Thank you for getting this right. A lot of younger people don't realize it was a protest. I've also noticed a lot of younger people don't seem to care when us old folks try to educate them on this.
In my 71 (about to be 72) years, the majority of them spent in the Los Angeles area, I've been to exactly one Pride festival. It was a big one in West Hollywood in the mid-1980s. I enjoyed it, especially a stand-up comedian's set, several of whose jokes I remember to this day. The fact that I only went to that one Pride says more about me than the event itself.
I'm an introverted homebody who doesn't have any real gay friends. I don't really fit with any of the "gay crowds" where I live. However, for me I celebrate Pride by making social media posts in attempts to educate my mostly non-LGBT friends, read/watch anything LGBT related, etc. Although I try to do all of that year round, it's fun having a month where I focus all of my entertainment options to the growing LGBT content being made available to us. Like this podcast. ;-)
@@Antony-g1p6d like I said, I’m an introverted homebody with no gay friends. And I’m a very light drinker (grew up in a strict non-alcohol religion/environment so adjusting to bar culture has been a rough transition on top of the gay world). Not to make excuses, but gay bars are overwhelming and I don’t really get much out of it. My people are the types who are also sitting at home wondering how they can meet people since they aren’t into the bar scene. 😂
I went to Stonewall 50 in 2019 which was the anniversary and also the host of WorldPride - the first time held in the USA. I had marched a bunch of times previously - my first was Stonewall 25 when I was at university, I was in the closet and out to no one but went & marched (I joined in to a random LGBTQ group because I thought that it was a historic event).
My first gay Pride in Washington DC, I got so excited. That didn’t last. And the trajectory of one’s life can make all the difference. The first Pride I remember was very different. I had two jobs, full time and part time for extra spending money. I worked the weekend when gays from all over the country, and possibly other countries, filling the streets and subways of DC. Gays were everywhere in the city like nothing ever seen. It was a very political time for gay rights so White House and US Capital protest were the main culprit of the crowd with the Pride celebration on Sunday. It was incredible to have witnessed that, and it was all by chance. My part time job was working weekends at the Air & Space Museum. They flooded the museum as well as the entire DC Mall where is access to every museum is made and pics taken of the Washington Monument as most any tourist visiting the city. Going home, they were flooding the subways traveling around the city. I lived in the popular gay district called DuPont Circle, where I exited the subway, and where the Pride Parade took place. I was much to tired to attend after hanging out all night, then going home just to shower and change for work. I stopped going to Pride years ago for a couple reasons I’ll point out here. One reason being is I a Black. As a Black person, I often felt the rejection of White Privileged Gays. Although, that didn’t stop many of them when they wanted to hook up, but hanging out with them was a very different experience. In any case, and always aware, I ignored all that and moved around being myself. I came out to my family with 5 siblings at 18. Never had that accepting or not accepting thing. Everyone just treated it as this was who I am without even a question. Today, it’s much harder for Black families, something I never understood. I never experienced rejection from family members, and never had conversations with others who may have. At Pride Parades, however, there was always tons of White people there and very few Blacks. I noticed the dynamics, but chose to only be in that little bubble I created for myself. It worked for me and that’s all I cared about. Where I lived, where I worked, where I traveled, all were in the confines of being surrounded by White people. And even as I knew there were whispers going on about me, around me all the time, I chose to ignore that too. But one day, a Black Gay Pride had started. Then I had to attend two separate parade gatherings every year. I didn’t understand why we had to have a separate celebration in the same city, but there it was. Later, I started to figure out why that was, which was mostly because Black people were not receiving the same benefits as the White gay community. And because this was a time where HIV and AIDS existed, the Black community had to create its own support system for people these services. The White community had raised money to purchase a large building and turn it into a health clinic. The Black community didn’t have those resources and didn’t feel they should have to travel to that side of town for these services. But it was the best option available. And it left a stain on people’s minds. That came with consequences of course, because infections skyrocketed. But petitions for more clinics all over the city eventually