Amazing video as always. Longtime Maschine user, here. When Maschine+ was announced, it was the catalyst that made me take a chance on an MPC One (open-box) for only $540. I absolutely love it. Just as much as my Maschine MK3. If anyone's on the fence about these two-- go the MK3 route, or the MPC One. Why the MK3? 3rd party plugin support (absolutely none on Maschine+), and all the storage/RAM you need (depending on your computer). I'm using Maschine on a 10-year old quad-core Dell with an SSD system drive, Windows 7, and 8gb ram (initially, now 32gb) and I had no issues whatsoever even with 8gb. It's stable, it runs everything, and it's the same thing. And, if your laptop has decent battery, your MK3 runs on USB power. Close the lid, and it's a Maschine+ for less than half the price. Re: battery-- the Krisdonia battery bank works great with the MPC One, and gives you 6-8 hours of runtime. If you have $1400 to spend, get both, because they're both awesome.
This was so helpful thank you! As I have an MPC and keen for a MK3 for its pros! Do you have the specs of your battery bank please that you power the MPC one with?
@Catholic Truth Sure, but the Maschine+ is a portable device. It's much more fair to compare it to the MPC One or Live/Live II in terms of hardware specs. The MPC X hardware is definitely in it's own class.
@Catholic Truth Nope! The Casio XW-PD1 TrackFormer was a standalone sampler/groovebox with a speaker made back in 2015.... It did suck, but it's "truly standalone" as well.
I've just bought the MPC One, and for the money it is fantastic. As regards the lack of plug-ins, that is no big deal. The onboard synth is good enough (on the road) to lay down a track, and when you get back into the studio you can hook up your favourite synth and use the midi data to play it back into an audio track. Or, auto sample your favourite synth, and then use the midi data to play that into a midi track. The best thing about the MPC One is is portability and its touchscreen. That puts it head and shoulders above anything else on the market, for me.
So far this has been the best demonstration MK III+ that I seen. Thanks for getting into the guts of the Maschine + and the comparison to other products.
You seriously have THE best gear review channel on RUclips. I’ve never felt pushed to buy something I didn’t want and you’re objective and balanced even when units are sent to you free of charge. I’m revisiting this as the Move is out now, and isn’t that much cheaper for only 4 tracks and vastly inferior features. If I can shift my MK3 and Push 2 I’d happily get one of these.
Thanks for taking the time to write - I really appreciate it. Re Move - I'll be reviewing it in a couple of weeks but I agree with you - I think it's for people for whom the utmost importance is portability and simplicity, or that really want a starting point to continue ideas in Ableton Live.
@@loopop Yeah I commented on a post about it just a while ago that personally, I think it's a neat and interesting 'gadget' for people with disposable income to add to their arsenal. But for someone without a computer looking to get into beat creation, an MPC or Maschine+ is just a far more attractive proposition.
Completely unrelated to this video: just wanted to give a 'thank you' for the Patreon book. I feel like this is the bible of synthesis. So well-written and with loads of ideas, that I hadn't thought of. I feel you've sparked creativity back into my workflow :) Thanks!
I love this review! Maschine+ have tons of synths, MPC has now 4 plugins including the latest DrumSynth from version 2.9 firmware. I can make full songs with just basic electric piano, analog modeling synth, and drum kits...I am overwhelemed with the plenty of plugins from Komplete or any expansions from both. I came from Maschine MK3 then sold it to switch to the MPC Live. I realized that Maschine+ is double the price of a Maschine MK3 but without internal battery, touch screen, and internal speakers (compared to the MPC Live II) which I found to be less practical to spend 1,200 to 1,400 dollars. I think a valid reason to get a Maschine+ if you do not have a decent computer to produce music or if your current computer keeps crashing when using a DAW or music softwares, but then the MPC One is still the practical choice. :)
The issue is you can get a decent enough laptop + a Maschine MK3 for less money in total. Especially if you don't care about getting a brandnew MK3. Or even better, get a Mikro MK2 used and a great laptop and you'd get even more for your money's worth. Even worse, Maschine+ DOES NOT support all available plug-ins, meaning you're SOL in some cases which is just 100% unacceptable for a $1200-1400 device.
This will be solved with new actulizacions is all ready on the table of ni so no worry's about it I own a Maschine plus and have a MacBook pro i7 and I have Maschine MK3 also but I decided to upgrade because the standalone mode and that is a beast Maschine the materials are really cool and I don't care about touchscreens because if is broken you're fucked up have to pay a lot for the screen plus the installation so I'm very comfortable with the plus i recommended highly and works with link with Traktor and Ableton or logic Pro X flawlessly the link option is great I recommend Maschine Plus over Akai MPC one but far away I had both and I sell the Akai i like the workflow of Ni Maschine and I have integrated the jam with the plus and I use them in control or standalone mode and works great is a perfect combo for the ones that are owners of the Jam or if you find one at good price because they are going up the prices instead of go down NI is making the Homework very good and comes a lot of super actualitations for Maschine and Maschine plus the flagship Equipment of Ni with the Sl49 MK2 that is beautiful controller and keyboard
I feel like the main factor with your setup is gonna be whether you use plug ins or you have analog equipment. Personally the best part of the mpc one is the multiple tracks, sequences and as a general midi master device. I use a lot of analog gear and never found my grove on a traditional daw, using the mpc like a live looper and sampler as well as a midi sequencer is pretty great. There are definitely clock issues but I've found that for myself just having analog equipment the mpc one is a game changer with 2.8 and the portability puts that track to edit generally anywhere as opposed to a pc. Don't get me wrong the machine is a better value if you're looking for just the best range, having a one time price access to all the NI plug in suite with a portable daw is worth it alone but as a lame ass analog purist, I'd have to point out the compatibility of midi ready analog devices that shines on the one to the others out there.
As a fan of the Yamaha QY series machines, I'm encouraged to see that with Maschine+, Deluge, 1010 BlackBox, etc, there seems to be a trend building toward what I guess could be termed the DAW box, as the next step up from the groovebox.
I think I've watched this video like 50 times now. So much good info. Ended up going with Maschine Mk3 because I'll be working at my desk near my laptop anyways and the UI on a laptop is always going to be better than a small screen with convoluted menus and functions.
Think I'll be going with the Mk3 too ne honest. I already use the S61 Mk2 which was one of the best purchases I ever made so I think I'll stick with NI for my Drum Machine in the new year.
NI can really compete with Akai if there will be a Maschine standalone that has touch screen, expandable internal storage (for SSD), internal speakers, and of course internal battery. I feel that the current Maschine+ is not enough to call it a standalone, because it is the price of two Maschine MK3 or two MPC One.
