WTF Does Tom Aspinall Do Next? | UFC heavyweight title drama
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- With Tom Aspinall tweeting his unrest with not being able to unify his title against Jon Jones or Stipe accepting a fight with him in the meantime. What on earth does Tom Aspinall do next? Does he fight at UFC 300?
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If Jones and Aspinall are just gonna fight separate contenders then the division just becomes a joke. Why have two champs if their next fight isn't to unify? At that point it just diminishes both their belts.
The UFC's booking has been a joke for some time now
Atleast Tom will get PPV points in his next fight. No matter who we fights.
It becomes like boxing then
There wouldn’t be an interim belt if Jon never got injured. Blame the UFC for not making a title eliminator instead of a fake belt that doesn’t help Tom in the slightest. Jon was already set to fight Stipe
There isn't 2 Champs. There is one champ and a guy who won a plastic wwe belt because the UFC had no other way to save their event.
The funniest thing in the world will be if Stipe wins then Jon gets an immediate rematch 😂
Could you imagine the tears?!!!😂😂 It would be glorious!
Tom would go mad
Jon beats both Stipe & Tom tbh, but that’s if he fights Tom. I think he should fight him first but I understand why Jon wants the Stipe fight, and he’s right even tho stipe is older it does do more for his legacy, but should definitely fight Tom after the stipe fight
@@kurexx3424he’s already implied that he’s retiring though. Taking the cowards way out because he knows tom will give him a beating! Why else not fight him?!
@@GDAWG. Jones would beat Tom lmao, if you think Jones is ducking idk what to tell you bro, Jones is getting older he knows that, n he is adding onto his resume, a win against Tom rly does nothing for him, but I do agree that Jones should fight Tom after the stipe fight, Stipe isn’t getting any younger, fight him first n Tom gets the winner of that fight which will be Jones, then jones retires after the Tom fight
This whole “interim champs have defending the belt before” narrative is ridiculous. It’s only happened because the champion was injured for an extended period not because the champion wanted to fight worse people in the same division instead.
Even in the case of injury you shouldn't just hold the division hostage. You're injured? Belt is taken away, when you come back you get a title shot. If you're actually good you will immediately re-gain the belt.
jons is injured though.
so its up to tom if he wabts to wait or fight someone else
@@C-jaybeatshe wanted to fight stipe because he wants to fight jon jones but ufc said no
Hes not fighting ciryl gane either because gane openly ducked him and its out of spite
I think that he said he is fine with with winner of blaydes vs almedia
@@C-jaybeatsthat’s not the point kid, the point is Jon isn’t fighting Tom when he comes back healthy, what’s confusing about that?
@@AWhistlingWolfyou try working for something that long and then get it taken away without losing a fight and see how you feel. You obviously don't train or understand how much is put into winning a world championship
Stipe vs Tom is the ONLY fight that makes sense in the mean time. If Stipe wins, no one can doubt his shot against Jon, if Tom wins, Jon can’t critique his résumé
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Stipe fighting Tom is soooo perfect. If Tom wins, Jon has no choice but to fight him.
Strong agree. Stipe v Tom makes so much sense to me
stipe in no way is going to take that risk. he has already shot it down
@@GoodStuff1992UFC then have to make an ultimatum - you fight tom and then fight jon or you dont fight at all and tom fights jon as soon as jon is back. Jon won't take the fight either and will have to vacate the belt
@BenWilkoXY Do that & both of them will retire. Beating Tom does zero for either of them & neither of them need the money. Sure Tom would get undisputed but he will be remembered as the guy that only got undisputed because the two best guys retired.
@@gqwarrior6694 No, Tom will be remembered as becoming the undisputed Heavyweight champion because both Stipe and Jones were too chicken to face him.
It’s crazy he stepped up on like a weeks notice and saved the UFC card that night and they’re screwing him over as champ.
Cool. And if Dana didn't grace him with his fake plastic wwe belt then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Man has beat fat Tybura and washed Volkov. Derrick Lewis also beat them. So either Derrick Lewis is the true number one contender or those fighters are cans and Aspinall gets exposed for fighting nobody good.
@@Bushido_Brown. When Derrick Lewis beat Volkov he got a title shot against DC his next fight. That was in 2018/2019 how would that make him the number 1 contender 4 years later
@@Bushido_Brown.Hasn't volkov won like 4 straight since then? Volkov is certainly not washed lol
@@Bushido_Brown.Average jones fan iq bruh....
@@Bushido_Brown.found the Jones fanboy😂😂coping to make sense of Jon ducking Francis then tom. Crazy the real goat would never
The more this happens, the more Francis is proven right.
Francis got beat by Fury, he ain't proving anything.
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But he's making a lot of money by being his own fighter, and despite an 0-0 records is going to fight two of the top 5 boxers, hence proving himself right
@@akechiheiwajima8054Francis almost beat the best athlete in an entirely different sport my brother in Christ and pocketed a cool 20 mill where did he not exceed all expectations?
