My First Stanford Math Tournament Problem

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  • @blackpenredpen
    @blackpenredpen  3 года назад +90

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  • @felipep9324
    @felipep9324 2 года назад +271

    I’m not sure anyone else has mentioned this but I came up with a really simple solution:
    Rather than making a circle, just create a right triangle with base x and height x^2 (height is y)
    This would seem useless, except that we’re actually given the value of the hypotenuse straight up. Its the distance from the origin to the point (5,0), so five.
    Now we have a right triangle with sides x, x^2, and 5
    From here we just use pythagorean theorem to create an equation for x-
    25=x^4+x^2
    0=x^4+x^2-25
    This is just a simple way to reach the halfway point in the video- from there just solve as shown

    • @pierrickbramberger4206
      @pierrickbramberger4206 2 года назад +4

      Same

    • @juanitome1327
      @juanitome1327 2 года назад +10

      Yeah it also seemed to me like he could’ve skipped half the blackboard with the geometric reasoning. The theta, x, x^2 triangle left the problem self explanatory. But he solved it like a madman, proving he does not only know how to solve this exact problem but any problem with an analytic approach and useful math tools

    • @flynncrean8107
      @flynncrean8107 2 года назад +4

      Ya I did exactly that then to find the angle did inverse tan f(x) / x which worked

    • @Agent-ic1pe
      @Agent-ic1pe 2 года назад +10

      This is exactly the same as creating a circle, because the equation of a circle is found using a right triangle. x^2 + y^2 = r^2, it doesn't matter if you think of it as a right triangle or a circle.

    • @TeDynef
      @TeDynef 2 года назад

      I am so great to see that. I thought of that sooooo fast and it will work

  • @user-ot4rp8yn8r
    @user-ot4rp8yn8r 3 года назад +212

    OMG I CANT BELIEVE I ACTUALLY DID IT
    I attempt to do the same way but I converted cos²θ to 1-sin²θ, then I assume I add a value 'a' in θ will make parabola rotate to that shape, so sub in quadratic in sine with θ=0, r=5 to solve a and I get 1.131 rad too.

    • @tgwnn
      @tgwnn 3 года назад +10

      Yeah I don't know why he said it doesn't help? I thought he'd substitute r=5 and end up with a cubic equation or something

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 3 года назад +4

      @@tgwnn yeah, check out my comment about it if you want, but you can just do this:
      rsinθ = r^2 cos^2(θ), cancel 1 r, use cos^2(θ) = 1 - sin^2(θ), put r=5
      You'll get a Quadratic in sinθ, then you can solve for tanθ, using the fact that they are both positive as θ is acute, and thus tanθ = sinθ /√(1+sin^2(θ))

    • @drewkavi6327
      @drewkavi6327 2 года назад +2

      Exact way I did it

    • @MikehMike01
      @MikehMike01 2 года назад

      @@tgwnn it doesn’t help in the sense that it doesn’t make the problem easier

    • @tgwnn
      @tgwnn 2 года назад

      @@MikehMike01 that's arguable right? I'd say it's a more straightforward way of getting the same equation so it makes it easier (in a way)

  • @BeastM140i
    @BeastM140i 2 года назад +107

    Over the years you’ve grown my Love for mathematics! So much so, in fact, I’ve picked up a major in applied mathematics and physics while doing my degree in pharmacy. I very much appreciate your videos

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  2 года назад +23

      Glad to hear! Best wishes to you, Cobalt Chemistry!

    • @BeastM140i
      @BeastM140i 2 года назад +4

      @@blackpenredpen thank you :)

    • @bruhe8895
      @bruhe8895 Год назад

      W brotha

  • @Cyclone1024
    @Cyclone1024 2 года назад +38

    The polar form can also be used to solve this. Just add an offset to the theta of polar form equation, put r=5, theta=0 and solve for the offset and you’ll get same answer

  • @glauberrocha2033
    @glauberrocha2033 2 года назад +42

    The first problem of your channel that I solved correctly is an unique emotion! Thank you, your videos are really helping me to improve my math abilities!

  • @nikoivan2580
    @nikoivan2580 3 года назад +366

    Finally rotations. Now go for quaternions, and explain them for me so I can understand what that numbers are.

    • @tgwnn
      @tgwnn 3 года назад +39

      Nobody understands quaternions lol

    • @ashwinraj2033
      @ashwinraj2033 3 года назад +1

      @@tgwnn same lol

    • @ChaineYTXF
      @ChaineYTXF 3 года назад +1

      There are also books online and other videos, you know😁

    • @SimonPetrikovv
      @SimonPetrikovv 3 года назад +34

      @@tgwnn 3blue1brown would like to know your location

    • @tgwnn
      @tgwnn 3 года назад +5

      @@SimonPetrikovv I watched his videos (re-watched a little now too), and they're definitely very well done, and everyone should watch them, but I'd still say that it doesn't really come close to "understanding" them. It's still some scary frankenstein method that just works. But this is just my impression and my intuition, if yours works differently, more power to you :)

  • @Altyverse
    @Altyverse 2 года назад +27

    You were my professor for the alg1/2 combo class at pierce I think 2014-2015! you were one of my favorites! I think I got a A in your class lol

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  2 года назад +15

      Wow it’s been a while! Hope all is well!

  • @shadow-bm5wj
    @shadow-bm5wj 3 года назад +27

    you could also do it by converting to polar,
    from 2:10 :
    r = sin/(1-sin^2)
    and r is just 5 in this case(since the rotated parabola crosses x-axis at 5)
    just solve for sin(thena) and we get
    sin(theta) = (-1+root(101))/10
    theta = 64.8

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 3 года назад

      Yes, we can also solve for tan theta from here, as asked originally

    • @Darkev77
      @Darkev77 3 года назад

      Why is r=5? r would be 5 only if theta was 0 no?

