your videos, but not seen you mention them in any I've watched.
And then there are 6 holes on one side of the cylinder, 7 holes on the other side, but it's only a 6 pin lock and there are only 3 passive pins (not 7 passive pins).
So, what the heck are all those extra holes doing? I don't get it.
OK. So I watched again and the three passive pins are on the side with seven holes, and there are two empty holes before and after the three holes that have passive pins.
So what's the point of that?
Is it to trick lockpickers into trying to pick the wrong side of the keyway?
Does it do something else, if the key is turned the wrong way?
Why don't the driver pins drop down into those other holes, and get stuck?
all the proff if you need to put a stop to the lock picker just buy abloy and no one will open your door but yourself
Perhaps... or they will use alternate means of entry. "Weakest link" is the name of the game.
I'm in Construction.... put a screw driver between door and frame and pry and most doors pry apart super easy and you'll just spread the door and frame and let the bolt just come out of the frame hole
Deadbolts are long to prevent this
All doors windows are installed into a larger opening and shims to fit so that's where you get lots of easy pry movement
Is it good cylinder or not?
Why does all lockpickers put thé cylinder pin up while in europe you are always going to find it placed pin down 🧐!?
Great video as always.
How would you compare Cisa astral S to EVVA EPS/DPI in terms of picking resistance, brute force attacks (let’s say snapping) and overall built quality?
Thank you in advance.
Cisa astral is considered really basic security here in italy. No key copy protection, the laminated steel doesnt work to prevent snapping either. As a matter of fact it didnt earn the british 3 star TS007 kitemark. I would go with Evva with no overthinking, even tho they didnt get the kitemark either unless you specally ask to mount the anti snap trap. A yale platinum or avocet do a way better job against snapping but have lower overall quality construction and poor key copy protection.
Interesting information. Here in Greece, Cisa cylinders like the Astral S, AP3S/AP4S, RS3S are VERY common too. Especially in armoured doors. And since I'm constantly in contact with local locksmiths, I have to confirm that the long steel and rubber inserts at the bottom of every Cisa S(Sigillo) cylinder are not as effective as the usual thick solid steel bar that most modular cylinders (like the EVVAs) have. Locksmiths here, usually break the Cisa S cylinder's main brass body and then they twist it until the the outside piece of the cylinder breaks apart. Something that cannot happen with the EVVAs.
But the reason I am asking, is because many locksmiths here believe that it is harder to pick, bump or impression a dimple cylinder like the Astral S than a cylinder with a key like the one the EVVA EPS/DPI has.
Picking almost "doesn't exist" here. It is impractical unless you have a pick gun and you are trying to open a very simple (not a dimple) lock. Bumping is the most practical and common non-destructive method used here.
So if a pick gun(electric or manual) does not work on the EVVA EPS, then I too consider it as a better alternative to the Astral S.
@@menemme would this "basic" be for a home or is this business / security "basic"
IN America that is BEYOND ANYTHING a "normal" home would have and would be reserved for business premises where some security is needed
American homes are lucky to have spool pins and 6 pin with most being normal pins and 5 pin "SC1" Schlage OR quickset equivalent
Lpl my hero
Is there any chance that the driver in #6 is for anti bump?
A very good chance IMO... impressioning also.
Can you explain the difference in picking a pin and a pin in pin?
but how can that pin in pin can do anything serious when the key pin is essentially a standard? I mean wouldnt the point of pin in pin be that both the inner and outer pins have to be at different heights?
It can be quite vexing to pickers. It makes a pin that is really bound feel springy (i.e., not bound).
@@lockpickinglawyer so basically it feels NOT set when it IS set?
So, the eight cuts in the key to the left are the pins with that one drill protection in the side. What are the four cuts on the right side of the key?
The key is symmetrical, so it doesn’t matter which side you 8nsert. So those cuts aren’t to the side, they’re on the opposite (bottom) side. So: passive pins.
They just pull the lock from the door and then turn the lock and get in.
Can we say this Italian lock is not bad at all?
Can someone please explain to me why the locks in so many of these videos are set up like this where there is one on one side and a second on the other? Wouldn't you have to cut the thing in half to put it in a padlock or a door? It doesn't make sense to have locks on both sides.
But they do so it must make sense.
These are not for padlocks, these are for doors, and yes, there's one lock for each side. To insert them in a door, you use the key on one side, turn the lever so it is within the profile, shove it into the hole in the door and then secure it with a screw from the side (you can see the hole for it right below the lever).
As to why there's locks on both sides: I don't really know. I can only figure that having thumb turns on the inside make it easier to just bypass the lock entirely if there's enough room to fit a specialised tool for that, or - if already using brute force - smashing some glass that may be within the door or near it that wouldn't be big enough to pass through oneself, but big enough to fit an arm to reach it. To be honest, I don't remember many doors having a thumb turn on the inside here - despite working a profession where I see many locks that are used in a variety of use cases (read ranging from private over commercial to industry), except hotel doors that aren't on the high end of security anyway.
Regarding locks for padlocks and doors that are only accessible from one side: These do also exist, those are called "Euro Profile half cylinder" instead of "Euro Profile full cylinder" or "Euro Profile cylinder" in short.
@rem45acp I know it's a year later but just in case you're still about... I have that style lock on both my front and rear doors. The lock goes all the way through the door exposing a keyway to the inside and outside of the property. You can't lock yourself out your house by closing the door without your key (since no self latching) and you can prevent someone unlocking from one side by leaving the key inserted on the other.
Yo dawg. I heard you like pins, so..
pronunciation is chisa non sisa
xD I call this castle is 1.5 hours opened ! xD turned 6 times still could not understand how to move pins xD and there was a gear
i need more practice on these
Finding them at the right price, I suppose, is the issue.
Is this lock more secure or ABS ?
what is snapping?
When the cylinder sticks out a bit, you grab it with a vise grip or similar, and then snap it in half. Then you turn the lock cam with a screwdriver.
Y cylinder up side down on vice & before pick y to dismantled
Who makes your dimple picks?
It appears to be the Chinese GOSO dimple pick set, probably slightly modified. Would need him to confirm but i'm pretty sure by the looks of the handle. I would love to see a video of his most commonly used dimple picks.
That's would be great
SpooXe... hand-finished GOSO's by a fellow in Germany.
What's a passive pin?
Well picked Harry
Very interesting with the Pin In Pin
My most recent video happens to be
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Stop picking door locks upside down it is cheating.
Laboratoires de serrures ,
Tell me please, is it good cylinder or not?
It’s better than most.
LockPickingLawyer thanks for answer