Some good and useful testing, thank you. Revisiting this video after a few months, it seems no one has yet pointed out that Spider Man is memory bandwidth bottlenecked in a big way when ray tracing, so a part of the 12400 and 7700X fps difference in this game is due to DDR5. HUB did this memory testing in a video titled 'I Bought The Cheapest DDR5 Memory' under the Spiderman chapter. At 1080p with a 3090 Ti and 12600K with ray tracing on, the fps jumped from 90 on a DDR4 3200 CL14 system to 113 on a DDR5 6400 CL32, a 25% jump in fps on the same CPU.
Thanks for going out and doing the research on that! Actually makes a lot of sense now, pinned the comment so others can see in case they want to try and upgrade to ddr5 in a 12400f build.
@@LegitCamelRetro Thanks for pinning! Interestingly, I watched your video again yesterday after watching Buildzoid's latest video where he proposes that Starfield may be a memory bandwidth sensitive game too.
@@LegitCamelRetro I have a i5 12400 and a RTX4080. PLay mostly at 4k. But in some games, especialy at 1440p, I see big bottleneck. In the past, when I wanted to increase the fps I would lower the resolution, now lowering the resolution has almost no effect on increasing fps. I'm planning to move to the 7800x3d. The 1% lows should also improve.
I'm guessing VRAM bandwidth will also be included in that... if that's the case, newer gen cards may actually be worse in some cases compared to previous gen cards.
@@Stance1988 i do have the 5600, but i think the 12400f is faster and better but also overpriced and requires a good mobo, Some paired it with H610 boards but i think thats just stupid.
@@LegitCamelRetro Yes. Spiderman with raytracing is one of the few instances where DDR5 clearly beat DDR4 because of the bandwidth difference. HUB did a DDR4 vs 5 video showing it as well as Framechasers.
I was aiming for 6800xt but everyone was like it's gonna be bottlenecked by my CPU so I was concerned but this vid really helped me make up my mind. Awesome video!
This has to be by far the most informative and well put together video I have ever seen on any tech channel. You should be proud of this one. I have no clue how many hours you needed for this BUT are you able to do more like this with older and more budget CPUs. I have a 11600k and would like to see if it's worthwhile me upgrading for my Rx 6800 at ultra wide
Good content, definitely something that needs to be shown. Lots of suggestions for higher end processors I have seen are beyond what most people need unless they are also rocking a +700$ graphics card. I have a 7700x and a 6700xt in my current rig and I had a 6900xt XTXH before this and even with that it was super rare to have anything be CPU bottlenecked. No reason to spend like crazy on a CPU unless you're also gonna throw down on a GPU too.
Whenever I build a new PC I plan on keeping it for a minimum of 4 years. Without anything breaking I might upgrade the RAM or the GPU over time. Maybe add another storage drive. The 12400F is only a year and a half old. I would think it could handle games till at least 2025. Ofc a lot does depend on the games that you play. Personally I mostly play ARPGs, so it's relatively easy to keep my games pegged at 144 fps on a 1440p ultrawide and I don't use ray tracing. Cool video! Nice seeing a DDR4 system side by side with a DDR5 one. Not to mention all the GPUs!
The i5 12400F will probably able to handle games even in 2030. Cyberpunk 2077 for recommended settings are literally Intel Core i7-4790 or AMD Ryzen 3 3200G
I watched your 5600 bottleneck video, which was well done and informative and literally last night was googling this topic because I couldn't find one on your page.
Thanks! This one took a bit longer because I really wanted to fix some of the issues a few viewers had with the last video and I think the extra effort was worth it, im happy with how this one turned out.
Currently dealing with a decent cpu bottleneck with my backup 2600x for my 1080ti and am getting worse performance than I should on most games, getting that pc as an upgrade would be very nice ;) Thanks for the video.
Built my pc almost a year ago with a 12400 non f and 6600xt and just upgraded to 6800 I thought it was bottlenecking it but I guess not! After watching this don’t really need a super powerful cpu if you’re just gaming or have top of the line gpu thanks so much for the video, other people will say you would need at least I7 or Ryzen 7
@@tr4nnel752 depends on the game also, other games it has a high usage percentage. Not too much to upgrade cpu maybe if prices drop for a 12600 or 13600k or microcenter has a great deal for 12700k but other than that good for a couple years and by then just gonna be a whole new pc build
Awesome video. Definitely something people overlook when putting together gaming rigs! Also awesome you're able to do a PC giveaway! Definitely something I hope to be able to do some day!
I do not think the worse raytracing performance matters too much for the 12400f but someone else might disagree, you'd be pairing this with a GPU that you probably wouldn't be turning on RT due to the fps hit anyway. Either way though, it's good to see this CPU can hold up pretty much until you get over 1000$ on the GPU. Pretty good option for most PC builds considering the price. One thing I noticed with the benchmarks is the CPU temperatures seemed to be all over the place though, same games but with different cards and resolutions and sometimes one CPU would be up to around 20c hotter than the other, and it was this way for both of them. Of course both never really went over 70c so it's not a concern, just more of an observation that there is something going on here that makes them run at different temperatures seemingly randomly. 10:30 is a pretty big one along with 12:15. 15:50. 17:30.
Yeah I totally agree, the 12400 is a pretty fantastic deal. Not sure what was going on with the CPU temps though to be honest, the 7700x had a 240mm aio, and the 12400 was using an ak400 so i find that pretty strange too.
Thank you for this video. Seems there is something about Nvidia based ray tracing implementation on some games that causes cpu bottlenecks. I think you will see the same on calisto protocol from another video I watched.