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 3 года назад

      @@Darkev77 why would r be 5, if the angle is 0, if the angle is zero, then r is also 0 because the only point on the parabola which is at an angle 0 from origin and x-axis, is the vertex of the parabola

    • @Darkev77
      @Darkev77 3 года назад

      @@anshumanagrawal346 thanks for the response! But isn’t theta=0 at r=5 (x-intercept)?

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 3 года назад

      @@Darkev77 You have to decide, are you analysing the case with the rotated parabola, or rotated axes?

  • @SimonPetrikovv
    @SimonPetrikovv 3 года назад +58

    The way I did it was to put the rotated version of the cartesian plane on the original one (but labeling x' and y' on the other axis), then I saw that the angle between the axis x and x' was exactly θ, so I needed to use the rotation matrix like this:
    [x] = [cos(θ) -sin(θ) ] [x']
    [y] [sin(θ) cos(θ)] [y']
    Since in the x' y' coordinated system the point (5,0) is in the parabola, we can put (5,0) as the input (x',y') then we'd get (x,y) = (5cos(θ),5sin(θ))
    Since y = x^2, then we'd have 5sin(θ) = 25cos^2(θ) => sin(θ) = 5cos^2(θ) => 5sin^2(θ)+sin(θ) = 5(cos^2(θ) + sin^2(θ)) = 5 => 5sin^2(θ)+sin(θ)-5 = 0 => sin(θ) = (-1+-sqrt(101))/10
    Since θ is in the first quadrant, we'd have to choose + instead of -, so we'd get sin(θ) = (sqrt(101)-1)/10, since sin^-1 is defined in the interval [-π/2,π/2], then we can use sin^-1 since the sine is positive and we'd get θ = sin^-1((sqrt(101)-1)/10) and we're done
    If you're asking if it's the same answer as in the video, we can find cos(θ) from sin(θ) = 5cos^2(θ), which would be 5cos^2(θ) = (sqrt(101)-1)/10 => cos(θ) = +-sqrt((sqrt(101)-1)/50), since θ is in the first quadrant, then we'd get cos(θ) = sqrt((sqrt(101)-1)/2)/5
    Since sin(θ) = 5cos^2(θ) => tan(θ) = 5cos(θ) => tan(θ) = sqrt((sqrt(101)-1)/2), which would yield the same result ^^

    • @aghaahmed5946
      @aghaahmed5946 3 года назад

      how did u use the rotation matrix tho

    • @SimonPetrikovv
      @SimonPetrikovv 3 года назад +3

      @@aghaahmed5946 if you rotate the axis by a angle of theta, having new axis x' and y', the relation between those coordinates are given by the formula I used there
      The thing was to make sure it was really a rotation of theta in the counterclockwise direction, which was the way I've choose to represent the two sets of axis to get the point (x',y') = (5,0) into the parabola
      But the way it was shown in the picture, you rotated the parabola instead of the axis, I just made things the other way around in other to use the rotation matrix

    • @SimonPetrikovv
      @SimonPetrikovv 3 года назад

      @@aghaahmed5946 but if the question is how to get the rotation matrix (maybe without using linear algebra, only geometry), I can show you by sending a link to imgur with the explanation (which I have yet to write xD)

    • @aghaahmed5946
      @aghaahmed5946 3 года назад

      @@SimonPetrikovv like i know abt the matrix but i’ve never used it like this

    • @SimonPetrikovv
      @SimonPetrikovv 3 года назад +1

      @@aghaahmed5946 neither did I! I saw the problem and thought it might've worked, and it really did! It was a nice trick in order to do this specific question xD

  • @anshumanagrawal346
    @anshumanagrawal346 3 года назад +50

    My two solutions that I really like:
    1) Just like how he showed in the video, get r = sec(θ) tan(θ) , then substitute r=5 (you can think about this as rotation of axes, if it doesn't immediately make sense intuitively) , square both sides, use sec^2(θ) = 1 + tan^2(θ) , and solve for tan(θ) (you'll get a Quadratic in terms of tan(θ))
    2. (I already wrote a comment about this before watching the video, where I've explained it in detail)
    Imagine instead of solving in this situation, where the parabola is rotated, we rotate the parabola back by θ, and along with the portion of the x-axis that it cuts between the origin and (5,0), now this rotated line segment is a part of a straight line passing through the origin, so it's equation is of the form y=kx, where k is the slope of this line, which is also equal to tanθ, also note that k is a positive real number, as θ is acute. Now, using some standard Co-ordinate geometry and algebra, we find the intersection point of y=x^2 and y=kx, in terms of k, and now we set the distance of this point from the origin equal to 5, as by rotating, the length of the line segment (secant inside the parabola, I guess you could say) does not change. And after simplifying a bit by squaring and all that you get the same Quadratic in k, as you did in tanθ in the first way.
    (The Co-ordinates of point are (k,k^2), and the Quadratic in both cases (in terms of tan^2(θ), or k^2 in the second case, and not in terms of just k, or just tanθ) is of the form t^2 + t - 5^2 =0, solving which you will get t=(√(101)-1)/2, taking only the positive value of t)

    • @sr.tarsaimsingh9294
      @sr.tarsaimsingh9294 3 года назад +1

      I get yours comment; That's great that you written such long comment bro 🙏🏻🙏🏻;
      I want to discuss my idea in short; I am weak in such typing skills.

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 3 года назад

      @@sr.tarsaimsingh9294 ok, what do you wanna discuss?

