This could honestly make for a funny scene. Succubus trying to seduce a knight in barely-there armor (because it doesn't know about how impractical it is) and the knight is like "why are you not wearing proper armor lady, this is a battlefield" all confused.
@@Momohime_Chan I am trying to be a writer but I can't take full credit for this idea... There is a game called Succuquest, where you play as a succubus who turns into different people's ideal girls for platforming and she turns into a kinda dumb bimbo knight with such armor for certain obstacles. I'll admit, the game is fun and funny but definitely 18+ rating and only in demos currently.
@@TheSillyFrog742 all the edges digging into the softest and most sensitive parts of your body, standing in the sun would hurt like a bitch bc the metal gets hot, and they also seem to forget that humans are kinda gross, we sweat, we have dead skin and small hairs everywhere that get shed, and there's a reason there's liners for women's underwear Like?? If they wanna draw pinups then they can draw pinups, but it's annoying when they pretend it's literally anything else
@TheSillyFrog742 amour never was meant to be comfortable. Car seatbelts are also not the most comfortable guess waht they should provide some protection so comfortable isn't that much of an Deal here
@@AdmiralHippster I think metal underwear wouldn't just be uncomfortable, it would lead to wounds in the specific areas because of friction. Trust me, just normal female underwear can hurt if it's too tight and rubs your skin there. Metal can hurt you a lot more than just cloth which can rub your skin red
@@AdmiralHippster yeah but there's a difference between "it's not that comfortable" and "it's really fucking uncomfortable and actively painful and impractical"
No he didn't. It LITERALLY is the artist's fantasy. He doesn't get to decide what the artists choose to do with their characters. If you don't like it, make your own art and be the change you wanna be instead of trying to cry bully people into shelving their characters because you're scared of skin.
@@strikingsarcophagus thise armors doing anything but protection, and i think he explained well enough of why those armors are bad if you would just listen.
@@strikingsarcophagusYeah but he can criticise them for doing it, just like you're doing now. Are you being a crybully? No, that would be silly, because you're just being critical of Deja, Deja is doing the same thing. Are we to assume that you don't want Deja to change his content, despite your obvious criticisms? The fact is that statements about authorial control in response to criticism of the author's creation will always be inherently hypocritical. How can you criticise on the basis that someone else's criticism is going to change the work?
@@lightningninja6905 Except what he's doing isn't criticism that has any basis. Not anything objective. He's not pointing out anything with anatomy or the color or shading being off, or anything that would genuinely help the artists get better at their art. He's just shitting on what they choose to draw. This is genuinely like someone walking up to an artist who draws rabbits, saying "Erm, I don't like that you draw so many rabbits. Here's how I'd draw the rabbits to make them look like cats" and then calling it criticism. When I criticize his content, I'm criticizing it on the very basis his content is built on. He built this channel on baseless, stupid criticisms that hold zero weight in any discussion. His criticisms are unproductive, lack any nuance or context, and just serve to have fangirls like you clap like seals and laugh at artists work. And when he's using artists work to paint some sexist narrative about women in fantasy and attempting to use their art as a vessel for getting across that narrative, he's being inherently harmful. So let's compare. My criticisms: - He negatively impacts artists - He's against creator autonomy - His criticisms are baseless and lack weight - He doesn't actually try to improve artists work and complains exclusively about the content they choose to draw despite that not being a valid measure for critique His critiques: - Hmmm the armor has too much skin waaaaah
The argument is so out of touch like he's complaining about FANTASY female characters being UNREALISTIC and IMPRACTICAL and when people tell him it's FANTASY and it is meant to be UNREALISTIC he go out and say "iTs FaNtAsY nOt YoUr FaNtAsY" like wtf that has to do with the argument? It's just pure "Ermmm aksually 🤓👆🏻" plus it's the Author Fantasy like get over with it
@@donutthepop5297 as long as the artist doesn't try to argue why it's practical, I don't care. The artist likes hot women, cool with me. But if they try to argue, that it's "practical" and shit like that... sorry, but no. I'm just a guy who can admit that those women look good... but I would rather meet them in a strip club then them claiming to be soldiers who fight for my survival... if you get what I mean.
There was a time i was trying to draw a female knight and searched online for references and I couldn't find a single one that didn't show skin, i had to put full armor and there were still some results where it did show skin.
Tbh if you wanna got segsy chick wearing chainmail th0ng, do it with sorcerers or mages, or like any magic users, because they can logically wear anything they want most of the time and are usually not in the frontlines. It'd be better if they wear armour or magically transform into an attack helicopter, but they have the most freedom so you can feel free to dress them up with whatever. You want a chest plate with a big heart in the middle? You can! How about 4 inch stilettos? Make them fly! Or maybe just a piece of 2 inch string?. ..Cause magic users can just boom!, magik shield, attak blocked. But you should also do it with the wizards for bonus points btw. But don't do it with barbarians or frontline people, if you want to, give them full on body paint or some jewellery for historically accuracy, or give everyone (including females) a cod piece. They are frontline people. If you want a armoured knight, the female version must be similar. Giving the same outfits as magic users outfits I mentioned above, but metal, is very impractical, possibly hard to move, and just a big Wowie my heart, lungs, and all my organs are uncovered, I have no protection so I can distract enemies! Yeah sure, even if your that hot and even with fantasy logic, there WILL be at the very least, a gay knight or something that will chop you up like you some ucumber or something.
@@pantherlloyd3795 yes, exactly this! Armor is shaped as it is to deflect attacks most effectively, and then padding worn under it to cushion and soften blows, and in the case of plate also strapped to the body to fit. Aside from being made of a smaller overall size if needed, the armor would still be the *exact* same shape and proportions as the armor males wear, so unless the helmet is off there's literally no visible difference. If they were to make the armor distinctly drawn in at the waist for curves or something, it would be usable, but less effective, and if they had the idea of making plates shaped around the breasts to "make room for them" that would be a disaster waiting to happen. Chest armor would have room for them without being shaped like that, and such a shape would deflect any stab in that area right into the groove and then you get run through right through the chest, rather than the armor being bulged outwards and deflecting stabs harmlessly to the sides like armor is intended to do. (This issue is also a common issue with male fantasy armor with pectoral shaped plates, that's also the same fatal flaw). Aside from curves or the chest being shaped, there isn't any appreciable difference between the male/female form that armor would need to account for that isn't already fixed by the normal "make sure it's the right size" thing that's kinda important for every individual wearing it regardless of gender.
@@thuriusth5997 I can’t help but find this comment and pretty much the bent of this entire comments section (and channel) to be disingenuous. I did the exact same search to see if this was actually the case, and turns out it’s not. A google image search reveals pic after pic after pic of women clad in full armor (some more form fitting than others, but nothing overtly sexualized) with no skin other than the face to be shown. “Anime female knight armor” also all fully clad with just a bit more emphasis to the size of their busts, because, you know, anime. Even “fantasy female knight armor” has a few pics where the legs aren’t covered but still mostly fully clad in armor. It seems to me people are specifically looking up lewd images just to complain about them.
The funniest thing ever is that the same ppl that argue that bikini armour "isn't supposed to be realistic" often also argue that sexism has to be included if a fantasy setting is loosely inspired to medieval times (which is like, a hella big chunk of the fantasy genre)
Or, even more fun to deal with, "Why are there black people in my nondescript, vaguely Older European fantasy setting? That's not accurate to the actual-"
and now because that is the default i don’t really find sexy armor sexy anymore. it just looks weird. if good armor was the default for both men and women, and occasionally there was sexy armor it would make it way better
Ex-LoL player here. And the same issue I have with the sexy champs. When they started to be a thing, it was cool, like yeah why not, some more diverse characters tropes, then it became the new default and every single one champ becomes more boring than the last an I haven't seen a single decent monster that makes me feel it's a fantasy game. So far the most impressive champs I got to enjoy during the sexy epidemic was a jackass space dragon, a hippy tree guy, a surrogate father, an eldritch horror monster, an artistic serial killer, a catfish, an actual woman that can break your bones, the Violater from Spawn, a bug, a land shark, a business woman, a communist, a boomer bear, the funny champion, some rats, an actual rat, the only sexy character that makes sense to be sexy, a motherfucking JoJo reference, a dawg, a racist bird, Nickyboi's daughter, the MAN, someone OK to my books and pretty much it that comes to my mind, the rest either are there to my liking or completely forgettable in my opinion and them been popular doesn't justify how lazy and lack of love for those characters.
I don't get people that say that tbh. Just look at the overwhelming difference in armor of a male knight vs a female knight, or the gender bent version of said night. It's quite sad honestly.
The problem is they don't really notice it because they don't take female characters seriously by default. This bs is so normalized that to them pointing it out feels like you're criticising the fundamental essence of fantasy anything because that's all they watch It's very frustrating
@@lintreethere’s also so many existing characters with pretty modest clothing even if they’re not realistic. It shows people can create such things. But at the same time other artists will legit just bypass it all together and either draw it for the clothes to be destroyed or something.
Also, historically speaking, there was little to no difference between male and female armor. First of all, because in most contexts warrior women were decently rare, so there wasn't any need to make female specific armor, they just modified male armor to suit their bodies. Secondly, because most female warriors DIDN'T want to advertise they were women. Nobody's playing nice in a war, and if your adversary realized you had some sort of disadvantage they were absolutely going to exploit it - and women are usually less physically strong than guys. Also, they didn't want to get r*ped. Thirdly - and here I speak from experience - once you put all the appropriate protective layers, either you have an extreme hour glass womanly shape or whatever curves you have they're going to be smothered down and pretty much invisible. Look at modern days Olympic fencers, kendo practitioners or anyone who competes in a sport that requires extensive body armor: are female and male athletes really that different looking once they're fully suited up?
