When Cuban MiG-23s fought Mirage F1s. In Africa?!?

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    Our video talks about a forgotten air war in the heart of Africa. When South African military fought the Cuban military, intervening across the Atlantic to help our their allies in Angola. MiGs and Mirages fighting against each other, flying over a much larger, decades long conflict.
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  • @Binkov
    @Binkov  2 года назад +83

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    • @UTKETCHUP
      @UTKETCHUP 2 года назад

      Nice video

    • @reserva120
      @reserva120 2 года назад +2

      One of your best ever, great Cadence, nice details, good visuals.. well done sir.. Cheers Allan

    • @christopherhoffer6643
      @christopherhoffer6643 2 года назад +4

      Video Idea:
      How costly would a US invasion of Cuba be?

    • @reserva120
      @reserva120 2 года назад +4

      @@christopherhoffer6643 not very, its not a real army anymore.. Like their Cigars the Communist's have driven it into the ground.. Remember the Castro brothers are Multi Billionaire Marxist.. western leftist hate groups are so very stupid..

    • @derlasercrafterwally4342
      @derlasercrafterwally4342 2 года назад +1

      @@christopherhoffer6643 this would be interesting

  • @MayDayMei98
    @MayDayMei98 2 года назад +541

    Cuban involvement in Angola is weird as hell and logistically impressive considering the distance and military capabilities of Cuba.

    • @edoedo8686
      @edoedo8686 2 года назад +19

      Yes. It is a fascinating history.

    • @amacca2085
      @amacca2085 2 года назад +70

      Russia would of covered the costs 😂

    • @RasPutintheGreat
      @RasPutintheGreat 2 года назад +62

      @@amacca2085 Soviets

    • @cosmicwakes6443
      @cosmicwakes6443 2 года назад +15

      Mei Day
      Communists are the smartest people in the world.

    • @Bigman-fh1fz
      @Bigman-fh1fz 2 года назад +49

      @@cosmicwakes6443 funny enough none of the smartest people in the world at that time or ever were communists. Happens when you kill off the educated out of fear of uprisings towards your delusions

  • @ikanbilek4651
    @ikanbilek4651 2 года назад +224

    Please do more about historical dogfights, this one is very interesting

    • @krabbenzaarvanlolbaum5252
      @krabbenzaarvanlolbaum5252 2 года назад +2

      +

    • @pixsilvb9638
      @pixsilvb9638 2 года назад +2

      War Football will blow your mind away. (Clue: last air dogfight between propeller driven combat aircraft in history) 😉

    • @merajuddin7716
      @merajuddin7716 2 года назад +5

      1965 Pakistan vs indian air force dogfight

    • @pixsilvb9638
      @pixsilvb9638 2 года назад +1

      * Iranian F-14 Tomcat combat jet aircraft and their aerial victories during the 1980 - 1988 Iran/Irak War producing multiple IRIAF air combat Aces which still rank today as some of the most prolific jet killing Aces in history.
      * Propeller driven A-1 Skyraiders ground attack aircraft from the US Navy (and built during the Korean War era) downing Mig-17s combat jet aircraft from the Vietnamese Air Force during the Vietnam War.
      * A Nazi designed combat aircraft, the Messerschmitt Me-109G (a Checzoslovakian made version, Avia S-99), the most produced during WWII, the most famous aircraft from Nazi Germany, flying for the Israel Air Force during the Israeli War of Independence in 1947 and most extraordinarly, US pilots who used to kill them during WWII now flying and achieving aerial victories with these IAF combat aircraft during the first Israeli-Arab War by downing British made Spitfires and American made P-51s from the Egiptian Airforce. Insaneeee!!

    • @NobleKorhedron
      @NobleKorhedron 2 года назад +1

      Operation Bolo is especially so, @Yeah Right. The U.S used the greed of the NVAF, and their eagerness to shoot down USAF bombers, to savage the NVAF MIG-21 fleet.
      The F-4 Phantom II's flown by the USAF were equipped with a jamming pod normally carried by the F-105; so, the F-4's were thought to be bombers - BIG mistake...

  • @armablign
    @armablign 2 года назад +35

    Some interesting info:
    During operation Moduler, the SADF managed to capture a soviet SA-8 Anti-Air missile system.
    This was the first time, such highly sophisticated technology landed in western hands.
    (Surface level) The South Africans shared the information and technical specifications with the US.
    (Sub surface level) The South Africans traded/gave, one of these systems to the US, so they could evaluate it them selves.
    Resulting in the west, being able to reverse engineer and understand, at the time, one of, if not best, soviet anti-air technology at the time.

    • @demun6065
      @demun6065 2 года назад +5

      Sth Africa also rapidly expanding their own domestic AA systems. Had the war gone on a year or two longer, when the Cheetah fighters (mirage upgrade to new generation), and the AA guns + missle systems (mounted on the Rooikat), the tide of war would have been very interesting.

    • @freedomloverusa3030
      @freedomloverusa3030 2 года назад +1

      And that was when they were on pursuit of the Communists, after defeating them on the ground.

    • @armablign
      @armablign 2 года назад +1

      ​@@freedomloverusa3030 Jip, exactly.

    • @armablign
      @armablign 2 года назад +5

      @@demun6065 It would have definitely been interesting to see, how different the war would have continued, if said technology was to see (or see more) operational usage.
      Definitely, the domestic AA system, and surface to air missiles, would have been extremely interesting to see how they fared against the soviet technology. Someone I know (won't detail it), worked on the missile systems for their service (closing days of the war), and said how the new developing technology was several leagues ahead of the current systems used by the soviets (weather said project ever completed, I don't know)
      But yea, I would have loved to see the ZA-35 see action and make it past the prototype phase.

    • @ianvermaak6773
      @ianvermaak6773 2 года назад

      The very famous G5 howitzer was also reversed engineered and upgraded from a captured artillery piece, there was accounts of this artillery suppressing airbases so helicopters and aircraft could not take off.