In comparing the MPC Live 2 to the Maschine +, another difference in regards to using either as a centerpiece is the Live has extra MIDI ins, outs and audio outs. I think the deciding factor is whether or not you're using whichever device mostly on its own or along with other hardware. I've used MPCs since 1992, so I always had the intention of using it with several synths at once. In my personal studio and on records I produced, I used 4. Plus I'm planning on using a modular synthesizer in the future.
I remember when the mpc touch and live came out people were screaming about how pointless the touch screen was and how they didn't need it. With the maschine everyone seems to love touch screens all of a sudden.
I bought the Mpc Live (original version) when it came out. I didn’t anticipate how big of an impact not being tethered to the PC would make (for me) creatively. I still use it a few days a week. It’s great to see more standalone products. Good job Maschine. The real value to me is the plugins vs what MPC offers.
I have a home studio which I'm still using Maschine MK2 with Logic but I also just purchased the Maschine Plus for when I want to go on my patio, when I'm on lunch break at work, whenever I'm flying out of town or taking road trips it works plus I'm not a sample type guy but the MPC live 2 is something I definitely like and would of bought if I sample music either way the way you utilize your art/talent you cant go wrong with either.... much love everybody keep creating no matter what you have blessings good luck 2021!!! Blessings!!!
Here's my 2 cents after owning the MPC LIVE Gen 1, Maschine MK3 and Jam. I use the MK3 and Jam as my centre piece in my studio. I use the MPC standalone and when I'm out of the studio. 1. Browser Functionality- The browser to me is worlds better on the Maschine. You can tag and organise your samples i maschine saving time and helping my creative process. MPC is rather more manual and cumbersome to find your sounds (I am highly organised with my folders too). NI have just made finding particular sounds such a breeze. 2. NKS System: Another workflow advantage of NI is the NKS system you can browse presets on 3rd party plugins as thought they came stock with the maschine. Check out more on this. I don't use outboard gear/synths so cant speak to that integration. But have to say I do enjoy the workflow on the maschine especially paired with my jam. The MPC is just amazing as well, while my missus is doing her retail therapy, I opt to remain in the car and without any fuss can start sampling off my phone or downloading sounds from splice and get to work.
As an Mpc One owner, the Maschine+ certainly seems to have a better workflow and freedom with clips. Quite often I get to a point on the MPC one and think ‘I should have just written this in FL Studio or Ableton’, even though I prefer the interaction of using hardware.
eek! i'm considering an mpc one and that's exactly what is concerning me, the arranger / song mode is something which is there in every DAW, yet in hardware it seems a rare luxury :-s
Listen folks,good content..As soon as something comes out,some one is swearing the last thing is slower,worse,different,outdated,blah,blah,blah.In the meantime,there's folks out here using Stuff like Portastudios,AkaiS612/Ensoniq EPS16+s,and a home desktop from CostCo,and they are making music/money.Take your time,unless you are getting $500,000 to finish an LP in a week,learn the gear you have,manage your time,learn how to compose,and make some great music.If you need a computer,invest heavily in RAM,storage,and find some great open source to go along with your commercial software.
Outstanding video here, second to none, incredibly helpful even if you made up your mind or have invested into one or both systems already. Thanks for putting this up.
Being able to load my own custom Reaktor ensembles imakes the difference between wanting this or not for me. This is the first I’ve heard of it. Everything else I saw or read said it wasn’t supported so I had just about written the Maschine + off. NI really should let Reaktor and Kontakt owners know. Thanks for another great video that gets into the important details!
Great comparison Loopop! I wish we could swap the CPU of the Maschine+ to boost it (like any other computer) if we are unhappy with the native CPU. Maybe they will add variations of the Maschine+ in the future!? Great video!
Great job LP! Looks very promising... i think they really need to fix the interface so that we can see the macros clearly on their instruments. Now it’s your turn... Ableton....
The browsing is just super convoluted on Maschine, made with proprietary Preset Packs in mind.. This was one of the main reasons why i got a real hardware sampler that is optimized for working with files and folders effectively. It's funny that they replicated the reasons for leaving the PC-Maschine behind for Hardware in their own first standalone entry. The Software is still the same and the screen heavily underutilized for showing pretty artwork rather than useful informations (curves, spectrum, motion, helpful iconography).
Great video! very logic assessment and I agree with it all! I have to just mention the reason why I think nobody should buy this along with what you mentioned: The unit has limited processing power compared to a PC and as time goes on that power cannot be increased like you can by buying a new PC or upgrading. I have troubles with running multiple instances of Kontakt on a top end iMac Pro, never mind on a low spec processor!!!! Spec: Intel Atom quad-core processor (ONLY QUAD?) and 4GB of RAM (WOW MY PHONE HAS THE SAME...). Built-in storage is 32GB (TINY), used to install the OS and factory sounds, meaning the aforementioned SD card and USB slots handle all user storage (ADDITIONAL SPEND REQUIRED!!!). I'm sorry but you can buy a Macbook Pro OR iMac OR Windows Laptop/PC for the same price as this and it will do everything this does and more in a smaller form factor! What were they thinking! My thoughts are that they should have made a modular system where in the future you can upgrade things like battery, processor etc. Anyways, Peace out and keep up the good content! :)
Kind music people, if you are like me and watching your 11th Maschine + video, I urge you to utilize the 1.25 or 1.5 speed setting. Actually, most of youtube is better this way. It's youtube's built in warp setting. Have a nice day.
Any issues with latency when using Maschine+ to trigger and automate cc’s for external gear like drum machines? Does CPU stress cause the latency to increase or is there latency compensation / buffer settings to trade latency for CPU capacity?
only thing I'm missing is sampling quality comparison! maybe you could make a small vid about that. MPC's tend to sound nicer with hot signals, so it'd be interesting to see how machine+ stacks up
I got the MK3 because I produce in the Box with Ableton Live and I use anyway the MAC. The MK3 needs only a USB Cable and not necessary to use a power supply like a Maschine + and the most benefit of the MK3 is, when using Massive or any Plugin, you can edit easily on the computer screen and you have access of all parameters. If you use Maschine + you don't have access to all Parameters and is hard to change any setting on the Synth!
Totally agree with the Mk+ GUI's ... surely we should have envelopes on the screens instead of mini plugin gui's???? What about an assignable lfo in effects section and waveform gui's? Like a midi clip import folder on the SD Card.. Keep up the great work @ loopop.... Much appreciated dude ❤️
Great vid as always, thanks! Pricing is still a huge deal I think, is M+ really worth double? Hmmmm Not so sure. $999 maybe..... but $1400 is a steep jump that requires a lot of justification, and I'm not sure NI has provided that.
Mk3 bundled with komplete 13 sounds like a much better deal if I had that budget available for ni products only but as many of us now often we just want to have the latest hyped toys instead of what really makes sense for us. But I agree. If I didn't have a mpc from the current line allrdy I think I'd grab the live mk2 over the m+. Still I think the Maschine looks great so far but the price seems a bit off
Just got my Plus Friday Love it I’ve owned every Maschine made💪🏾🚀🚀🚀 I also Own the MPC Live II but the NI workflow is 🔥 and 80% of the features at the making of this video now work or you can do.
