I just wanted to say that regardless of the views in this episode from anybody, I commend Bruce for working really hard researching this topic and making it a good podcast. Good job Bruce!
Liam Hillman this better wind up in the comment show, I agree great job by Bruce, I always like watching this lot handle tough and potentially dicey topics like this just to see the contrast between the comedy and silliness and then the serious issues whilst still avoiding putting in their own political input to maintain a neutral ground, great job by them all
Wow, America has some crazy racist guys, its funny because they think that the color of the skin indentifies your race while we are all the same shit, Homo sapiens sapiens, but we all now that these people don't want anything to do with any "homo"
Putting aside how presumptuous your comment is, I just can't believe one person could be so eccentric(edit), but this is the internet, I've seen plenty of outlandish comments before.
Ignorant was not the best word, I should have said crazy, or eccentric, I'll go back and edit. Eccentric even works better with the following sentence.
Squiggy, I know right, he gotta be a troll. He's either a troll or one of those tin foil hat wearing crazies who think the Jews are behind everything. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's just a very creative troll, or an artist like you said.
Hey Funhaus, I just wanted to say that since you guys have started this channel, I've grown to love all of you and the things you do to make us and each other laugh every day. I'm 16 years old and last month I attempted to commit suicide by driving my beloved car into a retaining wall, and now I am living with the consequences of these actions. I know you hear this from literally thousands of people, but you guys really do help me get through the day. Whether It's James' skepticism, Elyse's impressions, Adam's lovable nature, Bruce's farts, Joel's singing, Spoole's stupid 1 dollar 1 hour rule, Lawrence's love for anime, or Peake's subtle but very encouraging advice, you guys always make me feel better about life and give me hope that I will live the life I dream of, thank you.
17:10 Being a second generation immigrant, when I start complaining about literally anything about living in America, my parents get extremely upset with me and call me ungrateful. They constantly say “this is the greatest country in the world.” Why would we want to keep out that kind of spirit and admiration?
This whole JonTron situation takes me back to that Sonic 06 Game Grumps moment where Jon says "look at these blacks". Thought it was pretty funny back then but now there's a bit of a different tone to it imo
Joe Kin it strikes up conversation and when people are forced to hear opinions they build options themselves. They may agree or disagree with what they're hearing. When entertainers become political there following hear there opinions and derive there own thoughts from something that is like a shock political action as opposed to asking the person "how do you feel about opinion A over opinion B". I think you're completely right.
Hey! Just wanted to make a comment regarding Adam's statement that the issue of race was a problem since prehistoric times. In actuality race was historically not a huge issue until more or less the enlightenment. The big divide was usually religious, cultural, or most probably tribal (originally). Now, if you think that constitutes racism in itself I would yield that it was essentially the pre-racial equivalent of racism, but the concept as we understand it today is in no way that simple. The development of the idea of a "race" of people is a really interesting one(EDIT, forgot to write "one" here). Most ancient civilizations defined themselves and others by cultural and geographical differences rather than physical ones, and had no real concept of race beyond largely-explanatory myths. In the era of "Christendom" the belief was that all people were descended from the sons of Noah, and the Islamic world more or less agreed, though developed more scientific observations due to their proximity to Africa and the "Orient". The development of "Scientific Racism" is unique in its devastating impact on peoples' mindsets. The Enlightenment focus on science and fundamental differences between races set the trend for the next several centuries of modern racism. It is no coincidence that this coincided with Colonialism, the first truly race-based slavery institutions, and the overall advancement of European society to a perceived position of superiority over other people. To say racism began there would be an oversimplification, as even the ancient Sumerians regarded the people living in the hills as "barbarians" and called themselves "the black-headed people" referencing their hair-colour, but the concept itself is of critical importance and I believe it is imperative to our understanding today to see how racism has no real legs to stand on. It was literally created out of thin-air and permeated into every aspect of our society artificially through outright propagandization. It's a unifying and comforting feeling to belong to a "race" in some ways, I suppose, but the concept did not and could not have existed until essentially the first step towards pseudo-globalization occurred. I know this may seem out of place and critical. Just know I mean no disrespect to Adam, just want to address what I believe to be a common misunderstanding the world could truly benefit from rectifying.
I don't know if you're referring to the Quetzalcoatl myth or more recent contact with isolated populaces, but the concept of race as we understand it today would not be present in the mind of a group of people who hadn't been saturated with the idea and exposed to knowledge of other races as defined by skin coloration. In fact, IF am isolated tribe were to assume a person of a different color was a god then it would prove the artificial origin of "race" because it would demonstrate a lack of thinking in racial terms and support the hypothesis that race was a construct of society, rather than something innate to humans. I'm not saying race doesn't exist, it's definitely a obvious method for distinguishing humans, but the concept of grouping people into a "race" was a developed ~500 years ago, whereas outside of abject culture shock (e.g. first contact between New and Old world peoples) people understood those unlike them in terms of culture or religion. For example, the Normans during the invasion of England saw the Saxons as a fundamentally different people, despite their "race" being the same. It's a hard concept to grasp, for sure, but I see no reason to call me "retarded" unless you feel my statements are a personal attack on your character.
Because ~500 years of conditioning has MADE racism and racial identity an undeniable truth. It is impossible now to separate race from a vast history of racial tension and conflict, as well as existing racist institutions, and so it becomes ingrained in the human psyche by society rather than nature. To directly address your question it's the "nurture" side of nature vs. nurture, as well as a myriad of other variables that would go beyond my historical knowledge into the economic, political and more. The point you brought up earlier about the Roman view towards "barbarians" is exactly what I'm suggesting. Both white, both European, yet in their respective mindsets they might as well have been different "races" if we were trying to compare it to how we think of things today. Human beings need to feel a sense of belonging to some sort of group, and as society has expanded it has abandoned the "tribal" identities which came naturally in favor of artificial identifiers, such as race or nationality to cope with the increased scale of human society as a whole. To this extent, I think it is also important to point out that JonTron's argument about the "tribalization" of human society is a poor choice of words at the very least.
Yes, if you look at my original comment the original point was that the modern concept of racism based on skin color is not human nature, it comes out of generalization and a more macro-cosmic approach to defining people, whereas culture, language, etc was the defining difference for most of human history. This is strictly not "racism" because that word has a very specific meaning, but we can more or less equate the ideas. On that topic, I don't understand what you mean when you say "religious racism" and talk about it's history. Unless you mean "religious prejudice" which is definitely real. Racism is a form of prejudice specifically focused on race, and is too often used in a general way, in my opinion.
I usually can't get into dudesoup enough to watch it all the way through, but I really enjoyed this one. I really appreciated how everyone seemed to give JonTron the benefit of the doubt while still being skeptical and voicing their own opinions on the subject. Nice job on the discussion, and though I've observed that none of you seem too quick to voice your political opinions in your videos (which is definitely understandable in today's political climate), it would be awesome to see more videos like this in the future.
I always love these podcasts. Helps me get a well researched second view on the topic. Well spoken, speak for both sides, look at different aspects, just wonderful
I never really get triggered and I have always associated myself with right wing thinking, but when JonTron said that Irish and Italian immigrants where never discriminated against I was. As an actual Irish man and not just from Boston shit like this is sickening. During the 50's my grandad found it incredibly hard to get a job in England due to him being Irish, this was not that long ago.
Frank Spencer by no means am I condoning some of the things which the IRA did, but how can you say that they 'discriminated everyone else'? They engaged in guerrilla warfare (because it was impossible to face the British forces head on) to fight back for their country. This then bred into other groups like the RIRA but the other side is no different. Look at all the links of Loyalist paramilitaries and the DUP for instance. But no, of course the republicans and IRA in particular were the only ones discriminating. No one else was doing anything wrong. Get your head out of your ass
This is the problem: We shouldn't get mad and try to burn a guy at the stake for saying racist comments (whether you believe they are or not). Instead, if you disagree you should try to educate the person as much as possible. He's not a mean spirited person trying to hurt other people. He has just formed an opinion based on things that are not true. Educate don't hate. The media of course is going to use this as an attack piece but as the RUclips community and online community in general we should do better.
