This is not the first time a Vampire has done that. In 1953 (or perhaps 52) a Vampire was entered in the King's Cup which was being flown at Woolsington, now Newcastle Airport NCL / EGNT. Then, as now, the King's Cup is a handicapped race so the fastest planes take off last. The Vampire needed a good long runway (compared with the Messengers and Moths it was racing against) and so it was sent off down to the far end of the newly laid hard runway - made from compacted coal waste, presumably held together with asphalt of some sort. The Vampire sat waiting for the race marshall to wave him off, and when the time came, opened the throttle and directed the hot jet exhaust onto the nicely pre-warmed runway. Apparently he blew most of the runway 25 threshold into the next field.
Its funny that you say that. Look at this video of an Atlas 747 tearing up the grass on the sides of the runway at KMSP that was just released. This 747 video is what reminded me of this Vampire video. ruclips.net/video/0c2CFBFrnDk/видео.html
My father, Sqn Ldr John Morris was a test pilot for the Vampire when they were developing it. Not his favourite plane, which was the Hawker Hunter, despite flying Spitfires, Hurricanes, Mustangs, F86 Sabre etc.
That runway was supposed to be used for parking aircraft that day, as it was used the day before. But the previous day was nicer weather so was used for parking. But on this day the weather was not so good so few visitors. So this runway was available and into wind. So the pilot was happy with the surface so took off, just about. Can't see this runway ever being resurfaced, cost to much. Vampires blasting the surface is well known. These runway were skim tarmaced some 20 years ago, just worn out now from frost. The main runway was resurfaced quality material after Harrier jets ripped it apart.
I worked with Vampires and, at different times, their engines mounted on trolleys for snow & ice clearance. We were all very much aware of the potential for them to damage airfield surfaces, although we were more concerned over melting tarmac rather than ripping it up like this. We operated from many older airfields, both RAF and civilian, and never did any lasting damage. Judging by the images at the end of the TV broadcasts, the runway was past its sell-by date and I would have had serious concerns. No doubt the CAA will have something to say and North Weald will be looking very carefully at their surfaces.
Absolutely!. Yes I worked at EGXE in the 70's. I'm sure they had a couple of goblins attached to the front of a bowser to clear snow and ice. Not sure how successful they were. The runway at Leeming, being a Master Diversion airfield then, would have been tip top! Unlike EGBO!
Ah, the Mobile Runway Deicer (MRD), better known as the Mobile Runway Destroyer, a Derwent or 2 on a trolley. They were useful in certain circumstances, mainly impressing visitors, and great fun to play around with and watch operating (unless you were the poor 2nd line prop technician stuck on the trolley controlling the engines). We used them sparingly as they had their limitations, not least because we could easily turn 18" of snow into 1/2" of ice (much, much harder to clear, even with loads of urea and spare bods), and ATC/Ops were always on our backs over potential damage.
@@jameshardie9914 I looked on google earth it looked like it had been patched up anyway in 2017/18? Was it really closed for 6 years? I never even thought anything of that incident after 2018. I just visited the airport today for the first time since like 2016.
@@althepsyphros3314 well i have seen planes taxi down there after landing, ever since the incident in 2017 but never seen them take off from there up till march this year
I think you are being optimistic on the tar content though, but that Goblin engine does produce one really high speed very hot blast of air, and that will destroy anything it impinges on that is not designed to withstand it.
Some bits came away when he initially entered the runway to backtrack, if I'd seen that from the tower I'd told him to abort, lucky it didn't suck any of that up! Jets would be grounded in the UK for all of eternity!
Great catch Graham. It does look like alot of damage indeed. The new notam for the aifield issued today states it will remain closed till at least the 31st May. Superb video. Liked : )
I understand that the German jet (WW-II ME-262?) was originally a tailwheel airplane but they had similar problems that were cured by changing to tricycle landing gear.
It bangs home the unbelievable power of jet engines. Even the less efficient and non-afterburning ones of vintage jets produce some considerable energy.
The old engines relied on nozzle pressure rather than mass air flow to produce thrust. Think water hose with the nozzle wide open vs a huge outlet moving massive amounts of air.
I got my Licence at EGBO back in the early 90's and even back then the runways were in a pretty bad way. Patched up at best. Sticking plaster on gaping wounds. There were tales around back then of a visiting Provost ripping up some tarmac.