  • @NozomuYume
    @NozomuYume 2 года назад +20

    One of the great things about aerial combat is the respect between pilots, and how their love of aviation brings them together when hostilities cease. It's a level of professionalism that still persists today and gives some hope for humanity.

  • @danielbenitezperez6264
    @danielbenitezperez6264 2 года назад +24

    I knew it. I have the chance to speak with a veteran, a Cuban pilot who fought in Angola and that man was a badass.

    • @cameraman1234567890a
      @cameraman1234567890a 2 года назад +2

      De verdad? Donde hablasteis con el?

    • @chaosXP3RT
      @chaosXP3RT 2 года назад +1

      How many people did he kill?

    • @danielbenitezperez6264
      @danielbenitezperez6264 2 года назад +4

      @@cameraman1234567890a él vive en un edificio de veteranos por Plaza de la Revolución. Se llama Alejandro pero es amigo de un amigo. Mi amigo se llama Osvaldo, que era de tropas especiales y que operaba tras las líneas enemigas.

    • @danielbenitezperez6264
      @danielbenitezperez6264 2 года назад +8

      @@chaosXP3RT at least two confirmed downings, a few centurion tanks and a lot of Sabimbi's people with air to surface payload.

    • @matthew1882
      @matthew1882 2 года назад +1

      @@danielbenitezperez6264 2 confirmed downings!? Damn that must've been 87/88.

  • @maxkronader5225
    @maxkronader5225 2 года назад +31

    It's entirely possible that the MiG-23s escorting the helicopters did not pursue the Mirage F1s for the simple reason that their mission was to escort and protect the helicopters, which they did by driving off the Mirages. Following to continue the engagement would have left the helicopters open to attack by additional South African fighters, which the Cubans had no way of knowing were present or not. For all the MiG pilots knew, the two Mirages were sent in to draw the escorting fighters away. It speaks well to their training and discipline that they maintained their escort of the helicopters rather getting caught up in the excitement of the dogfight.

    • @gideonvanzyl2989
      @gideonvanzyl2989 2 года назад

      Hahahaha Max, you must be one hell of a liberal/ communist to believe that. It's like the ANC museum in South Africa that shows how the mighty terrorist SWAPO and associates like Cuban and Russians was the heroes. My friend propaganda is a ugly thing if it is not the truth.

    • @rudinieuwenhuis4700
      @rudinieuwenhuis4700 Год назад

      WELL maybe they were just not up to their task and besides they did not want to fight a war that they had nothing to do with. SA was built by Europeans and do yourself a favour come and see what it is now

  • @MaxwellAerialPhotography
    @MaxwellAerialPhotography 2 года назад +17

    That was a surprisingly wholesome ending.

  • @stevenspilly
    @stevenspilly 2 года назад +37

    Poor guy manages to land his plane, overshoots the runway, finally stops then gets paralysed by the ejector seat going off. Poor bloke

    • @MarxAlex
      @MarxAlex 2 года назад +2

      Does show the professionalism of the saaf despite equipment that could not compete with the latest Russian kit.

  • @rifroll1117
    @rifroll1117 2 года назад +29

    The conflict that showed the true potential of the MiG-23 instead of those disastrous misfires in the Middle East

    • @TheGranicd
      @TheGranicd 2 года назад +15

      First time they used decent version and opponent was on par.

    • @gabbyprincip1575
      @gabbyprincip1575 2 года назад +3

      soviet fighters should have a big exclamation point regarding their performance in combat, they did alright when not operated by arab pilots

    • @robstone4537
      @robstone4537 2 года назад +1

      @@gabbyprincip1575 If you read the Syrian Air Force accounts they shot down a bunch of Israeli F15, F16’s and F4’s without any losses, even though the desert is littered with Mig23 wreckage.

    • @robstone4537
      @robstone4537 2 года назад

      Yeah, Egyptian Mig23’s handed over to the US were tested and found to be superior to the F16 in thrust and climb, but slightly inferior in manueverabilty. With a competent pilot it should have been a fairly even match.

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 2 года назад

      It kinda just got screwed in the matchups but calling it bad is a bit like calling the F-16 bad because one got shot down by a Mig-21. It's more often than not everything around the plane that determines how well it does, pilot training, support crew, weapons equipment, ground based radar and so on.

  • @gggg-hq4td
    @gggg-hq4td 2 года назад +36

    French planes flown by south africans fight russian planes flown by cubans in angola.
    Mr. Worldwide

  • @charliepepper3039
    @charliepepper3039 Год назад +17

    We flattened the airstrip at Cuito Cuarnavale to stop the MIGs from landing there. The old red water reservoir is still there 36 years later.

    • @etd5791
      @etd5791 Год назад +1

      Im sure we targeted that reservoir but hit their ammo dump by accident as it was behind or to the right of it. Remember the final attack to get rid of artillery ammo. My gun went forward again as part of a two gun team. 2 or 3 days. Too long agi lol

  • @davidtoth8975
    @davidtoth8975 2 года назад +11

    I love the detail of the MiG-23 changing wing sweep as it turned in to fight.

  • @conflictmagazine
    @conflictmagazine 2 года назад +23

    The Cubans were there...and East Germany, Yugoslavia, Congo, North Korea, Romania, Tanzania, Mozambique, Brazil, Portugal, Morocco, China, Zambia...and let's not forget Executive Outcomes and all the other mercs who fought there.
    World War Angola

    • @Andrewza1
      @Andrewza1 2 года назад +2

      Technical EO went there for round two after all the countries left.

    • @Luiz-jf9bz
      @Luiz-jf9bz 2 года назад +3

      My uncle was almost killed in Angola, brazilian marine. He suffered a MPLA ambush while driving a jeep, his teammate died with several shot wounds.

    • @petersmythe6462
      @petersmythe6462 2 года назад

      A lot of wars are increasingly fought with participants from EVERYWHERE.

    • @MarxAlex
      @MarxAlex 2 года назад

      EO were hired by a British businessman to destroy unita as savimbi was threatening their interests. Apparently they made use of oil drums with explosives to create an air burst fire bomb and probably would have been involved in savimbis last stand when he was killed. At Cuito they were Recces and 32 battalion troops, EO didn't exist then.

