Cade was good today. They knew what he was going to do yet still couldn’t stop him. I wanted to see specific things from Cade this year: initiate the offense faster, got to the rim stronger, make guys around him better, and have his play result in wins. In my opinion he is doing all of these things. Still needs to go faster and harder, but he’s on his way there.
This loss and the Charlotte loss really hurt, but conversely the Laker win was great. They are still a young team under a new coach in a system they have played in for less than a month. It’ll get better as they get more experience and comfortable in their roles.
we lost this game due to Tobias can not shoot free throws and not being able to rebound. We need better PF and C and have needed them for past 3 seasons.
@@dbuck2862Ivey had 26/0/0 shooting splits and had 6 turnovers. He was pressing the entire game literally for no reason. Ivey my guy, but bruh is soft. He doesn't play above the rim like guys like Green, Westbrook, Ja, Fox although he possess the intangibles.
@@philosoqhy and they still lost the game due to missed free throws at the end of the game by T. Harris. and not being able to rebound. The end game they lost due to only those two things. Ivey wasn't the reason they lost. If you are veteran and you can not hit free throws in clutch moment that is bad. we have lost 3-4 games this season due to our big's can not rebound and box out at the end of the game, when we had lead, could of gain lead, or clutch put back opportunities.
@@dbuck2862 Ivey is the focal reason for Pistons lost. "To much is given, much is required". As co-general of the team Ivey have to be better in terms of efficiency. Bruh didn't even have 10points on almost relative 20 attempts.
Been talking about Iveys poor decision making for 2 years now. First time I’ve ever heard it on this pod. Crazy. Ivey has been better as a decision maker this year to his credit but tonight he fell right back into his old habits
Ku was critical of Ivey all summer and decision making was a big part of it. This season Ivey has been out playing his critics expectations until last night.
I’ve been in these comments supporting Ivey and believe he will be a great player but he had a horrible game. Teams are starting to dare him to shoot the pull ups because they don’t want him driving by and he’s just not shooting them.
Fact. Ivey just a idiot bruh. Im tired of bru forcing those low quantity rim pressuring shots aligned with him not tapping into his in-between game the defense gives him. Ivey been coo but bruh could be way better this year.
@@philosoqhy Ivey has improved significantly at the rim this year. He shouldn't be taking mid range shots at high volume. This was just a rare bad game
This team is killing me on their free throw shooting. Jaden Ivey missed a few a game or two ago. They need to address this. Last couple games lost by a point or two. May of won those games if they were making more free throws. It's not hard to hit a free throw lol. Team needs to take time in practice to work on this
FT shooting is mostly an off season skill development. But working with a shooting coach throughout the season to keep your form fine tuned also helps.
Ausar is good, but he’s not yet the Superman you are making him out to be. He can’t cover everyone and while he does pass well he has not shown he can dribble and shoot. You are pretending all his potential has already manifested.
@@cordelldemattei5446 unfortunately I’ve watched all but one game. If you’re going to tell me anyone besides Stew and Ivey are showing heart I can tell your ball watching. Cades been the worst offender on the defensive end, continuously finding himself closing out to the corner because he got caught ball watching or not closing out a dribble lane to the basket. I get it in his case given he’s the primary ball handler and likely tired but dude he needs to lead by example, if he’s bustin his ass? Everyone will
stop we need better PF/C we lost 3 games due to our big can not rebound at clutch times with seconds left. Ausar would of been guarding the wing and not even in position any of those games to rebound. And they also need to hit free throws.
Pistons have to practice end of game scenarios against shot and game clocks. Pistons HAVE to play much better defence and attend to fundementals such as boxing out on rebounds..
Bro Ku keep saying it a wing problem when we lost 3 games on last second rebounds and not boxing out. We need better Big (PF, C) that can rebound and defend. Wing want help you if you can not rebound or defend inside.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 first time i heard that one, most consider wing SF/SG.. but if the wing is 6'10-7'0 then it yeah, as long as he can rebound and box out, and play defense.