    • @donc9836
      @donc9836 2 года назад

      HI. (1) no need to square, express in sine and cosine... you have your quadratic already

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 2 года назад

      @@donc9836 ok

    • @fantasypvp
      @fantasypvp 10 месяцев назад

      I would probably just multiply by a matrix and substitute in x and y to get simultaneous equations in terms of sin(a) and cos(a) then solve for a. seems like the most intuitive method off the top of my head (from the perspective of an A level further maths student)

  • @mps_horizon122
    @mps_horizon122 Год назад +2

    I used an alternate method that involves using a general formula (it gives the rotation anticlockwise though), xSin(a) + yCos(a) = (xCos(a)- ySin(a))^2. I subbed in the values given, x=5 and y=0 then, I rearranged to calculate the value of feta. Upon expansion on the right with the substituted values you get 5Sin(a) = 25Cos^2(a), take out 5 and then use trig identity of Cos^2(a) = 1 - Sin^2(a). You then get Sin(a) = 5 - 5Sin^2(a). I then solve it quadratically and get Sin(a) = 1 - squrt(101) all over 10. The answer I got was -64.8 degrees or positive rotation of 295.17.

  • @Leo-gb1mo
    @Leo-gb1mo 2 года назад +20

    At first i wondered why he's holding a pokeball, then i remembered it is a Mic.

  • @SyberMath
    @SyberMath 2 года назад +2

    Nice problem and a great explanation!!! 😍

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  2 года назад +1

      Thanks, SyberMath!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath 2 года назад

      @@blackpenredpen No problem, man! I love your teaching style!

  • @isaackay5887
    @isaackay5887 3 года назад +6

    Has my life really resolved to watching these kinds of videos in my spare/relaxation time before heading to my Analysis class?....😅😂

  • @itzmrinyy7484
    @itzmrinyy7484 2 месяца назад

    The way you made it seem like such a simple process doing things I could never have thought of. Amazing!

  • @ashrafalam6385
    @ashrafalam6385 2 года назад +4

    You can use r=sec(θ)tan(θ). If the angle of rotation we want is a, then the new rotated graph is r=sec(θ+a)tan(θ+a). We need this to go through the polar coordinate (5,0) so substitute r=5 and θ=0 to get 5=sec(a)tan(a). Multiply through by cos^2(a) to get 5cos^2(a)=sin(a). Use cos^2(a)=1-sin^2(a). 5sin^2(a)+sin(a)-5=0. And then use quadratic formula to solve for sin(a) and then arcsin and we are done!

    • @Beginning497
      @Beginning497 10 месяцев назад +1

      So , we get theta = arcsin[(-1plus or minus (101)^1/2]÷10....?

    • @Beginning497
      @Beginning497 10 месяцев назад

      Yeah I got the the same values....

  • @ayssinaattori9313
    @ayssinaattori9313 Год назад +1

    I calculated it by finding the intersection point of the circle and parable. Then i calculated the distance between the intersection point and (5, 0) and used it to form an isosceles triangle inside the circle, with the base being the line segment between the intersecton point and (5, 0) and the legs being the radius of the circle. Lastly I calculated the angle using the law of cosines.

  • @MathAdam
    @MathAdam 3 года назад +103

    I didn't pause and try. I'm soooooo ashamed!

    • @omjoglekar3677
      @omjoglekar3677 3 года назад +13

      I did ! Check out my solution and tell me what you think. Which is better ? Mine or bprp's ?

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  3 года назад +28

      No worries 😆

    • @joe4582
      @joe4582 Год назад

      And now with x^4 and N1= 0 N2=4

    • @wobushini709
      @wobushini709 Год назад +1

      I did, and it was pretty complicated because I had to discover what rotating a graph actually means
      I ended up solving a trigonometry equation: 5*(sin teta)^2 + sin teta - 5 = 0
      So I kinda understand why you didn't try

    • @MichaelOfRohan
      @MichaelOfRohan Год назад +1

      Everybody poops

  • @ammardian
    @ammardian 2 года назад +6

    Ahh I see how you solved it. I solved it by making a circle of radius 5, and finding the intersection between that circle and the original equation. This gave me a point on y=x^2 that when rotated by an angle, would produce (5,0), from there I treated the point on y=x^2 that intersected with the circle as a vector from the origin to that point, I then treated the point (5,0) as a vector from the origin as well. From there I used the dot product identity to find cos(theta) and then find theta.

  • @hussainqadah6406
    @hussainqadah6406 3 года назад +7

    You could also use the polar form and set "r = 5" and solve for theta

  • @foxtrot8325
    @foxtrot8325 3 года назад +1

    Just rotated the number 5+0i anticlockwise by angle θ like so:
    ( 5+0i )( cosθ + isinθ) = 5cosθ + 5isinθ
    Now y = x² so 5sinθ = (5cosθ)²
    So, 5sin²θ + sinθ - 5 = 0 and solving by the quadratic equation(and ruling out the one wrong root) we get:
    θ = arcsin( (√(101)-1)/10) = 1.131 rad =64.82° (approx)
    This is the reason I *LOVE* Complex Numbers.

  • @adityaadit2004
    @adityaadit2004 2 года назад +12

    Lmao this was what I thought when first learning about quadratic equation "I wonder if I can rotate this graph freely?"

  • @alexdixon265
    @alexdixon265 3 года назад +13

    The way I solved it was imagining a circle of radius 5 in order to find out where it intersected the unrotated parabola because that would be the corresponding point on the rotated parabola. Then I simply set up the equations
    y=x²
    x²+y²=25
    Got the intersection point and took the inverse tangent of the x value

    • @foxtrot8325
      @foxtrot8325 3 года назад +1

      Wouldn't you take the inverse tangent of y/x? Like so: arctan(y/x) ?