became a reality. Then there were people that wouldn’t go for checkups or treatment because of shame. If they were seen entering or exiting that building, someone might see them and start rumors where they lived. So the spread went through the straight communities before people truly began to wake the f*** up. I often volunteered my time, in the clinic or food banks. I was very lucky that I escaped getting infected, but to this day, don’t know how. I did make a few unnecessary risks before I got smart. But I also limited my sexual activity unlike many I knew. I kept waiting and waiting for the bad news, it never came. I feel very lucky. After some clear evaluation of my life, one day, I decided not to attend more Pride Parades because did nothing for my life. It didn’t make it better, or worse. Yes, I benefited from rights we received and fully aware to be thankful for that. My main issue was not worrying about being fired from work if found out about being gay. That’s about the same time when I learned fem gays hated masculine gays. And why I had trouble making friends in the community. It was cool to tell their friends they slept with a masculine gay, but not friends with one. Another form of discrimination to ignore. Besides, gays are weird, what can I say. Eventually, and today, I avoid all gays and gay activities. Too many politics and unnecessary culture clashes and got too bitter for me. I’ve been non existent in that world for a while now. I’ve abstained from sex after losing the love of my life some years ago. And we continued having sex for years even after we split, so i was okay I guess. No desire for anyone else. I never wanted to feel that hurt again, so I ensured that I didn’t. Life offer no guarantees for your happiness, only can hopefully give you that path. I reached a point in my life where hope is no longer enough. But fine as I am.
I have been meaning to send in this same perspective that Jake made. I am also 34 and feel exactly the same. Word for word. Said much better than I feel I could have. Feels nice to now I am not the only one! 😊
Such a big topic and ongoing for sure. Great coverage again this year. I hate to hear things like the Sydney experience, but I totally get it, cuz I've been in that kinda space and felt that way too. My hope is that it was just the area they were in., cuz like Joel said, must big city pride events have different vibes in different areas and times. Sounds like the sex party area,instead of the activist, celebration, music, or family fun areas. Regardless, I wish more places were able to help more folks feel welcome and especially fully wanted, not marginalized in there own "safe place". And yes, pride is still needed. I love in a mid sized city, close to a very large international city and my next door neighbors are very vocal and actively aggressive bigots who openly hate and attack folks for being different than them, all the slurs are regular and they feel very safe and supported doing it. So yes, it's needed. Thanks again guys for the 411 and the fun. 😂 Yes , Joel is spot on about that whole thing as an 80s USA kid. Now I'm gonna go find Joel's first video. 😊
ERG groups do make a difference. I led one for the queer community at a large mid west US company and the conversations, education that we had made a huge difference. Conversations with out board of director, leaders new employees being visible so important, raising or adopting kids as a gay person on and on I could go. Pride is needed we have a ways to go.
It is a good show actually. It seems to have come to life a little bit more now that you're recording it at home and you both seem to be much more relaxed.
Great vlog. I don’t see a link for the British Podcast Awards. Am I looking in the right spot? I’ll vote for sure. Keegan, HRH Prince Joel and BTS Harry, you are winners already in my in my book. Now, it’s time you got the recognition on a larger scale. If it is permissible to vote daily for you for that award, I will do so. Now, back to listening to the podcast again to help your metrics here. ❤
I saw the video where Joel asks how to say ‘I Love You’ in Spanish. I found the video, Joel hasn’t aged a millisecond, Luke found it ages ago and I’ll send the link over e-Mail.
I have had some shit to move through. Like, holy f***. And this video helped a ton. So, Thank You so very much for helping me achieve clarity, finally. It really really helped.
I've lived in Atlanta for 55 years, and as a gay man who came out in the early 90s, I'd disagree with your first video presenter - who is obviously not old enough to see the progress that has been made over the last 30 years. Historically Pride was about community strength and unity - now it's more of a social spectacle . . . and went on for a weekend . . . now it's a full month and numerous times throughout the year for various subgroups. It's gotten diluted and lost its power and message.
What is unfortunate is that some larger city pride festivities (e.g., DC) are unaffordable for local LGBTQ+ community organizations to have a table at the festivals to spread advocacy and showcase community building activities.