Hidden Level After watching the documentary Accidental Courtesy, I am in full agreement. We'll never get anywhere if we don't talk to these people and educate them
I really appreciate how even you guys were trying to be whilst discussing this topic. It was clear your guys' opinions, but you never let that take over from the facts. Good job!
I really appreciate the opinions put forward by these guys. Absolutely sick of people just screaming nazi at Jon and Felix. I also appreciate the whole you can enjoy someone and not necessarily agree with them politically, which is what I feel with the whole jontron thing. Good podcast guys.
'And a lill English help to there' Britain entered war: September 1, 1939 America entered war: December 7, 1941 British military deaths WW2: 383,700 American Military deaths WW2: 407,300 British total population 1940: 48 million american total population 1940: 132.1 million British percentage killed: 0.00799% American percentage killed: 0.00308% That's half as much of the percentage of Britain sounds like a lot more than 'a lill' help there
When it comes to politics and what not, I like to bring up a quote that's usually attributed to Abraham Lincoln. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." I raise Elk and play video games. I'm not in ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM able to debate my stances on things with people that know what they're talking about.
Curious what they think about Colin Moriarty, as he's an example of a freakout happening when he didn't do anything wrong. They might not be able to or want to though because they were a part of the same company
I don't know that they honestly even care that much, from afar the whole thing just comes off as needless drama with no substance and nothing that relates to them much. And KF has a different relationship with RT than Funhaus does anyway
what James didnt get about the hijab tweet was the "can" part, like you can go without it, if you want to wear it cool if you dont, nobody is gonna throw acid to your face
Jontron meant the inverse. In a Muslim country, if you're a woman and are not wearing a hijab and you drive a car, bad things can happen. Jontron was making a point saying if you can do those things without anything bad happening, you are not in a nation that needs feminism. To which, you can agree. Feminism's requirement in first world countries is miniscule. All the claims about things like wage gap are lies. The only thing feminism is needed for is personal treatment, it's illegal to pay a guy more than a woman, but it's not illegal to say, give all the richer clients to the guy and all the poorer clients to the woman and the woman makes less because of it. There, feminism is necessary. But then you still have nations in which women can't show more than their eyes, can't vote, can't drive, can be beaten for accidentally doing something such as letting a gust of wind reveal some skin, forced into marriages, and raped because parties outside the woman's control said "sure". In Muslim countries as well, women are often seen as sinful, like... they are terrible people but you don't say anything because you don't have evidence. If a woman gives you a shred of evidence she isn't holy, that could be the end of her, like it was for Farkhunda. Farkhunda was _accused_ of burning the Quran and she was beaten with a pole, stoned, stomped, run over, burned and much more by a very large crowd. Does America, England, Australia, Germany, France, Canada, etc. need Feminism? No. Does almost every third world nation? Yes. Sure, sexism in the workplace and in the public space in general is bad, but feminazis seem to only care about themselves. Not equality, not other women. I see Jontron's feminism point. At least he's right, there.
I hate how that's a typical cop out "argument" that people apply to everything, like there's a point to saying "x has it worse" Then that same person will say "THOSE GUYS ARE SHUTTING DOWN THE DISCUSSION" Fuck it pisses me off that people actually think that's an actual fucking point.
fuckin thank you. It fucking hurts my brain when I hear that someone actually thinks women get paid less for the same job when its literally illegal. People always want to bring "current year" as an argument into a discussion, but they cant use said argument to figure out that there has been a law to make it so that there is no discrimination in how much one gets paid through the same job
No Soup For You most of the people saying that think so cause they have never actually worked or they'd understand that the boss doesent give a damn about what's between your legs, if you do a good job which in turn brings more money you get paid more meritocracy is the simplest and most efficient system ever
I disagree with what Adam said about people who are not known for being political, should not be political. It's like when Colin Kaepernick protested the National Anthem and everyone said he should stop and just play football because that is what he gets paid to do. But that mindset is wrong. Elyse sort of points out that they have a platform, an audience in which people would listen to and who look up to. They bring light to prolems or issues that many maybe unaware of, or to show their support for a cause. Like when Shailene Woodley protested the Dakota Pipeline, she brought bigger awareness to the situation and showed her support for it. Just because you are an actor, football player, director, or RUclips content creator, does not mean you lose your voice. If anything more celebrities should voice their concern for issues that plague our nation and/or world. But celebrities should also be aware of the consequences that come from voicing your concern. But if your career or public image is more important than the issues that affect millions of people or whatever, than that is a problem you need to solve on your own
Jerry I don't think he said they shouldn't be political as much as he said "You can be political, but don't be surprised if people turn against you because that's not what they know/follow you for."
I'm still yet finding it hard to play Devils advocate with you guys. You rarely express political opinions (Good thing I think) but when you do you're very easy to agree with. Do you feel like you're trying to walk the fence on purpose, or that your true feelings on politics and society are showing? Also subscribe to Gropozy
This was a well done podcast. Level-headed discussion, listening, and presenting different perspectives on the issue. Much better handled than the people who just through JonTron under the bus. My respect for the Funhaus guys (and Elyse) on the topics of political and social issues has grown from this point, not that I'm here for the politics of course. I just think these guys are funny, and that's what I'm here for. But when it's relevant, I think it's perfectly acceptable to talk about things like this, so long as they stay open-minded and rational. Love you guys!
This is why I like you guys so much. You wait until everything comes out before discussing something so you have all the info. I probably wouldn't know a lot of this info if it wasn't for you, so thanks.
I like Jon's shit, but he said some pretty fucked shit. Also, he clearly wasn't prepared for that debate. He didn't know what he was talking about for most of his arguments. He admitted it himself.
JonTron lives in New York, he MOVED there from LA. Like, he could have moved to a more homogenous place in America but he chose one of the most diverse cities in the world. And not even for a second he thinks that maybe NY was a good place to move to because it's so diverse.
Stop with the dismissal tactics. Most of my family came from NY (uptown) and I myself have lived both there and NJ. The tristate can be super-segregated at times. You see some mixing in certain working-class neighborhoods, but middle and especially upper class sections are often seas of homogeneity.
H here's the thing though. That's not what he said. He said multiculturalism is a myth and if that's true then I guess Broadway musicals, Jazz and all the social and cultural live in big cities and NY are just things I imagined. Now if you wanna say segregation still exists then yeah, it does and we're working to eliminate it in spite of people like you and the other anon troll who's just a letter and a color over there.
SlickTone 6 he chose to go there to work on his RUclips career, there's a reason he didn't chose Bowling Green but chose NY. What drew him to NY is what he says he doesn't like and he can't see that. Sounds like you can't either son but don't worry, we'll continue to work towards inclusion and multiculturalism and then you can enjoy the awesome results of our work while claiming you hate us. Just like Jontron did, forgetting that his parents where, at one point, "somebody else's babies"
So you're accusing me of being a troll...? Multiculturalism isn't a myth, per se, but how and when you're exposed to it (in NY) will often depend on your income bracket. Part of the charm for the city for these hipsters flying in from all over the country is the ability to pick and choose what bubble you experience. Of course, NY is NY and locals will go wherever the fuck they please, and unless you're insanely rich the poorer elements will seep through the cracks of your safe space eventually. I've seen many transients like JonTron have the same reaction when they have to come face-to-face with the real residents of the city, and they project it totally on the black and/or brown populations. People from the nicer boroughs and Long Island do it as well, so it's not just a rest of the country thing. I've noticed that even whites from the city don't always notice when other whites in NY hustle them, but they really start noticing it when it comes from PoCs. It straddles a fine line between bias and open contempt. Other cities I've been to don't hold a candle to NY's intensity, especially when it comes to crime. Shit, Oakland seemed relatively safe to me. In most other places, crime revolves almost exclusively around drugs, and usually only the most heinous or dirt poor gangs target just anyone. In NY, however, everyone's fair game. You have to grow up fighting and learn how to behave like a predator just not to get fucked with, so anyone you walk into is a potential victim. People who don't grow up in that don't understand it, and the knee-jerk reaction is to take it as a race thing. And that has caused a lot of marginalization and gentrification in the city, beginning in full swing with Giuliani and capitalized on by Bloomberg, and De Blasio has only made tepid attempts to curtail it. So the few times people have to deal with the poorer residents of NY, they take it as some kind of existential crisis.
