I just bought a revolver identical to this one. It is marked as a 1883 St Etienne and has no maker marks, It is also chambered in 11mm French Ordnance.
The engineering on that revolver seems excellent. I find that often times, firearms are like aircraft, in that if they look well-made, they probably function well, too.
I thought these clips would just be filler to fill gaps in the schedule but they are turning out to be really interesting and informative. More Abadie action please
I have something very similar. It has Acier Fundu scribed on the side. It looks very much like the two revolvers you've shown. My research has led me to the name "Fangus" and It's from Belgium. That's all I know about it. It's not exactly the same as it will not index like your gun does. As far as I can determine it is an 11mm as well. My dad gave it to me. He had a uncle who brought it back from Europe after WW2.
I don't know why my initial post disappeared here but let's try again: this is a 1878 prototype by Leon Soleil of Liege. You can find it mentioned in Gazette des Armes no 387. It is in 11mm french ordnance
I was fascinated by this type of revolver since I saw it here, both because it was used by the Portuguese and because of the unique mechanism. This just makes it more interesting! Thanks for the video!
I really like your clips and I wish you would make more videos in the 10 to 30 minute range. As much as I love your videos, I can't make the time to watch something that is over an hour long.
It would appear the cylinder either has a shoulder to hold the case for headspace, or this 11mm cartridge is semi-rimmed. Not unlike the 7.65 Browning/.32 ACP
@@blueeyeswhitedragon9839 True, but he did say this was a civilian model Abadie and the cylinder chambers are maybe to close together for a rimmed round like the Martial French ordnance to fit.
@@ditzydoo4378 :- As with the S&W Model 25 -2...it takes 45 auto rim or regular 45 ACP ( with half moon or double round clips. The auto rim cartridge is rimmed and rests in a cylinder much like this revolver.
I have that revolver in my collection. Been wondering what it was and where it came from. Where can i get more info about this piece? Any help would be appreciated
That pin system is really nice and just right for a civilian pistol, but yeah, soldiers would bent the crap out of the pin by not inserting it far enough to take the torque and then wonder why it's not working any more.
Seems like it would have been a real improvement to have a fixed alignment block/hole on the frame , down near the bottom of the grip that the grip could then fit over. That'd let you easily set the screw at the correct angle while that grip plate still off, then pull the rod out set the grip on and pop the rod in to hold everything together without any fuss or muss.
Revolver clips are kind of pointless on a gateloader, one would have to fully remove the cylinder to use them. You may still be correct though, as people make all kinds of weird design decisions that make no sense in review
I’m not sure how that would work on a gate loader unless you took the cylinder out each time. Plus, moon clips didn’t appear until 35 years after it was made.
@@TenaciousTrilobite my guess it was either Bubba’d by someone or the original round was deemed obsolete and the revolver rechambered. Its possible this change could have been done years later after manufacturing.
If you’re not careful, you will summon Ian and he will create a video on the multiple 11 mm black power revolver cartridges and their incompatibilities.
@@francesconicoletti2547 you say that like it's a bad thing.. in terms of anesthetics and operation, I find this to be an extremely beautiful revolver...
I get why people like the loading system, but it makes me uncomfortable. Putting your finger in the trigger guard when you aren't shooting just goes against all the gun safety I had drilled into my head as a child.
I must agree that it is a less-than-ideal system from a safety perspective because it intentionally breaks the ultimately safety practice of always treating a gun as loaded until you have confirmed that it is not by removing all possible ammunition from the system. By having your finger on the trigger to add or remove ammunition in the system basically means you are depending on the gun's systems to work correctly for your safety instead of your own carefulness. Still, I would take one of these over most other revolvers available to me in 1885.
Why on earth would they design the trigger to rotate the cylinder for re-loading? That sure seems to be extremely dangerous. Other than that, it's a very interesting piece.
The Abadie system is safe. When the loading gate is open the hammer is disabled so the firing pin cannot reach a primer. I can see why it gives people the willies, though. It violates the "don't put your finger inside the trigger guard until you're ready to shoot" rule. But such safety rules didn't exist in the 19th century.
Did any inventor ever try to link the ejector to the rest of the mechanism? It always ended up being a person physically push/pulling the ejector rod to remove the cases. If pulling the trigger rotates the cylinder i wonder why could it not have done that as well. o_O
Just an issue of leverage I think. A trigger pull is short, the ejector would have to move a significantly greater distance. So you end up with awkward ratio that would make the ejecting trigger pull either much longer or very heavy.