Funny you mentioned “Ask Jeeves”, I had always said I thought your spin off of answering single questions should be called “Ask Jeegs”. 🙂 Great episode, really good stuff and very informative. 🙌 ❤
Last Friday my partner went into work, read an article on a hate crime on the UK. He sarcastically said “happy pride everyone,” about to discuss the article with colleagues, but straight away a woman in the office shot him down “why do you lot have to shove it down our throats? I don’t have a problem with gays but it’s all too much!” He bought a load of mini pride flags over the weekend and when he went back in today he put them all around his desk. It’s a small way to fight back but I’m proud of him for it.
'Pride month' is a weird one in Australia, since over here the big event is Mardi Gras, and that's in February. So when all the stuff goes around online and in (some) shops in June, it's very much more a time for reflection on what it means to be part of a minority, for both good and bad. I don't usually do any sort of celebration in February, but I do sometimes use it as an excuse to wear the old team colours down to the shops, let people know that The Queers Live Among Us, Oooooooooh, Spooooky! (And at least one of them is really boring) But for the most part, February and June tend to be when I get reminded to go out and read the books and watch the movies and have the conversations with people that I've been putting off, because if I were straight, I wouldn't have thought twice about any of it. (I'm pretty much invisible for the whole rest of the year, because I'm bi, and if you openly signal that you're bi, straight people read that as you being _gay,_ which unfortunately means it's less about being 'out' than it is making a choice about which incorrect assumption to allow people to make about you... but, yeah. ) I also know it goes a long way beyond just me and my experience, and - constantly moving between the heterosexual world where the right to self-determine within your own adult relationships and your own personal, private life is so sacrosanct that it's almost never even _mentioned,_ to the LGBT+ one where it's _always_ being questioned by someone, somewhere - gives me a pretty strong appreciation for why pride stuff is important. It's not even about having the right to be who you are or love who you love, because for most people those rights _are not questioned_ - it's about remembering that _other_ people _do not_ have the right to arbitrarily insert themselves into that part of your life (or anyone's), just because of some personal attribute of yours (or theirs). If it's a situation where a heterosexual would also be called into question, fine. Otherwise, they can get stuffed.
(That argument for LGBT+ rights may sound like it is formulated from a right-wing perspective; it is, and as for the reason for that - can you guess which sorts of people I have the _most_ arguments with viz. LGBT+ rights? Generally, they tend towards a very right-wing viewpoint. I could stand there and scream 'NO U R WRONG!!!1!' at them, but as cathartic as that may feel, it's not providing them with any new ideas or information through which they might change their stance on something. This does, at least sometimes.)
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The perspective on PRIDE celebrations is MORE IMPORTANT these days than it was or has been in the past, since it appears that in this time era, so many opinionated antiquated beliefs that are attempting to take away our individuality due to 'their' upbringing, as well as need to rant & ignorantly believe that what our vast gay communities has anything to do with them. I'll also add that many gays in our city of Vancouver, BC Canada choose to leave town during our PRIDE celebrations due to it no longer feeling like this is about US anymore. Instead it's turned into an opportunity to propose support for us via absurd marketing opportunities to sell their services, products and own notoriety. The financial institutions that plaster their walls with PRIDE propaganda, are just as quick to remove signage as soon as PRIDE celebrational month ceases. Yes, some banks, services and businesses do indeed keep them up and truly care throughout the year. Another issue that brings this into better perspective, is a few years back, when PRIDE parade organizers offered onto groups into our parade, helping tight financial budgets for operations. Black Lives Matter group signed up to join the parade. However, due to THEIR groups poor incidents played out with police, they caused a huge ruccus, stating BLM were not happy with our city's Police department walking in our parades (as they had since the first PRIDE parade held in our city, dating back to 1981) in their uniforms. Many of us within gay community were very ticked off when PRIDE officials changed the rules to abide the BLM group, not understanding why it was necessary, even if there are many gays within the Black community. I know my thought was I didn't personally appreciate the need to accept a group such as BLM that felt they were the new bouncers of the parade, which is about US, not them. This change also altered many throughout our gay community to cease all involvement in OUR celebrations. Choosing instead to have celebration among friends and allies in a more private setting, far away from the events held in our city. I'll also add that it seems these days (yes, I still go regularly to show support & enjoy the events) that many that attend the events are straight friends of gay friends wanting to enjoy the celebrations as well as sights seen only during PRIDE. Such as 'dykes on bikes' with just pasties or other more pointedly sexual conduct that plays out on display during the celebration. PROUD gay 62yrs young male that has been out since 1983, Side note, absolutely LOVE your channel and both of your well-aligned presence and the topics discussed. I fell across your podcast awhile back and initially didn't think that it would be as enjoyable as it's been since that first video watched. Even if you're BOTH considerably younger with understandably different experiences both due to where you live as well as non-judgemental perspectives shared. And I'll be purchasing one of your YELLOW cups, provided you shipments come this far. cheers, Damian
I've only been to two pride events late in life. Both in a different city, then where I live, and I didn't know anyone either time. Since I didn't know anyone and as a way to give back to the community I volunteered for the 2nd one and helped with the parade. So there is more than one way to be in involved in gay pride. But I do think it is important so that hopefully going forward everyone in the gay community feels loved unlike what I grew up with in my generation.