My political comment on Funhaus for the millenium: The term "Western culture" isn't a synonym for "White culture", and for example in the majority of uses, Russia (a nearly all white country) is considered an eastern culture. It's a term used to describe the sets rules and regulations both written and unwritten, how people interact with each other, what we see as crime and not crime, how we react to said crimes, our politics, all kinds of things. Just as an example, in a lot of "Eastern culture" we wouldn't even be having this debate because speaking out against your country or your governing body is a crime and would either have you in prison or dead. This is a value of western culture, when people say that term. When people say that western culture is superior to other cultures, they're not saying whites are better than non-whites, they're saying that the way "western" countries even letting people discuss these topics instead of throwing them into a slave labor camp is superior. Having seen a lot of the Jon Tron discussions, and actually listened to them, you have to be doing some kind of mental gymnastics if you think Jon is saying that whites are a superior race or if you think he's any kind of supremacist, especially if he references Japan as a near utopian society. (On that subject, Japan's biggest social issues are their work ethic and declining birth rates. They work themselves to death and they don't fuck. Not the same kind of issues that a lot of other countries are facing.) Anyways, time to never comment politics again. But man, I can't wait for the rule34 that comes out of this.
It's pretty obvious that JonTron actually believes in his opinions but is fine leaving it at that. The only stupid thing he did was open his mouth and try to make his opinion fact without evidence. However, Destiny having some facts that favor his opinion does not make his opinion fact as well. The best way to handle this is to just look at this from the outside with evidence that shows both sides of the argument. Bruce did an excellent job of this.
Adam: Why do some people believe they can talk about certain issues because they have fame? Adam: *proceeds to voice his political views and tells people like Tim Allen to fuck off because of something he said that he doesn't agree with*
Actually, to mine understanding, the comparisons between Hitler and Trump were that Trump was following eerily similar methods and word choice that Hitler used.
of course the people saying that stuff are just as idiotic, they had a whole conversation about how people who say anything "pro-white" shouldn't be called Nazis. come on
Both sides are guilty of this normalization of Hitler and Nazi centric ad hominem, and Funhaus did talk about liberals and specifically "SJWs" beating the dead horse of Nazism and depriving it of any gravitas it once had. I think a better comparison for Allen would have been McCarthyism. The blackballing in Hollywood is very similar to what occurred in the 50's.
"Don't use your platform to talk about your opinion on politics if that's not what you're famous for." - Adam Kovic, while talking politics on his channel about video games.
kwloy actually, they got famous for discussing hot topics in Internet culture. As with all Internet culture, gaming is usually a stable, so of course it is majority gaming. When Internet culture begins to draw in politics then of course they are fine to discuss these issues. Jontron got famous discussing media and games. He did not discuss Internet culture, he did not discuss politics, he did not discuss online personalities. Do you understand?
People like jontron tend to argue false naratives that they learned from Facebook memes and didnt actually research. They hear statistics that support their ideals and blindly accept them as truth and pass them on ignorantly.
you guys need to search up Tim Pool's Sweden experience. He went there to refute Trump's claims on Sweden and came out talking about the covered up immigration problem.
- How convenient you didnt mentioned Jontrons arguments about the importance of the white gene pool (as iranian immigrant) and also missed that part where Jontron vehemently denied any lack of knowledge about the subject and instead proudly announced his statistics and studies he prepared beforehand, but somehow you associate the exact opposite of that to his reponse video. Strangely I seem to missed that part. Well, since you said you researched *MONTHS* for that it has to be my fault I guess. - _"I dont think Jontron is a white supremacist."_ - Yeah we all know the *HUGE* difference between people advocating for white skin colors and people advocating for white gene pools. Of course the later ones are the harmless ones.
Jontron's point about diversity is that it is only called for in majority white countries. That's why he brought up Japan. No one criticizes Japan for being too Japanese. "Diversity" is a leftist code word for "Too many white people".
sure, but you could very easily say japan is too Yamato japanese while ethnic groups like the burakumin, ryukyuan, and ainu are underrepresented and culturally discriminated against. i mean shit, the ainu weren't even considered real by the Japanese government until 2008.
Huh who woulda thought that it's a cultural aspect rather than an ethnic one when the same Irish and Italians were heavily involved in organized crime. Coming from a Middle Eastern/Italian mix.
I've never seen this before. But what I do see is three extremely anxious people, and one non-anxious individual completely feeling the anxiety being represented in the room.
all Sargon did was say he agreed to some stuff and disagreed with other stuff and nothing dialectically moved forward it was a shitshow that's it it wasn't even a fun stream
Are you implying Carl is smarter than Destiny? Because that's not even half true, Carl didn't understand anything he was talking about in any debate he's had with Destiny.
culture is different than race. Are all races good? YES! are all cultures good? NO! yes, I'm referring to the horrific treatment of women and gays by the Muslim culture
Don't get me wrong. I think all religions are silly and ridiculous. But whether you like it or not, a main part of American culture is Christian culture, and I think women and gays do exceptionally well here. Muslim culture goes a little beyond silly when they stone women to death for being raped and literally throw gay people off of roof tops. I would like to ban all religions, but let's start with the ones actually do harm
Newsflash, Sam: Western Christians aren't murdering gays on a seemingly-daily basis. They might not approve of gay marriage, but they aren't making a public spectacle of killing gays in the name of deity. The Christian Bible is full of fucked-up shit, but it's worth considering whether or not it's just information (ie, people did fucked-up things but not condoned by Jebus) or a command for modern times.
Battleballs I don't know, I'm just repeating what people have been calling him recently. Personally, I'm pretty sure he's not a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
I watch funhaus because you guys are really good at being funny. I use your channel as an escape from the real world, and I don't really want to be reminded about the divided political climate of America when I'm watching people I view as characters. I get it you guys are people too and have opinions but that's not what I come to funhaus for.
as a fellow funhaus scrobble, i can understand where you're coming from FERUMize. however I would suggest for you to either skip or not watch their stuff when they get into political stuff. it's pretty rare, so it's easy to avoid. Or on the flip side, do what I do, and have the podcast on in the background while playing overwatch. it really doesn't matter what they talk about then
The Eastern and Western Hemispheres are defined by timezones East and West of 0 GMT or 0 UTC. Western Culture however has spread East past 0 all the way to New Zealand. There's no East and West in a scientific sense, but you bet your ass there's an East and West in a cultural/political sense.
Which west is that exactly? Everyone has their own ideas of what it is . For most people (like you) they project the culture of where they live , and their own ideas into the "west" I'm sure you also think America is amazing (except for all the people you don't like )
darthekul1 no. everybody has roughly the same idea about where the west (western culture) is. USA , Western Europe, anglosphere, japan, south korea. I live in turkey and known many people from different countries. everybody agrees on this definition
Great job to all involved, especially Bruce, you guys kept it entertaining while also discussing a very touchy subject. I'd give you each a million scrobbles if I could
''shut your mouth and keep making your content''... that's what leftists want everyone who disagrees to do... which is exactly why people have to speak up.
Rowdy Boy even if I don't agree with something said I still believe they should have the right to say it... the leftists (Marxists) would rather control thoughts while I believe the bad ideas should be weeded out through discussion
Hey Link I didnt say genocide. You're just projecting your agenda on me because you're just mad hating people for their skin color doesn't get you a pat on the back anymore.
"shut your mouth and keep playing football" -- alt right memebois to Colin K, for example. This shit happens both ways, it's not a reason to need to speak up. People should have the legal right to say whatever they want, but I feel absolutely zero sympathy for people who are butthurt about getting marginalized for supporting/being white supremacists.