All my dumb jokes aside, I'm really like how Clips is going. Genuinely new and interesting information that's not long enough to be a full episode.
Agree, they are neat factoids that smoothen the wait for the full episodes.
I just bought a revolver identical to this one. It is marked as a 1883 St Etienne and has no maker marks,
It is also chambered in 11mm French Ordnance.
No maker marks automatically means Belgian manufacture because there were thousands of small workshops.
That is an aesthetically pleasing revolver.
A solid presentation of an elegant revolver. Thank you, O-man!
I so wanted that cross pin to be a screwdriver or cleaning jag or something, but still very cool nonetheless!
The engineering on that revolver seems excellent. I find that often times, firearms are like aircraft, in that if they look well-made, they probably function well, too.
I thought these clips would just be filler to fill gaps in the schedule but they are turning out to be really interesting and informative. More Abadie action please
this is a super cool feature series, and man that is a sweet revolver.
"Giant Abadie:" sounds like some sort of exotic fauna named for the explorer it ate, doesn't it?
It really does. That or a tree.
That’s one of the best looking revolvers I’ve ever seen !
The 1873 French revolver also indexes for loading/unloading with a pull of the trigger.
The grip attachement system is very interesting indeed.
I fell in love with that revolver as soon as l saw that bore size! (.45 cal.)
I have something very similar. It has Acier Fundu scribed on the side. It looks very much like the two revolvers you've shown. My research has led me to the name "Fangus" and It's from Belgium. That's all I know about it. It's not exactly the same as it will not index like your gun does. As far as I can determine it is an 11mm as well. My dad gave it to me. He had a uncle who brought it back from Europe after WW2.
I love how it looks like a cross between a webbly, a S.A.A and a S AND W
Intro cello riff always makes me think, for a split second, I’m hearing a cover of “Come As You Are.”
That's a very interesting piece of history, Othias! Thank you!
“No exposed screw heads anywhere on the gun” George Kelgren, take note 😉
Tanks
I don't know why my initial post disappeared here but let's try again: this is a 1878 prototype by Leon Soleil of Liege. You can find it mentioned in Gazette des Armes no 387. It is in 11mm french ordnance
I was fascinated by this type of revolver since I saw it here, both because it was used by the Portuguese and because of the unique mechanism. This just makes it more interesting! Thanks for the video!
That is a beautiful piece of work
Rim size calculation should be straightforward to work out using the chamber to outside distance and the gap between chambers.
Super fascinating revolver. 👍
Finally, Ferro Grande.
I really like your clips and I wish you would make more videos in the 10 to 30 minute range. As much as I love your videos, I can't make the time to watch something that is over an hour long.
thank you
You should suggest that college hill arsenal send that pistol to Mark to get rid of the "patina" in the gun😉
Thank you love this show
I think it’s 11x19r for the 1874m French navy revolver a more powerful 11mm French that had a bigger rim. I want that gun!
that's pretty impressive
Beautiful weapon.
Love these! Gasser is the GOAT
Tetris as a revolver.
Clever.
It would appear the cylinder either has a shoulder to hold the case for headspace, or this 11mm cartridge is semi-rimmed. Not unlike the 7.65 Browning/.32 ACP
DitzyDoo :- The French ordinance 11mm round is a rimmed, straight case in approximately .45 caliber. And this revolver is a doozy!
@@blueeyeswhitedragon9839 True, but he did say this was a civilian model Abadie and the cylinder chambers are maybe to close together for a rimmed round like the Martial French ordnance to fit.
@@ditzydoo4378 :- As with the S&W Model 25 -2...it takes 45 auto rim or regular 45 ACP ( with half moon or double round clips. The auto rim cartridge is rimmed and rests in a cylinder much like this revolver.
@@blueeyeswhitedragon9839 sounds intriguing...
Hmmm 11mm - nice cannon!
That is definitely an interesting solution to keeping the grips tight
Some of Mark Novak's PATINA on the inside !
I have that revolver in my collection. Been wondering what it was and where it came from. Where can i get more info about this piece? Any help would be appreciated
If Othais ever writes a book about how old revolvers work, I'd be a buyer at the $120 price point. Just saying.