As someone who enjoys watching the video as well as listening, I hope the camera problem gets fixed for next episode. It keeps focusing and unfocusing for some reason.
I haven't been to San Francisco Pride, but I've been to the Folsom Street Fair twice, and I never saw anything that could be called even remotely "lewd". I guess I was unlucky 😉
If your community has conservative forces bent on attacking gay rights, then yes, gay pride celebrations still serve an important function. This is especially the case in US during the Trump years till now.
I still want to attend my first pride, but I missed the local one in my town (wasn't advertised well) and every other one in my area has conflicted with my schedule
Joel you say over and over again « font of all wisdom » but the word is fount! A font is what you’re baptized in in church. Penultimate is the right word however !
White [Christian] men have privilege everywhere in the world, even in countries without white majorities - I know because I have lived in such places as well. That's how the world has been set up, due to European colonization, etc. There's no need to feel guilty, but that's the reality. Thankfully, some people are advocating for more equality and inclusiveness in the world.
Commercialization: Pride Month has become overly commercialized, with companies exploiting it for profit rather than genuinely supporting LGBTQ+ rights. Stereotyping: Pride events often focus on certain stereotypes and aspects of gay culture, which may not represent the diversity within the LGBTQ+ community. Exclusion: Some feel that the mainstream Pride celebrations can overlook or marginalize other parts of the LGBTQ+ spectrum, such as transgender or bisexual people. Political Disagreement: Differences in political or social views within the LGBTQ+ community can lead to discomfort with the messages or tone of Pride events. Personal Preference: Some individuals simply prefer privacy and do not enjoy large, public celebrations.
You guys should do a show on married gay men to woman. Its a taboo topic because some gay men marry women due to pressure. I have met or come accross married men on internet or clubs sneakng around. Im against it as people should be honest.
Stop saying you are privileged because you're white and male! You are European in a European country - so, society and culture will be eurocentric. Should black men in Nigeria, brown men in India or in Brazil feel guilty and acknowledge their privilege?
For me, gay pride is a time to celebrate the freedom of being able to love who you love. Happy Pride everyone! 🏜🕺🏻🐕🏖🇺🇸🏳🌈🏳⚧
June should be like December is for Christmas.... Never been to pride before going this year, so excited🏳️🌈
I no longer go to the pride parade, but it is still important to have Pride month.
Joel is 100% correct about the 411 in the USA.
Has pride lost its meaning? Hell no.
It's still needed as ever!
People should appreciate Joel and Keegan waffling on. It’s literally why we tune in.
Agreed, I love listening to them waffle lmao
Thank you for getting this right. A lot of younger people don't realize it was a protest. I've also noticed a lot of younger people don't seem to care when us old folks try to educate them on this.
In my 71 (about to be 72) years, the majority of them spent in the Los Angeles area, I've been to exactly one Pride festival. It was a big one in West Hollywood in the mid-1980s. I enjoyed it, especially a stand-up comedian's set, several of whose jokes I remember to this day. The fact that I only went to that one Pride says more about me than the event itself.
With the right-wing political attacks on trans people and gay rights, Pride could not be more important to show we will fight to keep our rights.
It was so touching seeing Keegan tear up while reading the reviews. Will definitely remember to give your podcast a vote for the award. Best of luck!