Runway looked a bit rough before the take off, it should not have had the ripples in it, you can see the gear movement as it taxies showing that the runway surface is not even. Most likely needed maintenance work before, now they have to work on it, have seen many airports put off runway maintenance/resurfacing.
Yes, on arrival the aircraft stopped immediately after leaving the runway on the taxi-way and stayed there for some time whilst the pilot had a tinker round with it. It was well away from the crowd.
Why on earth didn't the FISO tell the pilot to stop after he'd caused debris while backtracking?! Debris on the runway? Could have easily ingested it on the takeoff roll. Terrible safety management/FISO-ing!
For sure. At the very least it is an "incident". As the runway was rendered unserviceable by an aircraft, it may even be deemed to be an "aircraft accident". Was the aircraft damaged? It will all come out in the wash.
EGBO is an uncontrolled airport, therefore there's no tower nor any other ATC. But yeah, I'd have put some sort of standby vehicle off the side in case something happens. Or at least have intercom with the pilot.
It is a licenced airfield, with a licence to operate passenger services and training aircraft. It has radio 123.00 and operates air/ground and FISO. It also has an NDB and a fire section. So it is very much "controlled" and has to adhere to certain licencing standards.
Worked for with The Lightship Group doing airships when they were based at halfpenny green in the 90's. Luckily the pair of feeble Volkswagen Limbach engines didn't produce enough thrust to do that.
Brilliant capture! May I kindly ask for your permission to include this clip in my next episode? I’ll be sure to provide full credit in both the video and the description. Thank you.
Great video, but just wanted to let you know that I found it linked from an outside website through Facebook which was heavily laden with ads. Not sure if you are aware, but you might consider making your videos non-linkable through outside websites. Cheers!
Just curious why he didn't used any T/O flaps setting ? RWY looks quite short so any flaps should lower the ground run IMO. Any Vampire driver out there ?
And there was talk of landing passenger jets like the 737 there at one time. I think the only "safe" jets designed to use that would be some of the Russian ones.
Sure wasn't in a hurry to unstick, not much of that 1065m runway left. It looked like him that came right over me about 6.30 this evening heading East, heard him miles off.
That cannot be a very well constructed runway. I have seen numerous Vampire take-offs on many South African runways - and never saw anything like this....
К сожалению, покрытие этой взлетно-посадочной полосы было не таким, как должно было быть для такого самолета. Изначально аэродром был построен для ВВС Великобритании во время Второй мировой войны для размещения винтовых самолетов. Приветствую всех в России от ваших друзей из Великобритании.
Hey! would it be ok to you if I take this and include it to one of my video compilations to be uploaded here on RUclips? If it's ok, I'll give you full credits and will include your channel name on the video. Thank you so much!!
@@seemly please ask me again when you know what the contents of your compilation will be. I appreciate you asking but I will only consider it properly when I know the contents of the compilation.
They should have told him to abort the takeoff immediately at the first sign of rippage. This was unnecessary and what could have been a minor problem was seriously exacerbated by idiots.
John Shackleton Correct me if I am wrong but he probably was on V1 and couldn’t abort landing as V1 was nearing takeoff speed. If he were to abort takeoff the would’ve overruned the runway. Or they just didn’t care because it did no physical damage to the Vampire.
@@wuppyy I hear you Brother, but no, already at the point where he turned the aircraft around at the threshold he was already kicking up asphalt. By then he was doing 5 knots. He could have stopped the aircraft within 10 feet. He was at V1 miles further down the runway, and by then he had caused millions of Dollars worth of damage to the runway along the full length of the runway. Take care Brother.
@@johnshackleton323 .....that's not millions in damage lol couple grand for sure. But come on.... That runway needs to be replaced to begin with if a simple jet taking off pulled it up.
I'm sure the Highways Agency will soon put that right. Oh hang on. Best get someone Professional to sort it :-) On a serious note. Landed there a few times and the surface is a bit dodgy :-(
Extremely fortunate that the tailplane and elevator weren't damaged.
