How ARMOR Works in Helldivers 2
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- A Run Down on how your Armor Values works in Helldivers 2 right down to the formulas and numbers that make up every little detail. Hope you find this helpful!
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Edit: Hey to those of you I told the Servo doesn't stack with Vitality, this in fact actually not true they do stack but not in the way you might expect. I'll have a full video on limb health and how injury works soon!
Took awhile to get the graphics together for this one but glad to bring you guys yet more nerd numbers. Thanks for watching and as always my favorite comment will be featured at the end of the next video!
The time spent on the the graphics was well worth it, amazing video and the most concise and detailed Ive come across. well deserved sub, i look forward to more content (especially after the new big patch coming)
Also, there is something up with your audio that reduces the production quality, the loudness of your voice changes between what i assume is takes, and goes from slightly blown out to muffled, dunno if it was just me, but maybe an equalizer and looking into sound editing on top of the graphics might make it even better!
What about extra limb health it’s sneaky good matched w/ vitality (maybe it’s broke) I find I can take way more hits with it and it comes with 30% throwing distance on nades and stratagems
I believe it's my M7's auto normalization kicking in everytime I open my push to talk, i've been having alot of audio trouble since I upgraded my mic which is unfortunate
Your audio is within a completely acceptable range of good quality. I’m using AirPod pro 2’s and didn’t notice the muffled or overdriven sound at all. Just curious, what audio interface are you using with your M7? ….or do you have the Shure MV7+? That one does have auto-gain….and a built in USB interface.
It's crazy how useless the in game info is. We're missing so much information like planet supply lines, durable damage, and some booster descriptions. I didn't even know armor had such obscure mechanics
yeah armor is a rabbit hole
Yeah, I hate when games give you armor with "shield icon" and 30 nearby and you think "30 what? What does that mean??"
And then some power armor fallout appears and woaaah it's now 450 near "shield icon" . But...450 WHAT???
@@LaserTractor Arbitrary stats are sooo dumb. If that number isn't serving as a multiplier or some other direct representation of the damage mitigation, it shouldn't be the number being displayed!
It's so sad how the devs of Helldivers 2 had this notion that somehow obscuring information from the player made things "less confusing." It's not only insulting, it's just flat out wrong. More information will NEVER be more confusing. Arbitrary stats that represent NOTHING and hiding the majority of REAL stats behind the UI in the game code only is what makes things confusing!!!
@@JohnGrahamDoe yeah, I like stats too. But if it has 100 kinetic and 100 explosive damage - DON'T add these two together like they did with scorcher and many other weapons.
They listed penetration for grenades but not for primaries.
I don't even talk about stratagem support weapons.
"Go and explore". Duuhhh...I'm 300 hours deep, just give me data, I've explored enough.
This is why I like the way Warframe does armor.
You have a seemingly arbitrary armor value, but if you mouse over the number, it'll tell you exactly the amount of Damage reduction you're getting from it
Games can keep their arbitrary numbers if they want, but at least give us an easy way to peek behind the scenes.
Just leaving a comment here so General Brasch doesnt nerf the vitality booster.
good soldier
It's fine. It's clear that the devs don't even understand how their own mechanics work, so we don't have to worry about them nerfing the boosters anytime soon.
they're gonna be slowing down on nerfs now, and refrain from knee jerk reactions.
WAIT A MINUTE!! the bile spewers vomit attack, the thing that gets me killed ALL THE TIME, is EXPLOSIVE!??!?!?!? WHAT?!?
never, in a thousand years would I think a stream of vomit would do the same damage as a grenade
if the splash of it still hitting people even tho the projectile hit the ground didn't gave it away as a "sort" of explosive AoE, idk what else it could be saying but that's probably juuuust me
@@Kasumi_Tashi yes, but the point is that it's MAJORITY AoE, meaning the direct projectile isn't a significant factor.
@@Kasumi_Tashi I thought it was its own thing like "acid" or "bile" and was waiting for a set of armor that would give me a resistance to that elemental damage. it being counted as explosive damage is very counter intuitive to me
Yep it's a bomb, who knew
Basically Explosive is more akin to AoE damage than actually explosive.
Actually, does explosive resistance help against flamethrowers?