I'm an introverted homebody who doesn't have any real gay friends. I don't really fit with any of the "gay crowds" where I live. However, for me I celebrate Pride by making social media posts in attempts to educate my mostly non-LGBT friends, read/watch anything LGBT related, etc. Although I try to do all of that year round, it's fun having a month where I focus all of my entertainment options to the growing LGBT content being made available to us. Like this podcast. ;-)
Why dont you go to a gay club or bar to meet a guy? Im sure other gay men in your area.
@@Antony-g1p6d like I said, I’m an introverted homebody with no gay friends. And I’m a very light drinker (grew up in a strict non-alcohol religion/environment so adjusting to bar culture has been a rough transition on top of the gay world). Not to make excuses, but gay bars are overwhelming and I don’t really get much out of it. My people are the types who are also sitting at home wondering how they can meet people since they aren’t into the bar scene. 😂
In Australia, a protest march in 1978 was the forerunner of the successful Mardi Gras in Sydney....❤❤
Sweet, sweet video from Jim and his friends. Thanks for sharing and for pointing out important topics relevant to 'Pride'. Happy Pride!
We should always raise awareness and avoid complacency.
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I went to Stonewall 50 in 2019 which was the anniversary and also the host of WorldPride - the first time held in the USA. I had marched a bunch of times previously - my first was Stonewall 25 when I was at university, I was in the closet and out to no one but went & marched (I joined in to a random LGBTQ group because I thought that it was a historic event).
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Excellent point Keegan regarding “tolerance”!
I’ve never been tolerated or underestimated.
That’s been my mantra.
Cheers!
My first gay Pride in Washington DC, I got so excited. That didn’t last. And the trajectory of one’s life can make all the difference. The first Pride I remember was very different. I had two jobs, full time and part time for extra spending money. I worked the weekend when gays from all over the country, and possibly other countries, filling the streets and subways of DC. Gays were everywhere in the city like nothing ever seen. It was a very political time for gay rights so White House and US Capital protest were the main culprit of the crowd with the Pride celebration on Sunday. It was incredible to have witnessed that, and it was all by chance. My part time job was working weekends at the Air & Space Museum. They flooded the museum as well as the entire DC Mall where is access to every museum is made and pics taken of the Washington Monument as most any tourist visiting the city. Going home, they were flooding the subways traveling around the city. I lived in the popular gay district called DuPont Circle, where I exited the subway, and where the Pride Parade took place. I was much to tired to attend after hanging out all night, then going home just to shower and change for work.
I stopped going to Pride years ago for a couple reasons I’ll point out here. One reason being is I a Black. As a Black person, I often felt the rejection of White Privileged Gays. Although, that didn’t stop many of them when they wanted to hook up, but hanging out with them was a very different experience. In any case, and always aware, I ignored all that and moved around being myself. I came out to my family with 5 siblings at 18. Never had that accepting or not accepting thing. Everyone just treated it as this was who I am without even a question. Today, it’s much harder for Black families, something I never understood. I never experienced rejection from family members, and never had conversations with others who may have.
At Pride Parades, however, there was always tons of White people there and very few Blacks. I noticed the dynamics, but chose to only be in that little bubble I created for myself. It worked for me and that’s all I cared about. Where I lived, where I worked, where I traveled, all were in the confines of being surrounded by White people. And even as I knew there were whispers going on about me, around me all the time, I chose to ignore that too.
But one day, a Black Gay Pride had started. Then I had to attend two separate parade gatherings every year. I didn’t understand why we had to have a separate celebration in the same city, but there it was. Later, I started to figure out why that was, which was mostly because Black people were not receiving the same benefits as the White gay community. And because this was a time where HIV and AIDS existed, the Black community had to create its own support system for people these services. The White community had raised money to purchase a large building and turn it into a health clinic. The Black community didn’t have those resources and didn’t feel they should have to travel to that side of town for these services. But it was the best option available. And it left a stain on people’s minds. That came with consequences of course, because infections skyrocketed. But petitions for more clinics all over the city eventually became a reality. Then there were people that wouldn’t go for checkups or treatment because of shame. If they were seen entering or exiting that building, someone might see them and start rumors where they lived. So the spread went through the straight communities before people truly began to wake the f*** up. I often volunteered my time, in the clinic or food banks. I was very lucky that I escaped getting infected, but to this day, don’t know how. I did make a few unnecessary risks before I got smart. But I also limited my sexual activity unlike many I knew. I kept waiting and waiting for the bad news, it never came. I feel very lucky.