Cyberpunk is currently using a lot of CPU, even the highest-end gaming CPUs will see usage above 80%, so you don't need to worry too much about that although I have also seen some places in the game where the fps drops due to knot of 12400F but just set the NPC density to medium and everything will be fine
First of all thank you for all your effort to bring this kind of video. Right now my combo is han 12400F, B660 MSI mortar ddr4 motherboard and a 1660 super GPU with 850W PSU. My only needs on the PC are gaming, watching RUclips and Netflix that's all, I'm not doing any kind of productivity. My goal is to play on Ultra settings on 1440p with 100 to 144 FPS around on AAA games, I'm not playing any competitive multiplayer game so I don't need a lot of FPS, but above 100 frames I think the gameplay will be very fluid. At first I was looking to buy a 4070ti, but nowdays some games are demanding more Vram to play at max like Hogwarts Legacy or Re4 remake, so because of that I begin to look at the red team, especially on the 7900XTX. The thing is if I pick a Radeon GPU I wanna get a Ryzen CPU too and go full AMD (For the Smart Access Memory and I guess both are more compatible? Maybe I'm crazy) but I'm not sure what to pick between the 5800X3D for the extra caché or the 7700X for the extra clock speed, faster ddr5 RAM and better arquitecture. Between those CPU's, which combo you think will be better performance on 1440p at Ultra? I know there's a lot of Benchmarks here and there but I'm interested in your own opinion. If 7900XTX is overkill for 1440p I can get a 7900xt instead, I like the Sapphire Nitro brand. If Ryzen 7000 are better than the 5800x3D just for gaming I don't mind to pay a little more and jump into AM5, bebidas I'm not sure if the 5800X3D will bottlenecked those GPU's at 1440p. Thank you!
If it were me, for those high frame rates you want to reach the 7900xtx at 1440p is going to be better as i have noticed games are taking up a lot more juice lately. Also I would get the 7700x, make sure you get 6000 mhz cl30 memory though as with my girlfriends 7700x build I had issues when the timings were more loose which is annoying. But comparing it to the 5800x3d, if you are already going big on the gpu, it is just much better to be on a newer platform with ddr5 memory, they also said they would continue on the am5 platform for a while so you will have cpu upgrade options in the future. The 7700x for me has been a fantastic cpu and in almost every instance it out performs the 5800x3d except in those few games where it really likes the extra cache. You could also wait a month for the 7800x3d to launch.
I had 12400f with 3060ti. But I updated to 4080 super and changed it to 12600kf. It was a good choice. I think 12600kf will be enough for 5-6 years in 4K
the issue with the 12400f is the cache more than anything else, if you tune the RAM you will get much more performance, the actual main gain from a 12900k is the huge cache the 7600x3d is a 6 core cpu and faster than 14900k (that has 24 cores and runs at much higher clock) in gaming also, as already pointed out, Raytracing and some games are more BANDWITH limited that's why your 12400f with ddr4 struggled
I have multiple stutters and drops with this CPU. With this same monster GPU, it's a great CPU for older/not-intensive games/rendering since these problems seem to happen with games that are very CPU heavy and not optimized well.
Thanks ALOT! glad i went with a 12600k for 3060ti now as its easier and better to just get a 4k monitor and upgrade gpu, although i was planning on going form 1080p to 1440p, so im still not sure, i almost want a r5 7600
I have one question. Did you use 6000 MHz on DDR5 or 4800 MHz? Im asking about that because I am looking for compatible RAM. 6000 MHz work well with 12400f? No crashes or instability of the computer? Did you use XMP? -------------------- The 12400f has a nice reasonable price of $115. For that the 12500 which is practically no different costs already $220. It is even more expensive than the 12600k! In my country in EU of course.
I agree , i paired i5 12400f ddr5 5600mhz with rtx 3080ti . These test inly meant for knowing bottleneck effect on a strong gpu , getting 100 fps vs 140 fps in 1440p AAA games doesn't seem that bad for me , as long as it doesn't drop to 60 . 😂
very interesting video, the performance dips with the 12400f and raytracing and 1440p were very interesting, and here i thought replacing my 12400f for a 13600k was a bit too overkill at 1440p
Thanks!! Yeah I felt the same, some of the results were pretty strange, 13600k is a fantastic CPU, could be worth the upgrade depending on what you play.
Can someone, please, explain why the CPU works better at higher resolutions? I know the work goes for the GPU, but why exactly at lower resolutions the CPU has worse performance, if the GPU is very good, for example?
The higher the resolution the more load is put on the GPU and less on the CPU. That removes load from the CPU and it can utilize the GPU better. When the resolution is lower and the GPU is too powerful it creates a CPU bottleneck because the fps becomes higher and the CPU can't provide the information needed for the GPU fast enough.
What most influence the 0.1%, 1% FPS's lows and the Feametime on a GPU??? The CPU cache? CPU max freq? Singlecore performance? RAM freq? Motherboard voltage/VRMs? (I'm already assuming that the PC case has a good decent airflow to cool down the case anshardware. And CPU has a good cooler, and cooling is not a problem)
This is such a complicated topic but I would say memory latency, bandwidth, and cpu cache have the biggest impact on percentile in games today. It completely depends on the game though. There’s just too many variables to give a concrete answer.
Bottleneck to me is when a card can't hit 60 using high settings 1440-4k in no game or most games using strong gpus, so 1080 gtx/4060-70/3060-90/4070-4070ti
I5 12600kf. About every idk couple of seconds I get frame drops from let’s say 80 down to 35 and a stutter. Then pops back up. Pole seconds later, same. 80 to 53 fps. Told it’s a bottleneck with my 3080. But my i510400f runs good. Idk. Now what lol
I have multiple stutters and drops with this CPU. With this same monster GPU, it's a great CPU for older/not-intensive games/rendering since these problems seem to happen with games that are very CPU heavy and not optimized well. This is with a 12400 and a 4070TI, whereas using the same chip with a 3080 weaker GPU, the GPU doesn't have those problems as bad, which tells me the Ti needs a stronger CPU, hence I have a bottleneck.
bro the 7900xtx not Ray tracing in 4K MEDIUM with these Cpu's got me like "Fuuuu tht shii" the 12400 running 4k ultra with over 60 on XtX got me convinced im not making a bad decision getting it with ddr4 nd micro Atx, you already know its 3200 16GB too so these results are awesome, with only Card Upgrades really needed, and since im running a 1050 with eyes for a 6700xt i think ill be just fine
Hi, I'm still considering which GPU should I upgrade from 3060 ti, I'm using 12400f rn and more focus on 1440p gaming, idk which gpu should i choose which is 3080, 6800xt or 7800xt
The max my 12400 can handle is 3080. Anything stronger than that gpu and drops and stuttering happens, I know, because I have a 4070ti and the CPU works way smoother with the 3080,4070ti is a less vram/cooler/better dlss version of 3090,which is why I bought this monster cpu 12700 couple days ago for 200 used I bought 12400 2 years ago
@@LegitCamelRetro Yeah but why on earth those 4070Ti's dont have 16GB VRAM :( . Gonna check The Last Of Us on my 3070 and i'm gonna see how it will perform. Maybe i should stay longer with my 3070 and wait for some price drops for 4070Ti
Interesting video. I always though 12400f will be bottleneck with a 3070ti or higher. After watching this video. Probably 4070 is a perfect combo for 1440p.