Would really appreciate a guide for where to shoot enemies. Which limbs have most/ least hp, different armor/DR types, etc
It's cookin, That one is alot more graphics haha
@@EravinVT Is it also going to cover explosives and damage to main? I find that gets the most confusing, like how you can two shot a devastator with the grenade launcher if you take out an arm on the first shot, however I haven't been able to consistently destroy the arm on the first shot (I think it requires like an elbow hit or something, idk, splash damage seems super inconsistent)
Cool breakdown. Recently switched from the kodiak to the fortified commando and definitely noticed a significant difference when taking rockets to the face.
Thought it was my imagination, but this kinda confirms it.
Glad I could confirm that, and thanks for watching!
I’m also rather fond of that armor, greatly improves survivability
Another thought.... stop taking rockets to the face? They are slow moving. Just duck. Is what I do in my heavy armor. Can't move fast, but ducking is quick.
tried the marshmallow armor, you can actually feel the difference and im not talking the speed difference lmao. you can actually get swarmed by hunters and come out relatively fine or the stuck in a bullet storm and walk it off, plus fire doesnt evaporate you, still hurts though lol. once vehicles come into the game the big downside of speed will be much more tolerable
for sure
I always run it on bug missions and I usually die 1-2 times max on helldive. Many times its in 0-1 numbers
Vehicles are already in the game. Exo-suits.
@@__Razer wut
@@__Razer im talking wheels
It would be nice to see you breakdown what exactly all the boosters do and any interactions with them and Armour Passives.
I've heard so many rumours about perks doing stuff thats not listed in the description like Muscle Enhancement reducing stun duration.
Pretty nice and informative video regardless.
thanks for the super and I think i've seen a few all boosters videos, cashcrop has a super detailed one I believe? eitherway thanks for watchin!
There are some really good ones as Eravin said.
The only one I haven't seen any good info on is motivational shocks. I've seen people say it's an 80% reduction and others say it's a 20% reduction.
Saw a video from reddit comparing the durations and a hunter slow lost like .4 seconds or something... it seems like it's kinda useless. Hoping they make it slow immunity!
so you're telling me there's other armor outside of light scout armor?
Nope
Try the medium “stealth” combat technician armor. Same as the scout but with the added benefit of a higher armor rating.
@@Suhayl_Khatib im not gonna wear it, even if there's a fire! 🙂
Theres the Arctic Rancher Armor which does look pretty cool
Ur vids are slowly becoming my fav helldiver content on youtube
doin my best!
Has always been my favourite. No drama or whining, and actually knows what he's talking about. I share them often, since we need to get more of the community out of the rage bait engagement farm channels, and get them trained up on how to succeed, rather than just begging for buffs all the time.
Fantastic video and useful data as always. Thanks for being one of the must watch HD2 channels. The effort you put in is greatly appreciated
Also, they definitely need to change armor headshots to be a nice sliding scale starting at the lightest armor
Headshots are kinda insane rn, would like it to start the curve at 150% atleast
A lot of words just for me to take away from this that extra padding medium armor is goated. Also shame most everyone thinks vitality booster is just limb damage and nothing else.
Dude I had no idea the Vitality booster was that impactful on damage values. This changes everything, huge thank you for clarifying this, this info will solve many a debate I have with my four man squad mates lmao
I am a light armor diver, but having tried the marshmellow man suit for the first time recently I do "get" the appeal. Shouldn't say these things too loudly, but extra padding probably became overpowered when it is on medium or heavy armor after the armor buffs. If only there were some options in the vicinity of one with ~120 and one with ~170 armor via extra padding.
A 170 would be really comfortable
OMG i need SO much more explanation! This is fascinating and i REALLY wanna know the details. Thank you for your service to democracy!
Shield generator pack, democracy protects perk, and vitality is as close as you can get to invincibility. It’s what I run on the search and destroy type missions.
Honestly this is one huge advertisement for Vitality Booster, running that plus Fortified has been a lifesaver in bot missions where I KNOW I should've died from a hit (like a Devastator rocket or a nearby tank shot impact)
But now that I kinda have an idea about the Armor Padding and Democracy Protects, this will help. I mostly disregarded Extra Padding because of the dubious effectiveness of it (and also because of the pretense of it being one of the first armors you unlock, and in most games that means it's meant to be 'outgrown') but after this, it's another piece of armor worthy of consideration added to the toolbox.
Basically Yeah
Great video! It’s clear, you show numbers on screen, easy to follow and you put all number together for an easy comparisson.