@@dbuck2862 I found it confusing as well. I'm not sure exactly when the terminology changed. Two years ago I tried to argue the Pistons needed a PF not a wing and was told that PFs are wings. I did some research to confirm the change and have noticed podcasters increasingly using the new definition. I'm not sure how long until they give a new title to defensive non shooter/passers. Maybe they just stick with centers and guys like Ausar will not cleanly fall into any category.
@@scottwickett1273Agreed. I was impressed with Bobi and thought he could outplay Ron this season but we don't know if he can get it done against NBA players
@@pheralanpathfinder4897ron Holland is the youngest player in the nba right or one of em calm down dude just turned 19 like Duran was only 18 still only 20 don't give up on players to soon like the past might I remind you of Kris Middleton Spencer they also should still have bey ion kno why they broke him and cade up but yea I see let ron grow he already has defense and handles he the same player as a asur Thompson just play a little better d but Holland is better on offense
@@kingloon-m4m ? I specifically said better this season. And even said that we don't know if Bobi can get it done against NBA players. So far Ron hasn't looked close to Ausar. But the sample size is small. Thus far Ron has been more like Diallo than Ausar but he could develop over the next few years.
1st Listen. The team is playing pretty good defense. The chemistry needs to improve and shot selections. Not having Duren is something we can't afford and hopefully Ausar will play this season. Better days are ahead.
Jabari is mostly a jump shooter. That's why I didn't have him ranked as high as many others in the draft. That said he would be a perfect center for Ausar
@ I wasn’t saying all the time, but in this game Sengun was pulling Stew out and he had Tobias on him, not a stout interior defender. He could turn and shoot an easy short shot right over him.
The reffs were allowing the Rockets to play AGGRESSIVE defense throughout THE WHOLE GAME. We were allowed to play the same until the 4th quarter, thats when the Rockets started getting to the line more. Did anybody see the grabbing and pushing they were getting away with. Surprised we didn't get beat by twenty.
If Fontecchio can't make shots why would coach give him a bigger role? I'm not sure what the problem is, but it's up to Tek to get healthy or whatever. Giving him more minutes isn't going to fix anything.
Can't win when Cade and Ivey combine 10 turnovers! JB was let go by the CAVS because the offense was stagnant and they didn't take the offense to the next level! Too much dribbling..too many carless turnovers and Tobias Harris needs to be more a part of the offense plus Ausar and Bobi will really help!! The start of the game was a joke...and like Ku said TERRIBLE execution at the end!!
Ive saod thos last year and imma stick to it...trade ivey and throw in jalen duran he's too injury prone and i ey is an inconsistent scorer that plays shitty defense tjat cant playmake
Ivey has been less bad on defense and our second best and most consistent player on offense. Don't let the past blind you to the present. That said Ivey is the one asset that could start a conversation for an All Star player. Probably an old one or overpaid with injury concerns. But whatever All Star we want is going to come at a steep price.
@@samadagoat7769 I don't expect Cade to win regular season MVP awards. So if that is your standard, then he probably isn't a Franchise player. Has any Piston player ever won a regular season MVP award?
Cade needs to tighten up his handle and play with a bit more energy and tenacity. We have to be able to rely on him when people send doubles at him and press him. He’s too lethargic with the ball to be a lead ball handler
I've seen way more tenacity this season. Probably because he's fully recovered from the shin injuries. I'd prefer Cade pass out or the early double teams.
Rockets own the Pistons. Rockets are 6-1 against Detroit since the 2021 draft when this “rivalry” began. Should’ve drafted Eason instead of Ivey and Duren.
@ averaging 13.5ppg, 7.5rpg, and 2.4apg as a third option isn’t trash but I’m not sure I’ll count on him in crunch time, but that is why he is a third option. It’s be nice if we had another guy to make him the 4th option, but that isn’t on Tobias.
If you watch a clip of the play instead of the snap shot you'll have a different take. Cade defended the ball handler forcing a pass to Green. Then Cade moved in front of Green to make the dunk more difficult. Sadly Cade was the only defender in the area.
Pistons should make the play in...just get healthier and clean things up! The EAST is terrible at the bottom..will soon be TANK CITY..WIZ...NETS...Bulls..RAPS and Char!!!
