“Now it is your turn. To deal with the consequences of your achievement, and one day, when they’ve punished you enough, they’ll serve you salmon and potato salad. Makes speeches, give you a medal. They’ll pat you on the back, tell you all is forgiven. Just remember, it won’t be for you. It will be for them.”
@@SanjayKumar-yl8fcMy take is that it meant that giving Oppenheimer a medal, praise and receptions would allow the people who had treated him so badly to feel less guilty.
@@SanjayKumar-yl8fc I agree with John when the world finally understood him and realized he was the martyr in McCarthyism and they were ready to forgive him that forgiveness isn’t meant for oppie but people like us that have believed something entirely different or just opposed Oppenheimer bc he was in fact right the atomic bomb only lead to nuclear arms race and we are now living with that
@@SanjayKumar-yl8fc it means the scientist always end up as a pawn in the political arena. We see that today with climate scientist and especially with Dr. Fauci. Used his geniuses only to attack him as an enemy. Exactly what they did with Oppenheimer.
"Just remember, it won’t be for you. It will be for them." I think it resonates with many people because some of us were given this same treatment from friends and family and we just realized it
Remember this every time you see somebody get a "Man of the Year" award at a banquet. That's a person that would not come to your event without a reason.
E: "Ahh the man of the moment. You once had (maybe held?) a a reception for me in Berlin you gave me an award." O: "Yes" E: "You all thought that I had lost the ability to understand what I had started, so the award really wasn't for me it was for all of you hmm? Now its your turn to deal with consequences of your achievement, and one day when they punished you enough they'll serve you salmon and potato salad, make speeches, give you a medal, pat you on the back tell you all is forgiven. Just remember it wont be for you, it will be for them" O: "When I came to you with those calculations, we thought we might start a chain reaction that would destroy the entire world..." E: "I remember it well. What of it?" O: "I believe we did" Here is a better transcript of what was said since it is obvious this was done with AI but anyways there's a few things I did not include like the first part when he says I am frank you're happy I'm happy I believe that was from a cutaway of the past basically showing something he said to someone or someone said to him so I did not include it into the transcripts for that reason also according to the subtitles it says I'm sorry and then help me but I think that is due to the sound and music playing and YT just thinks it is someone talking. Also I edited a few things in retrospect because A it could be had or held both wouldn't be wrong B I put have before punished when it wasn't there and C I switched "wasn't really for me" to "really wasn't for me" as that was the phrasing he used. Final edit: I said Berlin because it was the city that made the most sense and so the best guess I can give is this is referring to the Planck Award given to him by Max Planck in 1929 in Berlin although again I do not know for sure he was saying Berlin it sounds like it but I can’t be sure however it would make sense.
Can someone explain the three scenes with einstein. I did not understand how they know each other earlier, robert downey jr was in the first scene where they talked, in the second scene oppenheimer met einstein to show him the calculations, and the last scene was the first one detailed?
The first and third scene is at the same time (after project ended, Oppenheimer joined AEC, if I'm not mistaken) The second scene is when the project still ongoing, Oppenheimer came to Einstein to ask for opinion I guess
@@hendrywong5382 but if you think about it strauss and oppenheimer are not good because of the bomb case, if the first and the third scene are after the project, how can strauss say that oppie and albert talked at the lake and oppie said something about me, that albert didnt even look at me. And if the first and last scene are the same that means that strauss and oppenheimer are good after the bomb case
@@EceeB2004 they're not good or bad actually Oppenheimer has his own concern after the project and Strauss is setting Oppenheimer up because of the isotopes case and Oppenheimer looked down to him in the first scene
The movie isn't chronological. Oppie met Einstein, along with many other physicists who would go on to work on the US, Russian & German sides of the nuclear race, during Oppie's academic shuffle between US & Europe. Later on he would host Einstein at Berkeley to present him with a scientific achievement award for Einstein's work which helped open the door for Oppenheimer's work on fission & fusion. This is like the first 30 minutes of the movie. The meeting at the pond was after Oppie had developed the atomic bomb, realized its terrible ramification from the aftermath of the Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombings, and was looking for where he could continue his new work -- mainly trying to get nations to not build an arms race to develop a larger and more powerful nuclear arsenal such as the H-bombs; work he thought he could do with Strauss (Downey Jr) at AEC. Just before his encounter with Einstein at the pond, Oppie was talking with Strauss about why Oppie didn't bring Einstein into the Los Alamos project to develop the atomic bomb. Oppie's response was that Einstein was a brilliant mind of "his time", but that Einstein's time had passed and Einstein couldn't grasp the work of what his original discovery 40 years earlier meant regarding nuclear power (electricity & destruction). Thus why Einstein's only involvement in the project was Oppie asking for his opinion on whether setting off