You are 100% right on Q-links. I think the problem is that there are so many screens, pages and parameters where they could be useful, that designers have just put it on a user shoulders to arrange (program) them. And programming them is headache for me to tell the truth. BTW if anyone has useful tips on programming Q-links the better way, please let me know.
Really helpful video showing that the Maschine+ has not really been designed for DAWless, you still need a computer to use it, unliked the Roland MC-707 for example.
Biggest gripe for me between the two is the MK3 has a “mic in gain” and the + has an “input gain” knob. Which owners know with the MK3 to get a decent sample recording from the inputs you needed an extra Audio I/O to get a good level unless you were comfortable using the normalize feature every time you sample external sources which I found very limiting for me vs. the MPC lineup which all units have a gain stage knob for sampling. That and the limited 4 GB of Ram in the + vs. a laptop with up to 16GB attached to the MK3.
I don't know, but MPC One is not the directly challenger to M+. I think that MPC live 2 would be an opponent whether we consider the price. Nice vídeo.
All in all Machine + is still developing and hopefully will be even better, especially taking into consideration it's price. I was really surprised that CPU is overloaded sometimes - hope those limitations are fixable and just a matter of time. Thanks for the video!
I think CPU overload will never be fixed because you can always load more stuff. They only can make restrictions, like in the MPCs were only 8 synth tracks are aloud. To keep it open and let every user find his own limits I think is much better.
So many thoughts I have on this, but possible the most slept on feature is that this is basically competing with Behringer and Arturia for massive (pun intended) synth power. It's basically a stand alone Massive synth with 56+ channels of MIDI (if you want to think about it replacing 56 actual synths). And also a stand alone Monarch, which quite directly competes with even Moog, especially since you have shown here that you can load at least 8 Monarchs and keep that same CPU suck. My computer with almost exact speed as in this video cannot do that without CPU shooting to 400% and going into heat stress. And yes, the drum synths are pretty sick, people and this also competes with all those hardware drum machines that Roland and Behringer are coming with that give you one single set of drums. REPEAT: PLEASE USE DRUM SYNTHS IN YOUR MASCHINE AND ADD SOME PLUG INS, TRUST ME. This thing (and all Maschines) has instant knob control over all your drum synth parameters and if you use the macros on a group level to assign your favs, it can start to get to Jeff Mills 909 knob twisting fun level. And again, you can have more than one group of these things, while an RD-8 is just an RD-8, without even going into the level of sound shaping you can do with effects in Maschine vs any modern 808/909 clone. And trust me, I am not hating on those other drum machines and I want all of them, LOL! But when you consider the power of one drum synth group, another straight sample group (maybe resampled to save CPU, gasp, like every great drum machine of all time), and then like 4 Massive patches and 4 Monarchs... that kinda seems like enough and if you can't make musical vibes with that, you aren't good at music at all. And guys and gals; this should be stated in every video: In my humble and somewhat expert opinion, they should not even be allowing these demos yet, since basically everyone is still in BETA mode. My guess is performance will increase by maybe 5% by release and in the coming year(s) with future updates it could be even better, which doesn't sound like a lot, but when you're already running 60 Massive patches you might notice, LOL. Have a nice day finger bangers, and don't forget to spend half your time on synths or you are really missing the boat. God dammit, NI just needs to ship me mine already so I can do my own review, UGH! LOLOLOL! Kindest regards, Loopop! You've got the best demos in the game, I've watched many during these last months and greatly appreciate and learn from your fine work. NI was smart to send you one first:) A few of these other guys, WTF?! LOLOL. Have a nice day, finger bangers!
Thanks very much for the thoughtful comment and kind words. By the way, while I never accept any direction from companies on what should or shouldn't be in my videos, because I did get early access to a beta, before I made the stress test I asked NI if from a performance perspective what we have now is what can be expected from the first version of + and the answer was yes (otherwise I agree there would be no point in the whole thing). Indeed of course they may improve performance in the future...
If we're talking about cpu usuage, what allot of people even those on pc and fl studio etc do is render out the melodies into waves to create less cpu stress and to allow for additional melody modification...
Also: Try to locate someone who has actually adopted one of these boxes as an ongoing setup, and ask them what they like and don't like - and especially: Ask them how _solid_ the firmware is - like, are there any frustrating issues that never get fixed.
loopop ohh I see what you’re saying now. Yea, I think the only way to do that is create your own custom expansions with the mpc expansion builder software. Anyway, great info as always. Very much appreciated.
So basically: If you have outboard gear to sequence you are better off with the MPC One. If you are working in the box then Maschine Plus has better on board sounds. If you are working in the box and you don't mind connecting to a computer than Maschine mark 3 is the best option. Newbie just starting off and only has a computer? Maschine mk3 Musician who wants to go completely DAWless with their outboard gear? MPC One Maschine user who has always wanted the standalone option? Maschine Plus. Is that correct?
I don't think it's that simple with regards to sequencing outboard gear-it seems like the main difference there is that the MPC has CV/Gate outs, but you only need that if you have modular gear and no other way to convert MIDI to CV. If you want to multisample outboard gear to create software instruments, the MPC probably wins due to the autosample feature.
so for me personally the only thing that makes me jelly as a akai mpc live user was the ability to use the external audio interface for more audio ins and outs. That was pretty nifty! I own all the NI instruments already and they are cool. But I went standalone to integrate external analog synths.
I've been trolling the forums where people try hacks on the Akai machines, and apparently in older versions of the firmware there was *accidental* support for external audio interfaces that was then "patched out" in later versions. Because the Akai machines just run Akai software on a Linux OS, it did this automatically with class compliant USB interfaces. If Maschine+ supports this, it may force Akai's hand to support class compliant external audio in the future. If they are forced to do that to compete, then the mpc line and the Force will become insanely powerful. I've come to love having automated effects on the inputs, then running out of the alternate outputs. Having 4 more of each would be so incredible! IMO they also just need a handful of better plugins for most users to choose Akai, but I already compliment the Force with keygroup programs of analog synths and a couple pieces of hardware to expand the capabilities, so it doesn't matter that much to me.
@@inthefade yea, well said and I agree completely. Might open a feature request just to get it on Akai supports radar (if not) and I have been eyeing up the Force for a few months now. That update the beta community has now is going to make the Force super awesome and resisting every day picking up someone's force they are selling like new lol Yes, the plugins are kind of lacking honestly on akai side. I tried the ableton sync and just used some of ableton plug ins for testing and found a lot of them sounded super clean. Like you said not really a big deal when you could build an fx chain off if mpc/mixer/audio interface or use external gear and effects.