ADHD I've only ever heard conservatives say that, but trying to put a label on that is stupid. People of all ideologies and types say that stuff, their only similarity is their all annoying.
NO, you stfu! I have it on good authority and sources that Bowling Green was just as deadly as Sweden! I lost all of my fathers in Bowled Greens! All those muslims and thier so called "judges" need to stay away!
Please never do anything political again. I love yall and have been watching since the IG days, but this had a very left leaning slant. I understand yall are not career politicians or heavily involved in politics. Please return to comedy and light hearted jokes every now and then.
Just. Don't. Watch. The. Video. It had a left-leaning slant because the point of a podcast is to listen in on real conversations with real people. These people happen to be left-leaning and it's related to the topic at hand. There are 113 other podcasts that they have up that aren't political. Don't tell them to stop making videos about a topic you don't personally like when it's one in 114.
Its fine that they are involved in controversy, thats how they get views. Politics however shouldn't be displayed with just one side speaking (like this video), but that is another topic. Your point of 113 other podcasts without politics helps to prove my point. Funhaus is "out of their realm" with this. It shows with videos like Madden Racist receiving significantly less dislikes than this one, because they were able to approach controversy without alienating a significant (while be it not a majority) of their audience. These videos are not good for their channel. my problem was also not with the "topic" because I "don't personally like [it]" my problem was with the the lack of representation for the other side of the argument. I personally support Jontrons view that we are experiencing a persecution of white identity like never before and believe he simply hasn't spent enough time learning of the studies and being able to articulate his view. I also do not feel any channel should tackle an issue as broad as this one within in only around an hour of runtime. like I said this is expected with them not being "career politicians or heavily involved in politics.". If they brought in experts from both sides or at least considered one side as having a base in facts I would be happy to see it.
as a canadian I like the fact that their are such a wide variety of culture in canada. we have a event in our city called heritage days and all these cultures all over the world bring their foods,music, and clothing. it's great!
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I just wanted to say that regardless of the views in this episode from anybody, I commend Bruce for working really hard researching this topic and making it a good podcast. Good job Bruce!
Liam Hillman yeah, good job Bruce!
Liam Hillman this better wind up in the comment show, I agree great job by Bruce, I always like watching this lot handle tough and potentially dicey topics like this just to see the contrast between the comedy and silliness and then the serious issues whilst still avoiding putting in their own political input to maintain a neutral ground, great job by them all
Thank you Liam! I did not want to do this topic injustice because it's very serious.
You done good, Brucie baby.
Bruce Greene can you figure out why Scott's burn ice cream change their logo?
I'm really disappointed Lawrence wasn't there to defend Japan as the utopian society
Benperson He is, after all, the quintessential gamer.
Benperson quintessential gamer, quintessential political viewpoints Kappa
+Battleballs Not to mention their heavy stereotyping/racism of anybody non-Japanese.
+Cha4k To be fair, Japan is way less racist because they lack the amount of black people the US has.
also lowest homicide rate
I love how Adam talks like Ozymandius: "If only there were aliens to unite the human race..."
I'm on to you Adam.
BREAKING NEWS: Lawrence has been recruited by Samuel L. Jackson to be a part of the xXx extreme crew.
Lawrence Vin Diesel confirmed. Guess those GTA Vids weren't for nothing
Din Viesel*
i knew it
ScramJamJohnson h lol
Now that's a crew
why has Omar just become a voice on the god mic?
Duncan Weinland He's like Lars back on IG daily, just a disembodied voice
Elyse's hair is on point. Good shit.
I love all of you, but God damnit, Bruce GreenE I fucking love you. You just seem like such a genuine, caring human being.
Bruce is Best.
That's just ole Papa Bruce, spreading his love to all.
Bruce Greene ise the love ofe mye life legite
thats why we all love him
No matter what side you stand on you can't deny JonTrons debating skills are pretty poor
It's even worse considering destiny has a hard time debating anyone else.
If Jontron's debating skills are poor, then christ, Destiny's is utter shit.
GOTTEM
JR K SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
I don't think anyone claims Jontron is smart. People just think he is funny and not a useful idiot.
Can you hire Joel back now that he is unemployed??
Wait wha?
what??
YES! BRIG BACK MY BOY! BRING BAG JEW GOBLIN! We miss him!
Yael Roque The place where he worked shut down recently.
Sourcefed is cancelled, him and 40 other people has been fired
If minorities aren't discriminated against them why is he afraid of whites being a minority?
Wow, America has some crazy racist guys, its funny because they think that the color of the skin indentifies your race while we are all the same shit, Homo sapiens sapiens, but we all now that these people don't want anything to do with any "homo"
@Kasch, You have to be a troll, please tell me you're a troll.
Putting aside how presumptuous your comment is, I just can't believe one person could be so eccentric(edit), but this is the internet, I've seen plenty of outlandish comments before.
Ignorant was not the best word, I should have said crazy, or eccentric, I'll go back and edit. Eccentric even works better with the following sentence.
Squiggy, I know right, he gotta be a troll. He's either a troll or one of those tin foil hat wearing crazies who think the Jews are behind everything. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's just a very creative troll, or an artist like you said.
scroll down if you want to see geniuses debate politics
dippee216 nice try
Good one
Person 1: JonTron did nothing wrong!
Person 2: No, he is racist.
End of debate.
Too late, I'm losing braincells faster than Trump can say "wrong".
Comment right under talked about elyse's jumper 😂
Hey Funhaus, I just wanted to say that since you guys have started this channel, I've grown to love all of you and the things you do to make us and each other laugh every day. I'm 16 years old and last month I attempted to commit suicide by driving my beloved car into a retaining wall, and now I am living with the consequences of these actions. I know you hear this from literally thousands of people, but you guys really do help me get through the day. Whether It's James' skepticism, Elyse's impressions, Adam's lovable nature, Bruce's farts, Joel's singing, Spoole's stupid 1 dollar 1 hour rule, Lawrence's love for anime, or Peake's subtle but very encouraging advice, you guys always make me feel better about life and give me hope that I will live the life I dream of, thank you.
I'm glad that James believes in mixed supremacy. Genetic variation will reign supreme!
Based funhaus
bruce is really into politics i see... he should hop on stream with destiny
17:10 Being a second generation immigrant, when I start complaining about literally anything about living in America, my parents get extremely upset with me and call me ungrateful. They constantly say “this is the greatest country in the world.” Why would we want to keep out that kind of spirit and admiration?
america has faults, but your parents are AWESOME.
im glad they made it here and i hope that same feeling is felt among immigrants coming to america.
"The unholy Nazi alliance of PewDiePie and JonTron" - Wall Street Journal
Tarquin Did they really say that?
jakob schoonover I wish I could say no. But knowing them they probably did.
jakob schoonover
No they didn't.
jakob schoonover
No they didn't.
jakob schoonover get pranked
I would like to see a 30 minute feature of Lawrence talking about his time at stuntman camp.
This whole JonTron situation takes me back to that Sonic 06 Game Grumps moment where Jon says "look at these blacks". Thought it was pretty funny back then but now there's a bit of a different tone to it imo
I genuinely can’t believe that this is how your brain works 🤣🤣🤣
This is my first dude soup in like... forever, and I really like this kind of talks, so i gotta see the other ones left. Gracias.
Just wanted to say good job with a difficult subject.
A controversy seems like a right of passage for RUclipsrs now. They should give out a RUclips Play button whenever they get to Wall Street Journal
Joe Kin it strikes up conversation and when people are forced to hear opinions they build options themselves. They may agree or disagree with what they're hearing. When entertainers become political there following hear there opinions and derive there own thoughts from something that is like a shock political action as opposed to asking the person "how do you feel about opinion A over opinion B". I think you're completely right.
This comment hits different today
Hey! Just wanted to make a comment regarding Adam's statement that the issue of race was a problem since prehistoric times. In actuality race was historically not a huge issue until more or less the enlightenment. The big divide was usually religious, cultural, or most probably tribal (originally). Now, if you think that constitutes racism in itself I would yield that it was essentially the pre-racial equivalent of racism, but the concept as we understand it today is in no way that simple.