Its because its not made for you. The content is made this way because it simply sells better. I used to play a game called genshin impact, the more sexy the character = more money. It’s simple economics, if this upsets you then go somewhere else, but I assure you that you and everyone who thinks like you doesn’t even make a dent in the market.
@@woundead3232 let the market decide and don't whine when your characters are wokeified then? Speak with your wallet. Or maybe you're gonna run your mouth anyway just like here...
As a woman that loves fantasy, it's so stupid to see pretty much all the designs being over sexualized and looking extremely uncomfortable while having no utility * cough cough metal underwear * It annoys me so much and it just feels incredibly nice whenever I see someone like you point out just how silly it is
*all* the designs being that way may be boring and repetitive so I can give you the point on that, but what is wrong with any individual case when something like the 300 movies also exist?
And female KNIGHTS who literally have gave up their childhood to become knights and should have their own fiefs due to their position, they have NO DIALOGUE! Like the male knight is the only one allowed to speak???
I mean.... metal cod pieces existed and were.... embellished in size. So while the metal bikini is impractical and useless, it did have a male equivalent real life version. The rest is scuffed though and can kindly leave.
I want equality in fantasy armor. Either the men get the bikini armor with heels too. Or the women get full body armor that is actually practical. Pick your poison.
I mean 300 movies do exist, and that's even based off of real events (exaggerated but real) and real people who were documented not wearing battle underwear and capes
That's why I'm mostly ok with Genshin armor. Everybody gets the sexy. Crop tops and boob windows and unnecessary belts for all! (Could use more guys in heels tho)
I love Dark Sun art for exactly that reason - both 2e and 4e art have armor and clothes design for everyone to enjoy. Want badass outfits? You get it. Suggestive? Art with both male and female characters in suggestive poses exist. Suits of armor are similarly (un)practical for everyone. It is just sad that Dark Sun is considered "problematic" for modern wotc, even though Dark Sun is probably most progressive setting of dnd in it's themes - environmentalism and general theme of greedy evil people in possition of power destroying the world just for little more power is honestly great for heroic adventures. But depiction of evil people doing evil things is equal to agreeing with it, apparently.
Except a lot of the ones he reviews, are clearly the artists fantasies. As in they are pin-up art, created to be sexualized. It's like going to a P*rn artist and complaining about their art being sexualized and just the artist's fantasy.
I'm not imposing a rule book (and neither is DejaTwo). He's pointing out the misogynistic themes of typical female fantasy armour, which sucks. It's art that artists are free to produce, and that I'm free to criticize. And yeah, I find it off-putting and gross to consistently see the stark differences between how men and women are portrayed in fantasy armour. These artists' demonstration that their fantasy is women exposed in battle and men more realistically covered pisses me off, especially since it's such a widespread trend. And I consider DejaTwo's phrasing a clever and concise way to express that sentiment, which is why I highlighted it.
@@Lulus-Regrets This isn’t criticism. He’s plainly attacking the artists, and wether he meant it or not his thoughts are bringing hate to the artists. Just look at the comments for five minutes. Most if not all the top comments are most definitely not valid Criticism made in good faith to better the artist, but an echo chamber of hatred to a group of artists that are portrayed to be way more common than they really are. Truly, think about your day to day life. Imagine you are an artist, spending day in and out practicing, finally developing the confidence to freely share your art online, and your first outing is A RUclips VIDEO WITH THOUSANDS OF LIKES CALLING YOUR ART WORTHLESS AND MYSOGNISTIC. after you simply had the audacity to share what you drew for free to the internet or even just shared to a small community that somehow found its way on google. Please, thoughts like these and assuming all artists that draw skin are mysogintic parent basement dwelling monsters is just as hurtful as these mysogonistic drawings are. It sucks you don’t like this art, and saying why is good, but claiming it is horrible and blaming the artist for being mysogonistic when you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE CITCUMSTANCE OF THE ART’S POST is OBSURD. If you truly care about this art being a “problem” go online, find the websites these pieces of arts originate from, and have discussions with the artist to figure out why they draw so many women in these styles. Talk with them, they don’t bite, look at their history, see if they are drawing commissions or their own art to share, please there are so many steps you can take before calling people DISGUSTING FOR EVEN THINKING ABOUT DRAWING THIS
I agree that it's not okay to send hate to people over their art. I disagree that art (including art on the internet that has been shared for free) isn't fair game to critique. I'm a writer; let's say I post multiple works to AO3 that contain themes many people consider to be racist, and let's say those themes are a common presentation among sci-fi fanfics. I don't think it's cruel or wrong of someone to post examples of my writing (along with others) discussing the material they consider racist, why they think it's racist, and offer alternative fan fic examples they consider to be more respectful. Do I think doxxing me over those hypothetical fics would be okay? No. Do I think people assuming that I'm an irredeemable piece of shit because I produced those works is okay? Also no. So let me clarify my feelings towards the artwork that's been shown: it unsettles me. It disgusts me. As a woman, it makes me feel less welcome in fantasy spaces. As a feminist, it disturbs me that it is common to show women with scanty armor and men far more covered. I don't assume these artists are assholes, or disgusting, or bad people. I certainly don't make assumptions about their living arrangements or that they are "basement dwelling monsters." I do assume they are human beings (with considerable talent), who seem to have assumptions and ideas about women in fantasy that I could not more strongly disagree with. One of the reasons I do appreciate these "Fantasy Armour" videos from DejaTwo is that it makes me feel seen and also addresses a widespread problem. Have you seen the videos where he includes the Pinterest searches for "orcs" vs "female orcs"? The blatant difference in sexualization is astonishing and so disappointing and deeply widespread. I don't consider it realistic for me to go to each of those individual creators (or even, let's say, five of them) who produced those sexy female orcs and ask them their reasoning, because that would be exhausting, and then to go to each of the creators for the "female elf armour" search, and then the "female dwarf armour" search and ad infinitum. This isn't an individual artist issue: it's an overarching feature of the fantasy genre. That's why I consider these videos of DejaTwo affirming and helpful, and why I'm not going to go to those individual artists because it isn't about them: it's about how female armour in the fantasy genre reflects real world misogyny (at least that's how I interpret it). Even if those individual artists intentions aren't misogynistic or they don't identify as misogynists doesn't mean that the art is exempt from (what I perceive as) this problem in fantasy art. Just because I don't feel fat-phobic and produce a movie featuring a side character that is quirky, loud, and fat, doesn't absolve the movie from the problematic theme of the "funny fat friend". It's harmful regardless of my individual intention because of how often that trope has been used to disregard fat people and keep fat actresses from being perceived as sexy or leading lady material. I don't think that intention absolves impact.
The one time when women in chainmail bikinis works for me is when you are doing a setting where basically everyone is barely wearing anything. I am going to be a lot less critical of all the female warriors clad in chainmail bikinis if the men are mostly running around with nothing but a loincloth and oiled pecs for armor.
I want Monster Hunter armor to have, like, 5 different modes you can switch in the menu. Default protective Feminine protective Feminine sexy Masculine protective Masculine sexy It'd be way more work, but it would allow people to have the choice, instead of locking things to gender.
wilds is actually doing away with gender locked armor !! u get to choose what set you want now :33 I can be a skimpy guy in a dress or a modest, protected woman now it's epic
@@kittylugia I'm not keeping up with the Wilds Stuff too much, but I'm glad to hear it. I just worry that certain sets may be locked to skimpy or modest, which of course will be fine, especially with layered equipment and the like, but it'll be sad if some sets lose certain aspects players love in trying to hit a middle, or picking a side.
@@micopen6719in my opinion the best case scenario from a reasonable player perspective in every armour has an alpha and beta set with alpha being practical and beta being more aesthetic and/or showey to cover the widest bases.
@@micopen6719only 4 full sets were shown in a playable demo at Gamescom, but it had men in skirts and very short shorts. So I wouldn't be that surprised if Capcom actually committed to the thing fully
I wouldn't call most male armor realistic either - generic male armor is often bulky metal box with barely visible human in it. Basicaly - another side of "ugly unpractical fantasy armor" coin. It is not sexualized though, i totaly agree with it. Probably because it is harder to fantasize of being an attractive man if you aren't, or something, idk why generic male characters are so bland on top of hiding in bulky metal suits.
@@notsochosenone5669 overly sexualized men do exist in fantasy with the barbarian, orc and fantasy Viking and stuff like it. Just bc a buff shirtless dude posing isn't hot to you doesn't mean it isn't hot for someone else
Blud like why is the male armor (more)realistic then???? --- According to their logic women can't have fantasies about men in overly sexualized armor #MakeItEqual
@@legendaresn6983they’re not showing a male realistic armor compared to unrealistic female armor, they’re comparing the artist different interpretation of armor for bother gender
@CTonYT yea but theres always a source of origin for words and tropes..... although yes racism exists and existed...its still traced to someone (a white man ofc) who invented race as a means to divide us..... regardless Its a joke, calm down
@@galemisoki6320 thats awfully racist of you to assume a white man created racism as much id like to disagree humans are inherently kinda "racist" more like thinking of themselves as greater thats why sexism, classism, and racism exists its like G a constant throughout history. also im asian in case u were gonna pull that too how do ppl not think racism against white ppl is racism too is beyond me
Also, girls can be sexy and strong and, above all, have the common sense to dress appropriately for each activity they do. 😅 I do Historical European Martial Arts, and everyone wears a similar set of bulky protective layers and body armor (which looks cool and badass but gets sweaty and gross two seconds into a sparring); guys and gals are pretty much indistinguishable once they're fully suited up. Still, once we finish training, take a shower and go have drinks together some of the ladies like to glam up and wear stunningly sexy outfits. If you want your fantasy lady knight to be a sexy piece of ass, simply give her a badass protective armor AND a slutty 'chill at the tavern' outfit. 😅 A woman can like to be sexually provocative and have the goddam sense of wearing a full plate in a melee battle.