    • @farrattalex
      @farrattalex 3 года назад +1

      This how I did it. I find this approach rather elegant and quick.

    • @farrattalex
      @farrattalex 3 года назад

      @@foxtrot8325 Since y=x^2, you get phi=arctan(y/x)=arctan(x)

    • @alexdixon265
      @alexdixon265 3 года назад

      @@foxtrot8325 Originally that’s what I was going to do, then I realized because the parabola is defined by the equation y=x², which means arctan(y/x)=arctan(x²/x)=arctan(x)

    • @ammardian
      @ammardian 2 года назад

      I did this too because I haven't really done polar coordinates. I added extra steps and treated both points as vectors from the origin, where I took the dot product cos(theta)= (a dot b )/ mag(a)*mag(b), and took the inverse of that to find theta.

  • @sebmata135
    @sebmata135 2 года назад +2

    Using multivariable techniques, you can parametrize the parabola as r(x)= and so the vector that points to the point (x0,x0^2) that will end up pointing to (5,0) must necessarily have the same length as the vector namely 5. So ||=5 => sqrt(x0^2+x0^4)=5 => x0^4+x0^2-25=0. When you solve for this quartic by keeping in mind that x0 is positive, you get x0=sqrt((-1+sqrt(101))/2). You can then use the formula a*b/(|a||b|)=cos(theta) to solve for the angle

  • @pablosarrosanchez460
    @pablosarrosanchez460 2 года назад +2

    This is how I did it:
    In the second graph, notice the point (0,0) (vertex) and (5,0) are 5 units apart. I just had to find in the first graph which point was 5 units apart in straight line from the vertex of the parabola (0,0).
    By Pythagoras: x^2+y^2=5^2=25, and substituting x^2=y (the function), I got to y+y^2=25 : y^2+y-25=0, whose positive solution is [-1+sqrt(101)]/2
    We know from the function that y=x^2=[-1+sqrt(101)]/2, so x=sqrt([-1+sqrt(101)]/2). Now the line that goes from the origin to the point (sqrt([-1+sqrt(101)]/2), [-1+sqrt(101)]/2) is just y=([-1+sqrt(101)]/2)*x
    We can define the slope of a line (its derivative) as the tangent of the angle it forms with respect to the origin, such that: tan(α)=sqrt([-1+sqrt(101)]/2)
    Applying inverse tan on both sides, we get that α=arctan(sqrt([-1+sqrt(101)]/2))

  • @boltez6507
    @boltez6507 Год назад +1

    To do this we can first find how to rotate a point(using a right angled triangle) then its darn simple , plug in the result in the equation to rotate the parabola by any arbitrary angle(however take care of anticlockwise and clockwise rotation),then we can put in (5,0) in our equation then find the angle satisfying our equation

  • @drpeyam
    @drpeyam 3 года назад +64

    Heeey it is a rotation matrix then! 😂

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 3 года назад +5

      Indeed

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  3 года назад +22

      I didn’t use any matrices.

    • @aneeshsrinivas892
      @aneeshsrinivas892 2 года назад

      I thought of that too.didnt realize the question wanted clockwise rotation and got a negative answer

    • @potatochips9019
      @potatochips9019 2 года назад

      I agree based on just looking, but I didn't know Sir Blackpenredpen here did a way simpler method.

    • @Anonymous-el6pv
      @Anonymous-el6pv 2 года назад

      @@potatochips9019 Matrix is definitely more a simple way

  • @andypan4936
    @andypan4936 9 месяцев назад

    I left-multiplied the vector (x,x^2) by the 2D rotation matrix, set the resultant vector equal to (5,0) and solved for x and theta (need to take the absolute value of the angle in this case since we are rotating clockwise). I got theta = arcsin((sqrt(101)-1)/10) by using the 2D rotation matrix.

  • @svee6904
    @svee6904 2 года назад +1

    Another great method is by axis rotation. For an observer on the parabola, if I were to rotate the parabola clockwise by theta then it would appear that we're rotating the axis anticlockwise by theta. As we know, in case of axis rotation, the new y coordinate
    x(n) = x(old) cos t + y(old) sin t and y(n) = -x(old) sin t + y(old) cos t
    Plugging in x(old) and y(old) as 5, 0 we get:
    x(n) = 5 cos t, y(n) = - 5 sin t
    now, all this has to obey is the parabolic equation if it is to touch the parabola (ie: y = x^2)
    25 cos^2 t = 5 sin t
    solving for t we get 1.131 radians!

  • @auser9791
    @auser9791 3 года назад +28

    I haven't done the math yet, but my idea is to calculate the intersection of the parabola and the function representing the half circle above the x-axis to figure out the point to be rotated, and then use the cosine law.

    • @lukandrate9866
      @lukandrate9866 3 года назад +1

      I did so but I don't know what is cosine law so I just calculated f'(x1) where f(x) is x^2 and x1 is the point of intersection and tan(θ) = f'(x1) because of the geometrical interpretation of the derivative

    • @swartzsteinswartzstein8809
      @swartzsteinswartzstein8809 2 года назад

      I'll try this out

    • @Jothiprabaharan
      @Jothiprabaharan 2 года назад

      @@lukandrate9866 can u explain eloperately

  • @cubiee-sci6190
    @cubiee-sci6190 2 года назад +1

    Stopped the video to try it by myself. Did it almost the same way just a little different way to solve X^4 + x^2 -25 = 0. I liked this Math problem

  • @samp-w7439
    @samp-w7439 3 года назад +1

    I never pause to do the problem, but today I did, and I got it right!!