This is not the first time a Vampire has done that. In 1953 (or perhaps 52) a Vampire was entered in the King's Cup which was being flown at Woolsington, now Newcastle Airport NCL / EGNT. Then, as now, the King's Cup is a handicapped race so the fastest planes take off last. The Vampire needed a good long runway (compared with the Messengers and Moths it was racing against) and so it was sent off down to the far end of the newly laid hard runway - made from compacted coal waste, presumably held together with asphalt of some sort.
The Vampire sat waiting for the race marshall to wave him off, and when the time came, opened the throttle and directed the hot jet exhaust onto the nicely pre-warmed runway. Apparently he blew most of the runway 25 threshold into the next field.
Looks like Hammond wasn't joking when he said the 747s engine could rip up a runway after 20 seconds
Its funny that you say that. Look at this video of an Atlas 747 tearing up the grass on the sides of the runway at KMSP that was just released. This 747 video is what reminded me of this Vampire video.
ruclips.net/video/0c2CFBFrnDk/видео.html
Obviously the Romans didn't build that runway
Heading out after your last day at work.
My father, Sqn Ldr John Morris was a test pilot for the Vampire when they were developing it. Not his favourite plane, which was the Hawker Hunter, despite flying Spitfires, Hurricanes, Mustangs, F86 Sabre etc.
That Vampire sure sits low in the rear. That plus a runway in need of repair was the perfect combination.
No doubt the powers that be will be reviewing operating procedures for similar types in the future. Particularly at this sort of airfield.
That runway was supposed to be used for parking aircraft that day, as it was used the day before. But the previous day was nicer weather so was used for parking. But on this day the weather was not so good so few visitors. So this runway was available and into wind. So the pilot was happy with the surface so took off, just about. Can't see this runway ever being resurfaced, cost to much. Vampires blasting the surface is well known.
These runway were skim tarmaced some 20 years ago, just worn out now from frost.
The main runway was resurfaced quality material after Harrier jets ripped it apart.
Reminds me - I've got to scrape some old wallpaper of the wall of my spare room ready for re-decorating.
I worked with Vampires and, at different times, their engines mounted on trolleys for snow & ice clearance. We were all very much aware of the potential for them to damage airfield surfaces, although we were more concerned over melting tarmac rather than ripping it up like this. We operated from many older airfields, both RAF and civilian, and never did any lasting damage. Judging by the images at the end of the TV broadcasts, the runway was past its sell-by date and I would have had serious concerns. No doubt the CAA will have something to say and North Weald will be looking very carefully at their surfaces.
Absolutely!. Yes I worked at EGXE in the 70's. I'm sure they had a couple of goblins attached to the front of a bowser to clear snow and ice. Not sure how successful they were. The runway at Leeming, being a Master Diversion airfield then, would have been tip top! Unlike EGBO!
Ah, the Mobile Runway Deicer (MRD), better known as the Mobile Runway Destroyer, a Derwent or 2 on a trolley. They were useful in certain circumstances, mainly impressing visitors, and great fun to play around with and watch operating (unless you were the poor 2nd line prop technician stuck on the trolley controlling the engines). We used them sparingly as they had their limitations, not least because we could easily turn 18" of snow into 1/2" of ice (much, much harder to clear, even with loads of urea and spare bods), and ATC/Ops were always on our backs over potential damage.
Ah - they were derwents! Wasn't sure. ATC - that'll 'ave been me! Or somebody much higher up.
One of the best videos I have seen in a while! Great capture.
Filmed with my Sony HX400V, (carl zeiss lens). A stills camera really. But takes a "not bad movie" in emergencies!
Glad you enjoyed it!
As of 01/03/2023, the runway 28/10 is now back in service
Jesus, I had no idea it took them that long!
@@althepsyphros3314 I know, I thought it would never reopen!
@@jameshardie9914 I looked on google earth it looked like it had been patched up anyway in 2017/18?
Was it really closed for 6 years?
I never even thought anything of that incident after 2018.
I just visited the airport today for the first time since like 2016.
@@althepsyphros3314 well i have seen planes taxi down there after landing, ever since the incident in 2017 but never seen them take off from there up till march this year
Looks like that runway is 50% tarmac, and 50% used engine oil mixed with sad pretending to be tarmac
I think you are being optimistic on the tar content though, but that Goblin engine does produce one really high speed very hot blast of air, and that will destroy anything it impinges on that is not designed to withstand it.
More like paper and some black paint.