It can be both. The. Problem is that a non fetishy adventure story still puts the female characters in fetish gear while the Men are normal or at least stylized for the story. With no explanation at all. Its like if the basic hero of every story attire was a gimp suit for no apparent reason. Imagine Luke Skywalker but he's in a gimp suit with his ass out. No one else is, just him, like his father before him.
I mean, as an artist I get it because it’s done by both sides. Women are hot. No one enjoys drawing guys. So everyone draws hot women. It’s a very repeatable and observable thing lol
….my guy I’m a girl who hangs around other girls who draw hot guys. Like. That’s a thing. Women do that. I even have a stark difference with how I design women vs men because I enjoy drawing more cartoony silly women
Bro i'm a male artists and i really enjoy drawing hot guys (i'm asexual), so think that it's just a them problem and not something every artist agree with
May I introduce you to the barbarian? Maybe a fantasy Viking? An orc perhaps if you like more exotic tastes? You don't see much cloth on these buff AF dudes and I can assure you someone finds them very sexy
And it's usually those same people that get upset when an author either doesn't make their fantasy work have sexism or decides to not go for hyperattractive armor. Creative expression goes both ways
As a guy, something that bugs me alot about male fantasy armor is how bulky and huge it always is, like I just want more down to earth, cool looking knight armors, for both dudes and dudettes
I don't hate some sexualisation, but it's near constant with women. It makes me feel uncomfortable when the majority of womens designs are sexy and completely unrealistic. It's obviously aimed at males for them to dote over and look at.
I will die on this hill. A buff half naked barbarian man is the same as a bikini knight maiden. They serve the same purpose for eye candy. It's no one's fault it's not your cup of tea
Why is the immediate reaction to someone calling out sexism, racism, etc., is “it’s fiction/fantasy”? As if said piece of fiction isn’t one of many doing the exact same thing. Repetition of things like that should be questioned.
its so annoying omg i think atp it's because people feel stupid and can't cash in something important so they gotta make everyone feel like they're overreading things because they genuinely have 0 info processings of the discussion🙏🙏🙏
because it quite literally is fiction(especially nsfw drawings just meant to be sexy), and any perceived "sexism" or "Racism" is often overblown mobbing by reactionaries who arnt fans of the IPs. ex: WOW sexual Dimorphism, Orks are black people, Not enough diversity in witcher.
Yeah, idk what is wrong with some people, like most of the criticism isn't even about the inclusion of racism, it's about the way the racism is portrayed. Like you can have heavy topics like racism in a fantasy setting and not handle it terribly. Fuckin Skyrim has racism because the Stormcloaks are an analog for the Confederacy, and while it's not handled the best, you can see what their intentions were. But when you get fuckin Harry Potter racism, where house elves are the "slave race" and any attempt at a civil rights movement, is viewed as being "an annoying busy body" that's when people have a problem. Same goes for the kids movie Robots, Robots is an analysis of class struggle, and it's really good, the fever dream that it is. Meanwhile the Bee Movie tries to do the same thing, but it handles it like shite, and as a result it's an unfunny mess, not a labor of passion but of money.
@@PetalRose450 I genuinely don't want to know what lead you to say "the Storm Cloaks are an analog for the Confederacy" but its clear you are one of the last people who should be allowed to talk on this topic for saying it.
@@SmolStall Have you played the game? Skyrim (the South) being part of the Legion (the Union) and the Legion (Union) is trying to blend cultures in Skyrim and make it more diverse. The Stormcloaks (Confederates) are super racist and prejudiced and want to divide from the Legion (Union) and be independent. The only real difference is that the Stormcloaks didn't support the return of slavery, because slavery still exists in Skyrim. It's a shitty little uprising by a buncha racists that were mad because civil rights were progressing, even though those civil rights are still non-existent. That's the confederacy, being racist was literally their defining trait. Just like the Stormcloaks.
I think many people confuse "being realistic" with "being believable". The latter is more important for fictional stories. For example Leona from LoL would realistically be quite restricted in her movement. But she at least seems like a badass knight.
And let's be honest, it looks ridiculous. Like ain't no way you can believe some chick wears that to battle without having to purposefullyignore logic, no matter how fantasy it is.
Same, some guys complain about him complaining about the problem but us girlies are just thankful that someone's listening to this ridiculous problem for once... I wanna see more badass females in badass armor too, like hello?
@@Xerochecksoutthing is, man in a bikini is ugly af, while woman in a bikini is hot, especially if the woman is gorgeous ya know. That's what I, as a man, want to see in the media that I constantly consume, I like that and I wanna to keep like that!
@@mineflameblade8788I’m sure Deja of all people will understand, he’s into darker stuff as well like Dead by Dayligjt even though that is a bit of a lighter example. Plus he reviewed some Elden ring armours without getting into the game’s lore at all, that game is based off of Bersekr and it is insanely dark. Also he’s just very reasonable in general I think.
I would agree with you until I met my friend 2 years ago, I gave them a dnd character design idea and they actually responded "But the armor looks boring, I wanna wear as little as possible" She is a woman, isn't attracted to women and we have made close to 50 dnd characters together and almost all of them have this same style, yes even the paladins and fighters. I just let people be people, its fantasy why should we put rules on it for other people.
Every single one of these videos trying to make fantasy armor equal with fully clothed women are having the opposite effect on me. I want the sexy male armor
He's right. I'm a girl and love fanstasy, when I get the choice bewteen Male or Female character selection I off the bone choice Male cause Female armor will always be the Bikini outfit or barely has armor on 😒.
@@claudinelopez5177literally same 😭😭 wuthering waves is cool and everything but seeing the girls wear panties as shorts or something while the guys are wearing normal clothes just really throws me off, I'd be called a whore if I were to go out like that in real life.
"We're talking about Fantasy, not YOUR fantasy" >Proceeds to specifically target art drawn by artist who's only intent was to make a sexy character design and nothing else. what a hero.
As a woman who enjoys fantasy, I love seeing proper armor on women and also how they make it look interesting. A metal bikini? Cliche, booooooring... A full suit of armor with cool engraving and a practical dress? Riveting, unusual, creative
I'd say it'd likely be a blend of materials. Obviously metal is (to a certain degree) flameproof, but having that touch your skin, even through a layer or two of cloth, would be hell. Thick plate on the outside covering the main areas, and a durable, flame-resistant leather on the inside to insulate and fill in the gaps.
It bugs me so much when people act like videos like this are just "Sexual character design is all bad! Everyone needs to be wearing potato sacks!" when in actuality it's simply calling out hypocrisy. What I feel is a great example to show that sexualized female armor can work and be great is Metal Gear Rising. Mistral works because while yes, she's designed to look like she's got on a skintight jumpsuit, but also the main character (who is a man) is designed to look like he's wearing a Borrat-style banana hammock and is wearing combat high heels. If you want the women to wear metal bikinis, you better be prepared to include metal assless chaps and speedos
I can tolerate some men wanting the most uncomfy non armor for ladies in their fantasies, but I want more art of women dressed in bulky armor ready to kick a villains ass.
I just watched solo leveling and I really liked the designs of all the S-rank hunters. Because yes, they all seem to fit the general archetype of each hunter, but also at that level I get the sense that they wear armor more for the potential buffs than the actual physical protection that the metal provides (I’ve only watched through the anime and just started the LN, so correct me if I’m wrong). But at that point, why not have some fun with your design? It’s also implied that the S-rank hunters are basically celebrities, so stylized armor also help make them distinct.
Fantasy and escapism are great, doesn’t excuse you from not putting together a coherent story. I say the same thing about magic systems. Good writing is still important in creating a fantasy world, and logic. Obviously, if it’s just a straight up harem type shit, who cares? But a complex fantasy system needs to make sense.
Exactly! If it's a harem fantasy, I expect all the people to be gorgeous and in skimpy cloths. Fan service is almost a requirement. But if it's something marketed as fantasy, I want *plot*. I can barely believe/ignore all the characters being attractive. But if all the girls are dressed in skimpy cloths I can't become immersed in the story. And the thing is, there can be scantily dressed women in fantasy - but not every woman and within limits of logic. It just takes more work to make it believable in the story (ex. a succubus, a character that doesn't care about defense and likes to dress like that, a carefully written environmental cause, etc)
It's dumb. The irony of @dejatwo is that he's criticizing the every single artists who draw fictional women in metal-kinis which is the *_artist's OWN fantasy_* he criticized them because *_the artist's fantasy design isn't his fantasies_* 🤡🤡🤡
I'm glad you're making this point. It's one i often try to articulate. "Fantasy... for who?" Because its genuinely just shitty when the standard for fantasy is a power trip for men but a pinup magazine for women.
_It's fantasy, not your fantasies._ Is such a great way to put it. I often wonder how to best answer people like that because, answering "it's not realistic" won't convince them. So this is a good way to bring across what the problem is, thank you 😂
This is why I like Conan the Barbarian. Everyone is half naked and oiled up. Can't complain about scantily clad female characters when everyone is scantily clad.
as a girl who watches, we love you for this stuff deja. the guys in these comments who dont get it just havent felt that kind of objectification. but dont worrry gentlemen, one day youll understand, amd youll feel as afraid of this bullshit in mainstream as we do! ❤
I think it also kills creativity to only think in horny, I’m a xenoblade fan and I do love the 3 main titles but like a lot of people in do find some of designs in 2 to be overly horny since all but a few of the female blades are just cute/sexy girls unlike the male blades like dromarch and Wulfrik There’s Herold who could of been a cool mechanical dragon but no she’s a sexy lady piloting a mech There’s newt she could of been a more muscular woman but no she’s got an hour glass figure and they just gave her floating giant arms There’s the design everyone know Dahlia could of been an adorable mood bunny but she has the biggest rack and somehow has bare feet high heels, I’m not kidding she has some kind of bone sticking out of the back of her feet so she always has high heels I get that horny has its place, as a gay guy I’d put a lot of hot guys in anything I’d make, but variety is the spice of life
The noun in the phrase "Fantasy Armor" is _armor_ - if it's not functional as armor it's not fantasy _armor,_ it's fantasy _costuming._ Or fantasy lingerie.