  • @harshkashyap8583
    @harshkashyap8583 2 года назад

    I SOLVED IT!!
    Simply I take a parametric point on the parabola (t/2 , t^2/4) So , tan@=t/2.
    Using distance formula, equate distance of parametric point from the origin equal to 5. This will give us value of t.
    using t tan@ can be calculated.

  • @noahali-origamiandmore2050
    @noahali-origamiandmore2050 2 года назад +1

    I know that to do a clockwise rotation, you replace x with xsinθ + ycosθ and replace y with xcosθ - ysinθ. Then I plugged in 5 for x, 0 for y, and solved. My answer was θ=arcsin[(-1+sqrt(101))/10] which is also about 64.8°.

  • @rageprod
    @rageprod 2 года назад +3

    omg this is the first bprp question I could actually solve
    only difference from your solution is that I answered as the sin^-1 (because I dont like sqrt very much) but of course the decimal value is the same

  • @krishgarg2806
    @krishgarg2806 9 месяцев назад

    i used a bit lengthy and calculative method. I assumed a parabola tilted at an angle theta and used its property PS=PM to define the locus and then use the point (5,0) to get a trignometric equation.

  • @matthiasb.p.8834
    @matthiasb.p.8834 4 месяца назад

    I did it another way, without polar coords:
    You can draw a right triangle where the hypotenuse is 5,so you knoe that y² +x²=5². Furthermore, y =x² so y+y²-25=0 so sin(beta) = y/5 so beta = arcsin (sqrt(1.01)-0.1)

  • @RifatRahmanRimon
    @RifatRahmanRimon 3 года назад +2

    Okay this is probably overkill. But I used rotation transformation.
    Since it's a clockwise rotation, so the matrix will be:
    cos(-t) -sin(-t)
    sin(-t) cos(-t)
    cost sint
    A=
    -sint cost
    The vector v=(x,x^2)
    Now, Av=(5,0)
    xcost+x^2sint=5.....(1)
    -xsint+x^2cost=0
    x^2cost=xsint
    x=tant
    tantcost+tan^2tsint=5
    sint+sint*tan^2t=5
    sint=5cos^2t
    sint=5-5sin^2t
    5sin^2t+sint-5=0

  • @aayush1091
    @aayush1091 Год назад

    If you know how to write equation for any graph rotated about origin by an angle θ anticlockwise, we just substitute:
    X = xcosθ + ysinθ
    Y = -xsinθ + ycosθ
    Since we are rotating clockwise, we take (2π - θ) as the angle. So
    X = xcosθ - ysinθ
    Y = xsinθ + ycosθ
    Now equation of curve:
    Y = X²
    And we need to find angle when it intersects (5,0), so we put in (5,0) in the substitution and equation satisfies:
    X = 5cosθ Y = 5sinθ
    =⟩ 5sinθ = (5cosθ)²
    =⟩ sinθ = 5cos²θ
    =⟩ tanθ secθ = 5
    =⟩ tanθ(√(1 + tan²θ)) = 5
    =⟩ tan²θ(1+tan²θ) = 25
    =⟩ tan²θ = (√(101)-1)/2
    =⟩ tanθ = √[(√101 - 1)/2]

  • @mnek742
    @mnek742 3 года назад +15

    At 2:45 I totally disagree, you totally could've used r = sec(theta)tan(theta) to solve the problem by setting r =5, solving for theta and a little minor adjustment... nice idea though!

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 3 года назад

      Yeah, I solved this way too

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  3 года назад +12

      I totally messed up there.

    • @mnek742
      @mnek742 3 года назад +2

      @@blackpenredpen lol no worries! I appreciate your humility

  • @amyk5428
    @amyk5428 2 года назад +1

    Imo the question becomes pretty easy once you understand and visualize the turning of the graph..
    Instead of rotating the y=x² graph...its better to rotate the axis instead...since both are relative to each other the angle of rotation would remain the same..
    so basically we'll get a triangle with hypotenuse as 5, one side say x² and the third side being x..

  • @sheppsu7353
    @sheppsu7353 2 года назад

    The way I solved it was representing only the right side of y=x^2 with x=sqrt(y). I then found a line that starts at (0, 0) and intersects a point on x=sqrt(y) so that it has a length of 5. I found the x and y points by starting with x^2 + y^2 = 25 and sqrt(y) = x. I then derived y + y^2 = 25 which can be represented as y^2 + y - 25 = 0. I used the quadratic formula to get y = (sqrt(101)-1)/2. From there I found x by plugging it into x = sqrt(25-y^2). Then the answer is y/x and the angle is arctan(y/x).

  • @DavidDragonstar123
    @DavidDragonstar123 2 года назад

    r=sec(theta)tan(theta) does help solve the problem. If we have the unknown angle of rotation be phi, then the equation becomes r = sec(theta + phi)tan(theta + phi) for clockwise rotations. Now just solve for phi where r=5 when theta=0. Reduces to 5 = sec(phi)tan(phi).

  • @wihatmi5510
    @wihatmi5510 2 года назад +1

    I thought about this in 9th grade for the first time and thought it should be trivial. Later I thought it was impossible because how a function is defined. Now I'm looking forward to learn how to solve it.

  • @ggaming5446
    @ggaming5446 2 года назад +1

    I think mine is simpler,
    We have to equation
    1) y=x^2
    2) x^2+y^2=5^2
    Subtitute 1 into 2 we get
    y^2+y-25=0
    Solve it we get
    y=4.52494
    y=-5.52494
    Take the positive y and by using cosin We get
    Sin-1(4.52494÷5)= 64.8 degree

  • @Roman-cu7zh
    @Roman-cu7zh 3 года назад +1

    This was a great problem! First I tried to find the arc length of the parabola until I realize that since it was a curved line the arc length would be greater than 5 at x=5. But then I used the circle method as well.