The development of the idea of a "race" of people is a really interesting one(EDIT, forgot to write "one" here). Most ancient civilizations defined themselves and others by cultural and geographical differences rather than physical ones, and had no real concept of race beyond largely-explanatory myths. In the era of "Christendom" the belief was that all people were descended from the sons of Noah, and the Islamic world more or less agreed, though developed more scientific observations due to their proximity to Africa and the "Orient".
The development of "Scientific Racism" is unique in its devastating impact on peoples' mindsets. The Enlightenment focus on science and fundamental differences between races set the trend for the next several centuries of modern racism. It is no coincidence that this coincided with Colonialism, the first truly race-based slavery institutions, and the overall advancement of European society to a perceived position of superiority over other people.
To say racism began there would be an oversimplification, as even the ancient Sumerians regarded the people living in the hills as "barbarians" and called themselves "the black-headed people" referencing their hair-colour, but the concept itself is of critical importance and I believe it is imperative to our understanding today to see how racism has no real legs to stand on. It was literally created out of thin-air and permeated into every aspect of our society artificially through outright propagandization. It's a unifying and comforting feeling to belong to a "race" in some ways, I suppose, but the concept did not and could not have existed until essentially the first step towards pseudo-globalization occurred.
I know this may seem out of place and critical. Just know I mean no disrespect to Adam, just want to address what I believe to be a common misunderstanding the world could truly benefit from rectifying.
I don't know if you're referring to the Quetzalcoatl myth or more recent contact with isolated populaces, but the concept of race as we understand it today would not be present in the mind of a group of people who hadn't been saturated with the idea and exposed to knowledge of other races as defined by skin coloration. In fact, IF am isolated tribe were to assume a person of a different color was a god then it would prove the artificial origin of "race" because it would demonstrate a lack of thinking in racial terms and support the hypothesis that race was a construct of society, rather than something innate to humans.
I'm not saying race doesn't exist, it's definitely a obvious method for distinguishing humans, but the concept of grouping people into a "race" was a developed ~500 years ago, whereas outside of abject culture shock (e.g. first contact between New and Old world peoples) people understood those unlike them in terms of culture or religion. For example, the Normans during the invasion of England saw the Saxons as a fundamentally different people, despite their "race" being the same.
It's a hard concept to grasp, for sure, but I see no reason to call me "retarded" unless you feel my statements are a personal attack on your character.
Here is some reading to backup my claims, first result from googling "Origin of race". www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-02-09.htm
*Why* is this not the top comment?
*looks at the actual top rated comments*
Oh, yea...
Because ~500 years of conditioning has MADE racism and racial identity an undeniable truth. It is impossible now to separate race from a vast history of racial tension and conflict, as well as existing racist institutions, and so it becomes ingrained in the human psyche by society rather than nature. To directly address your question it's the "nurture" side of nature vs. nurture, as well as a myriad of other variables that would go beyond my historical knowledge into the economic, political and more.
The point you brought up earlier about the Roman view towards "barbarians" is exactly what I'm suggesting. Both white, both European, yet in their respective mindsets they might as well have been different "races" if we were trying to compare it to how we think of things today. Human beings need to feel a sense of belonging to some sort of group, and as society has expanded it has abandoned the "tribal" identities which came naturally in favor of artificial identifiers, such as race or nationality to cope with the increased scale of human society as a whole. To this extent, I think it is also important to point out that JonTron's argument about the "tribalization" of human society is a poor choice of words at the very least.
Yes, if you look at my original comment the original point was that the modern concept of racism based on skin color is not human nature, it comes out of generalization and a more macro-cosmic approach to defining people, whereas culture, language, etc was the defining difference for most of human history. This is strictly not "racism" because that word has a very specific meaning, but we can more or less equate the ideas.
On that topic, I don't understand what you mean when you say "religious racism" and talk about it's history. Unless you mean "religious prejudice" which is definitely real. Racism is a form of prejudice specifically focused on race, and is too often used in a general way, in my opinion.
Anyone remember District 9?
Man of STEELE i do
Man of STEELE i member
Man of STEELE Ah, I love that movie.
Thanks for putting this out there, I was unaware of the situations and you guys explained it very nicely
Kovic's pants are sooo tight.
"Captain, how tight are his pants?!"
" Very tight sir!"
"KOVIC!"
This was actually a pretty balanced and fair discussion. I don't see why there's so many dislikes.
HDD 2026
walking a line and being nonpartisan will inevitably drum up people's anger on both sides
HDD 2026 7/10 Not bad
HDD 2026 I'll take, what is an echo chamber for 1000 alex.
***** that's a pretty good comment
MemeStalker Kaathe If we're being honest, I'd say it was mediocre. Not very original, but it does get the point across.
Elyse looks cool as fuck. Can I get that jumper holy shit.
(ideally in mens but I can wear womens if I look that fly)
I'm sure she wouldn't be against selling it.
Poor girl can't even afford new pants, has to go around with rags that are falling apart.
Sadly, it's currently sold out.
Edit: sry, it's actually sold out in my size ;;;;
his husband can't even afford a new shirt, he's been using the same shirts since middle school
link??
The way her legs were positioned at the beginning of the podcast had me confused af
JonTron seems like the only RUclipsr in existence that can gain subscribers after having not posted a video in 3 months.
ReplayStationShow cause hes a great dude and people agree with him and are coming ti his defense. his sub count rose since "becoming a racist"
actually no it went frm 3,127,316 subs to 3,124,496 subs after the racist shit
I usually can't get into dudesoup enough to watch it all the way through, but I really enjoyed this one. I really appreciated how everyone seemed to give JonTron the benefit of the doubt while still being skeptical and voicing their own opinions on the subject. Nice job on the discussion, and though I've observed that none of you seem too quick to voice your political opinions in your videos (which is definitely understandable in today's political climate), it would be awesome to see more videos like this in the future.
I always love these podcasts. Helps me get a well researched second view on the topic. Well spoken, speak for both sides, look at different aspects, just wonderful
I never really get triggered and I have always associated myself with right wing thinking, but when JonTron said that Irish and Italian immigrants where never discriminated against I was. As an actual Irish man and not just from Boston shit like this is sickening. During the 50's my grandad found it incredibly hard to get a job in England due to him being Irish, this was not that long ago.
Ghetto Prince we were still discriminated against in our own country until very recently unfortunately
"discriminated" A rather subjective word. In my eyes the IRA discriminated everyone else.
Frank Spencer by no means am I condoning some of the things which the IRA did, but how can you say that they 'discriminated everyone else'? They engaged in guerrilla warfare (because it was impossible to face the British forces head on) to fight back for their country. This then bred into other groups like the RIRA but the other side is no different. Look at all the links of Loyalist paramilitaries and the DUP for instance. But no, of course the republicans and IRA in particular were the only ones discriminating. No one else was doing anything wrong. Get your head out of your ass
Frank Spencer that pisses me off when one side tries to play the victim card. Fuck off
how did the IRA discriminate everyone else? they were assassinating british officers who were imprisoning and killing irish citizens
Elyse hair is outstanding! I wish to know how to make it
This is the problem: We shouldn't get mad and try to burn a guy at the stake for saying racist comments (whether you believe they are or not). Instead, if you disagree you should try to educate the person as much as possible. He's not a mean spirited person trying to hurt other people. He has just formed an opinion based on things that are not true. Educate don't hate. The media of course is going to use this as an attack piece but as the RUclips community and online community in general we should do better.
It's all about doing it in a loving way. Often times people will come off condescending. Do it with love as the intent. Not to prove someone wrong.
Love is the best teacher
Most agreeable and salient comment on this thread thus far.
What part of what he said was not true?
Hidden Level After watching the documentary Accidental Courtesy, I am in full agreement. We'll never get anywhere if we don't talk to these people and educate them
One thing that scares me is that if we were somehow invaded by Aliens, we wouldn't band together but end up throwing each other under the bus.
I really appreciate how even you guys were trying to be whilst discussing this topic. It was clear your guys' opinions, but you never let that take over from the facts. Good job!