No, the Pistons are one of the tankers too: the way that you can tell is that Langdon chose not to hire a backup point guard. Also, "get healthier" does not make sense in this context, as they are objectively better when Duren can't play.
Love how u point out how many shots Jalen took n missed but ur boy Cade shot 10-21 n missed same amount of shots but took 4 more.. but yea ur boy Cade got baptized by JG!!! Lmao 🤣
@@ahmadatiqi345 you do understand that 10/21 is WAY better than 4/15, right. And Ivey tried to single handedly close the game on an off night and failed badly. I’m a big Ivey supporter, but it was a bad afternoon capped off by bad decisions for him. Hopefully he bounces back to the form he’s been playing all season.
@ I kno but I was jus trolling cuz dude was hating on JG, yea he missed bunch of shots but people love to kill him when he’s not having a great game.. n that dunk was just sick..
Ausar back 🔥
Cade was good today. They knew what he was going to do yet still couldn’t stop him.
I wanted to see specific things from Cade this year: initiate the offense faster, got to the rim stronger, make guys around him better, and have his play result in wins. In my opinion he is doing all of these things. Still needs to go faster and harder, but he’s on his way there.
I can't wait till we get to about game 25 so we can really evaluate our team/players and other teams/players.
Ivey had a terrible game. Hard to win with that and the horrible rebounding.
I wanna see Cade go back to
Middy Cade like his rookie year
Ausar is BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A welcome addition it will be!!!!!!!!!!! Just needs to ramp up!!!
This loss and the Charlotte loss really hurt, but conversely the Laker win was great. They are still a young team under a new coach in a system they have played in for less than a month. It’ll get better as they get more experience and comfortable in their roles.
Bloodclots are such a scary dangerous area i’m
not sure NBA has clarity yet
for this game, Ivey reverted to last year's version. his consecutive forced plays down the stretch most likely cost us the game.
Growing pains, yes.
Ivey should not have tried to close out the game himself. It was ugly. And I’ve been an Ivey defender, but he cost us the game today.
we lost this game due to Tobias can not shoot free throws and not being able to rebound. We need better PF and C and have needed them for past 3 seasons.
@@dbuck2862Ivey had 26/0/0 shooting splits and had 6 turnovers. He was pressing the entire game literally for no reason. Ivey my guy, but bruh is soft. He doesn't play above the rim like guys like Green, Westbrook, Ja, Fox although he possess the intangibles.
@@philosoqhy and they still lost the game due to missed free throws at the end of the game by T. Harris. and not being able to rebound. The end game they lost due to only those two things.
Ivey wasn't the reason they lost. If you are veteran and you can not hit free throws in clutch moment that is bad.
we have lost 3-4 games this season due to our big's can not rebound and box out at the end of the game, when we had lead, could of gain lead, or clutch put back opportunities.
@@dbuck2862 Ivey is the focal reason for Pistons lost. "To much is given, much is required". As co-general of the team Ivey have to be better in terms of efficiency. Bruh didn't even have 10points on almost relative 20 attempts.
@@dbuck2862 You are really stupid!
Seems like Duren is always gonna have ankle issues.
Duren career might be over sadly
No excuse for any nba player to not be a good free throw shooter.
there was no "collapse".. tobias just didnt hit the free throws to sens it to OT
Been talking about Iveys poor decision making for 2 years now. First time I’ve ever heard it on this pod. Crazy. Ivey has been better as a decision maker this year to his credit but tonight he fell right back into his old habits
Ku was critical of Ivey all summer and decision making was a big part of it. This season Ivey has been out playing his critics expectations until last night.
What’s the update on Bobi? It’d be nice to see how our 6’10” forward looks.
He would make a big difference...a stretch 4 with playmaking chops and very good in transition!!
@ we don’t know yet how he looks against NBA competition, only NBL and summer league, but I would sure be interested in seeing.
@@cordelldemattei5446I know but he definitely has basketball IQ that's good as an older guy; will definitely lead to something
I’ve been in these comments supporting Ivey and believe he will be a great player but he had a horrible game. Teams are starting to dare him to shoot the pull ups because they don’t want him driving by and he’s just not shooting them.