  • @Pianissimo311
    @Pianissimo311 2 года назад

    3:02 i think it can help...
    We put r=5 and get theta from it. Then that would be the answer for the question as theta is angle of (5,0);origin and x axis.
    So in rotated graph, theta is zero and in first graph theta is what we found. So the difference, which is the same, is the answer

  • @justacityboy4426
    @justacityboy4426 2 года назад

    I understood about 3/4 of what was explained, but I still enjoyed watching this video

  • @Juanni
    @Juanni 2 года назад +1

    wow a bprp video I was actually able to solve using the same method as the one shown in the video!

  • @Jerryfan271
    @Jerryfan271 2 года назад

    Looked at the question and saw that (5,0) is a point which is 5 distant to the vertex, of which there are only two, so to find that, plugging in y^2 + x^2 = 25 gives you x^2 = (sqrt(101)-1)/2 noting that x > 0.
    from there tan(theta) is x^2/x = x
    the diagram helped a lot, but in the contest itself, sketching would definitely be the first step.

  • @neilgerace355
    @neilgerace355 2 года назад +1

    4:04 Thanks for pointing that out :)

  • @aaronroach2604
    @aaronroach2604 2 года назад

    At a glance. I would find the point on the graph y = x^2 that is of distance 5 from the origin. Then you will get a point (a,b) and have a sort of circle of radius 5. Then you have a triangle with base a and height b, and you can use inverse tangent to get the angle

  • @lolidk5378
    @lolidk5378 2 года назад

    I used complex numbers; take the original graph as x + i*x^2, then the new graph as e^-i(theta)(x+i*x^2) (this is saying the rotation of the graph by theta in the clockwise direction). Then pretty much the same thing follows

  • @spyguy318
    @spyguy318 2 года назад +1

    I solved it by setting up the triangle you showed later instead of the circle, then using pythagoras to get the same equation as the circle formula, 25 = x^2 + x^4 and then solved from there

    • @Inovator1911
      @Inovator1911 2 года назад

      i solved by this way too, high 5!)

  • @kenhaley4
    @kenhaley4 3 года назад +1

    Yep. That's how I did it! I thought it's easier to rotate that point up to the parabola rather than the other way around. Same angle either way.

    • @javiernasser3574
      @javiernasser3574 3 года назад

      Exactly, its more simple to just rotate the axes and then just get x²+x⁴=25 where tan (ø)= x

  • @idolgin776
    @idolgin776 Год назад

    I really like problems like this, where there is a visual trick/strategy to come up with the correct answer.

  • @0cx688
    @0cx688 3 года назад +8

    I am a Japanese university student.
    At first, I thought that theta = 45° just by looking at it, but when I saw the video, I was impressed. Thank you for your easy to understand English!

    • @BillyBob-wh4sq
      @BillyBob-wh4sq 3 года назад

      Now I'm curious. What would the x- and y-intercepts be if we rotated the parabola by exactly 45 degrees?

    • @hejkanaklejka1021
      @hejkanaklejka1021 3 года назад +1

      @@BillyBob-wh4sq
      x = r cos(theta)
      y = r cos(theta)
      put that in y = x^2
      r sin(theta) = r^2 cos^2(theta)
      sin(theta) = r (1-sin^2(theta))
      r sin^2(theta) - r + sin(theta) = 0
      set theta = 45°
      r/2 - r + 1/sqrt(2) = 0
      r/2 = 1/sqrt(2)
      r = sqrt(2) so after rotating y = x^2 by 45° we will get (sqrt(2), 0) point.

    • @hejkanaklejka1021
      @hejkanaklejka1021 3 года назад +2

      Another way is to calculate intersection point of y = x^2 and y = x, so we have (0,0) and (1,1) (lets ignore the first one).
      If we rotate y = x by 45°, then every point (a, b) will become (sqrt(a^2+b^2), 0), so by puting a=1 and b=1 we are getting the answer.

    • @BillyBob-wh4sq
      @BillyBob-wh4sq 3 года назад

      @@hejkanaklejka1021 this makes sense, thank you very much!

  • @strikechord
    @strikechord 2 года назад

    Definitely very cool to come look at problems after I understand the math behind the concepts so I can really know what is going on. This is literally just algebra with some trig

  • @Garlic5auce
    @Garlic5auce 2 года назад

    One other method we can use is one that is frequently used in our physics class. We can rotate the entire plane so that the parabola is where we want it to be. then all we need to do is find the angle between the primary and secondary field. we can use the polar form to do so.

  • @m.venkadesen9037
    @m.venkadesen9037 2 года назад +1

    What a beautiful question

  • @noahbatterson8591
    @noahbatterson8591 2 года назад

    I used 5 as a triangular hypotenuse, then found a data point that gave 5 on the function y=x^2. Roughly 2.125 and 4.5156. Found the angle between them. Then 90-phi gave our theta as 64.8

  • @badman5363
    @badman5363 3 месяца назад

    I was able to solve this on my own, but in a different way.
    First I created a system of equations:
    x^2 + y^2 = 25
    x^2 = y
    Then rewrote the first equation
    y=(25-x^2)^1/2
    Plugged that into the second equation and rewrote it
    x^4+x^2-25=0
    Let x^2 =u and do the quadratic formula and you get
    u=-1/2+sqrt(25.25)
    x= (-1/2+sqrt(25.25))^1/2
    Plugged the solution back into the first equation and you get:
    y=(25+1/2-sqrt(25.25))^1/2
    Now solve for the angle
    5cos(x)= (-1/2+sqrt(25.25))^1/2
    x = cos^-1(((-1/2+sqrt(25.25))^1/2)/5)
    5sin(x)=(25+1/2-sqrt(25.25))^1/2
    x = sin^-1(((25+1/2-sqrt(25.25))^1/2)/5)
    And I got x = approximately 1.131 radians.