I really appreciate the opinions put forward by these guys. Absolutely sick of people just screaming nazi at Jon and Felix.
I also appreciate the whole you can enjoy someone and not necessarily agree with them politically, which is what I feel with the whole jontron thing.
Good podcast guys.
You are very good at talking about this kind of stuff, very interesting video 👌🏻
I think they are uneducated and sound like teenagers.
'And a lill English help to there'
Britain entered war: September 1, 1939
America entered war: December 7, 1941
British military deaths WW2: 383,700
American Military deaths WW2: 407,300
British total population 1940: 48 million
american total population 1940: 132.1 million
British percentage killed: 0.00799%
American percentage killed: 0.00308%
That's half as much of the percentage of Britain
sounds like a lot more than 'a lill' help there
When it comes to politics and what not, I like to bring up a quote that's usually attributed to Abraham Lincoln. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
I raise Elk and play video games. I'm not in ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM able to debate my stances on things with people that know what they're talking about.
I always love when Omar's dulcet, buttery smooth voice interjects from the heavens with an interesting question or comment.
Did you know jazz came before ska?
Curious what they think about Colin Moriarty, as he's an example of a freakout happening when he didn't do anything wrong. They might not be able to or want to though because they were a part of the same company
David Hutchinson Yeah I agree that Colin did nothing wrong. It was actually kinda funny (pun intended) but Jon tron was just a mess.
I thought Colin's joke was kinda funny...
Henry Kincaid nice, up top..... oh wait.
I don't know that they honestly even care that much, from afar the whole thing just comes off as needless drama with no substance and nothing that relates to them much. And KF has a different relationship with RT than Funhaus does anyway
The guy from fallout 3?
I totally respect everyone in this video. This was a actually reasonable discussion instead of a shitty witch-hunt and condemning bandwagon party.
Elyse: Joey could be watching. Adam: Not listening though.
Oh Adam you have so many great jokes that go unnoticed
Mad props to this show for all the research that goes into it and the way that you guys discuss these topics.
Can Bruce be the new host of the podcast?
what James didnt get about the hijab tweet was the "can" part, like you can go without it, if you want to wear it cool if you dont, nobody is gonna throw acid to your face
As long as you're not in muslim country like germany for example.
Jontron meant the inverse.
In a Muslim country, if you're a woman and are not wearing a hijab and you drive a car, bad things can happen.
Jontron was making a point saying if you can do those things without anything bad happening, you are not in a nation that needs feminism.
To which, you can agree. Feminism's requirement in first world countries is miniscule. All the claims about things like wage gap are lies. The only thing feminism is needed for is personal treatment, it's illegal to pay a guy more than a woman, but it's not illegal to say, give all the richer clients to the guy and all the poorer clients to the woman and the woman makes less because of it. There, feminism is necessary.
But then you still have nations in which women can't show more than their eyes, can't vote, can't drive, can be beaten for accidentally doing something such as letting a gust of wind reveal some skin, forced into marriages, and raped because parties outside the woman's control said "sure".
In Muslim countries as well, women are often seen as sinful, like... they are terrible people but you don't say anything because you don't have evidence. If a woman gives you a shred of evidence she isn't holy, that could be the end of her, like it was for Farkhunda. Farkhunda was _accused_ of burning the Quran and she was beaten with a pole, stoned, stomped, run over, burned and much more by a very large crowd.
Does America, England, Australia, Germany, France, Canada, etc. need Feminism? No.
Does almost every third world nation? Yes.
Sure, sexism in the workplace and in the public space in general is bad, but feminazis seem to only care about themselves. Not equality, not other women.
I see Jontron's feminism point. At least he's right, there.
I hate how that's a typical cop out "argument" that people apply to everything, like there's a point to saying "x has it worse" Then that same person will say "THOSE GUYS ARE SHUTTING DOWN THE DISCUSSION" Fuck it pisses me off that people actually think that's an actual fucking point.
fuckin thank you. It fucking hurts my brain when I hear that someone actually thinks women get paid less for the same job when its literally illegal. People always want to bring "current year" as an argument into a discussion, but they cant use said argument to figure out that there has been a law to make it so that there is no discrimination in how much one gets paid through the same job
No Soup For You most of the people saying that think so cause they have never actually worked or they'd understand that the boss doesent give a damn about what's between your legs, if you do a good job which in turn brings more money you get paid more meritocracy is the simplest and most efficient system ever
I disagree with what Adam said about people who are not known for being political, should not be political. It's like when Colin Kaepernick protested the National Anthem and everyone said he should stop and just play football because that is what he gets paid to do. But that mindset is wrong. Elyse sort of points out that they have a platform, an audience in which people would listen to and who look up to. They bring light to prolems or issues that many maybe unaware of, or to show their support for a cause. Like when Shailene Woodley protested the Dakota Pipeline, she brought bigger awareness to the situation and showed her support for it. Just because you are an actor, football player, director, or RUclips content creator, does not mean you lose your voice. If anything more celebrities should voice their concern for issues that plague our nation and/or world. But celebrities should also be aware of the consequences that come from voicing your concern. But if your career or public image is more important than the issues that affect millions of people or whatever, than that is a problem you need to solve on your own
Jerry I don't think he said they shouldn't be political as much as he said "You can be political, but don't be surprised if people turn against you because that's not what they know/follow you for."
The whole idea of an alien attack ending the human infighting (based on nation, race, etc.) was the whole plot of Watchmen.
That's really the ultimate litmus test: Can you buy the biggest big mac meal?
I'm still yet finding it hard to play Devils advocate with you guys. You rarely express political opinions (Good thing I think) but when you do you're very easy to agree with. Do you feel like you're trying to walk the fence on purpose, or that your true feelings on politics and society are showing?
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Anyone know the sweater that Elyse is wearing?
Rico Loco where is it from?
WingedSoda Her closet.
WingedSoda The one James is still hiding in.
Ty m8
It took some googling but I did it!!! milkbbi.com/
But did you make $250,000 off of this video like all those animators do; according to Destiny?
This was a well done podcast. Level-headed discussion, listening, and presenting different perspectives on the issue. Much better handled than the people who just through JonTron under the bus. My respect for the Funhaus guys (and Elyse) on the topics of political and social issues has grown from this point, not that I'm here for the politics of course. I just think these guys are funny, and that's what I'm here for. But when it's relevant, I think it's perfectly acceptable to talk about things like this, so long as they stay open-minded and rational.
Love you guys!
This is why I like you guys so much. You wait until everything comes out before discussing something so you have all the info. I probably wouldn't know a lot of this info if it wasn't for you, so thanks.
I like Jon's shit, but he said some pretty fucked shit. Also, he clearly wasn't prepared for that debate. He didn't know what he was talking about for most of his arguments. He admitted it himself.
"MIXED RACE PEOPLE ARE BANGIN"- James Willums 2017
Lol I couldn't agree more. Seriously mixed people are sexy AF.
JonTron lives in New York, he MOVED there from LA.
Like, he could have moved to a more homogenous place in America but he chose one of the most diverse cities in the world.
And not even for a second he thinks that maybe NY was a good place to move to because it's so diverse.
Sorry my dude but that kinda thinking shows me you never lived in any "major city"
Stop with the dismissal tactics. Most of my family came from NY (uptown) and I myself have lived both there and NJ. The tristate can be super-segregated at times. You see some mixing in certain working-class neighborhoods, but middle and especially upper class sections are often seas of homogeneity.
H here's the thing though. That's not what he said. He said multiculturalism is a myth and if that's true then I guess Broadway musicals, Jazz and all the social and cultural live in big cities and NY are just things I imagined.
Now if you wanna say segregation still exists then yeah, it does and we're working to eliminate it in spite of people like you and the other anon troll who's just a letter and a color over there.
SlickTone 6 he chose to go there to work on his RUclips career, there's a reason he didn't chose Bowling Green but chose NY. What drew him to NY is what he says he doesn't like and he can't see that. Sounds like you can't either son but don't worry, we'll continue to work towards inclusion and multiculturalism and then you can enjoy the awesome results of our work while claiming you hate us. Just like Jontron did, forgetting that his parents where, at one point, "somebody else's babies"
So you're accusing me of being a troll...?