The max my 12400 can handle is 3080. Anything stronger than that gpu and drops and stuttering happens, I know, because I have a 4070ti and the CPU works way smoother with the 3080.
My friend used to go with 12400f and GTX 1650 his work is moderate editing and trading should I recommend him this combo or not ?🤔 Or will it bottle neck ?
@DEMON_EGOISThere Assuming 6750 "xt" (as amd doesn't use ti moniker). Though 13400f will be a better choice, You can go ahead with 12400f, it's pretty balanced combo. I'm running RX 6700 non xt with an i3 12100f and very few games bottleneck sometimes.
I have multiple stutters and drops with this CPU. With this same monster GPU, it's a great CPU for older/not-intensive games/rendering since these problems seem to happen with games that are very CPU heavy and not optimized well. This is with a 12400 and a 4070TI, whereas using the same chip with a 3080 weaker GPU, the GPU doesn't have those problems as bad, which tells me the Ti needs a stronger CPU, hence I have a bottleneck.
Hi, do the I5 12400f and 6800XT a great fit for 2k gaming. I think the CPU will bottleneck the Gpu, but what do I know, please reply. Thank you for this video
thanks for reply, I’m thinking about h610 i5 12400f and 6700Xt. Will this be enough for 2k gaming? I’m not sure what mainboard should I go also, is b760 a good fit(50$ more expensive than the h610)
@@nhato4644 I would not get a h610 board unless I was doing an extremely cheap i3 build. B760 is good but this b660 from gigabyte is perfect for a mid range build at a cheap price. www.amazon.com/B660M-DS3H-AX-DDR4-Motherboard/dp/B083NMK4BB/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1BXS7A8DM4WYD&keywords=b660&qid=1681149698&sprefix=b660%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-5&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18ed3cb5-28d5-4975-8bc7-93deae8f9840&th=1
So why even spend more than 200 bucks on a CPU when it can utilize the vast majority of high end GPUs? Like Anything 4070 ti or 6950 xt under or equivalent to..
Do you still think the 12400f and 6800XT are a good pairing? I feel like being CPU bottlenecked in Warzone is a bit worse than being GPU bottlenecked there, thinking of upgrade the 12400.
That's exactly the build I'm looking into. I think it's gonna hold up on 1440p. It would be awesome if someone who has this pair told us their experience
@@xaliven4365 Not 100% sure what you are asking, but i recently just upgraded to a 13600k and the difference is actually quite noticeable. The 1% lows are just way better (it's like at least 40 FPS extra at 1% low)
@@xaliven4365 Yes, i genuinely feel that way. I. mainly play MW2, Warzone and Rocket League. I played Rocket League on 360 FPS but it would occasionally dip quite badly resulting in some stutter, now that is gone. Warzone has become noticeably smoother now with always 140FPS vs dips below 100. MW2 is now steady 200+ FPS (the 6800xt is the clear bottleneck now and I even undervolted the 13600K with 100 mV) I feel like I am quite sensitive to the FPS dips and didn't expect it to make this much of a difference, no regrets. (I am on DDR4 btw).
You ourchase 12400F+ 7900XTX where 12400F serves as quite competent place holder. When able you get 14600K or 14700K. 14700K is I believe stronger than 7700X. Could be wrong I guess. Perhsps even 14600K is. 13700K also fantastic CPU.
Hello sir, could you please tell me how to know that a CPU is bottlenecked in AAA games ? Sorry if you said that in your video, but Im not good at English. Thanks
I have an i5 12400 with an rtx 3070 im getting 120 fps in fortnite with performance mode and 120 to 200 in valorant and it uses 20 percent of my gpu and its always 50 percent for cpu i cant fix it i did whatever i can but this kind of a bottleneck is impossible with this cpu can somebody help me
Hey pls help me I got the i5 12400f and 3070ti and i saw bottlenecking in 1080p resolution like cyberpunk. Should i downgrade the gpu to 3070 or 3060ti and refund it?(i bought that gpu used and it still have test Time and i can refund it) Or it's better to get new monitor with higher resolution? (Sorry for my bad English)
As a newbie in building a PC, does it makes senses to make a new built with a motherboard that support DDR5 and use maybe 32GB with the 12400f? ( would be more future proof) plan on using either a 6700xt or 6800xt at 1440p
Right now, honestly kind of does if you plan on upgrading in a few years, sounds like they will be using socket lga1700 for 14th gen still so you would be able to upgrade to that later.
Is rtx4070 super and i5 12400f good combo ? I am already have it ? In future i will upgrade to i7 13700f ,but the combo i5 12400f and rtx 4070 super for 1440p ,is it ok combo for five or six years?
Hi i have the i5 12400f cpu with gtx1065 gpu and a cooler master white mwe 550w psu . I am wanting to upgrade to a rtx4060 gpu will my psu be able to handle it.
Do you think it's worth getting the 12400f instead of the Ryzen 5600 for 30 dollars more since you did this test on both of them? I'd like to make the PC as future resistant as possible (at least 4-5 years). I plan on getting either the 12400f or 5600 with a 6800/6700XT, and when it comes time to upgrade, I'd just upgrade the GPU to a newer one while keeping the CPU the same for some time. From the tests it seems that the 12400f gets higher frames than the 5600 when paired with the 7900XTX, so in the future the 12400f might be better when paired with an upgraded GPU than the 5600 as well, no?