  • @sandglass9928
    @sandglass9928 3 года назад +2

    made a line that intersects the parabola at the origin and at a point (x, y) in such a way that the distance from that point to the origin is 5, that is, x² + y² = 25, and using y = x², I calculated the coordinates (x, y) of the point and then I calculated the slope of the line, to then apply the concept that the slope of the line is the tangent of the angle with respect to the X axis, and voila.

    • @anshumanagrawal346
      @anshumanagrawal346 3 года назад +1

      Wow, I figured out the same way after he said to pause and try

  • @bigfloppalover1321
    @bigfloppalover1321 2 года назад +1

    I have no idea what he said but I love it!

  • @mcNakno
    @mcNakno 2 года назад

    Your english is really, really good for being (I assume) from China. And your enthusiasm is contagious.

  • @saimohnishmuralidharan5440
    @saimohnishmuralidharan5440 2 года назад +1

    JEE method that I used.
    Rotation of Axes ( Clock ) formula.
    For y=x²,
    Formula:
    X= xcos - ysin
    Y = - ( xsin + ycos )
    now new rotated Parabola equation,
    Y = X²,
    But (5,0) is Old system i.e (x,y) system,
    so x=5, y=0.
    Substituting above in Formula and substituting that in new Parabola equation, we get,
    5 sin = 25 cos²
    sin = 5-5sin²
    Solving for sin, we get,
    sin =( -1 + √101 ) / 10
    tan = ( -1 + √101)/ √2 * √( √101 - 1)
    Rationalizing,
    tan© = √ ( √101 -1) /√2 ~ [ 3/√2 ]

  • @benwang2454
    @benwang2454 2 года назад +6

    The way I went about solving this is to realize that the point being rotated to (5, 0) is a distance of 5 from the origin. Using 5 = sqrt(x^2+y^2) you can solve for x, and then solve for y.

  • @jasongrieder1941
    @jasongrieder1941 2 года назад

    You could make it even simpler. With the equation R = sec(teta)tan(teta), R is simply sqrt(x^2 + y^2), where x and y are the coordinates of a point on the rotated function. Because (5;0) will be on our function, just plug them in. You get 5=sec(teta)tan(teta).
    You also get 2 answers which is more correct, see as though there can be either « branch » of the parabola that cuts through (5;0). The second answer is ~115.2 degrees.
    Of course, you’d need an advanced calculator for this method…

  • @sylowlover
    @sylowlover 2 года назад

    I did this using matrices, and it ended up being a lot longer than your method! But one advantage is i was able to find out, if you use a parametrization (t, t^2) and plug it into a standard rotation matrix, along with your theta working, there is a second solution of the form pi-theta, and the t value where the intersect occurs will be -5cos(theta).

  • @angelo_pavan
    @angelo_pavan 2 года назад

    I did it with complex numbers, but it's basically the same thing as you did, except for the idea of intersection between the circumference and the parabola. With complex numbers I just wrote that each point of the curve is w=|w|*cis(theta) and multiplied it by cis(-theta) cause the rotation is on the antitrig direction. I ended up with the same quadratic equation and solved it just as you did.

  • @parth-the-artist
    @parth-the-artist Год назад

    Omg wow I got it right
    My approach was to find a point cordinate which was exactly 5units away from the origin in y=x2 graphy then find tantheta= y/x to find the angle
    x2+y2= 25
    y2+y-25=0
    Quadratic formula
    y= -1+sqrt(101)/2
    x = sqrt(-1+sqrt(101)/2)
    Tan theta = y/x
    = sqrt(-1+sqrt(101)/2)

  • @quinnv.3499
    @quinnv.3499 2 года назад +1

    I ACTUALLY DID IT WITHOUT WATCHING THE SOLUTION!!! Im so happy :)))

  • @cremebrulee2484
    @cremebrulee2484 Год назад

    I could somewhat follow the reasoning for this. I’m learning!

  • @gabemorris1231
    @gabemorris1231 2 года назад

    You could've used the polar form to begin with. Just consider a phase shift and solve for the phase shift such that it goes through the polar point (5, 0). As he showed in the end, a phase shift in polar form rotates the plot rather than shifting left and right like rectangular coordinates.

  • @samp-w7439
    @samp-w7439 3 года назад

    I never pause to do the problem, but today I did, and I got it right!!

    • @samp-w7439
      @samp-w7439 3 года назад

      I worked it out by hand up until taking the inverse tangent. Turns out I used just about the same method. Yay!

  • @smolboye1878
    @smolboye1878 2 года назад +1

    I solved it by instead rotating the axes and using the distance (5) from the origin to solve the equations tan(theta) = x and x^4 + x^2 = 25

  • @jocabulous
    @jocabulous 2 года назад

    this is the first problem on this channel i was able to solve! (out of the ones i have watched)

  • @cob-son
    @cob-son 2 года назад +1

    wish they teached these cool tricks in my school

  • @Qermaq
    @Qermaq 2 года назад +1

    My initial thought - rather than rotate the parabola, rotate the x axis. Or more properly, find the line y=mx where sqrt(x^2+y^2)=5. That gets me to x^4+x^2-25=0.

