@@charlesmaurer6214 Sadly I believe you are correct. This poor ship was never more than a donation based cash cow for "the conservancy" and Penn Warehousing, jointly, ever since the owners that brought it over from the Ukraine abandoned it as an unfeasible project, in 1999. Okaloosa is nothing more than the new/latest co-conspirator, any fund's that may or may not have changed hands so far, will more than likely need to be returned, minus some exorbitant amount of handling / processing / whatever other asinine and legal fees they feel lucky enough to to try to attach . The drama for this ship is far from over. More than likely, it will suffer an (insured) occidental/unintentional, sinking/salvaging/scrapping, somewhere between Philly and Florida. It was clear from the day it showed up at pier 82, in 1997 under Ed Cantors ownership, that the ship was NOT to be worked on/restored at that pier. Despite a half dozen ownership changes/options to buy, between cruise lines, developers, and Conservancy "re-formations" throughout the years up until as recent as 2023, no suitable restoration location/berthing, was ever developed. That in itself should tell you everything you need to know. That ship was merely being passed around as a donation generator and a tax shelter, just as it will continue to be, as long as humanly possible. More to see here, just watch. Corruption never sleeps.
@@tuck6464 I don't want it sunk with the Aluminum framing that will make toxic aluminum salts in the sea water. I say beach or scrapping is the best options. Beaching can allow restoration or scrapping later but would depend on someone willing to have her in gutted state
The group that she was trusted to never had tours to raise funds and just paid the board. Now they cashed out and the mess IMHO is going to be a repeat of the tire reef project that sterilized 10 times more reefs than the one planned and failed to create. Her Aluminum framing will react to sea water forming highly toxic aluminum salts like those only naturally found in places like death valley and the dead sea.
I totally agree with you! All the money that gets spent in the country for everything else - we should be able to save this ship! Sunk as a reef!! How disgusting!
I’m afraid it’s just too late to save it. If the original efforts had been a success, it would probably have been saved. Unfortunately, decades of neglect have obviously not been kind to her. At least she isn’t being cut up and is instead being “preserved” at the bottom of the sea. Kinda poetic when you think about it
@@BMMEC6000 unfortunately; she had not been cared for a long time; since being out of service. Have no idea no upkeep on her. She perhaps all this time she could have been in dry dock. A ship that was the flagship of the United states line; took a year to build this beauty !! To this day still holds the blue riband for transatlantic travel. There will be no other like her !!
@jeffpotipco736 add it to the u.s. museum fleet. Its a world record holder was designed to be able to move troops with an interchangeable design, was already paid for partially by american taxes when it was built. It deserves to be saved
@@joebeachner9646 All that is true, but the fact remains it's a white elephant now. A very expensive one. The only thing I can think of is it goes across the river with USS New Jersey. That still doesn't pay for the restoration. Id love to see it saved, don't get me wrong. But this country has bigger priorities right now.
@jeffpotipco736 it does i agree but at same time that could be said of any one of the museum ships. The texas had nearly rusted through before being taken to dry dock to be restored. The new jersey gets scheduled maintenance, even the submarine in Oklahoma of all places is kept up and upright, flooded here a few years back and was righted from the flood waters. Just wish this ship had the kind of conservancy as others do. Even if buried partially in land so it doesnt have to float anymore like japan did to to the Mikasa i think it was. I know it's costs and so on but just a dream i wish could be achieved. Outside of the marys, one in long Beach and one in service still for now, the ocean liner is nearly extinct. Weve scrapped or sank more than 99% of them. Maybe this one last American legend that represents the ingenuity and building of the u.s. could be saved. Sadly she'll be written off
@@xxpierkeepsloadingxx7146 Do you really think that they haven’t thought of every other possible option before making the decision to scuttle her? It’s either this or the torch. If god has been holding her up, then he, her or they better have a damn good reason for doing so.
@@BMMEC6000 I don't think there's anything possible to save her, she's already planned to be an artificial reef soon enough. I was just saying God might not want such a beautiful ship, a record breaker for speed to be sank. I didn't mean to create any type of tension?