Some bits came away when he initially entered the runway to backtrack, if I'd seen that from the tower I'd told him to abort, lucky it didn't suck any of that up! Jets would be grounded in the UK for all of eternity!
Yes that surface was not up to it!
Pretty lucky that the tailplane stayed intact
How much did they spend on that runway? A halfpenny?
Hahahaaaa very good 😂
😂😂😂
Yes, I suspected it may be out of action for quite some time!
There are some fine examples of this jet in The Irish Air Corps Museum in Baldonnell in Dublin. Liked them flying about when I was a kid.
Great catch Graham. It does look like alot of damage indeed. The new notam for the aifield issued today states it will remain closed till at least the 31st May. Superb video. Liked : )
Before this happened there was a NOTAM saying that two of the runways were in a poor state and had a surface which was breaking up.
I landed there today, that runway is still unserviceable
It was probably built during WW2 and never renovated after that..
Runway 10/28 after being resurfaced and line painting finished reopened today 1st March 2023!
At last. I wonder if they would accept a vampire on it??
Thats what happens when you have your drive tarmac'd by a couple of blokes with a pickup truck.
With a non-local accent!
Two crates of Heineken just does not bring the value for money like it used to do.
Looks like a very thin single top layer that wasn't tied in to the substrate very well.
Just like the Roads of Shropshire
😂😂😂
I understand that the German jet (WW-II ME-262?) was originally a tailwheel airplane but they had similar problems that were cured by changing to tricycle landing gear.
"Excuse me, sir. Do you know why I pulled you over?"
It bangs home the unbelievable power of jet engines. Even the less efficient and non-afterburning ones of vintage jets produce some considerable energy.
The runway was shit most probably
@@nonnodacciaio704 Not shit, just not built for jet aircraft.
The old engines relied on nozzle pressure rather than mass air flow to produce thrust. Think water hose with the nozzle wide open vs a huge outlet moving massive amounts of air.
@@nonnodacciaio704 probaply not shit that would smell bad
This is why runways are built with concrete
Seems pretty dangerous for those tail rudders, especially at the end.
I've seen back country road filled with pot holes smoother than this runway..
Seemed about time to replace the tarmac anyway.
Wow, who laid the Tarmac ? 😄🤣
That's what happens when you cheap out on your resurfacing and don't use a company that has experience of or specializes in runways.
Well.......I hope he had somewhere else to land!
He landed back at the same airfield. They had 3 runways.
I'm surprised anyone would clear that runway for use... Just takes one of those pieces of tarmac to get sucked into the engine to fuck someone over.
Or to hit and disable tail surfaces, could have had a bad ending.
Hey Tom Cruise this is a real "Top Gun"!!!....
A bit like burning your bridges there
I got my Licence at EGBO back in the early 90's and even back then the runways were in a pretty bad way. Patched up at best. Sticking plaster on gaping wounds. There were tales around back then of a visiting Provost ripping up some tarmac.
The maintenance chief used to work for main roads where that level of deterioration is considered safe .
@@stevejones9062 that would not surprise me!
Runway looked a bit rough before the take off, it should not have had the ripples in it, you can see the gear movement as it taxies showing that the runway surface is not even.
Most likely needed maintenance work before, now they have to work on it, have seen many airports put off runway maintenance/resurfacing.
Thats how it looks!
Something like that happened with a Harrier if I remember correctly... it was a long time ago!
Runway is still closed after I went there today from Shobdon
Should use that on motorways , would halve the resurfacing times
That was the Dr Havilland Vindaloo.
Flex seal liquid
Lucky none of it hit the tail, anyone hear the tower call the pilot?
Do we know "none of it hit the rear"??
Graham Innes yep. my mate was helping run the event and the aircraft is fine. 2 new runways though😱
Yes, on arrival the aircraft stopped immediately after leaving the runway on the taxi-way and stayed there for some time whilst the pilot had a tinker round with it. It was well away from the crowd.
Hey!
I once got my driveway tarmacked by some Gypos that was as thin a that! Kinda did the same thing when my bicycle went across it.
You must have been pedaling pretty hard.
then its an old runway if its that easy ripped up
Why on earth didn't the FISO tell the pilot to stop after he'd caused debris while backtracking?! Debris on the runway? Could have easily ingested it on the takeoff roll. Terrible safety management/FISO-ing!