    • @Andrewza1
      @Andrewza1 2 года назад

      @@MarxAlex best part was EO fought for the MPLA against UNITA

  • @Joker-yw9hl
    @Joker-yw9hl 2 года назад +14

    Interesting stuff. Thank you for involving African countries as I find conflicts between 'smaller' nations very interesting for whatever reason

  • @robstone4537
    @robstone4537 2 года назад +43

    I fought as a paratrooper in this war in the late 80’s. The Cuban Mig 23 pilots were extremely reluctant to engage the F1’s, every engagement was initiated by the Mirages, the Migs choosing to use their speed to disengage. It is notable that in the engagement with Arthur Piercy that the Migs were forced to engage by the Mirages head to head encounter. They reversed and were heading back to their airfield when the second merge occurred. The Mirages were deep over enemy territory, 300km from home, with a damaged aircraft. The Migs were less than 50km from their own airfield but still chose to disengage and not go for the kill.
    After that it was an air to air stalemate - Mirages were ordered to avoid the Migs and the Migs never attempted to engage, even though they could have easily attacked the SAAF bases in Namibia. But they did bomb the hell out of us at Cuito Canavale.
    I am aware of one F1 shot down by a SAM, but I know of at least two Mig23’s that were downed by MANPADS and several that were destroyed on the ground by long range artillery fire.

    • @useryggfdcc
      @useryggfdcc 2 года назад +2

      By G5 artillery, my brother was part of the G5 crew at that time.

    • @mrtachanka607
      @mrtachanka607 2 года назад

      My uncle also fought on Cuito Canavale when Cuba was drafting all soldiers at that time, he was mainly infantry but he doesn’t like speaking about it much, he lost many friends there, really bad war!

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 2 года назад

      I wonder if it was for diplomatic reasons, maybe they were afraid that if they started going directly after South African troops it'd give the US the justification it needed to intervene and potentially turn a war that had been a slow victory until now into a grinding stalemate. Or maybe they just didn't feel the need to do anything other than keep South Africans away. Or maybe the larger goal was to make sure that South Africa kept itself overextended in this war so that the apartheid government would eventually fall apart, that was what happened in the end I guess.

    • @useryggfdcc
      @useryggfdcc 2 года назад +2

      @@hedgehog3180 The old SA government gave power to the ANC willingly.
      They were NOT forced to do it, all thanks to the traitor De Klerk.
      Now South Africa is a complete shithole country.

    • @robstone4537
      @robstone4537 2 года назад +4

      @@hedgehog3180 The war was largely kept a secret from the general South African Public, only deploying very small numbers of troops into Angola - there were only about 3,000 SA Soldiers fighting at Cuito Cuanavale. Directly attacking SA Bases in Namibia would have raised awareness of the war, possibly allowing hesitant politicians to commit larger numbers of troops.
      There has also been talk among veteran groups that some Cuban Generals said at the peace talks they were very concerned about SA Nuclear weapons being deployed if Cuban forces openly threatened to cross into Namibia.

  • @Gozar111
    @Gozar111 Год назад +29

    I’m from South Africa. We had the whole communist bloc here. Russians and Cubans . Fun times.

    • @deliacolquhoun2845
      @deliacolquhoun2845 Год назад +2

      People judge on South Africa for its past but we were killing Russians long before it became trendy.

    • @mrkotouoeji4267
      @mrkotouoeji4267 Год назад

      Same in Thailand when we r still the head of SETO after American loses the Vietnam war and leave Communism is around us....
      (Fucking Commi Vietnam , N.korean ,Red Khmer , Commi Laos and Soviet with China )

    • @mrkotouoeji4267
      @mrkotouoeji4267 Год назад +5

      But we still winning the war and still alive LAMO what a great day....

    • @MrDav020
      @MrDav020 Год назад +11

      @@mrkotouoeji4267 But still starving. Can't eat freedom eh. Haha

    • @deliacolquhoun2845
      @deliacolquhoun2845 Год назад +4

      @@mrkotouoeji4267 it never really came.to a conclusion because of internal.politics in south Africa.
      Lol the forces that south Africa was facing never got any ground only after the south africans pulled out due to changing governments. Plus the rebels that got into government after the war ended up losing power to a bunch of south African mercenaries with out the help of.the soviets in the end.
      You think the combined efforts of the rebels, Russians and Cubans against a sanctioned south Africa would do a little better..but they lost tank after tanks and ended up in unmarked mass Graves in the middle of the bush. That's almost worse than what the afghans did to the Russians. They couldn't pull it off with all that help..

  • @gustavobolson8261
    @gustavobolson8261 2 года назад +10

    I wonder what went through the minds of those two pilots after getting in contact with one another. Great to see they not only had great respect for each other, but also were willing to work together to make something greater (such a shame the trip didn’t happen in the end).
    I really like this format of video, Binkov! It’s great to see the big picture mixed with the reality that war is, fortunate or unfortunately, fought by people.

  • @jelson95
    @jelson95 2 года назад +19

    My Dad served in the Angolan Military Counterintelligence Service while my uncle served on the field as machune gunner in serveral battles against UNITA and South Africa.
    My uncle then managed to escape the army by a friend (the family payed him out). The next day after he left the FOB, the FOB wascompletly destroyed by an South African artillary strike. only few survived the strike.