@@akechiheiwajima8054didn’t prove anything is crazy 😂😂
Ake the Saudis rigged that fight dummy did you watch it???
The only reason Jones vs Stipe is happening is for Jon's resume. It does feel like the UFC really wants this for Jon because it makes no sense otherwise. 41 year old Stipe coming out of retirement whose last fight was a knockout loss and he is getting a title shot instead of your interim champ, yeah UFC has made a mess of this .
The stipe/Jones fight was there before the interm belt. Your argument makes no sense.
@@danelynch7171 It's half right. The UFC should have made a fight with Stipe vs Sergei instead but it is true that booking a fight has been drawn out because the UFC really wants to make Stipe vs JBJ.
@@Juel92 how am I half right? Just because the UFC SHOULD HAVE done something, in your opinion.... They did what they did.
@@danelynch7171 But the reason it's still happening over Stipe vs backup when Jon was injured or Stipe vs Tom now is because they wanna give Jon that legacy fight. Otherwise they would have gone with the backup when Jon got injured.
@@Juel92 ok .. like, I agree that slotting pavlovich in when Jones got injured would have made sense but Sergio was likely to smoke stipe. Then you lose the Jones/stipe fight (which has proven to have big numbers) and still have this interm mess. Stipe/Jones is the biggest fight they can make. All others are a far second.
If Jones retires after the Stipe fight you really have to wonder why Jones took three years off in his prime for only two fights at HW
Yea these are fights he didn't really have to "adjust" to heavyweight for either except Francis maybe
Money... That is it.
Jones is salty af after seeing Francis land the big bags
After losing to dominick reyes as well
To duck Ngannou
Jones openly admits he refuses to fight the Interim Champion and Number One contender and instead wants to fight the Number Four who hasn't won a fight in 4 years and hasn't even fought at all in 3 years. This means Jones has to be stripped of the title immediately, the only reason he won't fight the guy he's supposed to fight is that he just doesn't want to.
Jones should be allowed to pick who he wants. This is the money fight, legacy fight for this division, makes sense for it to happen and be the last fight for these guys. There shouldn’t even be an interim champ so stopping him would be dumb, he’s fought contenders his whole career he don’t care about Tom. Aspinall should suck it up and just wait, he’ll be promoted champ after Jones and Stipe
@@sega4212 If you refuse to fight the interim champ you should be immediately stripped from the title. Are you just a Jones fanboy like Brendan Schaub?
Good. Interim champ means nothing. You guys are putting way too much stock into what is essentially a plastic wwe belt that says "I'm second place."
@@Bushido_Brown. By that logic no belt means anything. Aspinall has repeatedly said he WANTS to fight Jones and Jones just goes "I don't wanna" even when he has recovered
How is Tom supposed to fight Jon if Jon simply refuses to?
@@AWhistlingWolf What everyone forgets is that Jones vs Stipe has always been in the works. The interim belt was made afterwards because the UFC was short on a title fight for a PPV. Everyone over looks that. It is on the UFC. Not the fighters. There should have never been an interim belt. Stipe was always considered the number 1 contender. No not because his recent history, but of his history vs Jones' history. You can say they should move on from that fight, but remember there was no need for an interim belt.
Don't get it twisted, Jones never wanted to fight Francis 😂
I mean he admitted to having nightmares of Ngannou knocking him out 😹
Exactly, he waited the perfect amount of time staying quiet about Francis while he was in the UFC, and then the second he left he was saying Ngannou is scared. Isn't that interesting?
@@CalvinLangatMMAWasn't that about rampage?
Don't get it twisted, Ngannou cried about money, didn't sign the Jones fight, left UFC to box. Jones fought Shogun Rua at 23. You're a delusional, hating casual if you think professional fighters are scared to fight.
Exactly dude. It just suspiciously took him the exact amount of time to get ready for HW as it took the UFC to get rid of Francis
Jon can’t even argue for himself - his twitter tantrum helps Tom’s argument lol
Jon's high all most the time.
Why not just do Aspniall V Stipe, and if (when) Aspinall wins, John has a better reason for fighting Aspinall for the actual title fight?
They've gotten so obsessed with marketing "GOAT vs GOAT HW" that they've forgotten all reason it seems.
Why should Aspinall even be in this conversation? If he didnt win that fake plastic wwe belt then nobody would be saying this.
@@Bushido_Brown. Jones won a vacant belt as well.
@@Pasicho So did Pereira but UFC fans are glazing him saying he's the best fighter of 2023. And Jones actually beat the number 1. Unlike Tom who's resume is the same as Derrick Lewis.
@@Bushido_Brown. There's no point in discussing this if your defense is to move the goal post.