Still can't beat the Bodeo's fit-in spring vise
Thanks O
That pin system is really nice and just right for a civilian pistol, but yeah, soldiers would bent the crap out of the pin by not inserting it far enough to take the torque and then wonder why it's not working any more.
Portugal: "Need a revo for a specific task? There's an Abd for that."
Is there an 1876 model?
I saw one for sale. It took 9mm ammo.
Seems like it would have been a real improvement to have a fixed alignment block/hole on the frame , down near the bottom of the grip that the grip could then fit over. That'd let you easily set the screw at the correct angle while that grip plate still off, then pull the rod out set the grip on and pop the rod in to hold everything together without any fuss or muss.
🙂☕👍Nice gun, great job on your Video
Kinda wonder if somebody tried to run this thing with 45 caliber (11.4ish mm) of some kind and clip adapters, kind of like people did with Webleys.
Revolver clips are kind of pointless on a gateloader, one would have to fully remove the cylinder to use them. You may still be correct though, as people make all kinds of weird design decisions that make no sense in review
@@jamestarbet9608 when proper ammo became unavailable people found ways to work around it I guess.
Could the all around rebating be done for moon clips? Is it possible this was made for a rimless round to take clips or bubba’d to do so?
I’m not sure how that would work on a gate loader unless you took the cylinder out each time. Plus, moon clips didn’t appear until 35 years after it was made.
@@TenaciousTrilobite my guess it was either Bubba’d by someone or the original round was deemed obsolete and the revolver rechambered. Its possible this change could have been done years later after manufacturing.
When are we going to get an update on you uber carbine build?
The bluing on that is stunning, how does the 11mm shoot??
If you’re not careful, you will summon Ian and he will create a video on the multiple 11 mm black power revolver cartridges and their incompatibilities.
@@francesconicoletti2547 you say that like it's a bad thing.. in terms of anesthetics and operation, I find this to be an extremely beautiful revolver...
Usa very good civilian weapon India very excited
"no exposed screw heads" and "solutions to keep screws from getting loose" in the 19th century...
😯 Looks at a S&W 686 🤔
Keep it up
I get why people like the loading system, but it makes me uncomfortable. Putting your finger in the trigger guard when you aren't shooting just goes against all the gun safety I had drilled into my head as a child.
I must agree that it is a less-than-ideal system from a safety perspective because it intentionally breaks the ultimately safety practice of always treating a gun as loaded until you have confirmed that it is not by removing all possible ammunition from the system. By having your finger on the trigger to add or remove ammunition in the system basically means you are depending on the gun's systems to work correctly for your safety instead of your own carefulness. Still, I would take one of these over most other revolvers available to me in 1885.
Why on earth would they design the trigger to rotate the cylinder for re-loading? That sure seems to be extremely dangerous.
Other than that, it's a very interesting piece.
The Abadie system is safe. When the loading gate is open the hammer is disabled so the firing pin cannot reach a primer.
I can see why it gives people the willies, though. It violates the "don't put your finger inside the trigger guard until you're ready to shoot" rule. But such safety rules didn't exist in the 19th century.
Cool
Does this same pin help you keep a grip on reality? 😀
Not if you are in the trenches...
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God bless all here.
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Make it double action only, and I'd say it would make a good postman's revolver.
Yes, it's heavy enough to club aggressive dogs. :)
please Gun Santa, send this my way :-)
Brendan Freiser in Mummy used this revolvers
Damn it now I have to rewatch the mummy you confirm🤣
He used French 1873 revolvers, look up chamelot delveigne.
Why is no one making reproduction Abadie revolvers in .357?!
it's a shame the world is 'semi-automatic' now and there is very little space for revolvers anymore.
pew pew take that you tube algorithms!
Did any inventor ever try to link the ejector to the rest of the mechanism?
It always ended up being a person physically push/pulling the ejector rod to remove the cases.
If pulling the trigger rotates the cylinder i wonder why could it not have done that as well. o_O
Just an issue of leverage I think. A trigger pull is short, the ejector would have to move a significantly greater distance. So you end up with awkward ratio that would make the ejecting trigger pull either much longer or very heavy.
The Swiss trialed an auto ejecting revolver in the 1880's. Ian of Forgoten weapons, made a vídeo about it.
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