A lot of the time I end up resorting to out-of-armor portrayals of characters when looking for art for my dnd characters bc of this exact problem. I’m not an artist by any means so it’s not like I can create my own, and I’m too poor to commission and a real artist, so I have to use what’s available to me and when these are the prospects, it’s disheartening as a woman.
Those people gotta realize, it might not be real, but usually the armor works the same way it does in the real world. Could argue the armor is enchanted to protect even the bits that aren't covered, but A: to make that work I gotta ask how many wizards do you have working on the factories when they could be on the frontlines? And B: even if that's a reasonable suggestion, why do the men get full armor? If you can just enchant the armor to protect even the uncovered bits, surely it's much more sustainable to do the same for everyone. These are (typically) soldiers, not contestants in a beauty pageant. The goal is making armor that works well and can be mass produced.
The only reason it would take me out of the fantasy is if it didn't start off that way so it doesn't make sense to you an example for already established fantasy stories
You remember Lord Of The Rings? 😁 Of course you do, the most influential piece of fantasy media ever 🙂 NOW PUT FRODO IN A THONG, IMAGINE HIM IN A THONG, DO IT RIGHT NOW 👹👹
I feel the same way when playing video games and seeing how different the male and female characters run. Guys? Completely normal. Girls? Gotta get that sexy swaying hip action!! It frustrates me so much.
As a woman THANK YOU FOR KAING THESE POINTS. It makes me feel so gross when a cool game comes out and I realize it's just a harem fantasy for me. Like The First Descendant.
Same, and when u get to choose between female and male but the female is so overly sexualized and is wearing a lot less clothes compared to the male... it's so unnecessary, I feel cold just by looking at the female designs 😕
You're not pulling examples from stories or games or movies. You're pulling examples from people's portfolios. You're searching out erotic work and being surprised that its erotic. Is there bikini armor in Rings of Power or House of the Dragon or Game of Thrones. This is cherry picking.
Why can’t they just make it equal? Everyone in a chain mail bikini. Owlbear in a chain mail bikini, demon king in a chain mail bikini, gandalf in a chain mail bikini
Dude, THANK YOU! I feel like it’s so hard for men to understand the dissapointment we feel for always having to be represented by the ”sexy” character. Sure, its fine sometimes, but having it be a default just feels… restricting somehow
Fantasy is about un-REAL parts of our world taking place in the world of the action. We don't have magic, so if you put magic into our world, bam, urban fantasy. If you build a world anew and put magic in there, bam, a fantasy setting, it can be high or low fantasy, but it already is something un-REAL, it has elements that do not exist. Still, in that scenario, one has to put in there realistic aspects of our world, because that is required for immersion. Knights are going to wear realistic sets of armors, because dangers like monsters might exist, and dangers like bandits and other knights are bound to be there. And the problem with female "armors" is because there are not only un-REAL, like idk, those made of dragon hide. They are also un-REALISTIC. If a man needs that much armor for protection, then why would woman need anything less? If they don't need armor in the first place, then why do mean wear so many, and why don't women wear regular clothes? That would be much more comfortable, so it's un-REALISTIC for them to not wear "male" amounts or regular clothes. And I don't know why is that mostly the case for armor?! Because wizards, witches, mages. They are, of course, still more... un-REALISTIC on the female part, but after much, much scrolling. Most of the time in my expirience? Just women in robes. Some more elegant, some more practical, but they are far better than "knights and warriors" in female arts. I don't know why is it like that, but there is, I think, much difference on the horny scale here.
Also its important to note women are pretty much the only ones who have to deal with this shit and male characters are never yassified to be made sexy. Sexy characters are fine but it automatically being applied to women and only women is objectively sexist
I mean there's been multiple video bu this guy saying that, it's werid ethier way it's just that men are ethier fully covered or just shirtless it's just a bit jaring when every girl is in a bikini for no reason
True... It's part of the reason it took me long to get into liking fantasy because the media was saturated with either men or bikini outfits. I really appreciate when a female character is taken more seriously and not just used for her body and the "sex sells" policy
Same I actually find fully armored sleek elegant feminine designs far more attractive rather than "let's just show as much boob and ass as possible" like if you're going to have your characters basically naked then why bother putting them in armor at all? It's just dumb.
Even I, a woman, don't mind fantasy armor bikinis. Unless it's a game marketed as a 'historically accurate medieval' game, show, or movie, then I don’t care what they use for armor. If I didn't like it, then it's not the game for me.
"it's fantasy, not YOUR fantasy" love it
Gay
@@jeanbethencourt1506 help why’d that make me laugh
Except that If im the one making It, It IS my fantasy and not YOUR fantasy, so If i want hot people in metalic underwear thats what ill have.
my fantasy is a dwarven woman in realistic maille armor 🤤
@@Nerobyrne Honestly completely covered armour is way sexier than bikini armours
If a woman is dressed like that for armor I'm going to assume it's a succubus trying to fool a dumb knight.
This could honestly make for a funny scene. Succubus trying to seduce a knight in barely-there armor (because it doesn't know about how impractical it is) and the knight is like "why are you not wearing proper armor lady, this is a battlefield" all confused.
Yes
@@DeathSurgeonKidYou should consider be a writer I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO READ THIS!!!!!! ❤
@@Momohime_Chan I am trying to be a writer but I can't take full credit for this idea...
There is a game called Succuquest, where you play as a succubus who turns into different people's ideal girls for platforming and she turns into a kinda dumb bimbo knight with such armor for certain obstacles.
I'll admit, the game is fun and funny but definitely 18+ rating and only in demos currently.
@@metageek7878 mhm
The annoying part is that they act like that armour does anything other than be uncomfortable and highly impractical
Exactly, I doubt metal underwear could be any amount of comfortable
@@TheSillyFrog742 all the edges digging into the softest and most sensitive parts of your body, standing in the sun would hurt like a bitch bc the metal gets hot, and they also seem to forget that humans are kinda gross, we sweat, we have dead skin and small hairs everywhere that get shed, and there's a reason there's liners for women's underwear
Like?? If they wanna draw pinups then they can draw pinups, but it's annoying when they pretend it's literally anything else
@TheSillyFrog742 amour never was meant to be comfortable. Car seatbelts are also not the most comfortable guess waht they should provide some protection so comfortable isn't that much of an Deal here
@@AdmiralHippster I think metal underwear wouldn't just be uncomfortable, it would lead to wounds in the specific areas because of friction. Trust me, just normal female underwear can hurt if it's too tight and rubs your skin there. Metal can hurt you a lot more than just cloth which can rub your skin red
@@AdmiralHippster yeah but there's a difference between "it's not that comfortable" and "it's really fucking uncomfortable and actively painful and impractical"
Either make everyone fully covered or almost naked. Equality
I always felt LOTR was missing something but never could put my finger on it. Thank you, Deja, for showing me what it was missing, Frodo in a thong
_master frodo_
Oh no… what have I done!?
Would make me happy lol
@dejatwo what have you created...
That should've been one of the emotes selected XD
“We’re talking about fantasy, NOT your fantasies” yea he ate
No he didn't. It LITERALLY is the artist's fantasy. He doesn't get to decide what the artists choose to do with their characters. If you don't like it, make your own art and be the change you wanna be instead of trying to cry bully people into shelving their characters because you're scared of skin.
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about
@@strikingsarcophagus thise armors doing anything but protection, and i think he explained well enough of why those armors are bad if you would just listen.
@@strikingsarcophagusYeah but he can criticise them for doing it, just like you're doing now. Are you being a crybully? No, that would be silly, because you're just being critical of Deja, Deja is doing the same thing. Are we to assume that you don't want Deja to change his content, despite your obvious criticisms?
The fact is that statements about authorial control in response to criticism of the author's creation will always be inherently hypocritical. How can you criticise on the basis that someone else's criticism is going to change the work?
@@lightningninja6905 Except what he's doing isn't criticism that has any basis. Not anything objective. He's not pointing out anything with anatomy or the color or shading being off, or anything that would genuinely help the artists get better at their art. He's just shitting on what they choose to draw.
This is genuinely like someone walking up to an artist who draws rabbits, saying "Erm, I don't like that you draw so many rabbits. Here's how I'd draw the rabbits to make them look like cats" and then calling it criticism.
When I criticize his content, I'm criticizing it on the very basis his content is built on. He built this channel on baseless, stupid criticisms that hold zero weight in any discussion. His criticisms are unproductive, lack any nuance or context, and just serve to have fangirls like you clap like seals and laugh at artists work.
And when he's using artists work to paint some sexist narrative about women in fantasy and attempting to use their art as a vessel for getting across that narrative, he's being inherently harmful.
So let's compare.
My criticisms:
- He negatively impacts artists
- He's against creator autonomy
- His criticisms are baseless and lack weight
- He doesn't actually try to improve artists work and complains exclusively about the content they choose to draw despite that not being a valid measure for critique
His critiques:
- Hmmm the armor has too much skin waaaaah
“It’s fantasy not your fantasies” 🥶🥶
Thanks for talking about the problem
@@rainbow-hc8lb but it is the artists fantasies. There isn’t a rule book to fantasy just because you don’t like it.
That`s a bit of a flawed argument though since fantasy literally is a person`s fantasies.