When are we going to admit jon jones is scared of elite heavyweights? He came back once Francis is gone and now is basically refusing to fight Tom. Bisping did the same thing to Whitaker for his gsp fight but bisping wasn't being talked about as the "goat" like Jon duck the best heavyweights jones is doin now
Jones living rent free in your head. Just ignore him and move as if he was already retired. Aspinall can fight Gane, Blaydes, Almeida, Despaigne. He's already the champ and after the geezers have their party he'll have the "real" belt.
jons is injured why is everyone forgetting this. the miocic fight should have happened already. but jons is injured. tom needs to wait or fight someone else its that simple.
@@C-jaybeats nobody's forgot that. Tom should fight stipe at 300 and then the winner of that gets jones in July or sometime later in the year. I think everyone would be fine with that. But jon himself has said he only wants to fight stipe. If they did do the tom vs stipe fight and stipe won then and only then would jon vs stipe make any sort of sense
@@tylermeyer7541you know you sound like a little girl, right?
@@Kermit2k I hate people like you man. The guy literally had a fully legit criticism of Jon Jones that 90% of the community agree with and you're claiming he's never got Jones out of his head 😂 news flash, you can dislike something and not have it ruin your life. It's sad that you can't it seems. Projection is a really bad thing on the internet
Stipe should at minimum fight Aspinall for the title shot that Jones basically gifted him.
Yeah they should have made Stipe vs Sergei but now they def really should make Stipe vs Aspinall considering Jones is out for a long while.
Stipe didn't even get a chance to avenge his loss against Francis. This is long overdue.
Stipe doesn’t get a title shot just because he lost to Francis. He’s only getting the shot because A) Jones selected him and B) Stips’s career. But this should be a what have you done for me lately situation and not a lifetime achievement award. It’s been 3 years, Stipe needs to earn his shot.
@@SuperSilver316this!
Absolutely loving these types of videos. Bayliun comes into his own in both these and his analysis’ videos
Ngl the first video I saw that was narrated by Bayliun and not Tommy I was like wtf is this, but you're so right
@@hookedentertainment9089 i thought i was the only one but he's grown on me fs!
He definitely gives the “Casual” voice within the group
@@Lonestar1017 Okay Mr Lonestar.
If you enjoy Bayleen you’re def a casual
I think they know Tom wins both match ups and the promotion doesn’t want that
Which is baffling cause you get a new young popular champ in HW from England which is always a great place for the UFC
Jon Jones’ opponents on his way to and defending the title were an average of 8-9 years older than him, with like 7” less reach. All those guys with big names gave him shots. But now that he’s resting easy, he’s too scared to give Aspinall-the #1 contender and interim champ-who is 6 years younger a shot. Because he knows he very well could go lights out.
The fact that this is even an argument is batshit. Don’t matter if the division isn’t all stellar. Aspinall is the contender, period. It’s his shot next. Stipe’s basically dead. Jones wants to get out. Pass the damn torch like a man. Your time is up.
Either this fight next. Or make Stipe fight Aspinall. Then make Jones fight the winner.
Do you hear yourself crying like a girl over this? Because that's what it sounds like over here.
Also, most of Jon’s wins during his prime were better suited as middleweight fighters: Machida, Chael, Vitor, even Shogun and Rashad. And when he started facing guys who weren’t old & were true LHW with similar size and frame, the fights were a lot closer, even debated some of them; Gustafsson, Santos, Reyes, OSP, etc
To say the best fighter in the world is scared is hilarious
You saying Jones is scared is absurd thing to say.
So i want you type out why jones and stipe didnt happen? Whats the exact reason that fight didnt happen?
Also to point out the same thing the mma on point team pointed out, Tom is the intrim holder not the #1 contender
The only answer is to strip Jones of the title. If Jones wants the Stipe fight, Stipe will still get the recognition of "I beat the GOAT of MMA" if he did win regardless of the belt, and Jones can parade around that he beat the former heavyweight GOAT. Tom can fight Gane in the meantime, then if Jones wants to retire or get his belt back then that's his choice. If not then Almeida probably gets the next shot.
The Heavyweight Opportunity Problem
Jon Jones is going to be out for quite a while. We have an interim champion, Tom Aspinall, who is ready to be active. Rather than promote Aspinall to undisputed champion we are told that Jones will be keeping the belt to preserve a legacy fight with Stipe Miocic. Jones has stated that this very well could be his last fight. Jones’ defenders will say that he deserves to keep the belt. However, this is just the latest setback for all upcoming heavyweights… opportunity. Since UFC 226, nearly six years ago, only 6 fighters have been involved in heavyweight title fights: Miocic, Cormier, Lewis, Ngannou, Gane, and Jones. The setbacks include:
A lengthy trilogy between Miocic and Cormier.
An 8 month gap between Miocic - Cormier 3 and Miocic - Ngannou 2.
A weird decision to make Gane - Lewis for an interim belt.
A long wait because of Ngannou’s injury and decision to part ways with the UFC.