  • @juliosaiz4365
    @juliosaiz4365 Год назад +31

    Several members of my family were with the Cuban forces deployed in Angola, there is no "perhaps" about it, the USSR paid cash per every soldier sent, they also gave Cuba equipment for free as long as it was used to fight in Angola. It wasn't the first or the last instance of Cuban interventionism

    • @Gab-jo6jg
      @Gab-jo6jg Год назад

      Soviet and Cuban were in separated mission, the soviet helped but they don't pay for each Cuban soldier. Angola pay for the Cabinda defense, the rest was a regular war like many others in the cold war

  • @glmm2001
    @glmm2001 2 года назад +15

    Piercy’s seat fired when he was on land; probably already stopped. The South African F-1s had Martin-Baker Mk4 seats made under license in France which had no 0-0 capability, so as the seat fired at under 70 knots speed, it “worked” as advertised and saved his life but paralyzed him as those were 0-70 seats and thus would work only at speed of 70 knots with the plane on the ground. Later F-1s had Mk10s which are true 0-0 seats and some users upgraded their Mk4s to Mk6 which were 0-0 capable too

  • @davehero1
    @davehero1 2 года назад +11

    There's a very interesting interview on the Aircrew Interview channel with Cobus Torien, one of the SAAF pilots who flew Mirages in this conflict. Well worth watching.

  • @Deontjie
    @Deontjie 2 года назад +31

    The Angolan war was between factions in Angola. One group promised to be communist so they received massive amounts of aid from Russia. The other group promised to fight communism, so they got aid from South Africa. There were even Angolan citizens fighting against Russia and Cuban in the South African and Namibian armies. Like 101 Battalion and 32 Battalion.

    • @DS92_
      @DS92_ 2 года назад +1

      Wow, will look more into it, didn't know

    • @Deontjie
      @Deontjie 2 года назад +4

      @@DS92_ My battalion, 101, was 80% Owambo troops and non-commissioned officers. These Owambos fought on the namibian side because of the atrocities done to their family by the MPLA. We reguarly ran into their families while we patrolled and gathered information from the border up to 35 km north. Our Ondangwa main base was at 17°55'47.40" S 15°58'56.14" E. We used the shooting range of Koevoet, who was the territory police. Our traing base was Miershoop at 18°23'33.09" S 16°37'18.64" E

    • @DS92_
      @DS92_ 2 года назад

      @@Deontjie I thought the war had to do with neighborhing countries attacking South Africa because of Apartheid, today's South Africa's army has the potention to be an elite force....

    • @Deontjie
      @Deontjie 2 года назад +2

      @@DS92_ In 1973 the African people attacked the Portuguese because they were generating and hoarding all the wealth. Just like East Africa did to the Indians in the early 50's. Some fled to South Africa, some made it back to Portugal. Most of the extensive fleet of large fishing ships was deliberately beached by the Portuguese crew. Still visible on Google Earth today. With the Portuguese control gone, civil war soon followed. Tribal warfare. There was no way for any fighting force to cross into South Africa. Crossing the semi-dessert in Namibia or Botswana would have meant certain death. If not from starvation, then from South African bombers. And Botswana was never anti-South-Africa. So that was never the plan. South Africa's government was attacked from within RSA borders. The ANC even planted bombs against Africans to purswayd them to support their cause. Then they switch to necklacing. This is where the ANC invented the method of putting a car tire around a live person''s neck, dousing them in fire, and burning them. Something still used today. Tat is why African people in South Africa will not vote against the ANC, even if they are dissatisfied with the ANC corruption. They will rather abstain from voting.
      Anyway, the Angolan war started as a tribal war for power between the tribes of Luanda, and the eastern tribes of Savimbi. The USSR got involved by forcing the bankrupt Cuba into war. South Africa was asked by the USA to help Savimbi and we were supported with funds from the USA. Until helping RSA was not politically correct any more. The ANC and Angolans love to claim victory at every change they get. But the fact is that the war was played inside Angola, not in Namibia. (except for a few terrorist acts like planting land mines, mostly killing local Owambos.) Our Buffel vehicle carrying Owambo troops was struck by a triple cheese mine in Namibia, with no injuries to the 10 passengers or driver. Visiting the shot out Russian T34 and T55 tanks in Angola is quite popular for ex South African soldiers that took part in that shooting. Using the world's first wheeled IFV.

    • @mikebrase5161
      @mikebrase5161 2 года назад +5

      @@DS92_ today's SA army is a joke of epic proportions don't be lying.

  • @MarsRonin
    @MarsRonin 2 года назад +13

    Fantastic video as always and you try to remain factual rather than opinion based, which I enjoy. Nice to see a part of my heritage being shown on your channel, my father and all my uncles fought in the Bush War. A great book to read is Battle on the Lomba

    • @freedomloverusa3030
      @freedomloverusa3030 2 года назад +1

      Yes, Battle of the Lomba is one of my favorites, I will never forget Skeletons on the closet… , my other favorite is Koevoet.

  • @_rinala
    @_rinala Год назад +9

    Hi my uncle was a lieutenant in the Cuban armed forces, two deployments: first Ethiopia then Angola. He says that most of time in Angola (late 70s early 80s) was spent chasing portuguese women, fucking around in Luanda, fighting in random towns, smuggling a ton of stuff and securing british economic interests for some fucking reason. 20th century was wild

  • @lance_the_avocado9492
    @lance_the_avocado9492 2 года назад +8

    I really like how accurate you are with the aircraft models, your even accurate with the missiles used with the Matra Magic’s and R-60’s

  • @vizender
    @vizender 2 года назад +33

    Cubans flying Russians planes fighting South Africans flying French planes. Nice

    • @CataciousAmogusevic
      @CataciousAmogusevic 2 года назад +5

      In Angola

    • @jeandelacroix6726
      @jeandelacroix6726 2 года назад +1

      wait until you learn about the south african upgrade of a french plane using russian tech

    • @Errorcutive
      @Errorcutive 2 года назад

      @@jeandelacroix6726 which one ? Do tell, i'm actually interested

    • @jeandelacroix6726
      @jeandelacroix6726 2 года назад +1

      @@Errorcutive super Mirage with klimov engine

  • @sohrabroozbahani4700
    @sohrabroozbahani4700 2 года назад +14

    This is my most favourite cold war era unsung war... the one that almost got south africa to become a nuclear power. Crazy times...

    • @Dinitroflurbenzol
      @Dinitroflurbenzol 2 года назад +1

      leading edge in medicin too

    • @dougerrohmer
      @dougerrohmer 2 года назад +5

      South Africa WAS a nuclear power, and then voluntarily gave it up - the only country to do that.