After some clear evaluation of my life, one day, I decided not to attend more Pride Parades because did nothing for my life. It didn’t make it better, or worse. Yes, I benefited from rights we received and fully aware to be thankful for that. My main issue was not worrying about being fired from work if found out about being gay. That’s about the same time when I learned fem gays hated masculine gays. And why I had trouble making friends in the community. It was cool to tell their friends they slept with a masculine gay, but not friends with one. Another form of discrimination to ignore. Besides, gays are weird, what can I say.
Eventually, and today, I avoid all gays and gay activities. Too many politics and unnecessary culture clashes and got too bitter for me.
I’ve been non existent in that world for a while now. I’ve abstained from sex after losing the love of my life some years ago. And we continued having sex for years even after we split, so i was okay I guess. No desire for anyone else. I never wanted to feel that hurt again, so I ensured that I didn’t. Life offer no guarantees for your happiness, only can hopefully give you that path. I reached a point in my life where hope is no longer enough. But fine as I am.
I have been meaning to send in this same perspective that Jake made. I am also 34 and feel exactly the same. Word for word. Said much better than I feel I could have. Feels nice to now I am not the only one! 😊
Pride can mean whatever someone wants it to. People are also free to not participate.
Such a big topic and ongoing for sure. Great coverage again this year.
I hate to hear things like the Sydney experience, but I totally get it, cuz I've been in that kinda space and felt that way too. My hope is that it was just the area they were in., cuz like Joel said, must big city pride events have different vibes in different areas and times. Sounds like the sex party area,instead of the activist, celebration, music, or family fun areas. Regardless, I wish more places were able to help more folks feel welcome and especially fully wanted, not marginalized in there own "safe place".
And yes, pride is still needed. I love in a mid sized city, close to a very large international city and my next door neighbors are very vocal and actively aggressive bigots who openly hate and attack folks for being different than them, all the slurs are regular and they feel very safe and supported doing it. So yes, it's needed.
Thanks again guys for the 411 and the fun. 😂 Yes , Joel is spot on about that whole thing as an 80s USA kid. Now I'm gonna go find Joel's first video. 😊
Just love the two of you together guys ❤❤
ERG groups do make a difference. I led one for the queer community at a large mid west US company and the conversations, education that we had made a huge difference. Conversations with out board of director, leaders new employees being visible so important, raising or adopting kids as a gay person on and on I could go. Pride is needed we have a ways to go.
It is a good show actually. It seems to have come to life a little bit more now that you're recording it at home and you both seem to be much more relaxed.
Great vlog. I don’t see a link for the British Podcast Awards. Am I looking in the right spot? I’ll vote for sure.
Keegan, HRH Prince Joel and BTS Harry, you are winners already in my in my book. Now, it’s time you got the recognition on a larger scale. If it is permissible to vote daily for you for that award, I will do so.
Now, back to listening to the podcast again to help your metrics here. ❤
Joel just checked out Ask Ollie think you missed out an very important discussion point!!!
The hairdo!!! #discuss
I saw the video where Joel asks how to say ‘I Love You’ in Spanish. I found the video, Joel hasn’t aged a millisecond, Luke found it ages ago and I’ll send the link over e-Mail.
Happy pride 🎉
I have had some shit to move through. Like, holy f***. And this video helped a ton. So, Thank You so very much for helping me achieve clarity, finally. It really really helped.
At 49:45 Keegan's audio sounds lol Happy Friday overseas brothers! 🙏 🌈
The march started in NYC, the year after the riots to commemorate the Stonewall Riots.
Pride is accepting who you are (gay) not being someone another person wants you to be
I've lived in Atlanta for 55 years, and as a gay man who came out in the early 90s, I'd disagree with your first video presenter - who is obviously not old enough to see the progress that has been made over the last 30 years. Historically Pride was about community strength and unity - now it's more of a social spectacle . . . and went on for a weekend . . . now it's a full month and numerous times throughout the year for various subgroups. It's gotten diluted and lost its power and message.