The next generation of heavyweights, Tom Aspinall, Sergei Pavlovich, Jailton Almeida, is here. Curtis Blaydes can never be counted out. Volkov is on a 3 fight win streak. We have an undisputed champion who has fought once in the last 4 years and will be out longer. Our currently scheduled title challenger turns 42 this year, hasn’t fought in almost 3 years, and lost his last fight in a brutal second round KO. The division desperately needs to move on. If not, a whole generation of heavyweights will keep wasting their prime years in endless contender fights while the same men sit on their belts at the top.
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1:48 spot on imo. Except for the part that Jon came in wanting to fight Francis.. I am aware of the promo Jon did after Francis had fought out his contract, but for me, I am not convinced Jon ever wanted to fight Francis. Just being honest.. But completely agree it makes no sense for Jon and Stipe to fight for HW belt when they have 1 fight combined* between them in last 3 years. And I'm tired of talking point that Tom should expect it or not be surprised. Good pushback against that imo
“You think Tom Aspinall could beat Jon Jones in a round?”
Did Tom not see McGregor vs Aldo? Masvidal vs Askren? Woodley vs Lawler? Whittaker vs Brunson?
Anyone can beat anyone in a round. This is MMA and it makes fools of us all
Put respect on Stipes name.. Family man, firefighter, golden gloves champion & HW goat status. Yes he is old but so was Randy
when you're the supposed champion of the world that's not enough to duck the interm champ. He's a joke
Nobody is disrespecting Stipe. He's old and on the way out. Stipe is one of my all-time favorites. However, you can respect his legacy and still be honest with yourself that he isn't the best heavyweight in the world anymore and hasn't been for a while. That's facts, not disrespect.
@@Gadzooks92 Man literally almost whole fan base is sh*tting on the guy && perhaps you're correct but been watching this since like 2006-07 have been wrong before like when Arlovski came back with a vengeance in 2014 & 2015 until Stipe derailed him with that R1 KO but until Jones stops doing what he does best "holding up the show" perhaps will see if Stipe still that guy or washed
@MattPowers209 Are there some douchebags talking sh*t, sure. There always are; this is MMA fans we're talking about. However, I would think that the general consensus would carry the same tone the guys did in this video: he's a legend, he's old, he's not the best, and yes, he is holding up the division by not fighting Aspinall. He has absolutely nothing to gain by doing so(at this point in his career. He would be absolutely destroyed, and for what?), so I don't blame him. I don't feel disrespectful saying any of that. This is all just my opinion, however.
@returnalnocturnal7729 He isn't supposed to be the champion of the world. He is in the twilight years of his HOF career, he has one fight remaining on his contract, and he has absolutely earned the right to go out with whomever he wants. That doesn't make him a joke.
In line for breakfast burritos, this is a good way to pass the time.
Breakfast burritos sounds incredible
Sucks the p4p #1 is scared to fight the best in the world at his weight class. Ducked francis, and is now ducking aspinall. Gsp is the GOAT
Hahahaha Jon accepted the Francis fight you dolt... 😂
If you think Jones or Francis ducked each other you don’t know MMA😂
@@itstheboxghost that's refreshing to see that not everyone is dumb as rocks...
Filthy casual, you’re as delusional as Aspinall 😂 Dude is a nobody in comparison to Jon. Jon is the winningest champ in the history of all mma. If Jon wants to go out on fighting Stipe then that’s his choice, he has always fought the best of the best. You all need to give it a goddamn rest, makes me sick.
You mean #2 p4p
Thank you for saying “no one wants to see Stipe” because it’s true and everyone pretends like they care about seeing him because they’re afraid of being called a casual
I want to see stipe. Guy is a legend and is such a great guy. It's always a treat when guys like stipe are given big opportunities and put in the spotlight. I would rather see a subpar stipe fight over an aspinall fight, any day.
Why don't we want to see Stipe? Man has the most title defenses in Heavyweight history, beat Francis and DC and didn't get a chance to redeem himself. Yet, he gets knocked out once and everyone acts like he's Tony Ferguson or Cowboy when we haven't seen him fight and don't know what condition he's in.
@@Bushido_Brown. He got floored by the heaviest hands in his division and is considerably older than Cowboy and Ferguson, there is good reason to be aphrehensive about how capable he is
@@Bushido_Brown. He has the most title defenses in heavyweight history which is remarkable, but this isn’t the same Stipe anymore. Essentially him vs Jones is a title fight where one guy is waaay past his prime and the other guy has like 1-2 more fights left in him before he also starts the downside of his career if not retires.
@raul350raptor you guys are acting like stipe has 6 title defenses. he has 1 more title defense than Brock Lesner. anderson silva has twice as many title defenses than stipe and he wasnt gifted title shot after title shots after ko losses.
let stipe earn it. he should have fought pavlovich and if he beat pavlovich no one would have questioned stipe getting that fight but he was kod twice in his last 4 fights and people want to see fighters who have a good CHANCE to beat a champion
A lot of KO artists have knocked people out in succession before plenty but not in the way Tom seemingly does it.
It never feels like he is KOing people solely due to his power...it always feels like a combo of his power, speed and skill.