So, this question has a lot of answers depending on your budget and preferences. Myself and a lot of other RUclipsrs would say paying extra for future proofing is not worth it. I will say that the 12400f can be paired with ddr5 memory where the 5600 cant be, which would help with future proofing the build, but it will cost extra. I am gonna be honest, at the end of the day both cpus perform almost exactly the same, if it were me I would just get the standard ddr4 3600 cl16 memory and get the 5600 because its cheaper, the motherboard prices are also cheaper than the intel options right now. The 7900xtx is bottlenecked by both of these cpus, they will be a bottleneck for whatever fancy cards come out in 4-5 years too, it is hard to plan out that far, after that much time you will probably be forced to upgrade your entire platform no matter what. I think about the CPUs and GPUs that came out 5 years ago and they are just dwarfed by whats out right now, its the way things go. I would get the 5600 with a 6800 and be happy with the build, it will run fantastic for many years and once it starts to struggle just upgrade your entire platform. Dont worry about the future, every few months something new and shiny comes and makes you feel left behind, even though what you have is still great, you will know when its time to upgrade.
12400f with 6700XT - I felt bottleneck in lords of fallen game (unreal engine 5)- with CPU going close to 100 while GPU still maintaining 70-80%. I don't know if it's due to UE5 or games poor optimization. I am considering updating my CPU to 12600K or 14thGen. I don't have much of resale value around my region. This will waste CPU. Should I buy a monitor and play at 1440P or Any suggestions on this?
I have 12400f @ 5ghz, and i cannot get my rx 7700 xt to 100% usage. It sticks around 95%. So i think that my cpu is bottleneck (game is battlefield 2042)
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Some good and useful testing, thank you. Revisiting this video after a few months, it seems no one has yet pointed out that Spider Man is memory bandwidth bottlenecked in a big way when ray tracing, so a part of the 12400 and 7700X fps difference in this game is due to DDR5.
HUB did this memory testing in a video titled 'I Bought The Cheapest DDR5 Memory' under the Spiderman chapter. At 1080p with a 3090 Ti and 12600K with ray tracing on, the fps jumped from 90 on a DDR4 3200 CL14 system to 113 on a DDR5 6400 CL32, a 25% jump in fps on the same CPU.
Thanks for going out and doing the research on that! Actually makes a lot of sense now, pinned the comment so others can see in case they want to try and upgrade to ddr5 in a 12400f build.
@@LegitCamelRetro Thanks for pinning! Interestingly, I watched your video again yesterday after watching Buildzoid's latest video where he proposes that Starfield may be a memory bandwidth sensitive game too.
@@LegitCamelRetro I have a i5 12400 and a RTX4080. PLay mostly at 4k. But in some games, especialy at 1440p, I see big bottleneck. In the past, when I wanted to increase the fps I would lower the resolution, now lowering the resolution has almost no effect on increasing fps.
I'm planning to move to the 7800x3d. The 1% lows should also improve.
I'm guessing VRAM bandwidth will also be included in that... if that's the case, newer gen cards may actually be worse in some cases compared to previous gen cards.
The i5 12400 is so underrated its crazy. And hopefully i win this pc mine broke during the buffalo storm a few months ago keep up the great content
Thanks I really appreciate it! I hope you end up getting it too, sorry your old one ended up getting destroyed :(
its not underrated.. the 5600/5600x is the same price and they can oc on a cheaper mobo. 12400f didnt catch any steam cause amd cooks it.
@@Stance1988it is underrated. but not compared to a amd cpu
@@Stance1988In my country, the intel with motherboard actually comes cheaper than the amd combination
@@Stance1988 i do have the 5600, but i think the 12400f is faster and better but also overpriced and requires a good mobo, Some paired it with H610 boards but i think thats just stupid.
I really appreciate this video. Turns out I dont need to upgrade my cpu. You saved me about 500-800 bucks. thanks again.
The poor raytracing results in spiderman is because of the slower ddr4. Spiderman likes lots of bandwidth when raytracing.
Ay thanks for the clarification! So the RAM causes the GPU bottleneck?
@@LegitCamelRetro Yes. Spiderman with raytracing is one of the few instances where DDR5 clearly beat DDR4 because of the bandwidth difference. HUB did a DDR4 vs 5 video showing it as well as Framechasers.
Or just don’t use that trash 😂 Nvidia trash
@@MrCougar1825someone's mad their 750 ti can't ray trace 🤫
Spiderman loves bandwith, and so does raytracing. Another game super bandwith limited was starfield (but that game was not worth playn)
I was aiming for 6800xt but everyone was like it's gonna be bottlenecked by my CPU so I was concerned but this vid really helped me make up my mind. Awesome video!
is the 6800xt good with 12400f ???
@@sajeendransajeendran4740 It is. If you play on 1440p or 4k you won't have bottlenecks.
@@DevilDiablo Same Cpu, playing with rx6950xt on 2k, i dont feel any problem
@@Kadaj997 Yeah 12400 is GOATED XD
This has to be by far the most informative and well put together video I have ever seen on any tech channel. You should be proud of this one. I have no clue how many hours you needed for this BUT are you able to do more like this with older and more budget CPUs. I have a 11600k and would like to see if it's worthwhile me upgrading for my Rx 6800 at ultra wide
Good content, definitely something that needs to be shown. Lots of suggestions for higher end processors I have seen are beyond what most people need unless they are also rocking a +700$ graphics card. I have a 7700x and a 6700xt in my current rig and I had a 6900xt XTXH before this and even with that it was super rare to have anything be CPU bottlenecked.
No reason to spend like crazy on a CPU unless you're also gonna throw down on a GPU too.
Totally agree, thanks for the kind words!
> 6900xt XTXH
boy is that a lot of X's, if only it was an XFX card too.