What is unfortunate is that some larger city pride festivities (e.g., DC) are unaffordable for local LGBTQ+ community organizations to have a table at the festivals to spread advocacy and showcase community building activities.
Funny you mentioned “Ask Jeeves”, I had always said I thought your spin off of answering single questions should be called “Ask Jeegs”. 🙂 Great episode, really good stuff and very informative. 🙌 ❤
Last Friday my partner went into work, read an article on a hate crime on the UK. He sarcastically said “happy pride everyone,” about to discuss the article with colleagues, but straight away a woman in the office shot him down “why do you lot have to shove it down our throats? I don’t have a problem with gays but it’s all too much!”
He bought a load of mini pride flags over the weekend and when he went back in today he put them all around his desk. It’s a small way to fight back but I’m proud of him for it.
'Pride month' is a weird one in Australia, since over here the big event is Mardi Gras, and that's in February. So when all the stuff goes around online and in (some) shops in June, it's very much more a time for reflection on what it means to be part of a minority, for both good and bad.
I don't usually do any sort of celebration in February, but I do sometimes use it as an excuse to wear the old team colours down to the shops, let people know that The Queers Live Among Us, Oooooooooh, Spooooky! (And at least one of them is really boring)
But for the most part, February and June tend to be when I get reminded to go out and read the books and watch the movies and have the conversations with people that I've been putting off, because if I were straight, I wouldn't have thought twice about any of it. (I'm pretty much invisible for the whole rest of the year, because I'm bi, and if you openly signal that you're bi, straight people read that as you being _gay,_ which unfortunately means it's less about being 'out' than it is making a choice about which incorrect assumption to allow people to make about you... but, yeah. )
I also know it goes a long way beyond just me and my experience, and - constantly moving between the heterosexual world where the right to self-determine within your own adult relationships and your own personal, private life is so sacrosanct that it's almost never even _mentioned,_ to the LGBT+ one where it's _always_ being questioned by someone, somewhere - gives me a pretty strong appreciation for why pride stuff is important. It's not even about having the right to be who you are or love who you love, because for most people those rights _are not questioned_ - it's about remembering that _other_ people _do not_ have the right to arbitrarily insert themselves into that part of your life (or anyone's), just because of some personal attribute of yours (or theirs). If it's a situation where a heterosexual would also be called into question, fine. Otherwise, they can get stuffed.
(That argument for LGBT+ rights may sound like it is formulated from a right-wing perspective; it is, and as for the reason for that - can you guess which sorts of people I have the _most_ arguments with viz. LGBT+ rights? Generally, they tend towards a very right-wing viewpoint. I could stand there and scream 'NO U R WRONG!!!1!' at them, but as cathartic as that may feel, it's not providing them with any new ideas or information through which they might change their stance on something. This does, at least sometimes.)
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The perspective on PRIDE celebrations is MORE IMPORTANT these days than it was or has been in the past, since it appears that in this time era, so many opinionated antiquated beliefs that are attempting to take away our individuality due to 'their' upbringing, as well as need to rant & ignorantly believe that what our vast gay communities has anything to do with them.
I'll also add that many gays in our city of Vancouver, BC Canada choose to leave town during our PRIDE celebrations due to it no longer feeling like this is about US anymore. Instead it's turned into an opportunity to propose support for us via absurd marketing opportunities to sell their services, products and own notoriety. The financial institutions that plaster their walls with PRIDE propaganda, are just as quick to remove signage as soon as PRIDE celebrational month ceases. Yes, some banks, services and businesses do indeed keep them up and truly care throughout the year.
Another issue that brings this into better perspective, is a few years back, when PRIDE parade organizers offered onto groups into our parade, helping tight financial budgets for operations. Black Lives Matter group signed up to join the parade. However, due to THEIR groups poor incidents played out with police, they caused a huge ruccus, stating BLM were not happy with our city's Police department walking in our parades (as they had since the first PRIDE parade held in our city, dating back to 1981) in their uniforms.