Not even Conor would be able to get away with cherry picking like this.
Holly shit what's wrong with dude in the yellow? Tom is only the interim champ because the UFC was protecting the Stipe/Jones fight. If the UFC didn't care about that fight they would have pushed for Pav/Stipe and Pav would either be interim or #1 contender. The UFC has a cash cow fight with two people who's expiry date is rapidly approaching. This is still a business so they will naturally do the things that make money first.
I think the Jon vs Stipe fight expired a while ago tbh.
@@Juel92 Granted the fight is meaningless, but it will make more money than Aspinall vs anybody. Pretty sure everyone could tell the idea was Sergei would win and and the UFC would then go to work trying to set up a fight with Jones.
@@Juel92 Nothing's ever expired in the UFC if they can sell it right
@@datfnguy3844 I'm not sure Jon vs Stipe would do better numbers than Jon vs Tom nowadays. Jon vs Tom actually excites the fanbase. Jon vs Stipe excites almost no one. And I think Stipe fans would watch his next fight regardless if it's against Jon or not and I think the same thing goes for Jon fans.
The UFC gives belts because they need one for the DATE, not because it’s an actual Championship Belt. Tom was HW UFC Champion for that night only and the UFC doesn’t see him as a champion
I also think Tom would starch Jon pretty quickly. Jon showed us literally nothing in that fight with Gane. He grappled a non grappler and took a kick to the nads. We really don't know what Jon at Heavyweight looks like.
the new guy, Tiny Aspinall, has some really good points. All 3 of them are very well-informed and articulated really
I wish the UFC would make Jones the Champion in recess allowing for Aspinall to fight for his vacant title and when Jones returns he can get a shot back at his title immediately.
But he’s already said he refuses to fight Aspinall. So he should just be stripped.
This is the way. The only two people making sense in a crazy shitty match making world of ufc
Dana- "the best fight the best here"
ALSO Dana- "Legacy Champion of the World"
Damn, these convos have become a seriously necessary part of my UFC content. Dope stuff chaps
I think the main issue nobody mentions is there no actual system the gets you to the title. The "he deserves/doesn't deserve for x reason" is what causes the whos next issue even time. Every other sport has a way that gets you to the championship. Personally i think the PFL system is the perfect balance of meritocracy and encouraging entertainment
What y’all are missing is this: Dana says Stipe is the greatest heavyweight of all time, Dana says Jon is the best MMA of all time. Dana WANTS Jon to beat Stipe so then Dana can say “See Jon Jones is the greatest heavyweight and greatest MMA fighter of all time. If he books Stipe and Tom, Tom wins, it then diminishes Stipe’s legacy and Dana loses the chance to say See JJ is the best HW and Fighter of all time. Which is what Dana wants.
But what is a legacy if it was "set up" to remain undiminished? And... If Stipe were to lose to Tom, it wouldn't effect his legacy. He's past his prime and everybody knows it.
Them going with Tom vs Sergei instead of Stipe vs Sergei was such a weird choice even for the UFC. I mean I get why they did it but Dana had to have known that a Stipe win for Jon is very rapidly losing it's value and with Jon's injury being as bad as it is making Stipe wait longer at his age is really dumb.
protecting stipe, sergei would've finished him
If Jones didn't get injured, Aspinall wouldn't have gotten the interim shot against Pavlovich. If there was no interim title on the line in that fight, we would still be wanting the Jones vs. Miocic fight
No one has been wanting that fight for a while. The UFC really dropped the ball on this one. Also they should have gone with the backup vs Stipe like they would under any other circumstances.
This is the only sensible comment here.
But the fight did happen. The second the ufc booked an interim title fight, they immediately put the winner in the conversation. We can go on about what ifs, but the fight happened and Tom won. He’s at the top of the division and deserves the tittle shot
Correction it would still be booked** no one wanted to see Stipe fight. Heavyweight division is one of my favorites and I never understood the hype behind Stipe dude doesn't fucking speak he has no entertaining features besides his hands which he hasn't let fly in literal years
The thing I don’t understand is, they (the UFC/dana) announced/talked about how they were going to rebook stipe and jones before Tom’s fight even got announced. Tom took the fight knowing this, so while I understand his frustration he knew he was getting into
This is getting so old already. Dana has already said what's going on 10 times. They should of never made that an interim title to begin with and we wouldn't have this mess
the ufc should have had their contractually signed, pavlovich fight stipe. we wouldnt have these issues
@@GoodStuff1992 100% agree. And now they should make Stipe vs Aspinall because Jon is out for a while. Really no good reason to draw it out considering Stipes age.