Would love to see values for Speed and Stamina aswell.
With 50 armor you take x% dmg with x% movement speed.
With 200 armor you take x% dmg with x% movement speed.
There are some great resources with the speed and stamina laid out floating around youtube already so I might not cover that bit personally
Best video on Armor so far I have read
I feel like with the Armors in the game, they should try and do some things that isn't so massed producted; which i get can be kinda part of the point of helldivers being 18 and constantly joining, but, having armor that does reflect enemy damage but slows you down ALOT
Or armor that increase distance of all thrown things, armor that gives extra rockets, extra primary ammo, ammo for machine guns, maybe an armor set for energy based weapons
Something more than just
Throw stratigums farther
2 extra grenades
2 extra stims
Less explosion damage
Extra armor by defaults (not like it really does anything)
To be fair to Fortified, it also has 30% recoil reduction, which I've seen from other video testing works even while standing, and is pretty nice with certain weapons like the Autocannon. So while you'll generally get more defensive value out of Extra Padding, Fortified gives a solid offensive edge as well. Fortified is a really decent bot perk if you're running AC. Bugs, I thought it was kind of pointless, and Engineering Kit was strictly better if you wanted the recoil reduction, but now that I know acid counts as explosive, it's looking up.
Yeah Recoil Reduction can also be a part of choosing one or the other, But knowing the explosive resistance outside of bugs does not really help you survive as much as you would expect is an important take away
The Fortified isn't as useful as extra padding for most damage, but I suppose that should be obvious since it's only 1/2 of it's perks. It comes with really good recoil mitigation after all. A big thing I was wondering is because armor doesn't increase your health, just DR, the speed at which stims heal you is effectively doubled. I have seen this in play too, if you stim in heavy armor the amount of spike damage it takes to kill you is basically impossible to receive, so while on paper its 2x more damage than light, in SHTF scenarios, stims keep you alive far better.
Vit booster is so good. Wish my head didnt hurt so much
it's the goat
Well done on the video, Eravin. 2:18 Are you saying that Vitality Enhancement Booster only provides damage resistance and does not increase your healthpool?
No health pool increase, all helldivers have 125HP max and that's that. It's a multiplicative damage reduction applied in the armor formula. Also hi @cashcrop_ love your content!
@@EravinVT Thanks for the kudos, I enjoy your content, as well. I’ve been revisiting Boosters to supplement my dated video. I can confirm your headshot values for 50, 100, and 150 AR. I built a scale to fit over the health bar, and the data I’m seeing is inline with what you’ve presented.
I plan to revisit Servo-Assisted with and without Vitality Enhancement (with some help from some friends willing to shoot me over and over again across about 12 armors). I appreciate your GitHub post. I’ll compare what I get out of that as I’ll be testing Light, Medium, and Heavy armors. Cheers!
Edit: one last thing I forgot to mention. I was testing the effects of those Bug Plants (orange pustules) regarding the slow debuff and was running Vitality Enhancement for a baseline. I must have run over 20+ and took zero damage. Got me thinking that perhaps Vitality Enhancement provides damage reduction and not a health increase. I’ve been thinking about the drowning issue with Vitality Enhancement a while ago that was patched out. It was used as confirmation that we have increased health. Perhaps, instead drowning was coded to do flat damage, ignoring armor resistance, but the devs forgot about accounting for Vitality Enhancement.
@cashcrop_ so I actually just did a session testing servo and it does stack with vitality, however unlike vitality it just reduces the damage done to your limbs specifically, which does not effect the damage dealt to your total health by 33%. Servo also has no impact at all on chest injuries. Vitality as I documented is 20% DR for both injuries and your real HP
@@EravinVT Interesting. I ran through about 20 meters of barbed wire and saw no difference in remaining health between Servo-Assisted and Scout (both light armor).
I usually wear armor sets for visual appeal (even tho its inefficient) and found that wearing heavy armor other than the padded boi compared to light armor had no real difference in survival, maybe allowing me to take an extra hit give or take. I dont really mind the slowness of the heavy armor and usually always bring stamina or muscle to compensate. Your video really helped me understand the importance of vitality booster. This was a great video for helping me understand the entire subject. I dont think it would make me stop wearing heavy armor for visual appeal, but I will definitely start packing vitality as a go-to booster. Lastly, my luck is crap so I don't like to use democracy protects and just chose more certain stats for protection.