@@mgk-metalgearkelly5054 XFX RX 7900XTX. Need do a porn vid some time
Whenever I build a new PC I plan on keeping it for a minimum of 4 years. Without anything breaking I might upgrade the RAM or the GPU over time. Maybe add another storage drive. The 12400F is only a year and a half old. I would think it could handle games till at least 2025. Ofc a lot does depend on the games that you play. Personally I mostly play ARPGs, so it's relatively easy to keep my games pegged at 144 fps on a 1440p ultrawide and I don't use ray tracing.
Cool video! Nice seeing a DDR4 system side by side with a DDR5 one. Not to mention all the GPUs!
Thanks man! Yeah I agree with you even though the 12400f was bottlenecking with the best gpus out there it was still pushing a crazy high frame rate.
The i5 12400F will probably able to handle games even in 2030. Cyberpunk 2077 for recommended settings are literally Intel Core i7-4790 or AMD Ryzen 3 3200G
@@Pharo02 Those recommended setting are BS unless you're fine with 40-50 FPS on the lowest settings
@@rustez14 No, the i7-4790 is even recommended at Ultra Settings
I watched your 5600 bottleneck video, which was well done and informative and literally last night was googling this topic because I couldn't find one on your page.
Thanks! This one took a bit longer because I really wanted to fix some of the issues a few viewers had with the last video and I think the extra effort was worth it, im happy with how this one turned out.
@@LegitCamelRetro we appreciate the time and effort!
Very good comparisons and advice ! I'll be looking to upgrade my gpu soon to get off the 3050!
Currently dealing with a decent cpu bottleneck with my backup 2600x for my 1080ti and am getting worse performance than I should on most games, getting that pc as an upgrade would be very nice ;) Thanks for the video.
Built my pc almost a year ago with a 12400 non f and 6600xt and just upgraded to 6800 I thought it was bottlenecking it but I guess not! After watching this don’t really need a super powerful cpu if you’re just gaming or have top of the line gpu thanks so much for the video, other people will say you would need at least I7 or Ryzen 7
There is a little bottleneck! 😂
@@coolbreeze7132 I also experience a bottleneck in Warzone, in MW2 the 12400f is fine. (12400f with 6800XT)
@@tr4nnel752 depends on the game also, other games it has a high usage percentage. Not too much to upgrade cpu maybe if prices drop for a 12600 or 13600k or microcenter has a great deal for 12700k but other than that good for a couple years and by then just gonna be a whole new pc build
Awesome video. Definitely something people overlook when putting together gaming rigs! Also awesome you're able to do a PC giveaway! Definitely something I hope to be able to do some day!
Thanks man I really appreciate it!
@@LegitCamelRetro Bro is i5 12400f and rtx 4060 a good combo?
Thanks for the information! I'm trying to build myself a gaming PC and this video helped me on my decision.
What did you decide to take?
I do not think the worse raytracing performance matters too much for the 12400f but someone else might disagree, you'd be pairing this with a GPU that you probably wouldn't be turning on RT due to the fps hit anyway. Either way though, it's good to see this CPU can hold up pretty much until you get over 1000$ on the GPU. Pretty good option for most PC builds considering the price.
One thing I noticed with the benchmarks is the CPU temperatures seemed to be all over the place though, same games but with different cards and resolutions and sometimes one CPU would be up to around 20c hotter than the other, and it was this way for both of them. Of course both never really went over 70c so it's not a concern, just more of an observation that there is something going on here that makes them run at different temperatures seemingly randomly. 10:30 is a pretty big one along with 12:15. 15:50. 17:30.
Yeah I totally agree, the 12400 is a pretty fantastic deal. Not sure what was going on with the CPU temps though to be honest, the 7700x had a 240mm aio, and the 12400 was using an ak400 so i find that pretty strange too.
Thank you for this video. Seems there is something about Nvidia based ray tracing implementation on some games that causes cpu bottlenecks. I think you will see the same on calisto protocol from another video I watched.
interesting, I might look into that more. Thanks for letting me know and I really appreciate the kind words!
All i noticed is my 12400f cpu fan is on max after the cyberpunk update but it runs it with a 3070 like a dream .
Cyberpunk is currently using a lot of CPU, even the highest-end gaming CPUs will see usage above 80%, so you don't need to worry too much about that although I have also seen some places in the game where the fps drops due to knot of 12400F but just set the NPC density to medium and everything will be fine
First of all thank you for all your effort to bring this kind of video.
Right now my combo is han 12400F, B660 MSI mortar ddr4 motherboard and a 1660 super GPU with 850W PSU. My only needs on the PC are gaming, watching RUclips and Netflix that's all, I'm not doing any kind of productivity.
My goal is to play on Ultra settings on 1440p with 100 to 144 FPS around on AAA games, I'm not playing any competitive multiplayer game so I don't need a lot of FPS, but above 100 frames I think the gameplay will be very fluid. At first I was looking to buy a 4070ti, but nowdays some games are demanding more Vram to play at max like Hogwarts Legacy or Re4 remake, so because of that I begin to look at the red team, especially on the 7900XTX.
The thing is if I pick a Radeon GPU I wanna get a Ryzen CPU too and go full AMD (For the Smart Access Memory and I guess both are more compatible? Maybe I'm crazy) but I'm not sure what to pick between the 5800X3D for the extra caché or the 7700X for the extra clock speed, faster ddr5 RAM and better arquitecture. Between those CPU's, which combo you think will be better performance on 1440p at Ultra? I know there's a lot of Benchmarks here and there but I'm interested in your own opinion. If 7900XTX is overkill for 1440p I can get a 7900xt instead, I like the Sapphire Nitro brand. If Ryzen 7000 are better than the 5800x3D just for gaming I don't mind to pay a little more and jump into AM5, bebidas I'm not sure if the 5800X3D will bottlenecked those GPU's at 1440p.
Thank you!
If it were me, for those high frame rates you want to reach the 7900xtx at 1440p is going to be better as i have noticed games are taking up a lot more juice lately.
Also I would get the 7700x, make sure you get 6000 mhz cl30 memory though as with my girlfriends 7700x build I had issues when the timings were more loose which is annoying.