Old like Stipe
If Jones cares about “legacy” so bad and wants to duck Tom, then strip him of the title and let him fight Stipe before riding off into the sunset. No need to ruin the division and let Tom defend a useless IC belt for no reason
Aspinall knew the story when he fought for the interim
This is one of the UFC’s biggest screw ups. It’s so stupid to have Tom defend the interim belt instead of fighting the champ. Stipe doesn’t deserve the fight he’s been so inactive and hasn’t beaten any of the current top guys in the division
Great upload, love the debate style stuff!
if any other fighter in ufc history did what Jon is doing they’d be stripped immediately and Dana would shit on them every chance he gets
Tom should fight Cyril. I mean besides Tom there aren’t any top clear contenders. If Tom looses to Gane then all this chat about him is pointless.
Strip Jon’s belt, Tom fights Stipe for it. Division carries on from there as normal until Jon is ready to return and then he gets a shot at whoever’s champ. That seems to me to be the fairest way to do it, but it’s probably not the way to make the most money so I doubt it’ll happen…
Jon is the GOAT
But this discussion is embarrassing and will genuinely hurt Jons legacy.
The majority of fans are new and have not and will not go and revisit Jons career and have genuinely just seen Tom KO the #1 contender
Jon jumped over everybody to get a title shot against a guy who got out wrestled by an injured Ngannou who is currently a top 10 WBC Boxer!
And now Jon is so entitled, he genuinely believes his LHW legacy is more important than Tom actually having HW fights and wins and a belt
Definitely the goat of injections
This will in no way will ruin Jon’s Jones legacy, if cocaine and hookers can’t ruin a man’s career I doubt very much that not accepting Tom as an opponent is gonna make us (actual long time fans of the sport) question his legacy as the greatest mma fighter of all. Like he simply has way too many accolades for y’all to make these outrageously stupid claims.
@EMG_Iman now is the most important time in his career, money is at its highest, interest too.
The newer fans are the majority of PPV buyers, and Jon is losing that allure in his current era with a lot of newer fans...
Same goes with Stipe, the more time passes, the less people think of his prime
If I'm Aspinall I just keep beating the rest of the division and make a mockery of someone holding the belt waiting for another inactive fighter.
Make the Stipe fight irrelevant.
The fact that people are easily forgetting that the belt is available for grabs after jones vs stipe because they are both retiring so that means no holder…. Is just hard for me not to use a certain word to quantify the stupidity.
Sad to say it but in Jones' mind I imagine it's Stipe or nothing, and he leaves his gloves in the ring following the bout.
He doesn't care about the 'right' thing for the division, so we'll sadly have to abandon the idea of a meritocracy on this one, despite Tom being ready and willing.
From a forecasters standpoint I believe the best outcome for all parties would be a Stipe victory over Jones. The billing of Interim Champ, New Gen Tom vs. Greatest Heavyweight of All Time Stipe (doing his best Randy Couture impression) would be the perfect changing of the guard.
Luke you kill me brother….Aspinall beats Jones in a round? Yeah that was the single worst take I’ve ever heard. 😂
He was sucking off Tom throughout the entire video and even mimic tom facial hair 😂
Tom knocks out the most dangerous heavyweight in 1 min who was active and on a first round finish streak, yet Tom knocking out 36 year old Jones, who lost to Santos and Reyes, and has 1 win against a striker at heavyweight is totally impossible.
Quit acting like you know anything about mma🤣
he does though. aspinall literally turned Jon into a Karen hahahah. already bitched Jon and stole his division, Jons so scared he wont even fight him
plus bro, if machida was wobbling prime Jon, aspinall could knock his lips off
@@benjaminsmith1328 everything you’ve said is so wrong 😂 Pavlovich is nowhere close to the most dangerous heavyweight. His best win was over Tai would took the fight on short notice after a war with Gane. Tom is skilled yes but neither of them hold a candle to Jon and what he has done and accomplished. Jon absolutely ruined both Santos and Reyes as well, what a dumb take. Santos had both his knees blown out and has never been the same. Reyes gets KO’d from a slap now and hasn’t won a fight since have a competitive lose to Jon which I do agree was a close fight. Nobody can say Jon runs from fights if you actually have watched his whole career. Dude has been stripped 3 times as well, of course he isn’t going to vacate by choice lmao.
Tom will forever be known as, Tom "Almost" Aspinall
He should stop crying over stipulations they already set and everybody knew before he fought for interim and defend it while getting paid pretty simple
Stipélations.
They killed heavyweight division. Overall, all divisions from 170 to 265 right now don't feel alive
Wait, unless he wants to fight the winner of Almeida/ Blaydes defending the interim belt he ought to keep improving in the gym
That's what I was gonna say he should wait for😂 He'll build his resume while Jon heals to make jon even more in his feelings so He'll be forced to take the fight
@@rollin60z Jon's not fighting him. Aspinall has no leverage. Stipe would have to get badly injured before the fight in order for Tom to step in.
@@rollin60zor maybe… get this right it msy be controversial… maybe build his resume by beating jones ????
We all know Jones only moved up to heavyweight to fight Ngannou secure the Heavyweight belt for his legacy and retire into the sunset. A few years ago seemed like a good path for him, but things didn’t turn out that way. Jones has no intention of fighting Aspinall and neither does Stipe. They’re both too old and have too much to lose against Tom. The UFC really should have done more to keep Ngannou and scout out some more young heavyweights because the division is basically Tom with no competition.