Huh. Nice to know... But I'm not taking Battlemaster off. If Trailblazer is your look, Battlemaster is mine, and it has served me very well despite it not being the best pick for dealing with direct impact bot rockets. I care little for optimizing every aspect of my playstyle anyway, but this info will be useful for everyone, regardless of their stance on that.
I’ll never stop wearing trailblazer regardless but I like talking about numbers
After all the buffs that have been given to heavy armor, the fortified commando+vitality perk has become my favorite armor set
I did not have exact numbers. But playing I came to the exact same conclusions. I don't mind being slow. I am heavy armor, extra padding, shield pack, and vitality perk. If I don't die, I can res my team. Also, friendly fire is not friendly, this helps.
No channel is more useful than this for learning about the game
doin my best!
Hope it gets to 3000 + likes. Great content Eravin! Keep the knowledge train rolling, for Democracy!
😁👍🔥
thanks for these videos in general
Glad you like them!
So termanid acid is actually considered “explosive”? Dang, honestly never bothered to look into that since that sounds too stupid to be a thing, but here we are I guess. Find a use for the light fortified then
yep, it's explosive
Light armor with extra padding and baseline medium armor, both with 100 armor, provide the same protection? Interesting. I would've expected the light/medium/heavy armor classes having some differences even with the same armor value.
For the extra padding vs fortified, does getting hit by a rocket’s AOE (but not the rocket itself) still deal ballistic damage or is that pure explosion, and how does that work in the argument between the two
That's an explosion, but you survive that regardless because its a base of 60 damage
@@EravinVT makes sense, thanks
This honestly makes my blood boil. Why did Arrowhead design such a needlessly complicated game, then refuse to give us ANY information on how it works? Then they wonder why people stick to the only metas they can actually comprehend. Absolute clownshow. *edit* Which is to say, THANK YOU for making these videos. They're absolutely essential for my enjoyment of the game :)
Yeah there is a serious lack of information and tooltips are sometimes just flat out wrong. On the plus side, it gives me something to do lol
@@EravinVT And it's very much appreciated :) It would be so much easier to just show H/T/A/L values in that format, with a tooltip explaining that's the damage you take to your head, torso, arms and legs, in percentage of enemy weapon damage. It's an active choice to hide information at this point.
WHEN CAN WE GET A LIGHT DEMOCRACY PROTECTS!
Also, I've heard the new Ranger armor is better than the trailblazer because of the visual armor, is this true?
Fake
@EravinVT ok. Makes sense, was just curious because it made sense from a lore standpoint(the arm protection was alot better visually) but didn't seem like it'd be true in reality.
So you're telling me i will become the ultimate chonky survivor with the vitality booster and the marshmallow armor?
And explosive resistance will help with the spitty boys, even better!
Of course, this will all be irrelevant the moment they add the commando armor
But until then... 😅
yes and yes! thanks for watching
@@EravinVT you know, i gotta thank you for this vid
I played one of those exterminate missions with my friends and took the "explosive resistance" bomb suit from democratic detonation, the heavy one
I actually managed to survive some of those bloat bugs sneaking up on me and blasting me with their puke!
Was pretty hit or miss, and I'm wondering if being crouched while ambushed affected the resistance or not?
The term "limb health" really threw me off and stopped me from running vitality booster because I was unsure how/if it decreased how much damage you take. Seeing the numbers here is super reassuring and I may start running vitality over stamina so I don't have to wear democracy protects armour all the time.
fun fact, neither mention of limbhealth actually functionally increase limb health and instead reduce the damage received
Stealth numbers! Do armor values change sound/ visual? Or is it just by classification?
I don't wear Fortified armour to survive the enemies, but to survive my teammates. Explosive strikes, mortars, auticannons etcetera. Also its a must have when im running the grenade launcher.
Lol fair enuf
Oh this is heaven thanks for the numbers and statistics dude I was looking for EVERR!
Edit:why are rocket ones hots a thing still and why do headsets shots so much stupid dmg?
Edit edit:pliz nerf rockets
rockets are insane still yah
Thanks for this!
Welp, waiting on 129 Armor with Medic. 😢
Why are the armors in thos game so useless except for the Medic ones?!
Does head armor depend on body armor values? Can I choose a helmet with better protection or is it just aesthetics?