Many of us within gay community were very ticked off when PRIDE officials changed the rules to abide the BLM group, not understanding why it was necessary, even if there are many gays within the Black community. I know my thought was I didn't personally appreciate the need to accept a group such as BLM that felt they were the new bouncers of the parade, which is about US, not them.
This change also altered many throughout our gay community to cease all involvement in OUR celebrations. Choosing instead to have celebration among friends and allies in a more private setting, far away from the events held in our city.
I'll also add that it seems these days (yes, I still go regularly to show support & enjoy the events) that many that attend the events are straight friends of gay friends wanting to enjoy the celebrations as well as sights seen only during PRIDE. Such as 'dykes on bikes' with just pasties or other more pointedly sexual conduct that plays out on display during the celebration.
PROUD gay 62yrs young male that has been out since 1983,
Side note, absolutely LOVE your channel and both of your well-aligned presence and the topics discussed. I fell across your podcast awhile back and initially didn't think that it would be as enjoyable as it's been since that first video watched. Even if you're BOTH considerably younger with understandably different experiences both due to where you live as well as non-judgemental perspectives shared. And I'll be purchasing one of your YELLOW cups, provided you shipments come this far. cheers, Damian
I've only been to two pride events late in life. Both in a different city, then where I live, and I didn't know anyone either time. Since I didn't know anyone and as a way to give back to the community I volunteered for the 2nd one and helped with the parade. So there is more than one way to be in involved in gay pride. But I do think it is important so that hopefully going forward everyone in the gay community feels loved unlike what I grew up with in my generation.
As someone who enjoys watching the video as well as listening, I hope the camera problem gets fixed for next episode. It keeps focusing and unfocusing for some reason.
I haven't been to San Francisco Pride, but I've been to the Folsom Street Fair twice, and I never saw anything that could be called even remotely "lewd". I guess I was unlucky 😉
If your community has conservative forces bent on attacking gay rights, then yes, gay pride celebrations still serve an important function. This is especially the case in US during the Trump years till now.
I still want to attend my first pride, but I missed the local one in my town (wasn't advertised well) and every other one in my area has conflicted with my schedule
lost its meaning, but maybe it can find it again with corporations showing less interest again
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Joel you say over and over again « font of all wisdom » but the word is fount! A font is what you’re baptized in in church. Penultimate is the right word however !
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Hi, Interesting Episode,was gonna say more on my thoughts,i have pride for others,i'm not Entitled to pride as i have a disability.
White [Christian] men have privilege everywhere in the world, even in countries without white majorities - I know because I have lived in such places as well. That's how the world has been set up, due to European colonization, etc. There's no need to feel guilty, but that's the reality. Thankfully, some people are advocating for more equality and inclusiveness in the world.
2:20 Peri-ultimate?
Commercialization: Pride Month has become overly commercialized, with companies exploiting it for profit rather than genuinely supporting LGBTQ+ rights.
Stereotyping: Pride events often focus on certain stereotypes and aspects of gay culture, which may not represent the diversity within the LGBTQ+ community.
Exclusion: Some feel that the mainstream Pride celebrations can overlook or marginalize other parts of the LGBTQ+ spectrum, such as transgender or bisexual people.
Political Disagreement: Differences in political or social views within the LGBTQ+ community can lead to discomfort with the messages or tone of Pride events.
Personal Preference: Some individuals simply prefer privacy and do not enjoy large, public celebrations.
Pride has lost its meaning when it went from a protest to a celebration
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You guys should do a show on married gay men to woman. Its a taboo topic because some gay men marry women due to pressure. I have met or come accross married men on internet or clubs sneakng around. Im against it as people should be honest.
1 Day for War Veterans - Remembrance Day or Anzac Day in Australasia. 1 MONTH for Pride. WTF?
NO....A MONTH...NO....THERE ARE BLANTANT REASONS WHY SOME GET ANGRY AND DISLIKE THE LGBT COMMUNITY....EVEN GAYS NEED TO GET OVER IT
Stop saying you are privileged because you're white and male! You are European in a European country - so, society and culture will be eurocentric. Should black men in Nigeria, brown men in India or in Brazil feel guilty and acknowledge their privilege?
NO!!! It's a Disgrace!!!