Fact. Ivey just a idiot bruh. Im tired of bru forcing those low quantity rim pressuring shots aligned with him not tapping into his in-between game the defense gives him. Ivey been coo but bruh could be way better this year.
@@philosoqhy Ivey has improved significantly at the rim this year. He shouldn't be taking mid range shots at high volume. This was just a rare bad game
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 The rockets are one of the few teams that can match his athleticism. I expect a bounce back next game also
This team is killing me on their free throw shooting. Jaden Ivey missed a few a game or two ago. They need to address this. Last couple games lost by a point or two. May of won those games if they were making more free throws. It's not hard to hit a free throw lol. Team needs to take time in practice to work on this
FT shooting is mostly an off season skill development. But working with a shooting coach throughout the season to keep your form fine tuned also helps.
Ausar is good, but he’s not yet the Superman you are making him out to be. He can’t cover everyone and while he does pass well he has not shown he can dribble and shoot. You are pretending all his potential has already manifested.
He can definitely dribble. Most of the league cant fr. Nkt perfect but no a liability. He just has to slow down like most young players.
He’s definitely the lack of hustle this team has tho. I mean they have seemingly no heart and few talents, a dangerous combo
@@The13thDisciple so, you haven’t seen them play this season. Got it.
@@cordelldemattei5446 unfortunately I’ve watched all but one game. If you’re going to tell me anyone besides Stew and Ivey are showing heart I can tell your ball watching. Cades been the worst offender on the defensive end, continuously finding himself closing out to the corner because he got caught ball watching or not closing out a dribble lane to the basket.
I get it in his case given he’s the primary ball handler and likely tired but dude he needs to lead by example, if he’s bustin his ass? Everyone will
@ both Holland and Hardaway are out there hustling as well.
Ku bro u right. I can’t wait til ausar comes back he does so much it’s just not the same. Ron Holland don’t have the rebounds
stop we need better PF/C we lost 3 games due to our big can not rebound at clutch times with seconds left. Ausar would of been guarding the wing and not even in position any of those games to rebound. And they also need to hit free throws.
@@dbuck2862 Blame Weaver, he was the worst GM in the history of the sport.
@@dbuck2862and yet Ausar manages to get many rebounds when playing SF.
@@scottwickett1273 I blame WEAVER for a lot including who was drafted.
Pistons have to practice end of game scenarios against shot and game clocks. Pistons HAVE to play much better defence and attend to fundementals such as boxing out on rebounds..
IVEY totally out of control!
Bro Ku keep saying it a wing problem when we lost 3 games on last second rebounds and not boxing out. We need better Big (PF, C) that can rebound and defend. Wing want help you if you can not rebound or defend inside.
Many people consider PF a wing because they need to shoot three point shots now
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 first time i heard that one, most consider wing SF/SG.. but if the wing is 6'10-7'0 then it yeah, as long as he can rebound and box out, and play defense.
@@dbuck2862 I found it confusing as well. I'm not sure exactly when the terminology changed.
Two years ago I tried to argue the Pistons needed a PF not a wing and was told that PFs are wings. I did some research to confirm the change and have noticed podcasters increasingly using the new definition.
I'm not sure how long until they give a new title to defensive non shooter/passers. Maybe they just stick with centers and guys like Ausar will not cleanly fall into any category.
Ku you nailed it...Simone looks like he's playing in cement...way too slow for an NBA wing!! Ausar and BOBI are a huge upgrade over Simone and Ron!!!
You do not yet know if Klintman is an NBA player at all, because nobody does.
@@scottwickett1273Agreed. I was impressed with Bobi and thought he could outplay Ron this season but we don't know if he can get it done against NBA players
@@pheralanpathfinder4897ron Holland is the youngest player in the nba right or one of em calm down dude just turned 19 like Duran was only 18 still only 20 don't give up on players to soon like the past might I remind you of Kris Middleton Spencer they also should still have bey ion kno why they broke him and cade up but yea I see let ron grow he already has defense and handles he the same player as a asur Thompson just play a little better d but Holland is better on offense
@@kingloon-m4m ? I specifically said better this season. And even said that we don't know if Bobi can get it done against NBA players.