a nuclear bomb might actually cause a fission chain reaction which would ignite the atmosphere and destroy the world. During the pond scene, Einstein calls his out on this. Einstein knew full well that the "award ceremony" Oppie threw Einstein years earlier was basically a way of celebrating themselves -- time for Old Einstein to move aside and let us geniuses progress the work he's too dumb to understand because Einstein thinks he's opened pandora's box. And Einstein warned Oppie that he was going to suffer the same fate later -- Oppie was trying to dissuade scientists from progressing the destructive powers of fission / fusion, but the scientific community would eventually cast him aside via a "celebration of his life's work" as a way of saying "step aside and let us continue the science you discovered but can no longer grasp". Strauss (Downey Jr), being not a real scientist with no formal training, suffered imposter syndrome. He thought Oppie had badmouthed him to Einstein at the pond meeting, setting up the Oppie-Strauss animosity that resulted in their mutual destruction (Oppie's removal from the science community after his security clearance being revoked, Strauss's removal from government after his failed appointment hearing), due in part to numerous slights Oppie had made at Strauss leading up to the pond scene (Oppie calling Strauss a lowly shoe salesman, rebuffing Strauss's offer to introduce him to Einstein by saying he already knew him for years, Oppie saying he'll "consider" taking the AEC appointment that Strauss was discussing with Oppie which was actually a position Strauss desperately wanted for himself but was 5th in line for selection by the committee compared to Oppie's 1st place) and Einstein ignoring Strauss at the pond. But nothing had been said about Strauss at the pond. Einstein ignored Strauss because he was just in a state of shock realizing Oppie was right; the nuclear bomb was going to destroy the world, not in the initial way they feared of the fission process causing a chain reaction that would ignite the atmosphere, but because it would start a chain reaction of every country developing a massive nuclear arsenal and blowing themselves up.
@@hendrywong5382 he asked him to examine the possibility that the bomb could spontaneously implode. And he had no clear answer, with the only way to move was forward, Robert proceeded with the Trinity Project.
“Now it is your turn. To deal with the consequences of your achievement, and one day, when they’ve punished you enough, they’ll serve you salmon and potato salad. Makes speeches, give you a medal. They’ll pat you on the back, tell you all is forgiven. Just remember, it won’t be for you. It will be for them.”
What does he mean by the last statement “It won’t be for you, it will be for them”?
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@@SanjayKumar-yl8fcMy take is that it meant that giving Oppenheimer a medal, praise and receptions would allow the people who had treated him so badly to feel less guilty.
@@SanjayKumar-yl8fc I agree with John when the world finally understood him and realized he was the martyr in McCarthyism and they were ready to forgive him that forgiveness isn’t meant for oppie but people like us that have believed something entirely different or just opposed Oppenheimer bc he was in fact right the atomic bomb only lead to nuclear arms race and we are now living with that
@@SanjayKumar-yl8fc it means the scientist always end up as a pawn in the political arena. We see that today with climate scientist and especially with Dr. Fauci. Used his geniuses only to attack him as an enemy. Exactly what they did with Oppenheimer.
"Just remember, it won’t be for you. It will be for them."
I think it resonates with many people because some of us were given this same treatment from friends and family and we just realized it
Remember this every time you see somebody get a "Man of the Year" award at a banquet.
That's a person that would not come to your event without a reason.
"I BELIEVE WE DID" *Einstein walks out* a lot is going on in this scene that left me blank stare for a while. A must watch film!
Strauss even said that he believed that robert had manipulated him to seeing his way, an instance being einsteins change of tone, after hearing that.
1:51 He says "I remember it well, what of it?"
E: "Ahh the man of the moment. You once had (maybe held?) a a reception for me in Berlin you gave me an award."
O: "Yes"
E: "You all thought that I had lost the ability to understand what I had started, so the award really wasn't for me it was for all of you hmm? Now its your turn to deal with consequences of your achievement, and one day when they punished you enough they'll serve you salmon and potato salad, make speeches, give you a medal, pat you on the back tell you all is forgiven. Just remember it wont be for you, it will be for them"
O: "When I came to you with those calculations, we thought we might start a chain reaction that would destroy the entire world..."
E: "I remember it well. What of it?"
O: "I believe we did"
Here is a better transcript of what was said since it is obvious this was done with AI but anyways there's a few things I did not include like the first part when he says I am frank you're happy I'm happy I believe that was from a cutaway of the past basically showing something he said to someone or someone said to him so I did not include it into the transcripts for that reason also according to the subtitles it says I'm sorry and then help me but I think that is due to the sound and music playing and YT just thinks it is someone talking.
Also I edited a few things in retrospect because A it could be had or held both wouldn't be wrong B I put have before punished when it wasn't there and C I switched "wasn't really for me" to "really wasn't for me" as that was the phrasing he used.