Such a shame. The "Conservantry" who aparently were trying to save this ship faild, and took the easy way out. All other historic passenger ships have been saved, so why did this group fail so dismally? I would like to see an audit of how much money they actually spent of keeping the ship restored in the ime of their ownership.
As a former member of the conservancy I’m saddened to see it end this way. I was a member for a few years but as time went by and I saw nothing actually being down, I pulled away. They had great intentions but for what ever reason the main board to me just couldn’t get it together. So many promises were made but in the long run, nothing, just asking for more money. Right up to this day, they are still asking for money to keep the conservancy alive. The so called museum is to be built, but like the ship itself, I don’t see it happening. It’ll be sad to see it sunk, but in a way, it’s been sitting in the bottom of the ocean now for years.
The Olympia needs 15 million dollars in repairs, water leaking at the keel. But the dedicated owners make sure that it stays afloat. With strategic marketing and advertisement, the SS UNITED STATES, can be much more than a senseless reef!
We all wish that we could save this remarkable ship. However, it is so far gone that it would cost an obscene amount of money to get her back to even a somewhat presentable state. Imagine how much work it takes to restore a 1950 Buick from a junkyard. Now, imagine that times two-hundred million and you'll have an idea of how much work this ship needs. The ship was dead when they gutted her of all of her interior fittings; that was the real shame, not finally putting her to rest beneath the waves. At least she will survive for hundreds of years down there.
Very good job dudes and nicely well done!! Congratulations 994.14% yo throughout the 3rd sizzling patriotic hot week of said nice November y'all. Terrifically cool news story. But that's so stupid. This ship should be saved!
Hoped they reconsidered the reef after past failures killed more reefs like the tire program that not only failed to form a living reef but killed 10 times the existing reefs. The big issue is her part steel and part aluminum construction. The Iron will rust but the corrosion on the aluminum is not only toxic it is highly alkaline that later studies revealed caused much of deforestation wrongly blamed on acid rain to actually be from cloud seeding programs. Those cloud seeders use Aluminum powder released with flare like devices. Also when rust and aluminum is mixed in a powder you get thermite (the reason the world trade center showed thermite residue was the steel from the building and aluminum from the plane in a fire produces the same residue) Sinking her off shore is like sinking an equal weight of thermite and her Aluminum salts from her framing is toxic to life in general anyplace. Would be much better to beach her for a chance of future repair or proper scraping instead of trashing more Florida seafloor like the tire program that serialized huge sections of sea floor.
Once she is out of the Delaware river?? And if they start dragging her eastward instead of south?? Then my prediction will be true. That she has been sold for scrap metal?? For the tidy profit of 4 million bucks. Time will tell??
Good job taking unrelated information putting it together to get a totally incoherent and wrong conclusion... That is some special skill you got there...
Sad she coud not be saved.
The conservancy never had any plan to raise funds though tours and now cashed out with about 10 million to be divided between the board members.
@@charlesmaurer6214 That's pretty fucked, I've been trying to figure out how to Get a Tour for a decade now.
@@charlesmaurer6214 Sadly I believe you are correct. This poor ship was never more than a donation based cash cow for "the conservancy" and Penn Warehousing, jointly, ever since the owners that brought it over from the Ukraine abandoned it as an unfeasible project, in 1999.
Okaloosa is nothing more than the new/latest co-conspirator, any fund's that may or may not have changed hands so far, will more than likely need to be returned, minus some exorbitant amount of handling / processing / whatever other asinine and legal fees they feel lucky enough to to try to attach . The drama for this ship is far from over. More than likely, it will suffer an (insured) occidental/unintentional, sinking/salvaging/scrapping, somewhere between Philly and Florida.
It was clear from the day it showed up at pier 82, in 1997 under Ed Cantors ownership, that the ship was NOT to be worked on/restored at that pier. Despite a half dozen ownership changes/options to buy, between cruise lines, developers, and Conservancy "re-formations" throughout the years up until as recent as 2023, no suitable restoration location/berthing, was ever developed. That in itself should tell you everything you need to know. That ship was merely being passed around as a donation generator and a tax shelter, just as it will continue to be, as long as humanly possible. More to see here, just watch.