@@Morten_Storvikthe guy didn’t think it through, his fantasies isn’t the artist fantasies either
The argument is so out of touch like he's complaining about FANTASY female characters being UNREALISTIC and IMPRACTICAL and when people tell him it's FANTASY and it is meant to be UNREALISTIC he go out and say "iTs FaNtAsY nOt YoUr FaNtAsY" like wtf that has to do with the argument? It's just pure "Ermmm aksually 🤓👆🏻" plus it's the Author Fantasy like get over with it
@@donutthepop5297 as long as the artist doesn't try to argue why it's practical, I don't care. The artist likes hot women, cool with me. But if they try to argue, that it's "practical" and shit like that... sorry, but no.
I'm just a guy who can admit that those women look good... but I would rather meet them in a strip club then them claiming to be soldiers who fight for my survival... if you get what I mean.
There was a time i was trying to draw a female knight and searched online for references and I couldn't find a single one that didn't show skin, i had to put full armor and there were still some results where it did show skin.
Tbh if you wanna got segsy chick wearing chainmail th0ng, do it with sorcerers or mages, or like any magic users, because they can logically wear anything they want most of the time and are usually not in the frontlines. It'd be better if they wear armour or magically transform into an attack helicopter, but they have the most freedom so you can feel free to dress them up with whatever. You want a chest plate with a big heart in the middle? You can! How about 4 inch stilettos? Make them fly! Or maybe just a piece of 2 inch string?.
..Cause magic users can just boom!, magik shield, attak blocked. But you should also do it with the wizards for bonus points btw.
But don't do it with barbarians or frontline people, if you want to, give them full on body paint or some jewellery for historically accuracy, or give everyone (including females) a cod piece. They are frontline people. If you want a armoured knight, the female version must be similar. Giving the same outfits as magic users outfits I mentioned above, but metal, is very impractical, possibly hard to move, and just a big Wowie my heart, lungs, and all my organs are uncovered, I have no protection so I can distract enemies! Yeah sure, even if your that hot and even with fantasy logic, there WILL be at the very least, a gay knight or something that will chop you up like you some ucumber or something.
@@thuriusth5997 I mean, it would literally be the same as male armor, so no reason to search female knight armor if that’s what you’re going for
@@pantherlloyd3795 yes, exactly this! Armor is shaped as it is to deflect attacks most effectively, and then padding worn under it to cushion and soften blows, and in the case of plate also strapped to the body to fit. Aside from being made of a smaller overall size if needed, the armor would still be the *exact* same shape and proportions as the armor males wear, so unless the helmet is off there's literally no visible difference.
If they were to make the armor distinctly drawn in at the waist for curves or something, it would be usable, but less effective, and if they had the idea of making plates shaped around the breasts to "make room for them" that would be a disaster waiting to happen. Chest armor would have room for them without being shaped like that, and such a shape would deflect any stab in that area right into the groove and then you get run through right through the chest, rather than the armor being bulged outwards and deflecting stabs harmlessly to the sides like armor is intended to do. (This issue is also a common issue with male fantasy armor with pectoral shaped plates, that's also the same fatal flaw).
Aside from curves or the chest being shaped, there isn't any appreciable difference between the male/female form that armor would need to account for that isn't already fixed by the normal "make sure it's the right size" thing that's kinda important for every individual wearing it regardless of gender.
@@thuriusth5997 I can’t help but find this comment and pretty much the bent of this entire comments section (and channel) to be disingenuous. I did the exact same search to see if this was actually the case, and turns out it’s not. A google image search reveals pic after pic after pic of women clad in full armor (some more form fitting than others, but nothing overtly sexualized) with no skin other than the face to be shown. “Anime female knight armor” also all fully clad with just a bit more emphasis to the size of their busts, because, you know, anime. Even “fantasy female knight armor” has a few pics where the legs aren’t covered but still mostly fully clad in armor. It seems to me people are specifically looking up lewd images just to complain about them.
The funniest thing ever is that the same ppl that argue that bikini armour "isn't supposed to be realistic" often also argue that sexism has to be included if a fantasy setting is loosely inspired to medieval times (which is like, a hella big chunk of the fantasy genre)
Or, even more fun to deal with, "Why are there black people in my nondescript, vaguely Older European fantasy setting? That's not accurate to the actual-"
@@infinityblayde1973as if europe and africa and the middle east weren’t trading with each other the whole time…
@@daizy7441 or trading eachother
@@infinityblayde1973 "Not accurate? How do you think they were racist?"
@@daizy7441how do they think Europeans got all that gold?
and now because that is the default i don’t really find sexy armor sexy anymore. it just looks weird. if good armor was the default for both men and women, and occasionally there was sexy armor it would make it way better
Ex-LoL player here. And the same issue I have with the sexy champs. When they started to be a thing, it was cool, like yeah why not, some more diverse characters tropes, then it became the new default and every single one champ becomes more boring than the last an I haven't seen a single decent monster that makes me feel it's a fantasy game. So far the most impressive champs I got to enjoy during the sexy epidemic was a jackass space dragon, a hippy tree guy, a surrogate father, an eldritch horror monster, an artistic serial killer, a catfish, an actual woman that can break your bones, the Violater from Spawn, a bug, a land shark, a business woman, a communist, a boomer bear, the funny champion, some rats, an actual rat, the only sexy character that makes sense to be sexy, a motherfucking JoJo reference, a dawg, a racist bird, Nickyboi's daughter, the MAN, someone OK to my books and pretty much it that comes to my mind, the rest either are there to my liking or completely forgettable in my opinion and them been popular doesn't justify how lazy and lack of love for those characters.
I don't get people that say that tbh. Just look at the overwhelming difference in armor of a male knight vs a female knight, or the gender bent version of said night. It's quite sad honestly.
The problem is they don't really notice it because they don't take female characters seriously by default. This bs is so normalized that to them pointing it out feels like you're criticising the fundamental essence of fantasy anything because that's all they watch
It's very frustrating
@@lintreethere’s also so many existing characters with pretty modest clothing even if they’re not realistic. It shows people can create such things. But at the same time other artists will legit just bypass it all together and either draw it for the clothes to be destroyed or something.
Also, historically speaking, there was little to no difference between male and female armor.
First of all, because in most contexts warrior women were decently rare, so there wasn't any need to make female specific armor, they just modified male armor to suit their bodies.
Secondly, because most female warriors DIDN'T want to advertise they were women. Nobody's playing nice in a war, and if your adversary realized you had some sort of disadvantage they were absolutely going to exploit it - and women are usually less physically strong than guys. Also, they didn't want to get r*ped.
Thirdly - and here I speak from experience - once you put all the appropriate protective layers, either you have an extreme hour glass womanly shape or whatever curves you have they're going to be smothered down and pretty much invisible. Look at modern days Olympic fencers, kendo practitioners or anyone who competes in a sport that requires extensive body armor: are female and male athletes really that different looking once they're fully suited up?
Its because its not made for you. The content is made this way because it simply sells better. I used to play a game called genshin impact, the more sexy the character = more money. It’s simple economics, if this upsets you then go somewhere else, but I assure you that you and everyone who thinks like you doesn’t even make a dent in the market.
@@woundead3232 let the market decide and don't whine when your characters are wokeified then? Speak with your wallet. Or maybe you're gonna run your mouth anyway just like here...
So the solution is to make sexy and unrealistic male fantasy armor.
I guess
As a woman that loves fantasy, it's so stupid to see pretty much all the designs being over sexualized and looking extremely uncomfortable while having no utility * cough cough metal underwear *
It annoys me so much and it just feels incredibly nice whenever I see someone like you point out just how silly it is
*all* the designs being that way may be boring and repetitive so I can give you the point on that, but what is wrong with any individual case when something like the 300 movies also exist?
100% agree, but also is it bad that I'd rock the hell outta the third one? Except for the f*ckin metal thigh strap thing.
And female KNIGHTS who literally have gave up their childhood to become knights and should have their own fiefs due to their position, they have NO DIALOGUE! Like the male knight is the only one allowed to speak???
@@leohenderson2390the armor you see in that movie is not the default for male armor. So this can't really be comperd to female armor.
I mean.... metal cod pieces existed and were.... embellished in size. So while the metal bikini is impractical and useless, it did have a male equivalent real life version. The rest is scuffed though and can kindly leave.
I want equality in fantasy armor. Either the men get the bikini armor with heels too. Or the women get full body armor that is actually practical.
Pick your poison.
I mean 300 movies do exist, and that's even based off of real events (exaggerated but real) and real people who were documented not wearing battle underwear and capes
That's why I'm mostly ok with Genshin armor. Everybody gets the sexy. Crop tops and boob windows and unnecessary belts for all! (Could use more guys in heels tho)
Yup same here. Characters have over the top outfits with frills, bows, high heels. @@pyrrhicvictoly
I love Dark Sun art for exactly that reason - both 2e and 4e art have armor and clothes design for everyone to enjoy. Want badass outfits? You get it. Suggestive? Art with both male and female characters in suggestive poses exist. Suits of armor are similarly (un)practical for everyone.
It is just sad that Dark Sun is considered "problematic" for modern wotc, even though Dark Sun is probably most progressive setting of dnd in it's themes - environmentalism and general theme of greedy evil people in possition of power destroying the world just for little more power is honestly great for heroic adventures. But depiction of evil people doing evil things is equal to agreeing with it, apparently.
@@pyrrhicvictoly Same here. I will take the sexy female characters if the men are hot too. Hoyo knows how to cater to all genders
"It's fantasy, not your fantasies"
Brazen. I LOVE IT
Except a lot of the ones he reviews, are clearly the artists fantasies. As in they are pin-up art, created to be sexualized.
It's like going to a P*rn artist and complaining about their art being sexualized and just the artist's fantasy.
@@Lulus-Regrets but it is the artists fantasies. There isn’t a rule book to art just because you don’t like it.
I'm not imposing a rule book (and neither is DejaTwo). He's pointing out the misogynistic themes of typical female fantasy armour, which sucks. It's art that artists are free to produce, and that I'm free to criticize.