I was all light armor and decided to try out heavy with explosive resistance against automatons because rocket devastators were wrecking me. Imagine my surprise when I was still one-shot by the first volley. What even is the point of it all when the very attack it's specifically designed to withstand still one shots you??? This game needs a LOT of buffs...
With Experimental Infusion adding 15% Damage Reduction, is the final damage received 0.85 of the values portrayed here?
Given that Vitality Booster and Explosion resistance perk is also equipped.
Yep
so much infos i did not have, i feel like the numbers we get from the game are cosmetic at this point.
That's because they are :)
@@EravinVT forgot to thank you
Me wearing light armor: Damage mitigation doesn't matter as much if they cant hit me.
same
Oh, so that's why everyone hates bots so much. After i heard 101+ armor got headshot resistance, i equipped the stock B-01 armor and never looked back. It seems a lot of people are still getting critted by bots.
Just send my friend 7:46 screenshot, he is always running scout and I'm always the marshmallow man xD
btw, one of the patches mentioned 10% damage reduction for heavy armor. Is it an additional modifier, or they just adjusted the damage reduction calculations?
This takes that buff into account, you can see there is a noticeable jump in scaling as things get heavier it stops being as linear
Who needs heavy armor when cover is the best armor 🪨
True
I suddenly want the marshmallow armor
Is there light armor with explosive resistance? Level 87 have everything from war bonds.
Yes, one or two! Super Store though
@@irfkaptan appreciate it!
Does the extra limb health perk do anything for survivability, or does it just increase the threshold for a limb to become injured
I don't really get why the player has a head crit spot this isn't really the game for that sort of thing, I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes an ongoing issue
It just gives limb internal HP 50% damage reduction, main HP isn't affected in any way.
It does not stack with Vitality Booster so never use it unless you want the throwing distance
What about medium and heavy armors with limb health and vitality booster
Also i think this armor is bugged if feels like you have no armor
Limb Health from Servo does not stack with Vitality and does not give the % resist
How’d y’all figure this out?
Science, The Ministry of Truth has access to cutting edge researching methods
did Not know vitality booster reduces damage< ive been running a cqb flamethrower hvy medic armor build on automatons. and every bit of armor would help
Yep 20% multiplicative DR
Я тут проверял и броня с усилением "Демократия Защищает" и правда защищает. Я в такой броне против жуков крайне редко умираю =)
Роботы для меня скучные, но наверное потом и к ним приду.
Однажды в такой броне выжил после падения на одной планете, где есть высокие каменные образования... Высота наверное там с 9 этажей или около того, даже выше скорее всего. Я прыгнул помню... Так как выбора не было =D И упав на примерно шею -- Выжил :D
It seems ive been using the opposite armors for bugs and bots. Will have to switch and see if it feels different.
And now to go see if the how weapons work video got 3000 likes. Since I still want a more detailed breakdown of what's happening.
No. Everyone go like that video again.
xD
wonder how stim booster works with this?
Acid being categorized as explosive damage is the most useful thing ive ever heard i will run light armor fortified from now on for bugs
:D thanks for watching
Yes! Light fortified armor I found to be useful on eradicates and games where there’s map fog since it can help with bile sneak attacks
y'know, that explains why my explosive resistance armor helped me live so much against bugs. Here I was thinking that it was just because my teammates had a slightly harder time killing me LMAOO
Not really worth it, biletitans attack are easy to avoid, as for the spewers... You'll run that armor when you could use something better just for the chance of the mission being that rare chance of being a spewer one? Debatable, but not at all when you realize most of the time you dodge them, and when you don't, it's usually because one came from behind and they one shot you anyways, either with or without the passive.
You'll get oneshot anyways lol
10:17 Wait, so you're telling me I should have been running Fortified on bug missions and Extra padding on bots?! I've been doing the opposite! How Many Other Lies Have I Been Told By The Council?!
Not by my Council, I represent the Ministry of Truth
For bug we need to run fast
How are people this dense? Just let a bile spewer hit you in light armor, then in heavy armor. Then do it again in explosive fortified. If you are in heavy, explosive fortified, shield pack, and vitality you can ignore bile spewers. They basically just tickle.
@@davidbeppler3032 Its hard to tell how much vomit actually hit you. Did i survive because my armor helped or was i just slightly off the vomit trajectory and most of it missed.
@@Steir12 So true, those bile attacks feel like they desync sometimes. You get hit by stuff that didn't even touch you sometimes.