@@inthefade Oh 1 thing Akai really needs to fit in on the Force though is the ability to launch Midi clips. It would really be the optimal workflow instead of what is being done in the Beta.
I’ve been debating between a bunch of different groove boxes… I think I’m headed toward the mpc one. Still watching videos and still debating, but thanks for this video… on to the mpc one videos 😂
@@GregDixson yeah definitely looks like I’m getting one… Also gonna pick up a few cheaper synths/ groove boxes too like the model samples and the sonicware stuff is looking dope too
I Love that mpc one. I just have a soft spot for Akai 😁 I can't figure out why one would get maschine+🤔 All those things you still have to go to the computer for, and when you turn off the mkiii controller..... You still have a computer 😄
I think stand alone is a nice option and sets it apart from other devices. It's an absolute game changer. I'm excited to see how they develop and improve upon stand alone devices. A maschine , a headset , and im good to go to the park or beach. A beautiful setting can inspire beautiful music.
Great review! Here's a rant. I really wanted to love these standalone units but I just can't. Coming from an electronics background there really is no reason for the Maschine+ and the AKAI MPC range packing as little punch as they do. Where's the battery on this one, NI ? Speaking of batteries, on a real world scenario you get about 3 hours of use before you're scrambling for a charger on an MPC touch. Their OS has so much potential but as it stands it's rough around the edges to say the least. Where's pinch to zoom? I can buy a 300 quid iPad that comes standard with GarageBand that fares way better in any touchscreen use scenario. And I hate some of GarageBand's work flows... Also, the battery lasts way longer and, you know, it's a full blown computer rather than a glorified standalone app. You're paying a premium for having a dedicated piece of hardware that fares worse in any real life use scenario than its computer controller counterparts. I'll wait till competition heats up and these companies bring their hardware to the 21st century. Until then, I'll stick to my mikro mk3 and old school hardware synths and samplers.
You gotta be kidding if you think garage band on a iPad can hold up to a MpC. The midi capabilities alone with blow an iPad out of the water. As in controlling other pieces of hardware. I use my MpC to control sounds in my iPad. Not the other way around. Also, the sampling capabilities on a iPad can’t compare to a MpC. . I can keep going down a long list of technicals but it all boils down to the type of sound you like and what you are trying to achieve sonically. Some people also want to get away from sitting in front of a computer/iPad screen all day as they may do it for other areas in the lives. There is a benefit to having less tempting distractions when creating... that is also to be considered. I think you’re in a DAW mindset. Stand alone is another level of creating. .. but it’s not for everyone.
Agree completely. I bought an MPC Live so I could spend some time away from the computer but after losing patience with their poor UI choices I'm going right back to Ableton. Makes me wish AKAI would open source the OS so the community could fix their product.
Heathcliff Some producers like to create certain tasks away from the computer. Like on a sofa, in bed, in a park or backyard. Some perform live at a show. The battery is very handy for those that like to create in different environments that can affect their sound and creativity.
If you started on software, believe me when I tell you, no piece of hardware will ever compete. You might wait for ever tbh. The reason people buy these machines is for the fact they have limitations and for the tactile control. That's it. I have an MPC One and while I love it, I realize it will never compete with Logic plus a bunch of plugins. Just understand the purpose of these. Don't expect the end all be all because it may never come. We already have it in our computer..
Amazing video as always. Longtime Maschine user, here. When Maschine+ was announced, it was the catalyst that made me take a chance on an MPC One (open-box) for only $540. I absolutely love it. Just as much as my Maschine MK3. If anyone's on the fence about these two-- go the MK3 route, or the MPC One. Why the MK3? 3rd party plugin support (absolutely none on Maschine+), and all the storage/RAM you need (depending on your computer). I'm using Maschine on a 10-year old quad-core Dell with an SSD system drive, Windows 7, and 8gb ram (initially, now 32gb) and I had no issues whatsoever even with 8gb. It's stable, it runs everything, and it's the same thing. And, if your laptop has decent battery, your MK3 runs on USB power. Close the lid, and it's a Maschine+ for less than half the price. Re: battery-- the Krisdonia battery bank works great with the MPC One, and gives you 6-8 hours of runtime. If you have $1400 to spend, get both, because they're both awesome.
This was so helpful thank you! As I have an MPC and keen for a MK3 for its pros!
Do you have the specs of your battery bank please that you power the MPC one with?
This is unbelievably helpful. Thanks for your hard work on this video!
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Did u buy the m+?
My sentiments
I think the Maschine+ is good news for MPC users! The competition should motivate Akai to improve their platform and continue to add features.
@Catholic Truth Sure, but the Maschine+ is a portable device. It's much more fair to compare it to the MPC One or Live/Live II in terms of hardware specs. The MPC X hardware is definitely in it's own class.
@Catholic Truth Nope! The Casio XW-PD1 TrackFormer was a standalone sampler/groovebox with a speaker made back in 2015.... It did suck, but it's "truly standalone" as well.
If I was a Maschine user it wouldn't make much sense to me to spend money on this. Thats a mk3 and a laptop or mk3 and komplete 13.
At the one's price point, it is obliterating N.I right now tho
@@drizzl8899 imo that's its biggest downfall. pay double the price of an MK3 just to go computerless?
I've just bought the MPC One, and for the money it is fantastic. As regards the lack of plug-ins, that is no big deal. The onboard synth is good enough (on the road) to lay down a track, and when you get back into the studio you can hook up your favourite synth and use the midi data to play it back into an audio track. Or, auto sample your favourite synth, and then use the midi data to play that into a midi track. The best thing about the MPC One is is portability and its touchscreen. That puts it head and shoulders above anything else on the market, for me.
This is review is simply phenomenal and answers all the questions I had about the unit.
So far this has been the best demonstration MK III+ that I seen. Thanks for getting into the guts of the Maschine + and the comparison to other products.
You seriously have THE best gear review channel on RUclips. I’ve never felt pushed to buy something I didn’t want and you’re objective and balanced even when units are sent to you free of charge.
I’m revisiting this as the Move is out now, and isn’t that much cheaper for only 4 tracks and vastly inferior features. If I can shift my MK3 and Push 2 I’d happily get one of these.
Thanks for taking the time to write - I really appreciate it. Re Move - I'll be reviewing it in a couple of weeks but I agree with you - I think it's for people for whom the utmost importance is portability and simplicity, or that really want a starting point to continue ideas in Ableton Live.
@@loopop Yeah I commented on a post about it just a while ago that personally, I think it's a neat and interesting 'gadget' for people with disposable income to add to their arsenal. But for someone without a computer looking to get into beat creation, an MPC or Maschine+ is just a far more attractive proposition.
Completely unrelated to this video: just wanted to give a 'thank you' for the Patreon book. I feel like this is the bible of synthesis. So well-written and with loads of ideas, that I hadn't thought of. I feel you've sparked creativity back into my workflow :) Thanks!