The UFC forced Anganu to leave. Jones didn't want to fight Anganu. The same is happening to Aspinall. We know they aren't too happy about it by keeping quiet. I wish Aspinall called out Jones for staining the sports and call him out harder. But I understand Aspinall is just one of those guys too respectful. He is really in a tough position and going against the company never pays off.
You lost credibility as soon as you misspelled Ngannou wrong twice.
Waitwaitwait, what does Maya Angelou have to do with this?
Us- Why IS "the Stipe thing" going on??
Dana- you don't know anything about this fucking business
Us- Soo...money then??
The options are: (A) Everybody waits for Jones vs Stipe. (B) Neither Jones nor Stipe fight again. Aspinall is champion and does a title defense against Gane or Blaydes.
There is no other option. Everything else is wishful thinking.
The UFC literally doing a boxing move by having 2 champions at the same weightclass each fighting someone else who no one cares about, even if the obvious fight that everyone wants to see is right there, all that while having Dana White continuously shitting on boxing is really funny and sad to me…
It’s wild that Stipe is even in the conversation. It’s been 3 years since he was knocked out. How he’s even in the top 5 of the division is mind blowing
same reason Jon was in the p4p list throughout his hiatus, the rankings are not entirely about activity and accomplishment, hype plays a part especially for p4p
The "champion" has 1 fight at heavyweight. The Stipe fight makes no sense. Should be Aspinal vs Miocic at 300
As much as i like your analysis, your systematic dismissal of Gane can be disappointing. Sure, the guy lost to (arguably) the GOAT, and against Nganou (to decision which is not a small feat). But he also got some pretty good victories againt tough opponents, is highranked (n°2 ou 3) and has yet to fight Aspinall. It would make sens for both of them.
Only real options for Jones:
- Vacate the title and do his "legacy fight" with Stipe Miocic.
- Fight the INTERM champ and number one contender Tom Aspinall.
Jones, is injured atm-so fine let him recover.
In the meantime, Tom will fight the winner of Curtis Blaydes and Jailton Almeida.
Then Jones and Aspinall at the end of the year.
Or actually, why not Aspinall vs Stipe? WTF
The dude on the left doesn’t have the ability to wait his turn to speak
So basically Tom doesn’t wanna hold up his end of the deal, you knew what you signed up for when you took the fight, Tom tore his knee up and took a year off, Jon tore his pec off the bone, and Tom’s tryna act like he didn’t need a year off, tryna rush him back is a cowards move.
The rankings already don’t mean shit to Jones. Now he wants the undisputed belt not mean shit. What exactly is Jones fighting for? He is defending a vacant belt against the 4th rank guy who hasn't fought in 4 years. What a shit show.
it’s like losses to ngannou don’t count anymore
Only downside to Tom v Stipe at 300, is the main event will go for 45 seconds.
I can hear both sides .. from Tom’s side I went through the gauntlet I’ve earned this title shot .. from Jon’s side the last super prospect you put in front of me got stopped in 60 seconds without landing a shot… what did that do for his legacy? And we all know the UFC will always choose money over sport lmao
Also Jones and Stipe could fight without the title on the line, their fight would still do numbers without the title on the line.
Guy in the yellow jumper is talking absolute facts. Fair play.
agreed
Heavy weight is easily the most dangerous division in combat sports. One punch can change a persons entire life trajectory. That being said, I can not comprehend why people say Stipe is the "Greatest Heavy-Weight of all time"? -Did everyone take some crazy pills and forget Stipe being beheaded in front of a live audience via Ngannou at UFC 260!? Stipe has massive brain damage and hasn't been cleared to fight for over 3 years and probably shouldn't fight ever again. *I am not a Doctor. And if I was I wouldn't clear Jones to professionally fight either. Jones has popped more times for performance enhancing drugs than the entire 1980s Russain Olympic Team combined! Neither Jones or Stipe should be allowed to be called Champion. Aspinall is Champ now.
He should rematch Blaydes. That score needs to be settled.
Why am I the only person saying this???
blaydes has a fight lined up vs almeida
Basically the UFC screwed themselves by putting this dumb interim title on it. It *only* makes sense from a money standpoint, because the fight itself is also probably going to be trash.
Also I’m sick of people saying this is a legacy fight. It’s not. It does absolutely nothing for Jones’ legacy, because Stipe is so far past his prime, this is always going to have an asterisk.
I really don't like the way you guys treat Charles Oliviera. The man defended the title against the whole top of the division in some of the most exciting fights we've ever seen. He loses once, and unlike many other former champs in the same position he takes a fight against the next top prospect and DESTROYS him. Still he doesn't get the shot at getting his title back. Why didn't you fight for him to get the next shot? He was by far the kost deserving. Now he's fighting Armin, an extremely dangerous guy, and you guys are treating it as though he's been ducking guys and is doing this after having his arm twisted. What other former champ is as game and willing as THAT guy? I lose respect for you guys every time you treat him as an undeserving footbote.