MORE NERD NUMBERS YES
always a bit more
Nice touch finally having your model talk to the camera instead of just having a stream clip of talking to chat or the people you're playing with in the background.
trying it out, it's a little jank as my recording still has my avatar behind it, but given how this video is legit all about the information on screen and nothing to do with the gameplay, I felt it was best
@@EravinVT you felt right
@@EravinVT I barely noticed the second avatar behind the talking one.
You showed B-01 Tactical as your example for 100 armor value, but that armor has 150 armor value due to Extra Padding.
I was waiting for someone to notice, this was an intentional error so this would occur :) Good catch
THATS WHY I RUN IT ITS SO GOOD
Heavy medic FTW against bots when running auto cannon. Feel like a tank build... Until The random headshot takes me out or I get stuck in a ragdoll and cannot stim as I slowly roll around on the ground for a ridiculous amount of time.
Really wish they would put a timer on the ragdoll State and allow you to be able to stim after a certain amount of time being in said state.
From my experience im so confused with extra padding, the light armor variant is great, the marshmallow man variant is great. But the starter set feels like it does nothing?
@@Necro_fury I've recently re-used the starter set. Turns out it's pretty good! I think a big part of it feeling useless comes down to how bad we are at the game when we start. Similarly, the precision strike is actually a fantastic stratagem against bots, I would say as long as as you can land it, it's better than the railcannon strike. But when you start out, you miss a lot since you don't know throwing distances
Phenomenal breakdown of armor. Been playing for hundreds of hours more than I ever should and by experience it lines up with everything you said. Never knew vitality added a reduction multiplier. Just attributed it 20% extra health but never felt it was accurate. Keep pumping out the nerd info content. I really appreciate your effort.
Doin my best thanks for watching!
Same for me. I am still buffled that the vitality booster comes with a damage reduction multiplier. Are you really sure about this!?
I love the detailed breakdowns!
As long as i've got ideas we've got breakdowns
@@EravinVT Thanks Eravin! Loving your well thought out breakdowns!
Nice to know that the Fortified light armor from the superstore is actually beneficial, taking less explosive damage than non-Fortified heavy armor. Feels like a justified purchase now.
Edit: Lmao, never mind, got to the part of the video that talks about explosive projectiles. Oof. Guess I should be on the lookout for the Extra Padding light armor in the superstore.
lol yeaaah
Don't lament, it's still a contender for the best armour choice against bugs in a subjective listing
recoil ctrl boost is massive though, especially since it works while standing too apparently, so still really good reducing all direct missile damage by ~25% and aoe by 50% compared to the 25% less damage across the board with padding
what I came for: "so is the light armor with armor padding actually worth using over light armors with other skills, or is it a negligible difference?"
what I took away: "the vitality booster was THAT important!?"
Lol oh yeah, it’s the best
Probably the most INFORMATIVE Video yet. And yet I must ask "WHY IS THIS NOT IN GAME!" Just like I ask WHY IS THEIR NOT A BEASTEY TERMINAL ON OUR SHIP!
Gives me a job I suppose
@@EravinVT Well your doing a good job :)
The game wants you to figure it out. No hand hokding. Took me montha to figure out how to use the reload menu.
Part of it is probably the game design leaning to immersive gameplay and decisions/learning coming from experience more than min-maxing and number crunching. So they deliberately kept a lot of info abstract, so that players feel it out, kinda like how a solider IRL doesn't know all the exact mathematical details, just the general intent of his gear.
That said, certain areas of the info we get certainly could be improved, since the immersive design concept relies massively on things being intuitive and the info given not being misleading. Eg, stuff like the nuances of explosive resistance, or the "explosive" descriptors on certain guns and what that actually does.
@@UnknownSquid And thats fair. Still, until recently the armor really didn't feel any different besides the perk.
I've always been running the Light Gunner armor just cause I liked the simple paramilitary look to it. And to boot it has Max speed and stamina like Trailblazer, but with extra padding bringing it to 100 armor. It is literal perfection as far as I care.
for survivability on 50 armor that's the best option yeah
Eravin, quick question. According to the patch 01.000.300 - Armors with armor rating above 100 now also reduce damage on headshots. Does the "Extra Padding" perk not interact with this calculation? @5:26 The B-01 Tactical displayed has Extra Padding putting it at 150 Armor, but the headshot dmg is not decreased like the B-24 Enforcer. Can you explain this?