Multiculturalism isn't a myth, per se, but how and when you're exposed to it (in NY) will often depend on your income bracket. Part of the charm for the city for these hipsters flying in from all over the country is the ability to pick and choose what bubble you experience. Of course, NY is NY and locals will go wherever the fuck they please, and unless you're insanely rich the poorer elements will seep through the cracks of your safe space eventually.
I've seen many transients like JonTron have the same reaction when they have to come face-to-face with the real residents of the city, and they project it totally on the black and/or brown populations. People from the nicer boroughs and Long Island do it as well, so it's not just a rest of the country thing. I've noticed that even whites from the city don't always notice when other whites in NY hustle them, but they really start noticing it when it comes from PoCs. It straddles a fine line between bias and open contempt.
Other cities I've been to don't hold a candle to NY's intensity, especially when it comes to crime. Shit, Oakland seemed relatively safe to me. In most other places, crime revolves almost exclusively around drugs, and usually only the most heinous or dirt poor gangs target just anyone. In NY, however, everyone's fair game. You have to grow up fighting and learn how to behave like a predator just not to get fucked with, so anyone you walk into is a potential victim. People who don't grow up in that don't understand it, and the knee-jerk reaction is to take it as a race thing. And that has caused a lot of marginalization and gentrification in the city, beginning in full swing with Giuliani and capitalized on by Bloomberg, and De Blasio has only made tepid attempts to curtail it. So the few times people have to deal with the poorer residents of NY, they take it as some kind of existential crisis.
guys- this was awesome. I didn't expect such a high level of discourse (mostly because I read the comments first).
Love the talk, guys. Very friendly and open discussion about a not so friendly subject.
Shit, brace yourselves for a shitstorm like none other
JonTron is not that bad of a guy
My political comment on Funhaus for the millenium:
The term "Western culture" isn't a synonym for "White culture", and for example in the majority of uses, Russia (a nearly all white country) is considered an eastern culture. It's a term used to describe the sets rules and regulations both written and unwritten, how people interact with each other, what we see as crime and not crime, how we react to said crimes, our politics, all kinds of things.
Just as an example, in a lot of "Eastern culture" we wouldn't even be having this debate because speaking out against your country or your governing body is a crime and would either have you in prison or dead. This is a value of western culture, when people say that term. When people say that western culture is superior to other cultures, they're not saying whites are better than non-whites, they're saying that the way "western" countries even letting people discuss these topics instead of throwing them into a slave labor camp is superior.
Having seen a lot of the Jon Tron discussions, and actually listened to them, you have to be doing some kind of mental gymnastics if you think Jon is saying that whites are a superior race or if you think he's any kind of supremacist, especially if he references Japan as a near utopian society. (On that subject, Japan's biggest social issues are their work ethic and declining birth rates. They work themselves to death and they don't fuck. Not the same kind of issues that a lot of other countries are facing.)
Anyways, time to never comment politics again. But man, I can't wait for the rule34 that comes out of this.
Kasch westerners
Kasch lol get fukt idiot no response cuz your argument ain't shit
AKA democracy.
Kasch those wete just three exanples to go in depth about history with some one I dont know and wont listen is pointless
Kasch dude read africa's gift to America by J.A Rojers "an actual historian if you want more than just fun facts
Way more nuanced discussion than I was expecting, well done
"I don't have a chin" FUCKING LOL! Quality jokes Omar.
It's pretty obvious that JonTron actually believes in his opinions but is fine leaving it at that. The only stupid thing he did was open his mouth and try to make his opinion fact without evidence. However, Destiny having some facts that favor his opinion does not make his opinion fact as well. The best way to handle this is to just look at this from the outside with evidence that shows both sides of the argument. Bruce did an excellent job of this.
Destiny is a dipshit
Autumn Shag I love you
but he literally backed up his statements with facts
+Agent Bill Wilson "facts" - he backed up them with statistics that can be twisted around in which ever way you look at them. Those are not facts.
What is a fact then?
Adam: Why do some people believe they can talk about certain issues because they have fame?
Adam: *proceeds to voice his political views and tells people like Tim Allen to fuck off because of something he said that he doesn't agree with*
He told him to fuck off for comparing it to Nazi Germany, You know, where millions of jews died.
Actually, to mine understanding, the comparisons between Hitler and Trump were that Trump was following eerily similar methods and word choice that Hitler used.
Anybody can talk about anything. You can choose to listen to it or not.
of course the people saying that stuff are just as idiotic, they had a whole conversation about how people who say anything "pro-white" shouldn't be called Nazis. come on
Both sides are guilty of this normalization of Hitler and Nazi centric ad hominem, and Funhaus did talk about liberals and specifically "SJWs" beating the dead horse of Nazism and depriving it of any gravitas it once had. I think a better comparison for Allen would have been McCarthyism. The blackballing in Hollywood is very similar to what occurred in the 50's.
"Don't use your platform to talk about your opinion on politics if that's not what you're famous for." - Adam Kovic, while talking politics on his channel about video games.
kwloy actually, they got famous for discussing hot topics in Internet culture. As with all Internet culture, gaming is usually a stable, so of course it is majority gaming. When Internet culture begins to draw in politics then of course they are fine to discuss these issues.
Jontron got famous discussing media and games. He did not discuss Internet culture, he did not discuss politics, he did not discuss online personalities.
Do you understand?
I like how no one is talking about the crazy guy at the end who kisses his dead grandma. :D
I love these guys. I feel that they are so level-headed in their opinions and views. Keep on Funhaus!
why won't they mention Colin leaving kind of funny
TheDeathwalker86 that's what I was thinking for the entire thing
People like jontron tend to argue false naratives that they learned from Facebook memes and didnt actually research. They hear statistics that support their ideals and blindly accept them as truth and pass them on ignorantly.
I love the Canadian perspective here, thanks Elyse
also, the plot of The Watchmen is how everyone is forced to work together
satori3000 Good novel and film watchmen
#Notallcanadians
I was not expecting this when I clicked on it, but I have to say I really enjoyed this discussion, which was fantastically facilitated by Papa Bruce.
Their robot/alien theory is almost literally the plot of Watchmen
just look at Sweden.
Where do you get these statistics?
lmao what? When did Swedish school children get murdered by muslim immigrants? The one school killing I can think of was by a white nazi.
you guys need to search up Tim Pool's Sweden experience. He went there to refute Trump's claims on Sweden and came out talking about the covered up immigration problem.
www.rt.com/news/329243-sweden-migrant-stabbed-teenager/
Arminas Pileckas
Fucking dolt.
Since when is one murder terrorism?
- How convenient you didnt mentioned Jontrons arguments about the importance of the white gene pool (as iranian immigrant) and also missed that part where Jontron vehemently denied any lack of knowledge about the subject and instead proudly announced his statistics and studies he prepared beforehand, but somehow you associate the exact opposite of that to his reponse video. Strangely I seem to missed that part. Well, since you said you researched *MONTHS* for that it has to be my fault I guess.
- _"I dont think Jontron is a white supremacist."_ - Yeah we all know the *HUGE* difference between people advocating for white skin colors and people advocating for white gene pools. Of course the later ones are the harmless ones.
Jontron's point about diversity is that it is only called for in majority white countries. That's why he brought up Japan. No one criticizes Japan for being too Japanese. "Diversity" is a leftist code word for "Too many white people".
I think the biggest problem with that is America is founded on ideals that promote diversity, be it diverse ideas or diverse cultural background.
sure, but you could very easily say japan is too Yamato japanese while ethnic groups like the burakumin, ryukyuan, and ainu are underrepresented and culturally discriminated against. i mean shit, the ainu weren't even considered real by the Japanese government until 2008.
Phataku he's not wrong.
People here were treating Irish and Italian immigrants like second class citizens long before any non-white immigrants came.