Thanks very much both for the comment and your support - totally my pleasure!
The effort put into this review and its quality are phenomenal, great job!
Would love to see this revisited with the new update on the mpc 😁😁
I love this review! Maschine+ have tons of synths, MPC has now 4 plugins including the latest DrumSynth from version 2.9 firmware. I can make full songs with just basic electric piano, analog modeling synth, and drum kits...I am overwhelemed with the plenty of plugins from Komplete or any expansions from both. I came from Maschine MK3 then sold it to switch to the MPC Live. I realized that Maschine+ is double the price of a Maschine MK3 but without internal battery, touch screen, and internal speakers (compared to the MPC Live II) which I found to be less practical to spend 1,200 to 1,400 dollars. I think a valid reason to get a Maschine+ if you do not have a decent computer to produce music or if your current computer keeps crashing when using a DAW or music softwares, but then the MPC One is still the practical choice. :)
The issue is you can get a decent enough laptop + a Maschine MK3 for less money in total. Especially if you don't care about getting a brandnew MK3. Or even better, get a Mikro MK2 used and a great laptop and you'd get even more for your money's worth. Even worse, Maschine+ DOES NOT support all available plug-ins, meaning you're SOL in some cases which is just 100% unacceptable for a $1200-1400 device.
This will be solved with new actulizacions is all ready on the table of ni so no worry's about it I own a Maschine plus and have a MacBook pro i7 and I have Maschine MK3 also but I decided to upgrade because the standalone mode and that is a beast Maschine the materials are really cool and I don't care about touchscreens because if is broken you're fucked up have to pay a lot for the screen plus the installation so I'm very comfortable with the plus i recommended highly and works with link with Traktor and Ableton or logic Pro X flawlessly the link option is great I recommend Maschine Plus over Akai MPC one but far away I had both and I sell the Akai i like the workflow of Ni Maschine and I have integrated the jam with the plus and I use them in control or standalone mode and works great is a perfect combo for the ones that are owners of the Jam or if you find one at good price because they are going up the prices instead of go down NI is making the Homework very good and comes a lot of super actualitations for Maschine and Maschine plus the flagship Equipment of Ni with the Sl49 MK2 that is beautiful controller and keyboard
Best reviewer in the game! 👊🏽
Absolutely excellent breakdown. Thanks always loopop.
I feel like the main factor with your setup is gonna be whether you use plug ins or you have analog equipment. Personally the best part of the mpc one is the multiple tracks, sequences and as a general midi master device. I use a lot of analog gear and never found my grove on a traditional daw, using the mpc like a live looper and sampler as well as a midi sequencer is pretty great. There are definitely clock issues but I've found that for myself just having analog equipment the mpc one is a game changer with 2.8 and the portability puts that track to edit generally anywhere as opposed to a pc. Don't get me wrong the machine is a better value if you're looking for just the best range, having a one time price access to all the NI plug in suite with a portable daw is worth it alone but as a lame ass analog purist, I'd have to point out the compatibility of midi ready analog devices that shines on the one to the others out there.
As a fan of the Yamaha QY series machines, I'm encouraged to see that with Maschine+, Deluge, 1010 BlackBox, etc, there seems to be a trend building toward what I guess could be termed the DAW box, as the next step up from the groovebox.
I think I've watched this video like 50 times now. So much good info. Ended up going with Maschine Mk3 because I'll be working at my desk near my laptop anyways and the UI on a laptop is always going to be better than a small screen with convoluted menus and functions.
Think I'll be going with the Mk3 too ne honest. I already use the S61 Mk2 which was one of the best purchases I ever made so I think I'll stick with NI for my Drum Machine in the new year.
@@thedeadpoet_33 Me too 👍🏻
Makes so much sense to go for the MK3. When the +PLUS doesn't offer any benefits worth considering. Still needs a power supply haha
This needs to be updated. The firmware update and price of the MPC One vs. Machine + IMHO makes the MPC One amazing value.
Now even more since 2.11 (or 3.2 on the Force)
NOTHING beats those beasts right now.
Great work as always!
Thanks - much appreciated!
Amazing work brother. Honestly, i can't think of anything you DIDN'T cover.
Yes! Nothing like some good competition, to get Akai back in the game!
NI can really compete with Akai if there will be a Maschine standalone that has touch screen, expandable internal storage (for SSD), internal speakers, and of course internal battery. I feel that the current Maschine+ is not enough to call it a standalone, because it is the price of two Maschine MK3 or two MPC One.
In comparing the MPC Live 2 to the Maschine +, another difference in regards to using either as a centerpiece is the Live has extra MIDI ins, outs and audio outs. I think the deciding factor is whether or not you're using whichever device mostly on its own or along with other hardware. I've used MPCs since 1992, so I always had the intention of using it with several synths at once. In my personal studio and on records I produced, I used 4. Plus I'm planning on using a modular synthesizer in the future.
I remember when the mpc touch and live came out people were screaming about how pointless the touch screen was and how they didn't need it. With the maschine everyone seems to love touch screens all of a sudden.
MPC heads shit on everything. Seen people knocking the 4GB of ram but their MPC has half that.
I'm firmly in that camp and not budging at all. Hate touch screens, and anything that involves cell phone integration.
Good point!
Maschine does not have touch screen :/
@@txbrown_ we know, that was the whole point of his comment 😂
Would make more sense a comparison between Maschine+ vs Akai Force.
I bought the Mpc Live (original version) when it came out. I didn’t anticipate how big of an impact not being tethered to the PC would make (for me) creatively. I still use it a few days a week. It’s great to see more standalone products. Good job Maschine. The real value to me is the plugins vs what MPC offers.
Give Akai few days ;)
i had this experience when i bought the octatrack. extreme creativity boost!
@@Artek604 make that years
Pc laptops kill creativity i agree
@@boimesa8190 All points to days, actually. 1 in best case scenario :)
Well, this is a lovely way to start a sunday. Thanks.
Thank you Loopop, as always you put a lot of hard work into teaching the masses so they can make an educated purchase decision.
Always a pleasure to hear your reviews
I have a home studio which I'm still using Maschine MK2 with Logic but I also just purchased the Maschine Plus for when I want to go on my patio, when I'm on lunch break at work, whenever I'm flying out of town or taking road trips it works plus I'm not a sample type guy but the MPC live 2 is something I definitely like and would of bought if I sample music either way the way you utilize your art/talent you cant go wrong with either.... much love everybody keep creating no matter what you have blessings good luck 2021!!! Blessings!!!
Damn, this video explained so much and gave such a clear representation of the pro’s and cons. Thanks a lot man! You’re a great instructor!
Here's my 2 cents after owning the MPC LIVE Gen 1, Maschine MK3 and Jam.