    • @operator9858
      @operator9858 2 года назад

      @@dougerrohmer not true. gaddafi gave up his. they still went after him tho...

    • @dougerrohmer
      @dougerrohmer 2 года назад +6

      @@operator9858 Wikipedia says: " Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said Libya's nuclear program was "in the very initial stages of development" at the time.[2]" In other words, he didn't have one, and if he was even close the Israelis would have kicked his ass.

    • @Josh93B93
      @Josh93B93 2 года назад

      @@dougerrohmer Israelis? You do realize how far away Lybia is right?

  • @magnang
    @magnang 2 года назад +8

    Upvoted instantly. These are some of the coolest planes that ever planed.

  • @lucasgomez3283
    @lucasgomez3283 2 года назад +5

    Great video, loved the insight on the individual planes and equipment that were used in the battle gave thorough context

  • @ANWRocketMan
    @ANWRocketMan 2 года назад +11

    As a South African, thanks for covering a slice of our history.

  • @scottgregory4255
    @scottgregory4255 2 года назад +4

    Loving the great story about the obscure air battle! Keep it up my man!

  • @monomoy100
    @monomoy100 2 года назад +9

    "I MISS MY HOME and I am LOW on FUEL"
    XDXDXDDDDDD

  • @christianpethukov8155
    @christianpethukov8155 2 года назад +4

    A topic not often covered. Thanks! The comments are pretty fierce on all sides.

  • @nunocordeirodossantos5741
    @nunocordeirodossantos5741 2 года назад +11

    I’m Angolan and I say this is a pretty accurate Video. поздравления коронель Биньков

    • @Monkey-mc9pd
      @Monkey-mc9pd 2 года назад

      Agg bly stil jou ver dommed khafer

  • @Limosethe
    @Limosethe 2 года назад +2

    My uncle was drafted into Angola war at the age of 15 accidently. Unfortunately, I haven't hear too many stories due to him mainly speaking Spanish around me (Which I do not speak) Love your channel and keep constantly edging for more videos. Keep it up!

    • @johnsmith-ht3sy
      @johnsmith-ht3sy Год назад +2

      We want to hear your Uncles story, get him on YT " Legacy Conversations " before his history is lost.

  • @ZANDF
    @ZANDF 2 года назад +14

    Been reading a lot of late. It was UNITA that requested that South Africa get involved (Jonas Savimbi had vowed to drive from Angola the 20 000 plus Cubans out. He had flown to Pretoria to ask personally that South Africa intervene) . With US support (covertly) to have a foot hold against communism, SA reluctantly joined the battle. SA was very quickly stabbed in the back by the US, and left stranded in a fight it couldn't afford.
    The battle of Cuito Cuanavale is seen as a victory for both sides, because both sides had very different objectives. Cuban and FAPLA Forces believed that the Town was the objective and fought to not let it fall. South Africa and UNITA's objective was to break the offence ability, which they did (brutally) . But SA had no intention of attacking the town itself.
    After the battle of Cuito Cuanavale, it was obvious that if South Africa continued to fight, it would force the Russians and Cubans to send more troops. South Africa could not afford a war of attrition, or a war at all, since they never had more than 4000 troops in Angola ever. Hence why they sued for peace. Not to mention that the Mirage Fighters could not be replaced.
    (A Side note, the Atlas Cheetah was produced to be able to contend with the MiG-23's, but it would not be ready in time.)
    The long and short of it, SA won a Military War, but lost the Political War.

    • @freedomloverusa3030
      @freedomloverusa3030 2 года назад +2

      Indeed.

    • @michaelhayes4231
      @michaelhayes4231 2 года назад +3

      And now your fascist state is no more

    • @ZANDF
      @ZANDF 2 года назад +10

      @@michaelhayes4231 Fascist state? Need I remind you that South African's fought actual Fascists, during WWII. Including my grandfather. I advise you to come visit our country, to see just how diverse it is. Sadly it is painted very black and white in history, but its far more complicated than that.

    • @matthew1882
      @matthew1882 2 года назад +1

      @@michaelhayes4231 neither is the USSR or Fidel's Cuba. It's almost like... nations change over 30 years. Who woulda thunk?

    • @jacksonthesyndicalist2771
      @jacksonthesyndicalist2771 2 года назад +2

      @@ZANDF what the fuck are you talking about? South Africa was fascist but fought against the Germans because it was a colony. Every heard of the sharpeville massacre? SA only got equality today because people had to fight the apartheid government

  • @riomine1984
    @riomine1984 2 года назад +14

    "Death to the MPLA!!!" Black ops 2

    • @sankarchaya
      @sankarchaya 2 года назад +1

      Savimbi - "DEATH TO THE MPLA"
      Savimbi - also dead

  • @pepeborrego8006
    @pepeborrego8006 Год назад +14

    My father flown MiG-23s in the Angola War.

    • @danv1324
      @danv1324 Год назад +1

      that's pretty cool, he must have good stories!

  • @dimitrivlachos5089
    @dimitrivlachos5089 2 года назад

    Wow! Loved the new animations. They looked fantastic. Well made and good video ^^

  • @Glider34
    @Glider34 2 года назад +2

    Great video, and awesome background checking.

  • @Bud5150
    @Bud5150 Год назад +7

    Concerning the ground ejection of Piercy: At this time, the old ejection seat version of Mirage F1 didn't permit ejection on ground like moderns zero zero ejection seats allowed. From what I understand, the SA pilot ejected on ground and static situation, which mean no speed and no relative wind. That can explain the ejection sequence failed.

    • @dougerrohmer
      @dougerrohmer Год назад

      He did not eject, why should he - he was stopped and in one piece. But his seat malfunctioned and partially fired from the shock of the crash landing.

  • @gunmonkey1185
    @gunmonkey1185 Год назад +18

    Interesting Tidbits: South African knew that Cuba was involved until they confirmed it via satellite photos of rows of baseball fields in a part of the world that baseball was never introduced until Cubans came by a boatload.