For sure. At the very least it is an "incident". As the runway was rendered unserviceable by an aircraft, it may even be deemed to be an "aircraft accident". Was the aircraft damaged? It will all come out in the wash.
EGBO is an uncontrolled airport, therefore there's no tower nor any other ATC. But yeah, I'd have put some sort of standby vehicle off the side in case something happens. Or at least have intercom with the pilot.
It is a licenced airfield, with a licence to operate passenger services and training aircraft. It has radio 123.00 and operates air/ground and FISO. It also has an NDB and a fire section. So it is very much "controlled" and has to adhere to certain licencing standards.
Ahh! Thanks for the info! I've only taken a quick look on Sky Vector and It's shown as uncontrolled. It must be a bit different in the UK then.
There is a tower. But it's not full ATC.
What did they pave that with? Cardboard?
Asphalt, low quality, maybe
Looks like an industrial machine for digging up old asphalt !
Rate of climb is perilously close to zero there!
More 'threepenny bit' than halfpenny. Must've had the travellers in to do their tarmac.... and a few ridge tiles.
Yeah, that's gonna need an FOD Walk...
Worked for with The Lightship Group doing airships when they were based at halfpenny green in the 90's. Luckily the pair of feeble Volkswagen Limbach engines didn't produce enough thrust to do that.
That runway had a nice glaze of asphalt
Jesus, that looks like fun!
Brilliant capture! May I kindly ask for your permission to include this clip in my next episode? I’ll be sure to provide full credit in both the video and the description. Thank you.
PLease send me an email to gijock@btinternet.com with the request stating exactly how it will be used.
Great video, but just wanted to let you know that I found it linked from an outside website through Facebook which was heavily laden with ads. Not sure if you are aware, but you might consider making your videos non-linkable through outside websites. Cheers!
Meh that's how I found this video. He would haven't reached me without it.
must have been layed by travellers
That runway was probably laid by the local travellers.
He was very lucky!
Now i respect this plane! This runway can us feel the power of jet! 1300kg of thrust!
It will be interesting to see takeoff F-15 from this runway)))))
Yes, the vampire thrust is angled slightly down towards the Tarmac, F15 thrust is horizontal so probably would not have the same effect?
@@GrahamInnes1 Of course this effect is exists. But if engine parallel to ground it also have enough power.
ruclips.net/video/veMmuTPiHKI/видео.html
@@GrahamInnes1 Early ME 262s were tail draggers and this was the reason that they went to tricycle landing gear.
wouldnt want to be on FODPLOD duty after that!
Oh dear! He should have been stopped when backtracking! At least grass 10-28 is operational!
Yup!
British quality at its finest :'P
Yes, the plane, not the runway!
Another powerful English jet. from the past.
Shitty old runway couldn't take it.
from memory pilot has mirrors, very lucky flying controls not damaged.
A real jetblast.
Just curious why he didn't used any T/O flaps setting ? RWY looks quite short so any flaps should lower the ground run IMO. Any Vampire driver out there ?
It was very windy? Who knows! I'm sure we will find out.
And there was talk of landing passenger jets like the 737 there at one time. I think the only "safe" jets designed to use that would be some of the Russian ones.
runaway for propeller planes not for turbine ones.
No maintenance at all. Airfield should have been closes long time before.
Hi Graham. Great video. Can we share it on FLYER magazine's Facebook page?
Of course, credit me please.
Regards
Graham
Thanks Graham, we will.
looks like there has been no maintence done in a long time on that runway
Старый реактивный истребитель случайно серьезно повредил при
взлете полосу местного аэропорта в Великобритании.
Sure wasn't in a hurry to unstick, not much of that 1065m runway left. It looked like him that came right over me about 6.30 this evening heading East, heard him miles off.
looked like the runway was close to being too short for the liftoff?
Pilot needs to check his mirrors more often :)
I thought this dude was just being troupy and sensationalistic, look like it was literal
"troupy and sensationalistic" nope! - "dude"? definitely!!
That cannot be a very well constructed runway. I have seen numerous Vampire take-offs on many South African runways - and never saw anything like this....
Apparently, according to news reports, it was due to be resurfaced this month. That's no excuse!