I use the MK3 and Jam as my centre piece in my studio. I use the MPC standalone and when I'm out of the studio.
1. Browser Functionality- The browser to me is worlds better on the Maschine. You can tag and organise your samples i maschine saving time and helping my creative process. MPC is rather more manual and cumbersome to find your sounds (I am highly organised with my folders too). NI have just made finding particular sounds such a breeze.
2. NKS System: Another workflow advantage of NI is the NKS system you can browse presets on 3rd party plugins as thought they came stock with the maschine. Check out more on this.
I don't use outboard gear/synths so cant speak to that integration. But have to say I do enjoy the workflow on the maschine especially paired with my jam.
The MPC is just amazing as well, while my missus is doing her retail therapy, I opt to remain in the car and without any fuss can start sampling off my phone or downloading sounds from splice and get to work.
Thanks for your service :)
MPC one for sure. Easiest and most straight forward way to make beats.
Your opinión Made me make a good decision , Mpc one easier
@@eddmtz4028 glad I could help.
As an Mpc One owner, the Maschine+ certainly seems to have a better workflow and freedom with clips. Quite often I get to a point on the MPC one and think ‘I should have just written this in FL Studio or Ableton’, even though I prefer the interaction of using hardware.
eek! i'm considering an mpc one and that's exactly what is concerning me, the arranger / song mode is something which is there in every DAW, yet in hardware it seems a rare luxury :-s
Same! MPC one is a bit of a headache for me in regards to workflow
"That's what I do for science."👍
Wow. I literally had this dream last night and look at what you did here. Thanks for this. 🙏🏼
Thank you very much for this detailed review loopop.
And thank you all the good people you support this channel on Patreon 👍
Listen folks,good content..As soon as something comes out,some one is swearing the last thing is slower,worse,different,outdated,blah,blah,blah.In the meantime,there's folks out here using Stuff like Portastudios,AkaiS612/Ensoniq EPS16+s,and a home desktop from CostCo,and they are making music/money.Take your time,unless you are getting $500,000 to finish an LP in a week,learn the gear you have,manage your time,learn how to compose,and make some great music.If you need a computer,invest heavily in RAM,storage,and find some great open source to go along with your commercial software.
Outstanding video here, second to none, incredibly helpful even if you made up your mind or have invested into one or both systems already. Thanks for putting this up.
It would be really fun if you could run special version of Traktor on this with the two screens
Imagine
33:48 The superpower we all wish we had.
Naaah.. I dont want it.
Being able to load my own custom Reaktor ensembles imakes the difference between wanting this or not for me. This is the first I’ve heard of it. Everything else I saw or read said it wasn’t supported so I had just about written the Maschine + off. NI really should let Reaktor and Kontakt owners know. Thanks for another great video that gets into the important details!
So Kontakt and Reaktor are compatible?
Great comparison Loopop! I wish we could swap the CPU of the Maschine+ to boost it (like any other computer) if we are unhappy with the native CPU. Maybe they will add variations of the Maschine+ in the future!? Great video!
Great job LP! Looks very promising... i think they really need to fix the interface so that we can see the macros clearly on their instruments. Now it’s your turn... Ableton....
Thanks for the comparision and this very informative video
Another great vid, Helping the community!
my first video from you.... EXCELLENT JOB on all!!!!!! thanks so much!!
Great review. Soon or later Maschine Plus with 8 cores cpu, single touchscreen display, 16GB ram, 1TB ssd, tb4, 192Khz.
$3k
Your videos are always incredible man! Love it
got the Akai Force , and not interested of buying Machine, but was watching your review with the pleasure ! thanks for your work !
The browsing is just super convoluted on Maschine, made with proprietary Preset Packs in mind.. This was one of the main reasons why i got a real hardware sampler that is optimized for working with files and folders effectively. It's funny that they replicated the reasons for leaving the PC-Maschine behind for Hardware in their own first standalone entry. The Software is still the same and the screen heavily underutilized for showing pretty artwork rather than useful informations (curves, spectrum, motion, helpful iconography).
Great video! very logic assessment and I agree with it all! I have to just mention the reason why I think nobody should buy this along with what you mentioned:
The unit has limited processing power compared to a PC and as time goes on that power cannot be increased like you can by buying a new PC or upgrading.
I have troubles with running multiple instances of Kontakt on a top end iMac Pro, never mind on a low spec processor!!!!
Spec:
Intel Atom quad-core processor (ONLY QUAD?) and 4GB of RAM (WOW MY PHONE HAS THE SAME...). Built-in storage is 32GB (TINY), used to install the OS and factory sounds, meaning the aforementioned SD card and USB slots handle all user storage (ADDITIONAL SPEND REQUIRED!!!).
I'm sorry but you can buy a Macbook Pro OR iMac OR Windows Laptop/PC for the same price as this and it will do everything this does and more in a smaller form factor!
What were they thinking!
My thoughts are that they should have made a modular system where in the future you can upgrade things like battery, processor etc.
Anyways, Peace out and keep up the good content! :)
PS: I use the MkIII and it's great :)
Kind music people, if you are like me and watching your 11th Maschine + video, I urge you to utilize the 1.25 or 1.5 speed setting. Actually, most of youtube is better this way. It's youtube's built in warp setting. Have a nice day.
I’d be offended if I didn’t edit this in 2x
Lifesaver 😂 I’m on my 13th by the way 😢
Loopop strikes again! Thanks again for yet another perfect video.
Maschine+ vs MPC Live 2
Any issues with latency when using Maschine+ to trigger and automate cc’s for external gear like drum machines? Does CPU stress cause the latency to increase or is there latency compensation / buffer settings to trade latency for CPU capacity?
stfu the guy did a 54min video
@@drwalka10 brah
@@drwalka10 it's just a question dickwad
Loopop, do you think you could go over in detail using Clips with the upcoming Maschine 2.12? We're all dying to know! Thanks!
I can't guarantee it soon, they're going to update it further soon and if I cover it I want to whole thing...
Top video as usual been looking forwards to this and didn’t disappoint!! Thanks
Awesome and very extensive review/comparison, thanks a bunch!
only thing I'm missing is sampling quality comparison! maybe you could make a small vid about that. MPC's tend to sound nicer with hot signals, so it'd be interesting to see how machine+ stacks up
@46:00 if you hold the q link button down for 2 seconds it displays what each bank does, and which bank you are currently on
Finally! Been waiting for this.
Thank You for Answering our questions!!! Awesome review!!! Thanks
Thanks for your videos. These are the best for me to understand good. Good job Sir! 🧐 Machine Plus I have never realized ...
I got the MK3 because I produce in the Box with Ableton Live and I use anyway the MAC. The MK3 needs only a USB Cable and not necessary to use a power supply like a Maschine + and the most benefit of the MK3 is, when using Massive or any Plugin, you can edit easily on the computer screen and you have access of all parameters. If you use Maschine + you don't have access to all Parameters and is hard to change any setting on the Synth!