  • @MisutaaPurinsu
    @MisutaaPurinsu 3 года назад

    What I did: knowing that you can rotate any function θrads if you define y:=xsin(θ)+ycos(θ); x:=xcos(θ)-ysen(θ) you can define f(x, y): y=x^2 as f𝝑(x, y, θ): xsin(θ)+ycos(θ)=(xcos(θ)-ysen(θ))^2 and fix x=5 and y=0 => 5sin(θ)=(5cos(θ))^2; Solving for θ: tan(θ)sec(θ)=5 and by approximations (dunno if you can solve that by paper and pen, I couldn't) you get 1.13135rads.

  • @johnhillier1019
    @johnhillier1019 2 года назад

    I had a similar solution except I used sin(θ) = y/5 = x^2/5 at the end rather than tan(θ). Saved an extra square root.
    Enjoyed the question.

  • @delayed_control
    @delayed_control 2 года назад +3

    This was so suspiciously easy I thought there was gonna be some catch, I was like "well you just draw a circle, where's the trap?" And there was no catch in the end.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  2 года назад

      Yea. For some reasons I thought the question was hard and tricky too. But it wasn’t 😆

  • @vladimirkhazinski3725
    @vladimirkhazinski3725 2 года назад

    Instead of rotating the parabola, rotate the x axis line. Parametric equations: (tcos(theta),tsin(theta)) and solve for theta where it intersects y=x^2 at t=5. Gives same result and less of a headache

  • @kub8675
    @kub8675 Год назад

    This is one of the first problems on your channel that I actually managed to solve

  • @chazzbunn7811
    @chazzbunn7811 3 года назад +1

    Solved it using the rotation matrix and the vector valued function r(t)= representing the parabola.
    [cos(θ) -sin(θ)][t^2] =[5]
    [sin(θ) cos(θ)][t ] [0]
    From this I got
    =
    Using the magnitude, I then derived the equation
    t^4+t^2-25=0
    Solving t for real numbers I got
    t = +-sqrt( (-1+sqrt(101))/2 )
    Then from the vector I looked at
    (t^2)cos(θ)+tsin(θ) = 0
    And got that
    tan(θ)=-t
    Hence
    θ = arctan(-t)
    θ = arctan( sqrt( (-1+sqrt(101))/2 ) )

  • @starsun7455
    @starsun7455 2 года назад

    I assumed that y=i*x^2 by setting the y-axis as the axis of an imaginary number.
    A point on the function is an imaginary number x+i*x^2, so
    I tried to find the real solution x of (x+i*x^2)(cosQ+i*sinQ) = 5+0i.
    x=2.12719 and Q=1.1313rad, same result.
    This will be the same method as the rotation matrix.
    I learned a lot from this lecture and thank you.

  • @chessematics
    @chessematics 3 года назад +2

    0:46 I'll have a link in the descsoop

  • @gcewing
    @gcewing 2 года назад

    Finding the angle is slightly simpler if you notice that the hypotenuse is 5, so theta = arcsin((sqrt(101)-1)/10).

  • @iamstickfigure
    @iamstickfigure 2 года назад

    I got it! Sweet. I didn't actually write out all the work to get the answer, I just had an idea, so I paused the video to think about how I would generally go about solving it, and convinced myself that it would work. And it turned out to be the exact same steps you took. Lol

  • @johnlocke2694
    @johnlocke2694 2 года назад

    I just solved for the intersection between the parabola and a circle of radius five with x^2=sqrt(25-x^2) and then solved for x by subbing t=x^2 and using the quadratic formula. Then I just used inverse tan on the y over x values from the previous solution to find theta.

  • @magnifico_joven7063
    @magnifico_joven7063 2 года назад

    i don't understand a thing but i love these kinds of videos.

  • @alexunder3165
    @alexunder3165 2 года назад +1

    I also thought about finding the point of intersection with circle with radius 5. Then I thought dealing with sin/cos/etc. is too much for me, so it would be easier to find a ratio between the perimeter of the entire circle and the part of the perimeter between the point of intersection with parabola and x-axis. It would result in a ratio between 360 degree and the angle in question. Then the question transforms into finding the length of the part of the perimeter (I think there is a word for it, maybe it's called sector or segment) between 2 points on the perimeter. At this point I couldn't see an easy way to calculate it, so I gave up.

  • @FareSkwareGamesFSG
    @FareSkwareGamesFSG 3 года назад

    What a great question! I paused the video, solved it, got off the toilet, and let me say: it was definitely satisfying!

  • @TimeFadesMemoryLasts
    @TimeFadesMemoryLasts 2 года назад

    OMG, this was so simple. I am definitely out of shape... When I was in school I probably would have thought about the intersection with a circle (if I had any idea) but now my first thought was using a rotation matrix... damn...

  • @fantasypvp
    @fantasypvp 10 месяцев назад

    I would probably just use a generic rotation matrix (a 2x2 matrix with cos(a) and sin(a) in) to transform the vector (x, x^2) then substitute in the coords for x and y and solve for a which should be fairly simple and just simplify to tan(a) = b

  • @1ncandescence737
    @1ncandescence737 2 года назад

    OK, I was just doing a complex analysis problem where I was asked if the graph of a complex function is a parabola and I thought it is a tilted version. And this showed up!

  • @itsphoenixingtime
    @itsphoenixingtime 3 года назад

    The general formula for getting a point (r,0) by rotation is rotating the angle arctan( sqrt [ -1 + sqrt(4r^2 + 1) / 2]) degrees. (though i didn't find it out by myself, i referred to your video, and then used a general value x^2 + y^2 = r^2

  • @simdriver6797
    @simdriver6797 3 года назад +2

    Him: "You did?"
    Me: Not even trying.
    Him: "Cool!"

  • @hk_A01
    @hk_A01 2 года назад +1

    Oh, that was nice!