I think extra padding would apply to the B01 armour. He was referring to the general medium armour stat of 100. The B01 does reduce headshot damage as the rating is above 100.
@@speedyazi5029 If that's the case, okay, but that's not what was stated in the video. If B-01 and B-24 are both Medium and both above 100 Armor, why is the headshot dmg reduction that is shown different? It would make sense "if" Extra Padding does not interact with that calculation, which was what I was trying to confirm. The base armor of B-01 is 100, with Extra Padding adding 50 armor. So naturally, without the perk it would not go above 100, just like the other medium armors. In the case of B-24, it's actual base armor is 129 so it is already crossing that threshold without any perk. So I can only assume Extra Padding is not considered.
I just left it in as the base armor but the numbers rep any non padded 100 armor, sorry for the confusion. Padded works the same as having 150 armor if its 100+50. No difference in headshots between 100+50 and 150 base
@@EravinVT Just so I am completely clear, the statement in the patch notes - Armors with armor rating above 100 now also reduce damage on headshots: Does this mean armors AT OR ABOVE 100?
@@COA5T 101 and above
See, this is something that bugs me about the game; They outright lie to us about game mechanics.
You'd think a suit of armor that has four times the armor value of a different suit of armor would provide four times the protection. Nope. Barely provides twice the protection.
The game is fun to play, but there's no excusing the outright misinformation. Especially because there's really no need for it. The numbers are all made up anyway, so why even have them? Just stick to "light, medium, heavy."
At least then you're not outright lying to the players.
Yeah arbitrary numbers bother me
This is why i really wish they would just give us exactly what boosters do.
For the longest time due to so many videos saying so, i thought the vitality booster just gave you 20 extra HP.
But it being a 20% damage reduction is way more valuable especially for headshots.
Thanks for all you do!
ummmmm fashion diving with the red 400 SC fortified explosive resistance armor for the past xxx months or find some padding.... Is it possible that fashion diving could actually make you a better hell diver? Forcing you to get gud as your armor doesn't protect you as well.
fashion divers cuz how could it be any way different???
true
Tracks with my experience. I've played more bots than bugs for a while now and have gotten very comfortable in my big boy suits.
When my buddies take a vacation from the termite fields, they tend to bring their light armor with them and get absolutely shredded by even stray shots.
I'm sure that a degree of it is just experience and familiarity, but they themselves have balked at some of the absolute nonsense I have survived.
I've just accepted that if i get hit i will die, it makes surviving an attack feel better XD
me too lol
This breakdown is nice but how much damage do the bugs do? Like how many more hits can I take from a hunter when I'm wearing light vs marshmallow? Not counting headshots.
It's hard to find a good breakdown with that info. Percentages and numbers are good for contrast but it would be nice to know if all these percentage increases only boil down to bring able to survive 1.33 more hits (so effectively one more hit)
Cross reference with the helldivers.io/enemies sheet where the enemy damage is listed it’s in the description
Literally the thing i needed
:D
Your data backs up my observations. Using the B-24 Enforcer armor drastically improved my survivability vs. bots. But I struggled against spewers using the B-08 Light Gunner vs. bugs. Guess I'll run the Enforcer exclusively from now on since it's mathematically best in slot based on these findings. Democracy Protects is just too random for me.
Yep Democracy Protects is only the play vs specifically one shots against your head hitbox and that's even more random
Be neat if it could work like enemy armor but it would get complicated part to part. Im not sure how enemy armor works exactly byt it be neat to seethe armor bits matter compared to cloth parts or kevlar(might make certain armors of the same modifiers still feel diffrent but share the concept.)
I'm 100% marshmallow all the time so I'm going to run vitaility forever now. Ty
How does the 50% explosive resistance on med/heavy armor sets stack with the base resistance?
Fortified values on screen during their segments
@@EravinVT i see bro, my bad - I initially thought that was just the vitality perk. Great analysis!
Hey, fantastic video, that was a great breakdown! I just want to double check, so in that case the B-08 light gunner armor is effectively the same as something like CE-35 trench engineer when it comes to damage resistance? I was curious if there are any benefits that armor DR get by having the medium or heavy tag applied to them
How armor works: It doesn't.
But it does, look xD
@EravinVT it definitely works, but it feels like with heavier armor you can take more damage.......... and you absolutely do. I stick with light, so I can get away versus take it and I see you do too 😃
@@Degarth The best defense against damage is not getting hit in the first place.