Totally agree with the Mk+ GUI's ... surely we should have envelopes on the screens instead of mini plugin gui's???? What about an assignable lfo in effects section and waveform gui's? Like a midi clip import folder on the SD Card.. Keep up the great work @ loopop.... Much appreciated dude ❤️
Really great Video, specially with Maschine + now around £850 in price!
Great vid as always, thanks! Pricing is still a huge deal I think, is M+ really worth double? Hmmmm Not so sure. $999 maybe..... but $1400 is a steep jump that requires a lot of justification, and I'm not sure NI has provided that.
Mk3 bundled with komplete 13 sounds like a much better deal if I had that budget available for ni products only but as many of us now often we just want to have the latest hyped toys instead of what really makes sense for us. But I agree. If I didn't have a mpc from the current line allrdy I think I'd grab the live mk2 over the m+. Still I think the Maschine looks great so far but the price seems a bit off
I just might have to pick one of these up 💯
On the MPC if you hold down the Q-LINK page button it shows all of the current assignments on the screen for all 4 banks.
Indeed, it's still quite slow compared to just seeing the parameters on screen
This is so great and useful review, unbelievable, thanks a lot!
Just got my Plus Friday Love it I’ve owned every Maschine made💪🏾🚀🚀🚀 I also Own the MPC Live II but the NI workflow is 🔥 and 80% of the features at the making of this video now work or you can do.
Tanks, simply the best music hardware channel.
You are 100% right on Q-links. I think the problem is that there are so many screens, pages and parameters where they could be useful, that designers have just put it on a user shoulders to arrange (program) them. And programming them is headache for me to tell the truth. BTW if anyone has useful tips on programming Q-links the better way, please let me know.
Really helpful video showing that the Maschine+ has not really been designed for DAWless, you still need a computer to use it, unliked the Roland MC-707 for example.
Biggest gripe for me between the two is the MK3 has a “mic in gain” and the + has an “input gain” knob. Which owners know with the MK3 to get a decent sample recording from the inputs you needed an extra Audio I/O to get a good level unless you were comfortable using the normalize feature every time you sample external sources which I found very limiting for me vs. the MPC lineup which all units have a gain stage knob for sampling. That and the limited 4 GB of Ram in the + vs. a laptop with up to 16GB attached to the MK3.
I don't know, but MPC One is not the directly challenger to M+.
I think that MPC live 2 would be an opponent whether we consider the price.
Nice vídeo.
All in all Machine + is still developing and hopefully will be even better, especially taking into consideration it's price. I was really surprised that CPU is overloaded sometimes - hope those limitations are fixable and just a matter of time. Thanks for the video!
I think CPU overload will never be fixed because you can always load more stuff. They only can make restrictions, like in the MPCs were only 8 synth tracks are aloud. To keep it open and let every user find his own limits I think is much better.
@@wiederwissen6124 Right, let it be limitless. Actually I meant better hardware/software integration. But who knows how far they can make it better...
@@ildarkinildarkin you're probably correct, I can see how as they polish SW and FW the box will get more lean and swift
simply the best reviews you can get
Even tho I'm happy with my mpc live classic its nice to see how the mashine+ works!! Thanks i love your vidz there always crazy informative.
Thanks! Bottom line is both are a ton of fun :)
So many thoughts I have on this, but possible the most slept on feature is that this is basically competing with Behringer and Arturia for massive (pun intended) synth power. It's basically a stand alone Massive synth with 56+ channels of MIDI (if you want to think about it replacing 56 actual synths). And also a stand alone Monarch, which quite directly competes with even Moog, especially since you have shown here that you can load at least 8 Monarchs and keep that same CPU suck. My computer with almost exact speed as in this video cannot do that without CPU shooting to 400% and going into heat stress.
And yes, the drum synths are pretty sick, people and this also competes with all those hardware drum machines that Roland and Behringer are coming with that give you one single set of drums. REPEAT: PLEASE USE DRUM SYNTHS IN YOUR MASCHINE AND ADD SOME PLUG INS, TRUST ME. This thing (and all Maschines) has instant knob control over all your drum synth parameters and if you use the macros on a group level to assign your favs, it can start to get to Jeff Mills 909 knob twisting fun level. And again, you can have more than one group of these things, while an RD-8 is just an RD-8, without even going into the level of sound shaping you can do with effects in Maschine vs any modern 808/909 clone. And trust me, I am not hating on those other drum machines and I want all of them, LOL! But when you consider the power of one drum synth group, another straight sample group (maybe resampled to save CPU, gasp, like every great drum machine of all time), and then like 4 Massive patches and 4 Monarchs... that kinda seems like enough and if you can't make musical vibes with that, you aren't good at music at all.
And guys and gals; this should be stated in every video: In my humble and somewhat expert opinion, they should not even be allowing these demos yet, since basically everyone is still in BETA mode. My guess is performance will increase by maybe 5% by release and in the coming year(s) with future updates it could be even better, which doesn't sound like a lot, but when you're already running 60 Massive patches you might notice, LOL. Have a nice day finger bangers, and don't forget to spend half your time on synths or you are really missing the boat.
God dammit, NI just needs to ship me mine already so I can do my own review, UGH! LOLOLOL! Kindest regards, Loopop! You've got the best demos in the game, I've watched many during these last months and greatly appreciate and learn from your fine work. NI was smart to send you one first:) A few of these other guys, WTF?! LOLOL. Have a nice day, finger bangers!
Thanks very much for the thoughtful comment and kind words. By the way, while I never accept any direction from companies on what should or shouldn't be in my videos, because I did get early access to a beta, before I made the stress test I asked NI if from a performance perspective what we have now is what can be expected from the first version of + and the answer was yes (otherwise I agree there would be no point in the whole thing). Indeed of course they may improve performance in the future...
Auto sampling on MPC one is AMAZING!!! Single best feature to super quickly build a great sound library of your own.
if maschine plus had touch screens ..i would see the $1400 value but until then i'll stick with mk3
Great and informative! What is the name of the track in 07:43? Great Downtempo groove.
If we're talking about cpu usuage, what allot of people even those on pc and fl studio etc do is render out the melodies into waves to create less cpu stress and to allow for additional melody modification...
Also: Try to locate someone who has actually adopted one of these boxes as an ongoing setup, and ask them what they like and don't like - and especially: Ask them how _solid_ the firmware is - like, are there any frustrating issues that never get fixed.
Maybe this is what you are looking for. I’ve been looking as well. - ruclips.net/video/UuGuQHuvQiM/видео.html
Loved this massive comparison... I'll stick with my MPC but excited for more updates and future standalone features between AKAI and Maschine!!