Huh who woulda thought that it's a cultural aspect rather than an ethnic one when the same Irish and Italians were heavily involved in organized crime.
Coming from a Middle Eastern/Italian mix.
I've never seen this before. But what I do see is three extremely anxious people, and one non-anxious individual completely feeling the anxiety being represented in the room.
Holy SHIT!! This hard netting video made me scream "OH FUCK, NO!!" so loud!!!! LOL WTF!!!??
"Destiny is a smart guy", you should watch him talking to Sargon of Akkad!
Or MisterMetokur.
all Sargon did was say he agreed to some stuff and disagreed with other stuff and nothing dialectically moved forward
it was a shitshow that's it
it wasn't even a fun stream
Are you implying Carl is smarter than Destiny? Because that's not even half true, Carl didn't understand anything he was talking about in any debate he's had with Destiny.
culture is different than race. Are all races good? YES! are all cultures good? NO! yes, I'm referring to the horrific treatment of women and gays by the Muslim culture
Lol because women and gays are treated so well by Christian culture.
Oh wait...
Don't get me wrong. I think all religions are silly and ridiculous. But whether you like it or not, a main part of American culture is Christian culture, and I think women and gays do exceptionally well here. Muslim culture goes a little beyond silly when they stone women to death for being raped and literally throw gay people off of roof tops. I would like to ban all religions, but let's start with the ones actually do harm
Biskit Sam how come every time someone mentions Muslims doing something bad people like you bring up Christians
The religions are both Abrahamic. Also because many of books in Christianity have similarly bad things.
Newsflash, Sam: Western Christians aren't murdering gays on a seemingly-daily basis. They might not approve of gay marriage, but they aren't making a public spectacle of killing gays in the name of deity. The Christian Bible is full of fucked-up shit, but it's worth considering whether or not it's just information (ie, people did fucked-up things but not condoned by Jebus) or a command for modern times.
Aww man, even if jontron is a "nazi," I can't not love his videos. Hell, FunHaus could be serial puppy murderers and I'd still watch all their shit.
Battleballs I don't know, I'm just repeating what people have been calling him recently. Personally, I'm pretty sure he's not a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
Luckily he's neither racist nor a nazi.
You guys should do these more like a video a day seeems underwhelming just cause you guys are so full of ideas and deep thoughts.
Really interesting and relevant podcast guys :) keep creating content!
I watch funhaus because you guys are really good at being funny. I use your channel as an escape from the real world, and I don't really want to be reminded about the divided political climate of America when I'm watching people I view as characters. I get it you guys are people too and have opinions but that's not what I come to funhaus for.
Man!!!! Fuck You!!! You don't know shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Much like Adam wished for Tim Allen to stfu about his political opinions, many of us wish the same for Funhaus.
as a fellow funhaus scrobble, i can understand where you're coming from FERUMize. however I would suggest for you to either skip or not watch their stuff when they get into political stuff. it's pretty rare, so it's easy to avoid. Or on the flip side, do what I do, and have the podcast on in the background while playing overwatch. it really doesn't matter what they talk about then
here's something pretty meta I am both FERUMize and INfoe. wooooooooooooooooooooo!
I know nothing of the topic.
The West is the Best, we should make shure it stays that way!
Earth is a rotating sphere, there's no east or west per say.
The Eastern and Western Hemispheres are defined by timezones East and West of 0 GMT or 0 UTC.
Western Culture however has spread East past 0 all the way to New Zealand.
There's no East and West in a scientific sense, but you bet your ass there's an East and West in a cultural/political sense.
Which west is that exactly? Everyone has their own ideas of what it is . For most people (like you) they project the culture of where they live , and their own ideas into the "west" I'm sure you also think America is amazing (except for all the people you don't like )
darthekul1 no. everybody has roughly the same idea about where the west (western culture) is. USA , Western Europe, anglosphere, japan, south korea. I live in turkey and known many people from different countries. everybody agrees on this definition
The west doesnt have english as a official language you racist.
Nevermind all that political shit, look how fucking cute Elyse is...
Great job to all involved, especially Bruce, you guys kept it entertaining while also discussing a very touchy subject. I'd give you each a million scrobbles if I could
Starship Troopers for an alien invasion? Come on Adam! Watchmen, brother. It mirrors what you want to happen perfectly
''shut your mouth and keep making your content''... that's what leftists want everyone who disagrees to do... which is exactly why people have to speak up.
"Yeah, I want to talk about how I want a white only america. Just the way god intended"
Rowdy Boy even if I don't agree with something said I still believe they should have the right to say it... the leftists (Marxists) would rather control thoughts while I believe the bad ideas should be weeded out through discussion
Hey Link I didnt say genocide. You're just projecting your agenda on me because you're just mad hating people for their skin color doesn't get you a pat on the back anymore.
"shut your mouth and keep playing football" -- alt right memebois to Colin K, for example. This shit happens both ways, it's not a reason to need to speak up. People should have the legal right to say whatever they want, but I feel absolutely zero sympathy for people who are butthurt about getting marginalized for supporting/being white supremacists.
ADHD I've only ever heard conservatives say that, but trying to put a label on that is stupid. People of all ideologies and types say that stuff, their only similarity is their all annoying.
who the fuck is jontron?
ThisName DoesntMatter Thanks Dunkey I love your videos of Puerto Rican decent
You make Jontron look like a patronizing racist with dark opinions, as if there's
nothing wrong happening in the world lately...
OriHadar i know, they didnt even talk about sweden! i mean come on, wake up sheeple! remember bowling green
Wrong, all religion is cancer
NO, you stfu! I have it on good authority and sources that Bowling Green was just as deadly as Sweden! I lost all of my fathers in Bowled Greens! All those muslims and thier so called "judges" need to stay away!
no elyse said that we should know that ppl dont think how should i be evil. everyone is saying what they think is right
did you see fox news they brought a Swedish Defense Adviser EleGiggle
Looks like Bruce is the big cheese now. He's hosting his own Dude Soup and everything.
Adam Kovic on Farcry Primal - "It's like Skyrim with guns, but without guns."
Are you seriously saying that you think the U.S is the best country in the world?
North Korea!
germany?
Norway
The US is the greatest country you pathetic europoor
Ser Richard Horpe Tell me one thing that makes USA the greatest country
It's fucking crazy how elyse is becoming my favorite, you go girl
Holy shit that profile pic
Please never do anything political again. I love yall and have been watching since the IG days, but this had a very left leaning slant. I understand yall are not career politicians or heavily involved in politics. Please return to comedy and light hearted jokes every now and then.
This podcast has always been more opinionated than any of their other content, really. Just be glad you aren't a liberal JonTron viewer.
Just. Don't. Watch. The. Video. It had a left-leaning slant because the point of a podcast is to listen in on real conversations with real people. These people happen to be left-leaning and it's related to the topic at hand. There are 113 other podcasts that they have up that aren't political. Don't tell them to stop making videos about a topic you don't personally like when it's one in 114.
Its fine that they are involved in controversy, thats how they get views. Politics however shouldn't be displayed with just one side speaking (like this video), but that is another topic. Your point of 113 other podcasts without politics helps to prove my point. Funhaus is "out of their realm" with this. It shows with videos like Madden Racist receiving significantly less dislikes than this one, because they were able to approach controversy without alienating a significant (while be it not a majority) of their audience. These videos are not good for their channel. my problem was also not with the "topic" because I "don't personally like [it]" my problem was with the the lack of representation for the other side of the argument. I personally support Jontrons view that we are experiencing a persecution of white identity like never before and believe he simply hasn't spent enough time learning of the studies and being able to articulate his view. I also do not feel any channel should tackle an issue as broad as this one within in only around an hour of runtime. like I said this is expected with them not being "career politicians or heavily involved in politics.". If they brought in experts from both sides or at least considered one side as having a base in facts I would be happy to see it.
You keep ME up at night, James! ;D
as a canadian I like the fact that their are such a wide variety of culture in canada. we have a event in our city called heritage days and all these cultures all over the world bring their foods,music, and clothing. it's great!