And yeah, I find it off-putting and gross to consistently see the stark differences between how men and women are portrayed in fantasy armour. These artists' demonstration that their fantasy is women exposed in battle and men more realistically covered pisses me off, especially since it's such a widespread trend.
And I consider DejaTwo's phrasing a clever and concise way to express that sentiment, which is why I highlighted it.
@@Lulus-Regrets This isn’t criticism. He’s plainly attacking the artists, and wether he meant it or not his thoughts are bringing hate to the artists. Just look at the comments for five minutes. Most if not all the top comments are most definitely not valid Criticism made in good faith to better the artist, but an echo chamber of hatred to a group of artists that are portrayed to be way more common than they really are. Truly, think about your day to day life. Imagine you are an artist, spending day in and out practicing, finally developing the confidence to freely share your art online, and your first outing is A RUclips VIDEO WITH THOUSANDS OF LIKES CALLING YOUR ART WORTHLESS AND MYSOGNISTIC. after you simply had the audacity to share what you drew for free to the internet or even just shared to a small community that somehow found its way on google. Please, thoughts like these and assuming all artists that draw skin are mysogintic parent basement dwelling monsters is just as hurtful as these mysogonistic drawings are. It sucks you don’t like this art, and saying why is good, but claiming it is horrible and blaming the artist for being mysogonistic when you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE CITCUMSTANCE OF THE ART’S POST is OBSURD. If you truly care about this art being a “problem” go online, find the websites these pieces of arts originate from, and have discussions with the artist to figure out why they draw so many women in these styles. Talk with them, they don’t bite, look at their history, see if they are drawing commissions or their own art to share, please there are so many steps you can take before calling people DISGUSTING FOR EVEN THINKING ABOUT DRAWING THIS
I agree that it's not okay to send hate to people over their art. I disagree that art (including art on the internet that has been shared for free) isn't fair game to critique.
I'm a writer; let's say I post multiple works to AO3 that contain themes many people consider to be racist, and let's say those themes are a common presentation among sci-fi fanfics.
I don't think it's cruel or wrong of someone to post examples of my writing (along with others) discussing the material they consider racist, why they think it's racist, and offer alternative fan fic examples they consider to be more respectful.
Do I think doxxing me over those hypothetical fics would be okay? No. Do I think people assuming that I'm an irredeemable piece of shit because I produced those works is okay? Also no.
So let me clarify my feelings towards the artwork that's been shown: it unsettles me. It disgusts me. As a woman, it makes me feel less welcome in fantasy spaces. As a feminist, it disturbs me that it is common to show women with scanty armor and men far more covered.
I don't assume these artists are assholes, or disgusting, or bad people. I certainly don't make assumptions about their living arrangements or that they are "basement dwelling monsters."
I do assume they are human beings (with considerable talent), who seem to have assumptions and ideas about women in fantasy that I could not more strongly disagree with.
One of the reasons I do appreciate these "Fantasy Armour" videos from DejaTwo is that it makes me feel seen and also addresses a widespread problem. Have you seen the videos where he includes the Pinterest searches for "orcs" vs "female orcs"? The blatant difference in sexualization is astonishing and so disappointing and deeply widespread.
I don't consider it realistic for me to go to each of those individual creators (or even, let's say, five of them) who produced those sexy female orcs and ask them their reasoning, because that would be exhausting, and then to go to each of the creators for the "female elf armour" search, and then the "female dwarf armour" search and ad infinitum.
This isn't an individual artist issue: it's an overarching feature of the fantasy genre. That's why I consider these videos of DejaTwo affirming and helpful, and why I'm not going to go to those individual artists because it isn't about them: it's about how female armour in the fantasy genre reflects real world misogyny (at least that's how I interpret it).
Even if those individual artists intentions aren't misogynistic or they don't identify as misogynists doesn't mean that the art is exempt from (what I perceive as) this problem in fantasy art.
Just because I don't feel fat-phobic and produce a movie featuring a side character that is quirky, loud, and fat, doesn't absolve the movie from the problematic theme of the "funny fat friend". It's harmful regardless of my individual intention because of how often that trope has been used to disregard fat people and keep fat actresses from being perceived as sexy or leading lady material.
I don't think that intention absolves impact.
The one time when women in chainmail bikinis works for me is when you are doing a setting where basically everyone is barely wearing anything. I am going to be a lot less critical of all the female warriors clad in chainmail bikinis if the men are mostly running around with nothing but a loincloth and oiled pecs for armor.
I want Monster Hunter armor to have, like, 5 different modes you can switch in the menu.
Default protective
Feminine protective
Feminine sexy
Masculine protective
Masculine sexy
It'd be way more work, but it would allow people to have the choice, instead of locking things to gender.
wilds is actually doing away with gender locked armor !! u get to choose what set you want now :33 I can be a skimpy guy in a dress or a modest, protected woman now it's epic
@kittylugia 😭😭😭 good! Was such a huge turn off in MHWorld
@@kittylugia I'm not keeping up with the Wilds Stuff too much, but I'm glad to hear it. I just worry that certain sets may be locked to skimpy or modest, which of course will be fine, especially with layered equipment and the like, but it'll be sad if some sets lose certain aspects players love in trying to hit a middle, or picking a side.
@@micopen6719in my opinion the best case scenario from a reasonable player perspective in every armour has an alpha and beta set with alpha being practical and beta being more aesthetic and/or showey to cover the widest bases.
@@micopen6719only 4 full sets were shown in a playable demo at Gamescom, but it had men in skirts and very short shorts. So I wouldn't be that surprised if Capcom actually committed to the thing fully
If fantasy is supposed to be unrealistic then why are male armor almost always very realistic and not sexualized ?
Real and realistic are 2 different things
I wouldn't call most male armor realistic either - generic male armor is often bulky metal box with barely visible human in it. Basicaly - another side of "ugly unpractical fantasy armor" coin.
It is not sexualized though, i totaly agree with it. Probably because it is harder to fantasize of being an attractive man if you aren't, or something, idk why generic male characters are so bland on top of hiding in bulky metal suits.
@@notsochosenone5669 overly bulky all covering armour is created to hide the neckbeard inside
@@notsochosenone5669 overly sexualized men do exist in fantasy with the barbarian, orc and fantasy Viking and stuff like it. Just bc a buff shirtless dude posing isn't hot to you doesn't mean it isn't hot for someone else
Male armor in fantasy is the farthest thing from realistic 😂.
Blud like why is the male armor (more)realistic then????
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According to their logic women can't have fantasies about men in overly sexualized armor #MakeItEqual
*Shows the most unrealistic armor ever*
Please show me those, because the ones shown to be comparable are for heatstrokes not for protection
Cause men being openly sexual is called being creepy
Whoosh @@legendaresn6983
@@legendaresn6983 They probably mean it like "Why is it not sexualized as hell?"
@@legendaresn6983they’re not showing a male realistic armor compared to unrealistic female armor, they’re comparing the artist different interpretation of armor for bother gender
I would love to know who decided to create the trope of “girls = sexy. Boys = strong” because I have a sword in my garage that needs to taste blood
straight men probably like tf kinda question is that??
@CTonYT yea but theres always a source of origin for words and tropes..... although yes racism exists and existed...its still traced to someone (a white man ofc) who invented race as a means to divide us..... regardless
Its a joke, calm down
@@galemisoki6320 thats awfully racist of you to assume a white man created racism as much id like to disagree humans are inherently kinda "racist" more like thinking of themselves as greater thats why sexism, classism, and racism exists its like G a constant throughout history. also im asian in case u were gonna pull that too how do ppl not think racism against white ppl is racism too is beyond me
@@galemisoki6320 also i do recognize the joke thats why my comment is phrased the way it is, sarcastically.
Also, girls can be sexy and strong and, above all, have the common sense to dress appropriately for each activity they do. 😅
I do Historical European Martial Arts, and everyone wears a similar set of bulky protective layers and body armor (which looks cool and badass but gets sweaty and gross two seconds into a sparring); guys and gals are pretty much indistinguishable once they're fully suited up.
Still, once we finish training, take a shower and go have drinks together some of the ladies like to glam up and wear stunningly sexy outfits.
If you want your fantasy lady knight to be a sexy piece of ass, simply give her a badass protective armor AND a slutty 'chill at the tavern' outfit. 😅
A woman can like to be sexually provocative and have the goddam sense of wearing a full plate in a melee battle.
Fantasy is a genre not a fetish enabler
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Fantasy definition: the faculty or activity of imagining impossible or improbable things. 🤷♂️
it's both
It can be both. The. Problem is that a non fetishy adventure story still puts the female characters in fetish gear while the Men are normal or at least stylized for the story. With no explanation at all. Its like if the basic hero of every story attire was a gimp suit for no apparent reason.
Imagine Luke Skywalker but he's in a gimp suit with his ass out. No one else is, just him, like his father before him.
Frieren
I mean, as an artist I get it because it’s done by both sides. Women are hot. No one enjoys drawing guys. So everyone draws hot women. It’s a very repeatable and observable thing lol
I meant this as a huge amount of women drawn like this ends up being drawn by women themselves lol
….my guy I’m a girl who hangs around other girls who draw hot guys. Like. That’s a thing. Women do that. I even have a stark difference with how I design women vs men because I enjoy drawing more cartoony silly women
Bro i'm a male artists and i really enjoy drawing hot guys (i'm asexual), so think that it's just a them problem and not something every artist agree with
@@SomethingUpbeat this is weird. you are weird.
Is nobody gonna mention that in the first image, the girl only has ONE ARMORED HIGH HEEL and a normal one?
Edit:Her ENTIRE outfit is asymmetrical
Nddjxjnsdn yeah like what's up with that 😂😅❓️
Girl be limping across the battlefield
OMG I just noticed that 😂
She only got one armoured hip too
@@smuglumine9379 I just noticed that. Her entire "armor" set is asymmetrical in the worse way possible.