Yes it does. Run the heavy armor with padding, the heavy armor with extra stims, and the light armor with extra grenades. There is a significant jump between light and heavy. Then heavy with extra padding.
I use significantly less stims while using heavier armor and die significantly less
Yea it doesn't work, sometimes cannon tower shoot you from 999999 kilometres practically shoot an ants from top of mountain and still hit
And sometimes rocket one shot you regardless of blast protection or heavy armor
Or that heavy devastator lined their 30 shoot with bullshit fallout 99% VATS and 0 recoil and instant death for you even with heavy padded armor
Even better, have you seen a pesky shit strider headshot you with their 3 laser beam back to back and all of it is a headshot, 0 recoil
What need to be fixed is that damn rocket devastator shoot 9 rocket in 3 seconds interval
How accurate are your %damage values? I am trying to understand them in releation to the armor rating value. Thus far, I presume that is a logarithmic function.
They are all the exact ingame values
So I was wrong and my buddy was right. It is better to have extra padding instead of explosive resistance if you want to survive Rocket Dev barrages. I'll never dunk on him for wearing the Marshmallow armor again. (This is a lie)
good lol
Double comment, coz I think it's worth throwing out there... Anyone else miffed that Helldiver armor is strictly damage reduction and there's no deflection mechanics like everything else has? Maybe if all that plating on heavy armor did something besides look cool, the question about mobility over durability would be an actual discussion and not something that Heavy Armor die-hards like me deal with out of personal comfort.
Yeah it be nice if our armor atleast had a bit of that functionality
From my experience, mobility is just not worth sacrificing for some extra survivability most of the time. Even in cases where armor saves me, I probably wouldn't be in that situation if I had extra mobility.
That's where i'm at with it
Whenever i play against bots I always become marshmallow man with vitality booster + shield pack. Im often the one bringing back my squad after we all got hit and im the only one who survived.
tank diver pride
I love the useless in game info. It's so realistic. If you get an AR-15 it has no damage rating. The way you learn what it can do is by using it.
tru lol
If everything in this videos is true, I think it's time to switch my go to Loadouts. Thanks
Great work 🎉🎉 on showing the math of everything
The Ministry of Truth knows no faults!
Hey, I dunno maybe you've already done some new testing and/or you have access to some data sheets etc, but I would like to ask you. What's best armor rn for overall survivability(if for some reason you decide to take damage): servo assisted, extra padding or fortified? Because from my d10 experience Its or you run medium+ fortified or you get oneshotted by rockets from striders, even wearing any other 150AR armor(or you run scout and you avoid those unfortunate confrontations).
Sometimes you can randomly die to a normal bot with an AR firing few shots in your general direction(assuming you're wearing light armor), or to a MG bot's small barrage of bullets, even in medium(100 AR).
Maybe its just me, but it feels like you take LESS damage from hitting any obstacle when you get launched into the air by explosions when you wear fortified? Plus it feels like you got launched not that far by explosion and not at mach 10 speed, if you wear fortified. Just want to know your opinion on this, if you have time.
damage received has been boosted 15-17.7% in most cases, the bots have also got 25% more damage on their lasers, and claws deal 25% more damage, it's glass divers 2 now, not getting shot is your only option
Wow 3:15 so That booster Increases your armor? Interesting.
I really hope the new team in arrowhead will make this stuff a lot more clearer. Because wow
Effectively it improves your damage resistance the same as armor does yeah
I love the enforcer armor. It feels like a really good spot for being tanky but not being quite as slow as the innate150s. Probably my favorite bot armor, big bonus it's got a fashionable Star Wars trooper look to it and fortified to deal with all the explosions.
One could argue it's statistically pretty peak
I wear nothing else for team dives
the mobility offered by light armor is simply better. don't have to mitigate damage if yo'ure not being hit. light gunner all the way!
Add the infinite grenades glitch to that and become god
Looks like extra padding vs robots, and explosive resist vs bugs because of the GD bile spewers. WHY they don't explain damage and perks better is beyond me... Great info here ty!
on the brightside it gives me a job :D Thanks for watching
the marshmellow man armor has 200 armor due to its passive, so it cannot have another passive such as fortified or democracy protects
it's just extra funny numbers
Can't bring myself to watch a video with an anime vtuber thing at the bottom