But comparing it to the 5800x3d, if you are already going big on the gpu, it is just much better to be on a newer platform with ddr5 memory, they also said they would continue on the am5 platform for a while so you will have cpu upgrade options in the future.
The 7700x for me has been a fantastic cpu and in almost every instance it out performs the 5800x3d except in those few games where it really likes the extra cache. You could also wait a month for the 7800x3d to launch.
I had 12400f with 3060ti. But I updated to 4080 super and changed it to 12600kf. It was a good choice. I think 12600kf will be enough for 5-6 years in 4K
Got any motherboard recommendations for that setup?
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the issue with the 12400f is the cache more than anything else, if you tune the RAM you will get much more performance, the actual main gain from a 12900k is the huge cache
the 7600x3d is a 6 core cpu and faster than 14900k (that has 24 cores and runs at much higher clock) in gaming
also, as already pointed out, Raytracing and some games are more BANDWITH limited that's why your 12400f with ddr4 struggled
I’m thinking of making a 12400 build anyways so this video is just all around helpful
Thank you!
I just found your channel bro, love the info in the video!
Thanks I really appreciate it!
I have multiple stutters and drops with this CPU. With this same monster GPU, it's a great CPU for older/not-intensive games/rendering since these problems seem to happen with games that are very CPU heavy and not optimized well.
Thanks ALOT! glad i went with a 12600k for 3060ti now as its easier and better to just get a 4k monitor and upgrade gpu, although i was planning on going form 1080p to 1440p, so im still not sure, i almost want a r5 7600
Really helped, thank you so much Bro. Great Efforts.
I have one question. Did you use 6000 MHz on DDR5 or 4800 MHz? Im asking about that because I am looking for compatible RAM. 6000 MHz work well with 12400f? No crashes or instability of the computer? Did you use XMP?
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The 12400f has a nice reasonable price of $115. For that the 12500 which is practically no different costs already $220. It is even more expensive than the 12600k! In my country in EU of course.
The max 12400 can handle is 3200 I just upgraded to that ram 2 days ago from 2133
@@cmoneythemanfor ddr4 yeah, but for ddr5 it can handle up to 4800
@@omar6510 i seen dr5 go up to 6k
Nice bro keep going You earned a Sub!
also, as i expected, the 6800xt performs better than the 4070ti when CPU limited because of nvidia driver overhead
I recently upgraded 12400 ddr4 rig to 4070s and they run great 1440p and not noticed any bottlenecks in the games I play.
I agree , i paired i5 12400f ddr5 5600mhz with rtx 3080ti . These test inly meant for knowing bottleneck effect on a strong gpu , getting 100 fps vs 140 fps in 1440p AAA games doesn't seem that bad for me , as long as it doesn't drop to 60 . 😂
Very awesome video, I am looking Forward to watching more of your content and I am also looking forward for the giveaway ❤
Thank you I appreciate it! Good luck in the contest!
Great video! So 12400f + RX 6800 XT still go well on 1440p AAA games?
This video has helped alot for buying decisions please make more of this video to help others
Great Video. Thank You.
Keep up the nice content, but what would you think about having a OC 12400f with a 3070ti
Very close!!
I had that combo last year and it was a perfect match. I played in 4k and got above 100fps wz2
Sick video man you got a thumbs up from me
Great video, helped me a lot. 😊
Great video, super informative.
Glad you enjoyed it!
very informative video, it's crazy that the 7700x bottlenecks a bit the 7900xtx in some tittles.
very interesting video, the performance dips with the 12400f and raytracing and 1440p were very interesting, and here i thought replacing my 12400f for a 13600k was a bit too overkill at 1440p
Thanks!! Yeah I felt the same, some of the results were pretty strange, 13600k is a fantastic CPU, could be worth the upgrade depending on what you play.
Can someone, please, explain why the CPU works better at higher resolutions? I know the work goes for the GPU, but why exactly at lower resolutions the CPU has worse performance, if the GPU is very good, for example?
The higher the resolution the more load is put on the GPU and less on the CPU. That removes load from the CPU and it can utilize the GPU better. When the resolution is lower and the GPU is too powerful it creates a CPU bottleneck because the fps becomes higher and the CPU can't provide the information needed for the GPU fast enough.
Thank you great vid!
Best comparison video ever... Thank you very much!
The best comparision i've seen so far.
Thank you!
What most influence the 0.1%, 1% FPS's lows and the Feametime on a GPU??? The CPU cache? CPU max freq? Singlecore performance? RAM freq? Motherboard voltage/VRMs? (I'm already assuming that the PC case has a good decent airflow to cool down the case anshardware. And CPU has a good cooler, and cooling is not a problem)
This is such a complicated topic but I would say memory latency, bandwidth, and cpu cache have the biggest impact on percentile in games today. It completely depends on the game though. There’s just too many variables to give a concrete answer.
I'm really digging the new production quality.
Thanks! I've been working on fixing up issues from past videos and im glad you noticed 😊
Hi i really like this kind of video keep doin that😊
For me ryzen 7700 price is 22000 rubles
12400f is 11000 rubles
Also dd5 costs 2x times more
The intro was very satisfying
Thanks! haha
I trying to save up money to buy this cpu so now I think I will get it thank you a lot
I'll get a 4070 Super and play at 1440p with i5 12400F. yay 😁
Thanks. What do you think of i5 12400F + RX 6700XT? Which CPU do you think is best for the RX 6700XT at 1080p resolution?
Bottleneck to me is when a card can't hit 60 using high settings 1440-4k in no game or most games using strong gpus, so 1080 gtx/4060-70/3060-90/4070-4070ti
Appreciate the work! The video was really useful even tho i had to watch it in 1.5 playback speed cuz you speak hella slow, brudda
I5 12600kf. About every idk couple of seconds I get frame drops from let’s say 80 down to 35 and a stutter. Then pops back up. Pole seconds later, same. 80 to 53 fps. Told it’s a bottleneck with my 3080. But my i510400f runs good. Idk. Now what lol
I have multiple stutters and drops with this CPU. With this same monster GPU, it's a great CPU for older/not-intensive games/rendering since these problems seem to happen with games that are very CPU heavy and not optimized well. This is with a 12400 and a 4070TI, whereas using the same chip with a 3080 weaker GPU, the GPU doesn't have those problems as bad, which tells me the Ti needs a stronger CPU, hence I have a bottleneck.