Think it’s totally fair to have oiled up men in thongs on the battlefield every so often if we’ve got bikini armor.
I agree with this statement
Based
May I introduce you to the barbarian? Maybe a fantasy Viking? An orc perhaps if you like more exotic tastes? You don't see much cloth on these buff AF dudes and I can assure you someone finds them very sexy
@@insomniacnerd5592 they do have that tho, so I don’t understand the complaint
You'd probably like Frank Frazetta's art.
And it's usually those same people that get upset when an author either doesn't make their fantasy work have sexism or decides to not go for hyperattractive armor. Creative expression goes both ways
As a guy, something that bugs me alot about male fantasy armor is how bulky and huge it always is, like I just want more down to earth, cool looking knight armors, for both dudes and dudettes
“Um This is the Internet. This is where people come to complain about dumb stuff”
No but seriously this type of people are so annoying
I don't hate some sexualisation, but it's near constant with women. It makes me feel uncomfortable when the majority of womens designs are sexy and completely unrealistic. It's obviously aimed at males for them to dote over and look at.
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I will die on this hill. A buff half naked barbarian man is the same as a bikini knight maiden. They serve the same purpose for eye candy. It's no one's fault it's not your cup of tea
Why is the immediate reaction to someone calling out sexism, racism, etc., is “it’s fiction/fantasy”?
As if said piece of fiction isn’t one of many doing the exact same thing. Repetition of things like that should be questioned.
its so annoying omg i think atp it's because people feel stupid and can't cash in something important so they gotta make everyone feel like they're overreading things because they genuinely have 0 info processings of the discussion🙏🙏🙏
because it quite literally is fiction(especially nsfw drawings just meant to be sexy), and any perceived "sexism" or "Racism" is often overblown mobbing by reactionaries who arnt fans of the IPs.
ex: WOW sexual Dimorphism, Orks are black people, Not enough diversity in witcher.
Yeah, idk what is wrong with some people, like most of the criticism isn't even about the inclusion of racism, it's about the way the racism is portrayed. Like you can have heavy topics like racism in a fantasy setting and not handle it terribly.
Fuckin Skyrim has racism because the Stormcloaks are an analog for the Confederacy, and while it's not handled the best, you can see what their intentions were.
But when you get fuckin Harry Potter racism, where house elves are the "slave race" and any attempt at a civil rights movement, is viewed as being "an annoying busy body" that's when people have a problem.
Same goes for the kids movie Robots, Robots is an analysis of class struggle, and it's really good, the fever dream that it is.
Meanwhile the Bee Movie tries to do the same thing, but it handles it like shite, and as a result it's an unfunny mess, not a labor of passion but of money.
@@PetalRose450
I genuinely don't want to know what lead you to say "the Storm Cloaks are an analog for the Confederacy"
but its clear you are one of the last people who should be allowed to talk on this topic for saying it.
@@SmolStall Have you played the game?
Skyrim (the South) being part of the Legion (the Union) and the Legion (Union) is trying to blend cultures in Skyrim and make it more diverse. The Stormcloaks (Confederates) are super racist and prejudiced and want to divide from the Legion (Union) and be independent. The only real difference is that the Stormcloaks didn't support the return of slavery, because slavery still exists in Skyrim.
It's a shitty little uprising by a buncha racists that were mad because civil rights were progressing, even though those civil rights are still non-existent. That's the confederacy, being racist was literally their defining trait. Just like the Stormcloaks.
I think many people confuse "being realistic" with "being believable". The latter is more important for fictional stories. For example Leona from LoL would realistically be quite restricted in her movement. But she at least seems like a badass knight.
And let's be honest, it looks ridiculous. Like ain't no way you can believe some chick wears that to battle without having to purposefullyignore logic, no matter how fantasy it is.
We don’t want no metal bikinis, we want metal bikini equality!!
Yes
Personally my fantasy is that women are respected and not sexualized.
But putting Frodo in that outfit would DO things to Sam.
Someone else commented this, and I am legally obligated to share the curse:
*Master* Frodo.
Amen to both of these
"Sam will kill him if he tries anything"
"Magic exists, therefore logic doesn't." Re-framing it this way takes a lot of the wind out of their sails.
This man is doing justice for the girlies and hyper-feminine peeps
Right?! I absolutely love him! I'm so sick of the hypersextualization of women. Why is it ok to do that to women? It's disgusting!!
Same, some guys complain about him complaining about the problem but us girlies are just thankful that someone's listening to this ridiculous problem for once... I wanna see more badass females in badass armor too, like hello?
@@Pearl393 Either badass female armor or if you want to keep the metal bikini put a man also in a bikini, I don't mind either🗣️‼️
@@Xerochecksout
LMAOO YEAAA GIVE US NOTHING ON BOTH OR GIVE US EVERYTHING ON BOTH
@@Xerochecksoutthing is, man in a bikini is ugly af, while woman in a bikini is hot, especially if the woman is gorgeous ya know. That's what I, as a man, want to see in the media that I constantly consume, I like that and I wanna to keep like that!
As a woman, I don't mind sexy female or male designs, as long as they're not objectifying. And that's imo exactly what's happening with these armours
PLEASE DO A BERSERK ARMOUR RATING PLEASE
REAL!!
Don't get your hopes up. I was hoping for Bg3 armour examinations. I seriously doubt Deja would even TOUCH Beserk due to how dark it is.
@@mineflameblade8788 It shouldn’t matter bro it’s just armour I’m not asking him to give a series review
@@RedHotChiliPepper31 it shouldn't matter. But people have looked at Beserk with scorn before.
@@mineflameblade8788I’m sure Deja of all people will understand, he’s into darker stuff as well like Dead by Dayligjt even though that is a bit of a lighter example. Plus he reviewed some Elden ring armours without getting into the game’s lore at all, that game is based off of Bersekr and it is insanely dark. Also he’s just very reasonable in general I think.
I would agree with you until I met my friend 2 years ago, I gave them a dnd character design idea and they actually responded "But the armor looks boring, I wanna wear as little as possible" She is a woman, isn't attracted to women and we have made close to 50 dnd characters together and almost all of them have this same style, yes even the paladins and fighters. I just let people be people, its fantasy why should we put rules on it for other people.
Facts. I couldn't agree more.
It's out of my hands anyway
Sometimes the designs really takes me out from the world. Seeing a bikini armor is like seeing a cyberpunk suit in medieval fantasy
Every single one of these videos trying to make fantasy armor equal with fully clothed women are having the opposite effect on me.
I want the sexy male armor
Also it's so funny bc I'm cool with it when it's pulled off well (dress up the spellcasters no matter gender), it's just VERY RARELY pulled off well
I’ve always had the idea that if you include sexy armor have the spoiled and intitled nobels wear the armor and show how ineffective the armor is
@@user-qz7nd8iz9d that could work well!
"now imagine how women feel when they are constantly portrayed like this" as a lesbian, i see it as an absolute win
He's right. I'm a girl and love fanstasy, when I get the choice bewteen Male or Female character selection I off the bone choice Male cause Female armor will always be the Bikini outfit or barely has armor on 😒.
This is so real I do the same thing.
That's the reason I chose the male Rover.
Also, in some games, the stats change based on gender. That's a reason to pick one over the other as well.
@@claudinelopez5177literally same 😭😭 wuthering waves is cool and everything but seeing the girls wear panties as shorts or something while the guys are wearing normal clothes just really throws me off, I'd be called a whore if I were to go out like that in real life.
@@stealthbonus yeah, that's dumb as hell. Even in "fantasy" or FPS games, women get the shitty end of the stick.
"We're talking about Fantasy, not YOUR fantasy"
>Proceeds to specifically target art drawn by artist who's only intent was to make a sexy character design and nothing else.
what a hero.
As a woman who likes fantasy; I really appreciate these videos.
As a woman who enjoys fantasy, I love seeing proper armor on women and also how they make it look interesting. A metal bikini? Cliche, booooooring... A full suit of armor with cool engraving and a practical dress? Riveting, unusual, creative
"Riveting" heh.
I just realized, knights would probably wanna wear as much metal and as few cloth as possible in world with dragons that breath fire.
But metal heats up in fire.
@@cinnamonroll_ofdeath And cloth lights on fire.
I'd say it'd likely be a blend of materials. Obviously metal is (to a certain degree) flameproof, but having that touch your skin, even through a layer or two of cloth, would be hell.
Thick plate on the outside covering the main areas, and a durable, flame-resistant leather on the inside to insulate and fill in the gaps.
@@claudinelopez5177 you can rip off clothes, you die inside the armor
If there are dragons, then there should be magic armor that prevents cooking you inside. This is not always true, but it's a good plan
It bugs me so much when people act like videos like this are just "Sexual character design is all bad! Everyone needs to be wearing potato sacks!" when in actuality it's simply calling out hypocrisy.
What I feel is a great example to show that sexualized female armor can work and be great is Metal Gear Rising. Mistral works because while yes, she's designed to look like she's got on a skintight jumpsuit, but also the main character (who is a man) is designed to look like he's wearing a Borrat-style banana hammock and is wearing combat high heels.
If you want the women to wear metal bikinis, you better be prepared to include metal assless chaps and speedos
There’s a difference between realism and believability.
I can tolerate some men wanting the most uncomfy non armor for ladies in their fantasies, but I want more art of women dressed in bulky armor ready to kick a villains ass.
Man this guy has healthy hair.
It's good that someone is making a point about this on the internet
I just watched solo leveling and I really liked the designs of all the S-rank hunters.
Because yes, they all seem to fit the general archetype of each hunter, but also at that level I get the sense that they wear armor more for the potential buffs than the actual physical protection that the metal provides (I’ve only watched through the anime and just started the LN, so correct me if I’m wrong).