  • @lukasvisagie9513
    @lukasvisagie9513 3 месяца назад +2

    Thank you for a very informative presentation, balanced in my view and also quite accurate.

  • @petero7937
    @petero7937 Год назад +22

    gun cameras show the truth. Rankin downed two migs

  • @ianvermaak6773
    @ianvermaak6773 2 года назад +14

    Hi Binkov can you please do an analysis on T55/T60 tanks vs Ratel armored vehicles?

    • @Deontjie
      @Deontjie 2 года назад +2

      T34 tanks still litre the landscape in Angola. So this was a bit of a (surprising) one sided battle.

    • @ianvermaak6773
      @ianvermaak6773 2 года назад +2

      I always thought it was T55 as their main armor brigades, with T72's coming in near the end of the war. On paper you would expect they have the clear advantage. I would really like to learn, how the Armour for both countries compared and how the enemy was countered.

  • @louisduplessis7110
    @louisduplessis7110 Год назад +13

    Good account of what went down. As an Artillery man we ruled the roost as is now shown in Ukraine. Russia learning from us

    • @etd5791
      @etd5791 Год назад

      High 5. G2s. 10 call sign pappie. Gun no8. PACKER

  • @haldorasgirson9463
    @haldorasgirson9463 2 года назад +1

    Great way to smoothly integrate the promotion into the vid. I didn't skip over it (was busy typing this comment).

  • @adithyanbiju7589
    @adithyanbiju7589 2 года назад +3

    the amount of work and time you spend for each vedio is awsome

    • @UTKETCHUP
      @UTKETCHUP 2 года назад

      Bruh atleast say something orignal
      (Or atleast with proper English)

  • @mark12strang58
    @mark12strang58 2 года назад +9

    After a war pilots from hostile nations are able to talk with each other , despite having tried to kill each other.

  • @davidnemoseck9007
    @davidnemoseck9007 2 года назад +6

    Cool info about those 2 pilots at the end.

  • @scottblankenship650
    @scottblankenship650 2 года назад

    Yet another great video thanks for posting!

  • @andreasleonardo6793
    @andreasleonardo6793 2 года назад +1

    Nice video from excellent specific channel video about dogfight between Mig23s & mirage fighter jet with clearly explaining of historic background of Angola

  • @Muhammad_Rishad_Baldemar
    @Muhammad_Rishad_Baldemar 2 года назад +7

    The things that i always see in stories like this, it seems that after the war is done the pilots/troops that involved just chill out with one another

    • @TheNefastor
      @TheNefastor 2 года назад +2

      I think it's a strange world. People passionate about flying jets that are only available to the military, and therefore only really used for attacking each other. Maybe they don't see the fight as a personal fight. They never really seem like the chest-thumping patriots to me.

  • @Retroscoop
    @Retroscoop Год назад +12

    The strangest Cold War episode is Cabinda, when Cubans "protected" US oil interests against some thugs who wanted to blow up parts of it. It can't get weirder.

    • @lazaromarisi4320
      @lazaromarisi4320 Год назад

      No puedes entenderlo, porque no eres un estratega, como lo fué Castro, el quería evitar una intervención directa de USA en la guerra

  • @nicolaasfourie
    @nicolaasfourie 5 месяцев назад +1

    As someone who was involved in the war in Angola, I must say this is one of the most balanced assessments I've seen about the conflict, even if only a small part of it.

  • @eaglestrike6875
    @eaglestrike6875 11 месяцев назад

    Great video. Very balanced as there is a lot of ideologically inspired hot air about that conflict. Keep up the good work!

  • @scudb5509
    @scudb5509 2 года назад +7

    Hi, Binkov.
    Would you be able to cover every air loss/air engagement during the 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia, please?
    You could also perhaps look at every version behind the shooting down of F-117 and perhaps come up with a logical conclusion.
    That’ll be very interesting to see. You could also do that for 1991 Iraq and Libya.

    • @Josh93B93
      @Josh93B93 2 года назад +1

      "Sorry, we didnt know your jet was supposed to be invisible"

  • @robertortiz-wilson1588
    @robertortiz-wilson1588 Год назад +1

    I enjoyed the historical background and information here very much!

  • @exodus7192
    @exodus7192 2 года назад

    Impressive as usual Binkov.

  • @user-ms2ie9vp6q
    @user-ms2ie9vp6q 5 месяцев назад +4

    AT 17 :45 it is incorrectly stated the mirage FI was written off. The fuselage aft section of no 206 was joined to the forward section of no 205.(written off in a landing accident in 19) and continued to fly with the SAAF.

  • @SA-xf1eb
    @SA-xf1eb 2 года назад +3

    Very interesting. More like these please.

  • @MisteriosGloriosos922
    @MisteriosGloriosos922 2 года назад +1

    *Thanks for informative video bro!!!*

  • @fredo0084
    @fredo0084 2 года назад +1

    14:49 the animation when the mig and the mirage roll it's sooo smooth

  • @slate4687
    @slate4687 2 года назад +5

    The Mig 23 MLD was really Dangerous

  • @devlin7575
    @devlin7575 2 года назад +3

    Great video. Have watched several on this theatre but learned some interesting things here. Thank you. Subscribed!

  • @OPMDK
    @OPMDK 2 года назад +2

    Solid graphics this video 👍

  • @TheKeithvidz
    @TheKeithvidz 2 года назад +3

    i'd read of this - nice of you touching on africa.

  • @stewartw.9151
    @stewartw.9151 2 года назад +4

    I know Arthur Piercy, he is still around living in the Pretoria area. He did not get the Seawind aircraft for the round-the-world trip completed, for various reasons, which was a pity. Building any aircraft is a huge and very costly exercise.

    • @useryggfdcc
      @useryggfdcc 2 года назад +1

      He flew the MirageF1 CZ. I knew one pilot from 1 SQN who was killed on the low flying mission at night into Angola, Major Copenhagen . My friend in the SA army special forces found his crashed MirageF1.
      Me served in the SAAF for 12 years., we lost 2 MirageF1 and one crash landed.
      Interested times back in the '80s.