12400f with a really small bottleneck is amazing, even more when we see the price omfg you can go really ok with a 4070/4070 ti
Bottleneck? rtx 3060ti ventus oc x2 i5 12400f gigabyte b660m-h man please help
No it wont bottleneck
bro the 7900xtx not Ray tracing in 4K MEDIUM with these Cpu's got me like "Fuuuu tht shii" the 12400 running 4k ultra with over 60 on XtX got me convinced im not making a bad decision getting it with ddr4 nd micro Atx, you already know its 3200 16GB too so these results are awesome, with only Card Upgrades really needed, and since im running a 1050 with eyes for a 6700xt i think ill be just fine
Hi, I'm still considering which GPU should I upgrade from 3060 ti, I'm using 12400f rn and more focus on 1440p gaming, idk which gpu should i choose which is 3080, 6800xt or 7800xt
I recommend the rtx 4070 or 7800xt if you play 1440p
Is 8% bottleneck that bad?
Please answer thanks
No, it's fine.
Ddr 5 memory are also helping the 7700x to get an even wider lead apart from alresdy being faster
I got a 3060 12gb 12400f system at 1080p and just ordered a 4070 super should i get a new cpu or not?
The max my 12400 can handle is 3080. Anything stronger than that gpu and drops and stuttering happens, I know, because I have a 4070ti and the CPU works way smoother with the 3080,4070ti is a less vram/cooler/better dlss version of 3090,which is why I bought this monster cpu 12700 couple days ago for 200 used
I bought 12400 2 years ago
I wanted to buy 4080 but 4070Ti is enough for my 12400F? I play at 1440p 165Hz monitor. Or should I stay longer with my 3070?. Thx for the review. 👍
I would go with the 4070ti at 1440p, it shouldnt create a bottleneck at that resolution but the 4080 would.
@@LegitCamelRetro Yeah but why on earth those 4070Ti's dont have 16GB VRAM :( . Gonna check The Last Of Us on my 3070 and i'm gonna see how it will perform. Maybe i should stay longer with my 3070 and wait for some price drops for 4070Ti
Hi there,😊 well I understand why you didn't push for 1080p. But there are people like me who actually care. Btw thanks for the video😊
So, pretty much pointless getting anything more powerful than a 3070 with a 12400 CPU if you're under 4k it seems?
Interesting video. I always though 12400f will be bottleneck with a 3070ti or higher. After watching this video. Probably 4070 is a perfect combo for 1440p.
The max my 12400 can handle is 3080. Anything stronger than that gpu and drops and stuttering happens, I know, because I have a 4070ti and the CPU works way smoother with the 3080.
My friend used to go with 12400f and GTX 1650 his work is moderate editing and trading should I recommend him this combo or not ?🤔 Or will it bottle neck ?
1650 is low end GPU, even 8th/9th gen i5 won't bottleneck it.
@DEMON_EGOISThere Assuming 6750 "xt" (as amd doesn't use ti moniker).
Though 13400f will be a better choice, You can go ahead with 12400f, it's pretty balanced combo.
I'm running RX 6700 non xt with an i3 12100f and very few games bottleneck sometimes.
Nice video. I have a 12400F and a 3070 Ti. To play in 1440p, what is the best gpu for this cpu? I can put a 4080 and have no bottleneck?
I have multiple stutters and drops with this CPU. With this same monster GPU, it's a great CPU for older/not-intensive games/rendering since these problems seem to happen with games that are very CPU heavy and not optimized well. This is with a 12400 and a 4070TI, whereas using the same chip with a 3080 weaker GPU, the GPU doesn't have those problems as bad, which tells me the Ti needs a stronger CPU, hence I have a bottleneck.
Hi, do the I5 12400f and 6800XT a great fit for 2k gaming. I think the CPU will bottleneck the Gpu, but what do I know, please reply. Thank you for this video
at 1440p from my experience the 12400f does well
thanks for reply, I’m thinking about h610 i5 12400f and 6700Xt. Will this be enough for 2k gaming? I’m not sure what mainboard should I go also, is b760 a good fit(50$ more expensive than the h610)
@@nhato4644 I would not get a h610 board unless I was doing an extremely cheap i3 build. B760 is good but this b660 from gigabyte is perfect for a mid range build at a cheap price. www.amazon.com/B660M-DS3H-AX-DDR4-Motherboard/dp/B083NMK4BB/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1BXS7A8DM4WYD&keywords=b660&qid=1681149698&sprefix=b660%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-5&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.18ed3cb5-28d5-4975-8bc7-93deae8f9840&th=1
great video
keep it up
this video is super useful to those who have 12400f or are going to buy it.
So why even spend more than 200 bucks on a CPU when it can utilize the vast majority of high end GPUs? Like Anything 4070 ti or 6950 xt under or equivalent to..
Do you still think the 12400f and 6800XT are a good pairing? I feel like being CPU bottlenecked in Warzone is a bit worse than being GPU bottlenecked there, thinking of upgrade the 12400.
12400 can pair with any gpu you throw at it. I'm no longer an AMD fanboy just with this insane value of a cpu.
That's exactly the build I'm looking into. I think it's gonna hold up on 1440p. It would be awesome if someone who has this pair told us their experience
@@xaliven4365 Not 100% sure what you are asking, but i recently just upgraded to a 13600k and the difference is actually quite noticeable. The 1% lows are just way better (it's like at least 40 FPS extra at 1% low)
@@tr4nnel752 That's exactly what I wanted to know. Is the difference only noticeable in 1% lows? Do games feel overall smoother?
@@xaliven4365 Yes, i genuinely feel that way. I. mainly play MW2, Warzone and Rocket League.
I played Rocket League on 360 FPS but it would occasionally dip quite badly resulting in some stutter, now that is gone.