But at that point, why not have some fun with your design? It’s also implied that the S-rank hunters are basically celebrities, so stylized armor also help make them distinct.
I love the designs as well, the manhwa is soo good.
Fantasy and escapism are great, doesn’t excuse you from not putting together a coherent story. I say the same thing about magic systems. Good writing is still important in creating a fantasy world, and logic. Obviously, if it’s just a straight up harem type shit, who cares? But a complex fantasy system needs to make sense.
Exactly! If it's a harem fantasy, I expect all the people to be gorgeous and in skimpy cloths. Fan service is almost a requirement. But if it's something marketed as fantasy, I want *plot*. I can barely believe/ignore all the characters being attractive. But if all the girls are dressed in skimpy cloths I can't become immersed in the story.
And the thing is, there can be scantily dressed women in fantasy - but not every woman and within limits of logic. It just takes more work to make it believable in the story (ex. a succubus, a character that doesn't care about defense and likes to dress like that, a carefully written environmental cause, etc)
"It's fantasy, not your fantasies"✍️✍️✍️✍️✍️✍️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Flawd argument, don’t write it down and think about it first
@@ChonksChickenPotPie idc bro that line was great
@@guywhodoesnotsleep9728 its dumb
@@ChonksChickenPotPie it's perfect
It's dumb.
The irony of @dejatwo is that he's criticizing the every single artists who draw fictional women in metal-kinis which is the *_artist's OWN fantasy_*
he criticized them because *_the artist's fantasy design isn't his fantasies_*
🤡🤡🤡
The first chick has reached comic levels of aesthetic asymmetry
So if i put both men and woman in thongs in my story its okay?
Go for it
You: “IIMAGINE IT!”
Me: doesnt have the ability to create images in my head, and doesnt have to see frodo in a thong
Aphantasia really is a blessing sometimes😂
I'm glad you're making this point. It's one i often try to articulate. "Fantasy... for who?" Because its genuinely just shitty when the standard for fantasy is a power trip for men but a pinup magazine for women.
The only characters that should be wearing anything that horrendously sexualized is succubus or incubus characters
Everyone should get sexy armor
frodo in a thong makes me feel MORE immersed in the story thank you very much
This guy is going to be banned from Atlus headquarters at this rate
Fantasy is supposed to be realistic. It's just not supposed to be real. That's the distinction.
_It's fantasy, not your fantasies._
Is such a great way to put it. I often wonder how to best answer people like that because, answering "it's not realistic" won't convince them. So this is a good way to bring across what the problem is, thank you 😂
As a woman that loves fantasy I love your content and your defense against bum comments is very refreshing. ❤
It's a stupid defense.
This is why I like Conan the Barbarian. Everyone is half naked and oiled up. Can't complain about scantily clad female characters when everyone is scantily clad.
as a girl who watches, we love you for this stuff deja. the guys in these comments who dont get it just havent felt that kind of objectification. but dont worrry gentlemen, one day youll understand, amd youll feel as afraid of this bullshit in mainstream as we do! ❤
We passed that point well over 10 000 kilometres ago, my good sir.
I think it also kills creativity to only think in horny, I’m a xenoblade fan and I do love the 3 main titles but like a lot of people in do find some of designs in 2 to be overly horny since all but a few of the female blades are just cute/sexy girls unlike the male blades like dromarch and Wulfrik
There’s Herold who could of been a cool mechanical dragon but no she’s a sexy lady piloting a mech
There’s newt she could of been a more muscular woman but no she’s got an hour glass figure and they just gave her floating giant arms
There’s the design everyone know Dahlia could of been an adorable mood bunny but she has the biggest rack and somehow has bare feet high heels, I’m not kidding she has some kind of bone sticking out of the back of her feet so she always has high heels
I get that horny has its place, as a gay guy I’d put a lot of hot guys in anything I’d make, but variety is the spice of life
The noun in the phrase "Fantasy Armor" is _armor_ - if it's not functional as armor it's not fantasy _armor,_ it's fantasy _costuming._ Or fantasy lingerie.
I have a new goal. Draw a rlly buff guy in a bikini and call it fantasy armor
A lot of the time I end up resorting to out-of-armor portrayals of characters when looking for art for my dnd characters bc of this exact problem. I’m not an artist by any means so it’s not like I can create my own, and I’m too poor to commission and a real artist, so I have to use what’s available to me and when these are the prospects, it’s disheartening as a woman.
Easy solution , give the buff hot men skimpy armour as well
Those people gotta realize, it might not be real, but usually the armor works the same way it does in the real world. Could argue the armor is enchanted to protect even the bits that aren't covered, but A: to make that work I gotta ask how many wizards do you have working on the factories when they could be on the frontlines? And B: even if that's a reasonable suggestion, why do the men get full armor? If you can just enchant the armor to protect even the uncovered bits, surely it's much more sustainable to do the same for everyone.
These are (typically) soldiers, not contestants in a beauty pageant. The goal is making armor that works well and can be mass produced.
Help the nerd voice😭😭 i love seeing nice realistic looking female fantasy armour though!❤
The only reason it would take me out of the fantasy is if it didn't start off that way so it doesn't make sense to you an example for already established fantasy stories
That one in the middle of the short made me mad immediately. WHY IS EVERYTHING EXCEPT VITAL ORGANS COVERED?! WHAT IS THIS?!
You remember Lord Of The Rings? 😁
Of course you do, the most influential piece of fantasy media ever 🙂
NOW PUT FRODO IN A THONG, IMAGINE HIM IN A THONG, DO IT RIGHT NOW 👹👹
I feel the same way when playing video games and seeing how different the male and female characters run. Guys? Completely normal. Girls? Gotta get that sexy swaying hip action!! It frustrates me so much.
Aaand this is why celeste is the only game i play with humans in it
I get your point, I really get it, Galadriel in a chainmail bikini would indeed be weird. However, Frodo in a thong is an objectively good idea
Arwen, Galadriel and Eowyn are hot because they're competent, not because they're sexy™
Even more stupid is the desire to put every female fighter on high heels...
As a woman THANK YOU FOR KAING THESE POINTS. It makes me feel so gross when a cool game comes out and I realize it's just a harem fantasy for me.
Like The First Descendant.
Same, and when u get to choose between female and male but the female is so overly sexualized and is wearing a lot less clothes compared to the male... it's so unnecessary, I feel cold just by looking at the female designs 😕
For the record, i really really love the kyoshi warriors from Avatar, the Last Air Bender.
You're not pulling examples from stories or games or movies. You're pulling examples from people's portfolios.
You're searching out erotic work and being surprised that its erotic. Is there bikini armor in Rings of Power or House of the Dragon or Game of Thrones. This is cherry picking.
Why can’t they just make it equal? Everyone in a chain mail bikini. Owlbear in a chain mail bikini, demon king in a chain mail bikini, gandalf in a chain mail bikini
Dude, THANK YOU! I feel like it’s so hard for men to understand the dissapointment we feel for always having to be represented by the ”sexy” character. Sure, its fine sometimes, but having it be a default just feels… restricting somehow
I mean, it is fantasy. It’s either the fantasy of the artist, the audience they are trying to appeal to, or the person who commissioned it
Fantasy is about un-REAL parts of our world taking place in the world of the action. We don't have magic, so if you put magic into our world, bam, urban fantasy. If you build a world anew and put magic in there, bam, a fantasy setting, it can be high or low fantasy, but it already is something un-REAL, it has elements that do not exist. Still, in that scenario, one has to put in there realistic aspects of our world, because that is required for immersion.
Knights are going to wear realistic sets of armors, because dangers like monsters might exist, and dangers like bandits and other knights are bound to be there.
And the problem with female "armors" is because there are not only un-REAL, like idk, those made of dragon hide. They are also un-REALISTIC. If a man needs that much armor for protection, then why would woman need anything less? If they don't need armor in the first place, then why do mean wear so many, and why don't women wear regular clothes? That would be much more comfortable, so it's un-REALISTIC for them to not wear "male" amounts or regular clothes.
And I don't know why is that mostly the case for armor?! Because wizards, witches, mages. They are, of course, still more... un-REALISTIC on the female part, but after much, much scrolling. Most of the time in my expirience? Just women in robes. Some more elegant, some more practical, but they are far better than "knights and warriors" in female arts.
I don't know why is it like that, but there is, I think, much difference on the horny scale here.
I agree and I'm a heterosexual male
Fantasy should be realistic unless there's an in-setting reason on why it shouldn't be.
I don't know if I agree with this. It just has to uphold its in-world believability.
Also its important to note women are pretty much the only ones who have to deal with this shit and male characters are never yassified to be made sexy. Sexy characters are fine but it automatically being applied to women and only women is objectively sexist
either make no one sexy or everything sexy, no in between.
I like how people have this argument about female armor but never point out when games do sexy male armor. Either both are okay or neither are.
I mean there's been multiple video bu this guy saying that, it's werid ethier way it's just that men are ethier fully covered or just shirtless it's just a bit jaring when every girl is in a bikini for no reason
True... It's part of the reason it took me long to get into liking fantasy because the media was saturated with either men or bikini outfits. I really appreciate when a female character is taken more seriously and not just used for her body and the "sex sells" policy
As a lesbian, I find these wannabe knights just ridiculous, not attractive
Same I actually find fully armored sleek elegant feminine designs far more attractive rather than "let's just show as much boob and ass as possible" like if you're going to have your characters basically naked then why bother putting them in armor at all? It's just dumb.
I showed my mom Baldur's Gate 3, and she was shocked that none of the female characters were half naked (beginning of act 1)
Even I, a woman, don't mind fantasy armor bikinis. Unless it's a game marketed as a 'historically accurate medieval' game, show, or movie, then I don’t care what they use for armor. If I didn't like it, then it's not the game for me.
If I ever make fantasy armor design, I'm gonna make it equal. Either their both sexualized, or they both aren't.