So far Ron hasn't looked close to Ausar. But the sample size is small. Thus far Ron has been more like Diallo than Ausar but he could develop over the next few years.
Had no idea Ku played DBD 😂
👀👀
1st Listen. The team is playing pretty good defense. The chemistry needs to improve and shot selections. Not having Duren is something we can't afford and hopefully Ausar will play this season. Better days are ahead.
Not having Duren may be why the defense looks decent
@@cordelldemattei5446 Exactly, Duren is a horrible garbage player who makes you lose.
I was amazed they didn’t camp out Smith down low to destroy Tobias all afternoon since Sengun can pull Stew away from the rim.
Jabari is mostly a jump shooter. That's why I didn't have him ranked as high as many others in the draft. That said he would be a perfect center for Ausar
@ still he had a 2” height advantage, plus reach and jumping advantage over Tobias. He should have been working him down low.
@@cordelldemattei5446he couldn't even back down cade or guard cade Harris bigger than cade
Size is overrated. Jabari couldn't dominate the post against NCAA defenses. How is he going to do so against NBA defenders?
@ I wasn’t saying all the time, but in this game Sengun was pulling Stew out and he had Tobias on him, not a stout interior defender. He could turn and shoot an easy short shot right over him.
The reffs were allowing the Rockets to play AGGRESSIVE defense throughout THE WHOLE GAME. We were allowed to play the same until the 4th quarter, thats when the Rockets started getting to the line more. Did anybody see the grabbing and pushing they were getting away with. Surprised we didn't get beat by twenty.
I saw it, and it COST US THE GAME WAY MORE THE ANY, OF THE MISTAKES WE MADE... if the ref's call it FAIR... WE WIN, that game, MISTAKES and ALL.
Refs been cheating us for YEARS!
coach wants tek to be complete player instead of 3pt assassin. he should have more minutes with Cade
Coach should not want that. Tech has a role.
Yeah maybe but coach has to get there. Whenever he talks about Tecc he says ‘he’s more than a shooter’
@ he has to get back to even being a shooter first. Be a good 3 and D guy first before you try to diversify because right now he’s just a turnover.
Coach should take Tobias out earlier leave Tecc in with Cade for feet-set 3s
If Fontecchio can't make shots why would coach give him a bigger role?
I'm not sure what the problem is, but it's up to Tek to get healthy or whatever. Giving him more minutes isn't going to fix anything.
Lions got our revenge 1-1 vs Houston
Can't win when Cade and Ivey combine 10 turnovers! JB was let go by the CAVS because the offense was stagnant and they didn't take the offense to the next level! Too much dribbling..too many carless turnovers and Tobias Harris needs to be more a part of the offense plus Ausar and Bobi will really help!!
The start of the game was a joke...and like Ku said TERRIBLE execution at the end!!
Nice gig all career overpaid, if your Tobias. NBA Board of Gov. Must remove the corner three's Splash Buddy was passed up
I agree!
Ive saod thos last year and imma stick to it...trade ivey and throw in jalen duran he's too injury prone and i ey is an inconsistent scorer that plays shitty defense tjat cant playmake
Ivey has been meaningfully better this year; totally agree that Duren is lousy.
Ivey has been less bad on defense and our second best and most consistent player on offense. Don't let the past blind you to the present.
That said Ivey is the one asset that could start a conversation for an All Star player. Probably an old one or overpaid with injury concerns. But whatever All Star we want is going to come at a steep price.
Lets have a show without your hat
I feel lied to, they made it seem like he would be back by training camp...
The Pistons hyped up Ausar's return to sell tickets. Just like they said Bojan would be good to go at the beginning of the season last year.
Ghosting u for 30 days bro
Lets have some TOY STORY Pistons analogies. I see your figurines in the background
They have bobi as a strong wing
Paul Reed for Zach Collins.
Some size, shooting, shot blocking & they don't need him cause they got Wemby
Cade don’t give me franchise player vibes
How do you define Franchise Players
@ Lebron James , Kevin Durant , Ja Morant , Steph curry etc etc
@@samadagoat7769 It is well established that you are a stupid ignorant toddler clown, though.