Final edit: I said Berlin because it was the city that made the most sense and so the best guess I can give is this is referring to the Planck Award given to him by Max Planck in 1929 in Berlin although again I do not know for sure he was saying Berlin it sounds like it but I can’t be sure however it would make sense.
I believe Einstein said: "You once held a a reception for me in Berkeley, you gave me an award" not Berlin.
Wut
The reception was at Berkeley university CA I believe. Oppenheimer worked there for a bit.
the reception was in berlin.
Its "I think we did" not "and blink again"
💀i saw the captions do that and now i cant unhear it
0:10 in Batman😂
in berlin.
Can someone explain the three scenes with einstein. I did not understand how they know each other earlier, robert downey jr was in the first scene where they talked, in the second scene oppenheimer met einstein to show him the calculations, and the last scene was the first one detailed?
The first and third scene is at the same time (after project ended, Oppenheimer joined AEC, if I'm not mistaken)
The second scene is when the project still ongoing, Oppenheimer came to Einstein to ask for opinion I guess
@@hendrywong5382 but if you think about it strauss and oppenheimer are not good because of the bomb case, if the first and the third scene are after the project, how can strauss say that oppie and albert talked at the lake and oppie said something about me, that albert didnt even look at me.
And if the first and last scene are the same that means that strauss and oppenheimer are good after the bomb case
@@EceeB2004 they're not good or bad actually
Oppenheimer has his own concern after the project and Strauss is setting Oppenheimer up because of the isotopes case and Oppenheimer looked down to him in the first scene
The movie isn't chronological.
Oppie met Einstein, along with many other physicists who would go on to work on the US, Russian & German sides of the nuclear race, during Oppie's academic shuffle between US & Europe. Later on he would host Einstein at Berkeley to present him with a scientific achievement award for Einstein's work which helped open the door for Oppenheimer's work on fission & fusion. This is like the first 30 minutes of the movie.
The meeting at the pond was after Oppie had developed the atomic bomb, realized its terrible ramification from the aftermath of the Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombings, and was looking for where he could continue his new work -- mainly trying to get nations to not build an arms race to develop a larger and more powerful nuclear arsenal such as the H-bombs; work he thought he could do with Strauss (Downey Jr) at AEC.
Just before his encounter with Einstein at the pond, Oppie was talking with Strauss about why Oppie didn't bring Einstein into the Los Alamos project to develop the atomic bomb. Oppie's response was that Einstein was a brilliant mind of "his time", but that Einstein's time had passed and Einstein couldn't grasp the work of what his original discovery 40 years earlier meant regarding nuclear power (electricity & destruction). Thus why Einstein's only involvement in the project was Oppie asking for his opinion on whether setting off a nuclear bomb might actually cause a fission chain reaction which would ignite the atmosphere and destroy the world.
During the pond scene, Einstein calls his out on this. Einstein knew full well that the "award ceremony" Oppie threw Einstein years earlier was basically a way of celebrating themselves -- time for Old Einstein to move aside and let us geniuses progress the work he's too dumb to understand because Einstein thinks he's opened pandora's box. And Einstein warned Oppie that he was going to suffer the same fate later -- Oppie was trying to dissuade scientists from progressing the destructive powers of fission / fusion, but the scientific community would eventually cast him aside via a "celebration of his life's work" as a way of saying "step aside and let us continue the science you discovered but can no longer grasp".
Strauss (Downey Jr), being not a real scientist with no formal training, suffered imposter syndrome. He thought Oppie had badmouthed him to Einstein at the pond meeting, setting up the Oppie-Strauss animosity that resulted in their mutual destruction (Oppie's removal from the science community after his security clearance being revoked, Strauss's removal from government after his failed appointment hearing), due in part to numerous slights Oppie had made at Strauss leading up to the pond scene (Oppie calling Strauss a lowly shoe salesman, rebuffing Strauss's offer to introduce him to Einstein by saying he already knew him for years, Oppie saying he'll "consider" taking the AEC appointment that Strauss was discussing with Oppie which was actually a position Strauss desperately wanted for himself but was 5th in line for selection by the committee compared to Oppie's 1st place) and Einstein ignoring Strauss at the pond. But nothing had been said about Strauss at the pond. Einstein ignored Strauss because he was just in a state of shock realizing Oppie was right; the nuclear bomb was going to destroy the world, not in the initial way they feared of the fission process causing a chain reaction that would ignite the atmosphere, but because it would start a chain reaction of every country developing a massive nuclear arsenal and blowing themselves up.
@@hendrywong5382 he asked him to examine the possibility that the bomb could spontaneously implode. And he had no clear answer, with the only way to move was forward, Robert proceeded with the Trinity Project.