Why didn't you just ask Tom? He's right there in the yellow jumper. The camera angle makes him look small but I'm sure it's him, haha
You're missing the big reason for Stipe to fight roidman (aka Jones): $$$$$$$$$. Huge payday to retire on.
I don't thinks jones will be able to control Tom like he does with everyone else. Jones has 1 foot out the door already. He's gonna retire after his so called legacy fight. Why do you think that word keeps coming up. If he fights Tom his legacy will be tarnished and he knows it... it'll never happen unfortunately.
Before Tom fought Sergei he knew that Jon vs Stipe was going to happen. He knew that was the deal so he's got to eat it. Period.
No. It was a bad decision made hastily to save an event. Now that Tom is the interim champ, things are different. It's not too late to fix this, but there needs to be some compromise to maintain the integrity of the division.
@@meridianheights6255 But nothing has changed. Dana has his plan and that's that. I'm a fan of Tom but hastily or not, he knew the deal when he took the fight. All this is now sour grapes.
@@meridianheights6255 He is the interim champ & I'm a fan of his but he knew what he was getting into, like it or not.
Alex must feel like he’s going crazy lol the fight was announced and there were injuries. The stipe fight was made before Tom got his strap. It’s why he’s interim champion at all. The alternative is send stipe off with the promise of a big money fight only for it to fizzle. I honestly don’t mind sending stipe off with a bag given they had made the fight with genuine injuries delaying. You’re a mark is you’re worked up about Jon not wanting to fight Tom. The fight is already sold if that’s the case. Jon finally is selling his fights for once. And Tom is playing his part too. Heavyweights use their brains and there’s outrage haha Tom will go get his ppv pts money with the interim title, stack up a win or two, then fight Jon in a monster event.
Strong agree Tom v Stipe at UFC 300 makes perfect sense to me. Tom v Alex sounds like bad idea to me I think would be 1-sided fight.. I agree I think Tom could beat Jon too. I think Francis could also tbh. For me top 3 HW's in world are Francis, Jon, Tom imo. 17:06 exactly! 🎯 Who else is there? It's giving Tom impossible task! So true
The sad part is Jones vs Stipe doesn’t need the title involved. Neither of them even care about the belt in this fight. The UFC’s only solution really is to strip Jon and have the heavyweights carry on. Jones vs Stipe can still happen while Tom gets a chance to actually fight this year. If Jones has a problem with it, so be it.
These guys heavily biased towards Aspinall being a british champ. Somehow Stipe is too washed to fight Jones but and hasnt done anything to deserve it but at the same time is holding up the division for Aspinall. When realistically if thats the case Aspinall could just defend his interim belt against someone they think deserves it.
I think if you’re Jones, you vacate. All Bones wants is Stipe to punctuate his legacy and ride off to the sunset. Tom deserves to keep his strap and fight dudes that will still be relevant in 5 years.
The way I see it Tom is just as much of a champion as jones is… neither of them beat Francis. Tom should just defend his belt against the next best guy since jones doesn’t want to fight real contenders (like a champion should).
Is everyone forgetting that last time we saw Stipe, he was limping badly. He could barley walk to seat. Jones wants the easiest fight possible. They should strip Jones and keep the fight if they want. But give Tom the actual belt and keep the division moving
Have Gane fight winner of Blaydes v Almeida. Winner of Gane v (B or A) fights Tom for the interim.
Or just have Tom fight Gane next anyway. You just carry on like the interim is the actual title.
Pretend Jones v Stipe is its own thing.
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Everone has tunnel vision on this and doesnt realize the heavyweight division HAS to move slowly because there not many good matchups so if they happen fast the division dies
Only thing that makes sense is Stipe vs Tom while Jon is injured. If Stipe doesn't want it then move on from him. A #4 fighter can't have that much pull to hold up the division. If he does then winner fights Jon when he comes back to unify the belt.
Jones isn't even the second best heavyweight on the planet. It Goes, Tom, Francis then Jones.
The guy in the yellow is unbelievably biased towards UK fighters and it’s awful to listen to
Interim champ is #1 contender because it’s not a legit belt yet
Strip Jon, have Jones and Stipe fight when Jones is ready, (why does there need to be a title if they're both going to retire anyways, besides money) Have Alex and Tom fight for the official HW title at UFC 300. Hire me for matchmaking Dana.
I Think they are doing Tom dirty
I would also like to remind everyone that this EXACT situation has already happened when Bisping was champ as 185, he fought Dan Henderson and Rob fought Yoel as the interim. This isn’t some crazy shit that just happening cuz it’s Jon Jones. You all need to stop talking if you just started watching during the pandemic lmao.
Dana is Jones' biggest fan boy and is trying to set it up to say JJ is the best ever in any division.