You can search by projects, sounds, sequences etc on mpc too. It's on the tabs above the directories on the touch screen.
I know, those aren’t based on genre categories and subcategories - just object types.unless I missed something.
loopop ohh I see what you’re saying now. Yea, I think the only way to do that is create your own custom expansions with the mpc expansion builder software. Anyway, great info as always. Very much appreciated.
SSDs aren't very big (physically), much greater capacity, and are much faster than SD cards, why not just include support for them?
Amazing video. Thanks a lot!
So basically:
If you have outboard gear to sequence you are better off with the MPC One.
If you are working in the box then Maschine Plus has better on board sounds.
If you are working in the box and you don't mind connecting to a computer than Maschine mark 3 is the best option.
Newbie just starting off and only has a computer? Maschine mk3
Musician who wants to go completely DAWless with their outboard gear? MPC One
Maschine user who has always wanted the standalone option? Maschine Plus.
Is that correct?
That is correct!
Yes
Why the MPC is better with outboard gear? Maschine+ and MK3 as well seems to very capable of controlling them.
I don't think it's that simple with regards to sequencing outboard gear-it seems like the main difference there is that the MPC has CV/Gate outs, but you only need that if you have modular gear and no other way to convert MIDI to CV. If you want to multisample outboard gear to create software instruments, the MPC probably wins due to the autosample feature.
@@gffg387 MPC has multi-MIDI (I/O connectivity for up to 32 midi devices thru USB hubs). Maschine + / Mk3 don't.
so for me personally the only thing that makes me jelly as a akai mpc live user was the ability to use the external audio interface for more audio ins and outs. That was pretty nifty! I own all the NI instruments already and they are cool. But I went standalone to integrate external analog synths.
I've been trolling the forums where people try hacks on the Akai machines, and apparently in older versions of the firmware there was *accidental* support for external audio interfaces that was then "patched out" in later versions. Because the Akai machines just run Akai software on a Linux OS, it did this automatically with class compliant USB interfaces.
If Maschine+ supports this, it may force Akai's hand to support class compliant external audio in the future. If they are forced to do that to compete, then the mpc line and the Force will become insanely powerful. I've come to love having automated effects on the inputs, then running out of the alternate outputs. Having 4 more of each would be so incredible!
IMO they also just need a handful of better plugins for most users to choose Akai, but I already compliment the Force with keygroup programs of analog synths and a couple pieces of hardware to expand the capabilities, so it doesn't matter that much to me.
@@inthefade yea, well said and I agree completely. Might open a feature request just to get it on Akai supports radar (if not) and I have been eyeing up the Force for a few months now. That update the beta community has now is going to make the Force super awesome and resisting every day picking up someone's force they are selling like new lol
Yes, the plugins are kind of lacking honestly on akai side. I tried the ableton sync and just used some of ableton plug ins for testing and found a lot of them sounded super clean. Like you said not really a big deal when you could build an fx chain off if mpc/mixer/audio interface or use external gear and effects.
@@inthefade Oh 1 thing Akai really needs to fit in on the Force though is the ability to launch Midi clips. It would really be the optimal workflow instead of what is being done in the Beta.
Where can I buy the „let’s clear this mess“-effect (33:50)? I need it for my home (desperately)!
Working on the Kickstarter but the plans keep disappearing every time I use it
Again thanks for a great video - very informative
I’ve been debating between a bunch of different groove boxes… I think I’m headed toward the mpc one. Still watching videos and still debating, but thanks for this video… on to the mpc one videos 😂
ha! same here. mpc one seems like great value, and pretty much a daw in a box
@@GregDixson yeah definitely looks like I’m getting one…
Also gonna pick up a few cheaper synths/ groove boxes too like the model samples and the sonicware stuff is looking dope too
I Love that mpc one. I just have a soft spot for Akai 😁 I can't figure out why one would get maschine+🤔 All those things you still have to go to the computer for, and when you turn off the mkiii controller..... You still have a computer 😄
All what things id have to go to the computer for exactly?
All I need is ableton push standalone and it’s a wrap for everything..............until the mkii comes out. Lol.
I think stand alone is a nice option and sets it apart from other devices. It's an absolute game changer.
I'm excited to see how they develop and improve upon stand alone devices.
A maschine , a headset , and im good to go to the park or beach.
A beautiful setting can inspire beautiful music.
if i could load my own reaktor ENS (which are very large and involved) in these boxes...I would buy two right now.
Can projects be rendered to wav files or file from the Maschine+
Great review! Here's a rant. I really wanted to love these standalone units but I just can't. Coming from an electronics background there really is no reason for the Maschine+ and the AKAI MPC range packing as little punch as they do. Where's the battery on this one, NI ?
Speaking of batteries, on a real world scenario you get about 3 hours of use before you're scrambling for a charger on an MPC touch. Their OS has so much potential but as it stands it's rough around the edges to say the least. Where's pinch to zoom? I can buy a 300 quid iPad that comes standard with GarageBand that fares way better in any touchscreen use scenario. And I hate some of GarageBand's work flows... Also, the battery lasts way longer and, you know, it's a full blown computer rather than a glorified standalone app.
You're paying a premium for having a dedicated piece of hardware that fares worse in any real life use scenario than its computer controller counterparts.
I'll wait till competition heats up and these companies bring their hardware to the 21st century. Until then, I'll stick to my mikro mk3 and old school hardware synths and samplers.
You gotta be kidding if you think garage band on a iPad can hold up to a MpC. The midi capabilities alone with blow an iPad out of the water. As in controlling other pieces of hardware. I use my MpC to control sounds in my iPad. Not the other way around.
Also, the sampling capabilities on a iPad can’t compare to a MpC. . I can keep going down a long list of technicals but it all boils down to the type of sound you like and what you are trying to achieve sonically.
Some people also want to get away from sitting in front of a computer/iPad screen all day as they may do it for other areas in the lives. There is a benefit to having less tempting distractions when creating... that is also to be considered.
I think you’re in a DAW mindset. Stand alone is another level of creating. .. but it’s not for everyone.
Agree completely. I bought an MPC Live so I could spend some time away from the computer but after losing patience with their poor UI choices I'm going right back to Ableton. Makes me wish AKAI would open source the OS so the community could fix their product.
Why do you need a battery so bad? How often are you away from electricity?
Heathcliff Some producers like to create certain tasks away from the computer. Like on a sofa, in bed, in a park or backyard. Some perform live at a show. The battery is very handy for those that like to create in different environments that can affect their sound and creativity.
If you started on software, believe me when I tell you, no piece of hardware will ever compete. You might wait for ever tbh. The reason people buy these machines is for the fact they have limitations and for the tactile control. That's it. I have an MPC One and while I love it, I realize it will never compete with Logic plus a bunch of plugins. Just understand the purpose of these. Don't expect the end all be all because it may never come. We already have it in our computer..