Corruption never sleeps.
@@tuck6464 I don't want it sunk with the Aluminum framing that will make toxic aluminum salts in the sea water. I say beach or scrapping is the best options. Beaching can allow restoration or scrapping later but would depend on someone willing to have her in gutted state
@@charlesmaurer6214 They only received 1 million for the ship not 10 million.
Outrageous, just outrageous on the count of everybody for allowing this to happen!
The group that she was trusted to never had tours to raise funds and just paid the board. Now they cashed out and the mess IMHO is going to be a repeat of the tire reef project that sterilized 10 times more reefs than the one planned and failed to create. Her Aluminum framing will react to sea water forming highly toxic aluminum salts like those only naturally found in places like death valley and the dead sea.
I totally agree with you! All the money that gets spent in the country for everything else - we should be able to save this ship! Sunk as a reef!! How disgusting!
I’m afraid it’s just too late to save it. If the original efforts had been a success, it would probably have been saved. Unfortunately, decades of neglect have obviously not been kind to her. At least she isn’t being cut up and is instead being “preserved” at the bottom of the sea. Kinda poetic when you think about it
@@BMMEC6000 unfortunately; she had not been cared for a long time; since being out of service. Have no idea no upkeep on her. She perhaps all this time she could have been in dry dock. A ship that was the flagship of the United states line; took a year to build this beauty !! To this day still holds the blue riband for transatlantic travel. There will be no other like her !!
that's so stupid. This ship should be saved!
Who's going to pay for it? I love the old ships too, but you have to be realistic about these things.
@jeffpotipco736 add it to the u.s. museum fleet. Its a world record holder was designed to be able to move troops with an interchangeable design, was already paid for partially by american taxes when it was built. It deserves to be saved
@@joebeachner9646 All that is true, but the fact remains it's a white elephant now. A very expensive one. The only thing I can think of is it goes across the river with USS New Jersey. That still doesn't pay for the restoration. Id love to see it saved, don't get me wrong. But this country has bigger priorities right now.
@jeffpotipco736 it does i agree but at same time that could be said of any one of the museum ships. The texas had nearly rusted through before being taken to dry dock to be restored. The new jersey gets scheduled maintenance, even the submarine in Oklahoma of all places is kept up and upright, flooded here a few years back and was righted from the flood waters. Just wish this ship had the kind of conservancy as others do. Even if buried partially in land so it doesnt have to float anymore like japan did to to the Mikasa i think it was. I know it's costs and so on but just a dream i wish could be achieved. Outside of the marys, one in long Beach and one in service still for now, the ocean liner is nearly extinct. Weve scrapped or sank more than 99% of them. Maybe this one last American legend that represents the ingenuity and building of the u.s. could be saved. Sadly she'll be written off
get your wallet out then!
It’s not interesting. It’s sad. They can hardly wait to sink it. How sick is that?
If the company that owns the dock is truly collecting $1750.00 per day in docking fees?? Iam sure they dont mind receiving the money.
sad , the world's fastest is going to be a reef
Maybe the weather has been delaying the departure is because God doesn't want such an amazing ship to sink.
If you have a better idea, by all means, speak now.
@@BMMEC6000 And what do you mean by that?
@@xxpierkeepsloadingxx7146 Do you really think that they haven’t thought of every other possible option before making the decision to scuttle her? It’s either this or the torch. If god has been holding her up, then he, her or they better have a damn good reason for doing so.
@@BMMEC6000 I don't think there's anything possible to save her, she's already planned to be an artificial reef soon enough. I was just saying God might not want such a beautiful ship, a record breaker for speed to be sank. I didn't mean to create any type of tension?
@ There’s no tension. Maybe god aught to pay his share if he wants it saved so bad lol
This has turned into a real shitshow
This is bullcrap! she Supposed to live not turn to artificial Reef!