  • @dougerrohmer
    @dougerrohmer Год назад +5

    Captain Piercy's aircraft wasn't a total loss. It was repaired at the then Atlas Aircraft Corporation by using parts of another damaged aircraft, so out of two aircraft one whole one was made. The two Mig 21's in Major Rankin's second encounter both were damaged but landed and the pilots are alive and kicking. The aircraft, however, were damaged beyond repair and were both written off - I guess they didn't have an Atlas 🙂

  • @girijaa1
    @girijaa1 8 месяцев назад +1

    Very good recollection of what happened.

  • @csansolo
    @csansolo 7 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks,very good video.

  • @JB-qg2uc
    @JB-qg2uc Год назад +5

    This might be the only air victory ever attributed to a MiG-23, even though the ejection only occurred after landing.

  • @georgscharf1973
    @georgscharf1973 Год назад +14

    I was in an operation in Angola that had over six weeks over 280 sorties of Migs and Sukois trying to bomb our combat group. The only damage was a hole punched in a water tank.

    • @izthegemini7484
      @izthegemini7484 Год назад +3

      still lost tho lmfao

    • @georgscharf1973
      @georgscharf1973 Год назад

      Well we achieved our aims. It was a limited offensive and succeeded in bringing a political solution to all. The ANC government also won, but after 25 years of utter shit governance has lost the peace. They are the real losers.

    • @navajoguy8102
      @navajoguy8102 Год назад +2

      @@georgscharf1973 You lost

    • @georgscharf1973
      @georgscharf1973 Год назад +1

      @@navajoguy8102 Hahaha. We had 35 killed in action. The Angolans had over 4000 KIA. If that means we lost. Have it your way. Hahaha.

    • @navajoguy8102
      @navajoguy8102 Год назад +4

      @@georgscharf1973 UNITA had thousands of KIA, yknow those guys you lot used as canon fodder. But they were Black so of course you didn't care.

  • @cunningdingo2541
    @cunningdingo2541 2 года назад +3

    Your Animation are very good.

  • @silentwatcher1455
    @silentwatcher1455 2 года назад +36

    MIG23MLD wasn't as bad performer as western press says.

    • @kilianfirebolt
      @kilianfirebolt 2 года назад +22

      @@Rafaelleao1977 You think the american press would ever report positive about a soviet aircraft?

    • @sunilnalawade6700
      @sunilnalawade6700 2 года назад +4

      MIG 23 were in the Indian Airforce and performance was good

    • @roadhigher
      @roadhigher 2 года назад +4

      Then again Cuba didn't use MLD's, those were reserved only for the Soviet Air Force. Cuban Floggers in Angola were only of the MF/BN variants, the BN being a dedicated Ground Attack version and the MF being a downgraded export version of the very first Flogger model.
      MLD's would have ripped the Mirage F1 a new asshole with no difficulty, those things were designed to go toe to toe with F-16's whilst the MiG-29 was still in low supply.

    • @2ClicksUp
      @2ClicksUp 2 года назад +1

      Mig & Sukhoi = brilliant Jets flown by sea turtles

  • @thor1696
    @thor1696 2 года назад +7

    Ah man i thought you doin indo-pak war of 1971

  • @holyarmor578
    @holyarmor578 2 года назад +16

    The MiG built by the Armenian engineer Mikoian

    • @user-me5oq3kl4h
      @user-me5oq3kl4h 2 года назад

      Mig is built by Mikoian and Gurevich , not only Mikoian

    • @holyarmor578
      @holyarmor578 2 года назад +2

      @@user-me5oq3kl4h Head engineer Mikoian and his assistant Gurevich

    • @MrRight-fu1gf
      @MrRight-fu1gf 2 года назад

      That’s why the Mig is called Mikoian. Usually for MiG-23 I will hear Mikoian MiG-23. Just like the nickname for the AK. Thank you for the knowledge sir.

  • @arnemeyer3047
    @arnemeyer3047 2 года назад +6

    Note South Africa developed it's own domestic fighters too, the atlas cheetahs, based on mirage and Impala, (later trainer), based on SAAF f86 sabres used effectivrly in the Korean UN police action. SAAF now operates SAAB Gripen variants.

    • @wwclay86
      @wwclay86 2 года назад +3

      The Impala is NOT an F-86 variant...

    • @useryggfdcc
      @useryggfdcc 2 года назад +1

      The Atlas Cheetahs were NOT South African produced fighters.
      I know...

    • @wwclay86
      @wwclay86 2 года назад

      @@useryggfdcc atlas built those based off information they got from IAI related to the kifir and Nesher fighters built for the Israeli Air Force

    • @useryggfdcc
      @useryggfdcc 2 года назад +1

      @@wwclay86 Like I said, I know they are not SA produced, not the Cheetah C.
      I was trained to work on them since the start of the project.

    • @wwclay86
      @wwclay86 2 года назад

      @@useryggfdcc oh cool! Those are some of my favorite planes. Hopefully I didn't offend you in any way.

  • @bunzinod1964
    @bunzinod1964 6 месяцев назад +2

    My wife's father was a Cuban Colonel in the Oriente Province of Cuba that was in charge of weapons logistics for this war ... Very interesting stories

  • @gavinalmeida1994
    @gavinalmeida1994 3 месяца назад +4

    During training we were told to just assume that Angola had air superiority. And trained accordingly

  • @rickygouveia4341
    @rickygouveia4341 Год назад +14

    lol that was a walk in the park for south africa they f up all of them hands down Greetings to my south African friends from Portugal 🇵🇹

    • @cuba129
      @cuba129 Год назад

      Lol sure Thay did keep dreaming

  • @Tec-9er
    @Tec-9er Год назад +2

    Im having trouble understanding the ending with the mirage pilot, his seat didn’t detach, but his parachute deployed, then he is paralyzed ? so the opening of the chute broke his back or what?