This is why proper runways are made of concrete.
Gdzież to gdzie ,mają tak wspaniałe pasy startowe?
I wonder if the tarmac could have possibly hit the tail surface ? Imo they should have radioed the pilot to abort take off ?
Ну во-о-о-от...
Оказывается не только НАШИ дорожники умеют 3-сантиметровый асфальт класть так, что он от ветра разлетается... )))
К сожалению, покрытие этой взлетно-посадочной полосы было не таким, как должно было быть для такого самолета. Изначально аэродром был построен для ВВС Великобритании во время Второй мировой войны для размещения винтовых самолетов.
Приветствую всех в России от ваших друзей из Великобритании.
I laugh every time I see this video. Hope nobody was planning on landing right after that.
Runway 10 is still out of action and will probably remain so! I think small aircraft are allowed to taxi on it.
I'd think the Bush plane folks would love that runway!
Hey! would it be ok to you if I take this and include it to one of my video compilations to be uploaded here on RUclips? If it's ok, I'll give you full credits and will include your channel name on the video. Thank you so much!!
What else would be in the compilation?
@@GrahamInnes1 I'm still searching for more videos but it's mostly interesting videos like this one.
@@seemly please ask me again when you know what the contents of your compilation will be.
I appreciate you asking but I will only consider it properly when I know the contents of the compilation.
Just use it mate there’s loads of copy’s of this video on RUclips
Hiya Graham - I work for the Birmingham Mail - could we please use this footage on our website? We can credit you. Thank you very much
Charlotte Paxton - please use and credit me.
Yes please do and credit me.
Graham
Absolutely Graham. Do you have an email address I can send a couple of quick questions to, please?
Thank you
email me on gijock@btinternet.com
I've emailed you Graham - thank you very much.
Good thing didnt have to land! Looks like barely got airborne!
I think he was purposely holding back due to the absolute devastation he was wreaking on the runway.
Hope the pilot got the repair bill!
@@lancerxx68 I think the airfield operator should have a proper surface to allow the operation of such aircraft. All sorted now.
@@GrahamInnes1 I was talking more about after the incident occurred.
That's what I call a million dollars flight 😁😁
KKKKK CADA DECOLAGEM DE UM AVIÃO Havilland Vampire WZ507 ERA UMA PISTA NOVA KKKKK.
Lucky he had enough fuel to get to the next runway Hopefully
5/5 would take off without flaps again
What was that runway made of? Cheese? Nice video however, at least the jet itself is a great example of British engineering ;)
corn flakes??
I'd probably believe that, I thought it was dirt blowing off at first, can't believe how it just crumbled like that.
They should have told him to abort the takeoff immediately at the first sign of rippage. This was unnecessary and what could have been a minor problem was seriously exacerbated by idiots.
John Shackleton Correct me if I am wrong but he probably was on V1 and couldn’t abort landing as V1 was nearing takeoff speed. If he were to abort takeoff the would’ve overruned the runway. Or they just didn’t care because it did no physical damage to the Vampire.
@@wuppyy I hear you Brother, but no, already at the point where he turned the aircraft around at the threshold he was already kicking up asphalt. By then he was doing 5 knots. He could have stopped the aircraft within 10 feet. He was at V1 miles further down the runway, and by then he had caused millions of Dollars worth of damage to the runway along the full length of the runway. Take care Brother.
@@wuppyy He was already tearing it up during his taxi at 0:25, well before his actual run.
@@johnshackleton323 .....that's not millions in damage lol couple grand for sure. But come on.... That runway needs to be replaced to begin with if a simple jet taking off pulled it up.
The runway is still out of use !
I'm sure the Highways Agency will soon put that right.
Oh hang on. Best get someone Professional to sort it :-)
On a serious note. Landed there a few times and the surface is a bit dodgy :-(
When was this?
Haha. The runway was destroyed.
pass me the telephone number of that traveller he said the job had a life time gaurantee
Look in the small print, it said guaranteed for the lifetime of a Mayfly.
Hi graham would it be possible to share this please
Who will you share with?
On our facebook page Pleasure Flying Club we where at HalfPenny Green at the weekend but missed all the action!
Leanne Knighton. Yes, no problem. with accredit please.
Graham Innes
Yes, no problem - with a credit please.