That ship 🚢 was there when I started a new job in Philadelphia I'm retired now with a pension from the Teamsters after 30 years
Its about time 🤔
Such a shame. The "Conservantry" who aparently were trying to save this ship faild, and took the easy way out. All other historic passenger ships have been saved, so why did this group fail so dismally? I would like to see an audit of how much money they actually spent of keeping the ship restored in the ime of their ownership.
I have followed this ship’s journey since it was retired in 1969 ,I will not be watching its sad end .A very tragic end to a neglected icon .
As a former member of the conservancy I’m saddened to see it end this way. I was a member for a few years but as time went by and I saw nothing actually being down, I pulled away. They had great intentions but for what ever reason the main board to me just couldn’t get it together.
So many promises were made but in the long run, nothing, just asking for more money. Right up to this day, they are still asking for money to keep the conservancy alive. The so called museum is to be built, but like the ship itself, I don’t see it happening.
It’ll be sad to see it sunk, but in a way, it’s been sitting in the bottom of the ocean now for years.
The links on Instagram say it all. There's a no information page when you tap the Museum page, yet you can still donate
At this point they should just sell it off again, this many delays is not normal and everyone will be happier to see her preserved.
Some rando: oceanliners were designed for bad weather! She should be fine!
Meanwhile S.S American Star laughing her ass off in the background
At least the diving community will be able to enjoy her
The Olympia needs 15 million dollars in repairs, water leaking at the keel. But the dedicated owners make sure that it stays afloat.
With strategic marketing and advertisement, the SS UNITED STATES, can be much more than a senseless reef!
Absolutely!!
Call Trump! SOS
So sad this shouldn't be happening
😂 SS US doesn’t wanna leave lmao
May this great lady rest in peace.
When she went to europe to be gutted was when her fate was sealed.
SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED
God damn it... a reef? One of the last, historical and worth saving, but fuck it sink it i guess
We all wish that we could save this remarkable ship. However, it is so far gone that it would cost an obscene amount of money to get her back to even a somewhat presentable state. Imagine how much work it takes to restore a 1950 Buick from a junkyard. Now, imagine that times two-hundred million and you'll have an idea of how much work this ship needs. The ship was dead when they gutted her of all of her interior fittings; that was the real shame, not finally putting her to rest beneath the waves. At least she will survive for hundreds of years down there.
Very good job dudes and nicely well done!! Congratulations 994.14% yo throughout the 3rd sizzling patriotic hot week of said nice November y'all. Terrifically cool news story. But that's so stupid. This ship should be saved!
Donald Trump has to rescue this vessel know. Trump fix it!
Donald Trump can't fix anything!
@@michaelfisher1395he fixed the Dem's good 😂
Sorry, he needs to keep the money to pay his prostitutes.
Calling on Trump or anybody to come rescue the Big U! I don't care side anyone is on, save our history!!!
Hoped they reconsidered the reef after past failures killed more reefs like the tire program that not only failed to form a living reef but killed 10 times the existing reefs. The big issue is her part steel and part aluminum construction. The Iron will rust but the corrosion on the aluminum is not only toxic it is highly alkaline that later studies revealed caused much of deforestation wrongly blamed on acid rain to actually be from cloud seeding programs. Those cloud seeders use Aluminum powder released with flare like devices. Also when rust and aluminum is mixed in a powder you get thermite (the reason the world trade center showed thermite residue was the steel from the building and aluminum from the plane in a fire produces the same residue) Sinking her off shore is like sinking an equal weight of thermite and her Aluminum salts from her framing is toxic to life in general anyplace. Would be much better to beach her for a chance of future repair or proper scraping instead of trashing more Florida seafloor like the tire program that serialized huge sections of sea floor.
Once she is out of the Delaware river?? And if they start dragging her eastward instead of south?? Then my prediction will be true. That she has been sold for scrap metal?? For the tidy profit of 4 million bucks. Time will tell??
Good job taking unrelated information putting it together to get a totally incoherent and wrong conclusion... That is some special skill you got there...
Better than being turned into razor blades I guess
What a waste should have been saved
WOOHOO SHE GOT DELAYED
Someone in the usa save her please love from ireland❤
They need to turn it into a homeless shelter for the people of Kensington Ave.
That ship is haunted af!
No?