    • @BloodSteyn
      @BloodSteyn Год назад

      Basically the chute is designed for the person... not the person + the seat. So his velocity would not have been sufficiently slowed to a level that would have prevented his injuries. Imagine you're strapped to a heavy chair that gets shot up with a massive force, and you basically have a tiny, Wile Coyote like umbrella to slow your fall. You then smack down hard in the chair and your spine gets crushed by the forces involved.

  • @mrreed-gf4go
    @mrreed-gf4go 11 месяцев назад +1

    Here we go.. my favorites talking frog!.. good documentary, my little talking frog fella..

  • @eddiepires3998
    @eddiepires3998 2 года назад +10

    at 18:29 - The Mirage F1 AZ shot down in Feb 1988 by SA13 surface to air missile. The Pilot's name was Major Ed Every.

    • @militavia-air-defense-aircraft
      @militavia-air-defense-aircraft 2 года назад +4

      There was no SA-13 in the region. Only SA-9s and SA-8s were shipped there.
      The list about the support is available.
      The Angola theater was so meaningless that Soviets sent T-34s (!) in early stages and even T-55s were sent from tanks later.
      Literally the third line stuff was exported except SAMs and fighters.
      The MiG-23s were shipped because in the USSR MiG-29s replaced them except the MiG-23MLD variant. So it was a lots of them. Same case the SA-9. Form 1978/79 SA-13 started to replace the SA-9 and the life span of the SA-9 was limited because the crystallization in the rocket propellant.

  • @penzancegunner857
    @penzancegunner857 2 года назад +6

    The good old days. Great times!

  • @GEORGECASTILLO
    @GEORGECASTILLO 2 года назад +2

    Very professional video

  • @gavrielmarcus831
    @gavrielmarcus831 2 года назад

    Love your videos!

  • @theflyer4916
    @theflyer4916 Год назад +4

    Never knew Kermit was a historian! LOL!

  • @andrewmorke
    @andrewmorke 2 года назад +11

    Good video overall. The attrition rate of FAPLA/Cuban aircraft was quite high in this theater -- accidents accounting for most losses. The Stinger MANPAD provided to UNITA rebels took a hefty toll on Soviet-built aircraft too. The SA Army managed to destroy several MiG-23ML on the ground with artillery fire, and even 20mm AAA. The SAAF desperately needed better AAMs such as the Magic II and Super 530. Their old Magics and V3 Kukris were terrible AAMs.

    • @maxkronader5225
      @maxkronader5225 2 года назад

      Good point about the SA AAMs. The Mirage F1 was a decent aircraft for its day. Not top notch, but good enough for SA's operational requirements. The problem was, as you pointed out, the truly abysmal performance of its missiles. Had it been armed with more recent versions of Sidewinder (or any newer all-aspect IR AAM for that matter) its track record for AtoA would have been much different.

    • @andrewmorke
      @andrewmorke 2 года назад

      @@maxkronader5225 Good insights. The SAAF acquired the Israeli Python III in the late-80s as an emergency stopgap measure (AKA "V3S"). The V3S was too heavy for the wingtip pylons of the Mirage F1AZ so it was fitted on inboard wing pylons. The advanced R-Darter and A-Darter missiles came too late to help out in Angola. The Cheetah (essentially a Kfir C7/9 with updated Atar 9K engine instead of J79) would have held the fort against the Mig-23 until the Atlas Carver was ready to confront inevitable MiG-29 fighters.

    • @kidpagronprimsank05
      @kidpagronprimsank05 2 года назад

      Acquired AAMs were real problems for South Africa due to sanction

    • @MrRight-fu1gf
      @MrRight-fu1gf 2 года назад

      @@kidpagronprimsank05 South Africa didn’t have sanctions until the late 1980s early 1990s. So in the beginning of the war they didn’t have sanctions and still lost.

    • @kidpagronprimsank05
      @kidpagronprimsank05 2 года назад

      @@MrRight-fu1gf weapon sanctions were in 1977

  • @hikmetburhan8495
    @hikmetburhan8495 2 года назад

    Binkov's your videos is the best evry youtube videos .

  • @Jarod-vg9wq
    @Jarod-vg9wq 2 года назад +1

    The Angola in civil war needs more attention especially in this channel.

  • @mierbeuker8148
    @mierbeuker8148 2 года назад +6

    Ah yes, the good old days. Best time of my life.

  • @guytero8812
    @guytero8812 2 года назад +13

    Thank you. A very interesting video. I served in the infantry in the South African army from 1978 to 1980. In 1978 my best friend worked for Denel and was busy designing new heat seeking missiles for the SA Defence Force. He eventually moved to Canada in 1982 and became a tech giant.

    • @useryggfdcc
      @useryggfdcc 2 года назад

      Kentron

    • @guytero8812
      @guytero8812 2 года назад

      @@useryggfdcc Sorry! You're right. It was Kentron in those days.

    • @useryggfdcc
      @useryggfdcc 2 года назад

      @@guytero8812 Which tech gaint in Canada?
      I also moved to Canada after leaving Kentron.

    • @guytero8812
      @guytero8812 2 года назад

      @@useryggfdcc His name is Anthony and his surname starts with a D.

  • @cubantpa
    @cubantpa 2 года назад +2

    Interesting video. Thank you. My father and uncle had to go to that war. With the Cuban army and airforce 🤪

  • @bskiez
    @bskiez 2 года назад +3

    A video game like that would be great I'd like to use the Cubans because I know the SADF would be a lot tougher to play against

  • @mikaelbiilmann6826
    @mikaelbiilmann6826 2 года назад +10

    I was not there. Noone from my family was there. Noone I know was there.

    • @User-nj9ti
      @User-nj9ti 2 года назад +4

      same, fuck historical events

  • @frowner3466
    @frowner3466 2 года назад +5

    My grandpa was a soldier in the war (this war)

  • @fredo0084
    @fredo0084 2 года назад +1

    The intro sounded like something out of a dogfights episode awesome

  • @-JA-
    @-JA- 2 года назад +1

    Thank you.