@@samadagoat7769 I don't expect Cade to win regular season MVP awards. So if that is your standard, then he probably isn't a Franchise player. Has any Piston player ever won a regular season MVP award?
Cade needs to tighten up his handle and play with a bit more energy and tenacity. We have to be able to rely on him when people send doubles at him and press him. He’s too lethargic with the ball to be a lead ball handler
I've seen way more tenacity this season. Probably because he's fully recovered from the shin injuries. I'd prefer Cade pass out or the early double teams.
@ This game against the heat was exactly what I was talking about in this comment
Pistons have a newer owner... The Houston Rockets!!
There are at least 25 other teams that can make that claim
How do the Pistons not win these close games, while the Lions have 6 interceptions and still find a way to win?
They should go get Jae crowder.
Bobi is more NBA ready than Ron!!! We need him
You do not know that, Klintman might not be an NBA player at all.
If you don't know how any of this shit works, just say so.
Bobby Klintman needs to get called up from G League for 5 games and some minutes. If he does good keep him on the roster.
He’s not on the Cruise, but still out with a calf contusion.
he is injured
Rockets own the Pistons. Rockets are 6-1 against Detroit since the 2021 draft when this “rivalry” began. Should’ve drafted Eason instead of Ivey and Duren.
To be fair, the entirety of the NBA has owned the Pistons since then, not just Houston.
Yea Tari is awesome, and yea I had him pretty high on the list for that draft (5 IIRC, and definitely ahead of both Ivey and Duren).
Been telling yall Tobias is trash he a barely a rotation player just over hyped and over paid
@ averaging 13.5ppg, 7.5rpg, and 2.4apg as a third option isn’t trash but I’m not sure I’ll count on him in crunch time, but that is why he is a third option. It’s be nice if we had another guy to make him the 4th option, but that isn’t on Tobias.
@@cordelldemattei5446 Nope! It's on the new GM who is definitely deliberately tanking.
ExKuses. Blame everyone, but Ca e. Ca e ass got Dunked on and remained lost somewhere on that poster. He was shook and didn't do shit afterward.
what are u talkin abt? are u a little jalen green fan who got hyped after scoring his 9 pt😂
@@y.j0hnnyboi112 He's a weird slanderous liar, my theory is Cade boned his girl.
If you watch a clip of the play instead of the snap shot you'll have a different take.
Cade defended the ball handler forcing a pass to Green. Then Cade moved in front of Green to make the dunk more difficult. Sadly Cade was the only defender in the area.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 He quit after being dunked on. He was basically rendered useless. Jalen snatched the soul from his body.
Pistons should make the play in...just get healthier and clean things up! The EAST is terrible at the bottom..will soon be TANK CITY..WIZ...NETS...Bulls..RAPS and Char!!!
No, the Pistons are one of the tankers too: the way that you can tell is that Langdon chose not to hire a backup point guard.
Also, "get healthier" does not make sense in this context, as they are objectively better when Duren can't play.
@@scottwickett1273how could Trajan possibly find a backup PG with only 10m in unspent cap and an open roster spot. Har har
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Well played, my friend!
Love how u point out how many shots Jalen took n missed but ur boy Cade shot 10-21 n missed same amount of shots but took 4 more.. but yea ur boy Cade got baptized by JG!!! Lmao 🤣
@@ahmadatiqi345 you do understand that 10/21 is WAY better than 4/15, right. And Ivey tried to single handedly close the game on an off night and failed badly. I’m a big Ivey supporter, but it was a bad afternoon capped off by bad decisions for him. Hopefully he bounces back to the form he’s been playing all season.
@ I kno but I was jus trolling cuz dude was hating on JG, yea he missed bunch of shots but people love to kill him when he’s not having a great game.. n that dunk was just sick..
@ green had the highlight dunk but Cade was clearly the better player
Cade wouldnt have gotten dunked on if his handle wasnt so loose lol
Jalen green is shooting less than 40 percent from the floor this season. He’s lucky he has players around him with bail him out.