Warzone has become noticeably smoother now with always 140FPS vs dips below 100.
MW2 is now steady 200+ FPS (the 6800xt is the clear bottleneck now and I even undervolted the 13600K with 100 mV)
I feel like I am quite sensitive to the FPS dips and didn't expect it to make this much of a difference, no regrets. (I am on DDR4 btw).
So a 12400f + 3080 is alright ?
so i shouldnt upgrade my gtx 1060 + i5 12400 to rtx 4070 super ?
what your resolution?
You ourchase 12400F+ 7900XTX where 12400F serves as quite competent place holder.
When able you get 14600K or 14700K.
14700K is I believe stronger than 7700X.
Could be wrong I guess.
Perhsps even 14600K is.
13700K also fantastic CPU.
Hello sir, could you please tell me how to know that a CPU is bottlenecked in AAA games ? Sorry if you said that in your video, but Im not good at English. Thanks
I'm considering a system that combines 12400f with the 6750 XT, and I am not sure if it's a good combo.
sure, it’s okay
Do you think i'll have bottleneck with i5 12400 and RX 6650 XT ?
Can you plz do a similar video with i5 13400f would be really appreciated 🙏
May you do the same with i5 13th 13600F? Thanks!
I have an i5 12400 with an rtx 3070 im getting 120 fps in fortnite with performance mode and 120 to 200 in valorant and it uses 20 percent of my gpu and its always 50 percent for cpu i cant fix it i did whatever i can but this kind of a bottleneck is impossible with this cpu can somebody help me
Hey pls help me
I got the i5 12400f and 3070ti and i saw bottlenecking in 1080p resolution like cyberpunk.
Should i downgrade the gpu to 3070 or 3060ti and refund it?(i bought that gpu used and it still have test Time and i can refund it)
Or it's better to get new monitor with higher resolution? (Sorry for my bad English)
Wtf. Just get a 1440p monitor 😆
can you do a comparison on an overclocked 12400f lets say 5ghz?
how is possible your 12400f dont have bottleneck with 7900 xtx ??? I have alot stuttering with rtx 4070 super
As a newbie in building a PC, does it makes senses to make a new built with a motherboard that support DDR5 and use maybe 32GB with the 12400f? ( would be more future proof) plan on using either a 6700xt or 6800xt at 1440p
Right now, honestly kind of does if you plan on upgrading in a few years, sounds like they will be using socket lga1700 for 14th gen still so you would be able to upgrade to that later.
brother you are doing dd4 vs ddr5 ram
will the 12400f bottleneck a RX 6800 (non-xt) on 1080p?
Is rtx4070 super and i5 12400f good combo ? I am already have it ? In future i will upgrade to i7 13700f ,but the combo i5 12400f and rtx 4070 super for 1440p ,is it ok combo for five or six years?
he'll be fine
Rx 7700xt and i5 12400f 1080p 240hz does it bottleneck
Hi i have the i5 12400f cpu with gtx1065 gpu and a cooler master white mwe 550w psu . I am wanting to upgrade to a rtx4060 gpu will my psu be able to handle it.
Yes, but take 2x fan cuz 3x takes more energy
I confirm 12400 created a bottleneck with my 1660
? XDD
Do you think it's worth getting the 12400f instead of the Ryzen 5600 for 30 dollars more since you did this test on both of them? I'd like to make the PC as future resistant as possible (at least 4-5 years). I plan on getting either the 12400f or 5600 with a 6800/6700XT, and when it comes time to upgrade, I'd just upgrade the GPU to a newer one while keeping the CPU the same for some time. From the tests it seems that the 12400f gets higher frames than the 5600 when paired with the 7900XTX, so in the future the 12400f might be better when paired with an upgraded GPU than the 5600 as well, no?
So, this question has a lot of answers depending on your budget and preferences. Myself and a lot of other RUclipsrs would say paying extra for future proofing is not worth it. I will say that the 12400f can be paired with ddr5 memory where the 5600 cant be, which would help with future proofing the build, but it will cost extra.
I am gonna be honest, at the end of the day both cpus perform almost exactly the same, if it were me I would just get the standard ddr4 3600 cl16 memory and get the 5600 because its cheaper, the motherboard prices are also cheaper than the intel options right now.
The 7900xtx is bottlenecked by both of these cpus, they will be a bottleneck for whatever fancy cards come out in 4-5 years too, it is hard to plan out that far, after that much time you will probably be forced to upgrade your entire platform no matter what. I think about the CPUs and GPUs that came out 5 years ago and they are just dwarfed by whats out right now, its the way things go. I would get the 5600 with a 6800 and be happy with the build, it will run fantastic for many years and once it starts to struggle just upgrade your entire platform.
Dont worry about the future, every few months something new and shiny comes and makes you feel left behind, even though what you have is still great, you will know when its time to upgrade.
@@LegitCamelRetrothe best advice ever. 5600 ftw.
Can i pair 12400f with 3070 ti without having bottleneck
For 1080p, what gpu is what you would go with maximum for this cpu? If playing with a 165hz monitor and games on max settings
Rx 6700 xt always a good choice
Ineed ur help guy ijust buy pc with i5 12400f with 3070ti in warzone iget ony 160 fps on 1080 costom settings is tha it or ican get more ?
12400 and 5600 are identical right
12400f with 6700XT - I felt bottleneck in lords of fallen game (unreal engine 5)- with CPU going close to 100 while GPU still maintaining 70-80%.
I don't know if it's due to UE5 or games poor optimization. I am considering updating my CPU to 12600K or 14thGen. I don't have much of resale value around my region. This will waste CPU. Should I buy a monitor and play at 1440P or Any suggestions on this?
12400f is not that great. It is too low clock speed.
I have myv12400f overclocked to 5ghz. Still little bottleneck rx 7700xt
@@BR-ip5pz How did you overclock it, i am using gigabyte 720M motherboard?
I have 12400f @ 5ghz, and i cannot get my rx 7700 xt to 100% usage. It sticks around 95%. So i think that my cpu is bottleneck (game is battlefield 2042)