Both characters are strong but with different abilities, for example Jinshi with dmg skills. Kuro is very clever in not making old characters get powercreep
she buffs frazzle so i think its more possible for zani to be sub dps for her and phoebe for spectro rover (or zani if she buffs frazzle) thats my theory 🤓🤓
Jinhsi at S6 does more damage then a S6 Carlotta. I have both and tested both. Both are S6 with R1 weps. Saying 1 deals more damage than the other is also a bit of a stretch considering, Jinhsi still does not have her sub dps buffer yet. Carlotta has Zhezi for the damage deepen making her damage on par with Jinhsi, without a best in slot support. Says alot. They are both amazing but Carlotta needing her ultimate up or resonance liberation to do nuke damage makes her a bit more clunky then Jinhsi imo. Jinhsi plays better with a more consistant dps output. Go for Jinhsi over Pheobe easy choice.
Im a small dolphin and min/maxer to the core and I agree on you with this take. plus zhezhi is highly contested atm and, funnily enough, the unit I saved almost one year to s6 (with a bit of luck) since she is also a fine "hyper" and works insanely well with the "best" free unit of the game: Sanhua. Basically zhezhi is way too over contested and, even if I don't like Jinhsi design, another big "plus" from a meta pov is that she will eventually gain her dedicated sub dps unit and be free from the zhezhi prison ;)
I didnt understand your point about jinhsi needing verina or shorekeeper while pheobe doesnt. If im not running either of them then i just run yuanwu. Comp is jinhsi, zhezi, yuan. Before i got zhezi on her rerun it was spectro rover and yuan
I hope Kurogames makes future Jinhsi story cutscenese/NPC model with her in the new costume because imo her first costume feels more like a prototype. Honestly I never felt it reflected her 5 star status because even watching Chinese donghua, that's not how your typical female characters dress (and she's the magistrate). She's dressed like a 4 star character in her original costume and it looked like they patched together whatever fabrics they could find like she leads the exiles in the wilderness. Honestly I don't mind if they charge money for Jinhsi's new costume, but I hope they make all her cutsenes and NPC model wear the new costume. Now her new costume, finally she looks like our Chinese donghua characters wielding mighty celestial dragon powers while floating in the air. I guess the original intention for her original costume was post-apocalypse so they actually made her costume look like patchwork with dull colors, but dang that was a wrong direction as Changli isn't like that. Neither are Zhezhi, Yinlin, etc. Kurogames needed to make a new costume for Jinhsi (and they did). But I wish her NPC model is changed to the new costume for default.
respect if someone actually read all this 🫡🫡 but for just the 1st sentence, her skin just feels like skin (ofc it looks amazing) but I personally would want that and also that would remove the point of a “skin” kind of 🤷♂️
Should I farm the new Spectro set for Rover, and play with Phoebe + Rover + Healer character, or it's better to use Spectro Rover with the healing set instead and use Phoebe + second dps (Changli etc) + Rover healer just for the frazzle thingy? Also do I need to level up Spectro Rover Talents if I use with the healer set until Zani comes out? Not sure if I want to invest into Spectro Rover, but I have a healer set.
It would be better to run Changli Rover with Rover on healing set. I dont recommend levelling the talents too high, but getting the ult to level 6 or somthing isnt all too expensive
I hope Phoebe gets buffed in the sense that I hope she gets buffed as a sub DPs and that dot spectral frazzle and whatever the thing for fusion is gets buffed. I want Spectral frazzle to become a more integral part of her kit so that she she makes it better rather than it just buffing her. Idk dot in a lot of games is really good for aoe and stuff and I want that to be the case. If they make the nessasary changes I think she will have a lot of potential and be very strong at low investment.
I Don't have enough pulls for all the characters that will come. So I tought about getting 2 copies of shorekeeper in the store as a general support and at least one copy of Jinhsi to keep her competitive with phoebe or any upcoming spectro DPS, since Jihnsi S1 and S2 are very powerfull.
If you mean S2 Jinhsi i wouln't recommend it to you. It only gives her 50 Stacks if she is out of combat. If u don't have her weapon that would be a better idea.
@@donkeyblong9759 I already have her weapon. I'm also more inclined to get her S1 (and leave S2 fo Shorekeeper) since it can buff her attack in 80% if you get her the four heralds. Should make up for any powercreep in the near future.
I'm currently struggling on Hazard floor 2 w Jinshi, Verina, and Yuanwu team. I think currently I have enough pull for one banner only, you think I should spend it on Carlotta, Zhezhi, or S1 Jinshi? Cuz all 3 seems to be great 😅 Carlotta (more dps option) Zhezhi (buff Jinshi) S1 Jinshi (deals more damage)
Jinshi is great and doesn't need Zhezhi to be good. Yeah, she helps, but you can use a lvl 60 Yuanwu with her, and it works. If it's Jinshi or SK, that's a harder choice. I feel like SK if you need support.. if you need a nuke DPS Jinshi is great.
I go for Jinhsi this patch, because yuanwu is her F2P battery for her forte. As far as I know, there will be no shorekeeper rerun next patch, so if you REALLY like brant, pull for him and If you lose 50/50, you're guaranteed Shorekeeper on her rerun. 🎉
If you need spectro dps go for jinhsi (she still doesn't have her BIS support and sub dps so if they drop it she'll be stronger in the future). Meanwhile you can use spectro MC w/new echo set as a dps if you skip her. Brant is a fusion support so he's good for changli, but Shorekeeper is better support for any team. In conclusion, pull whoever you want.
Jinshi will always be my favourite character. Sadly she is very unga bunga to use and i like more sofistication during combat, but Phoebe is not gonna solve this. So Jinhsi.
How do you make this comparision Phoebe kit is not out yet.. you can't comapre them to each other when you do not have the full kit of Pheobe to tell if you can choose between her and jinhsi..
@@fastedwarrior7353 who would have thought a meta theorycrafter would talk about meta. Bro the type of guy to walk into a Math class expecting to learn about Human Resources 💀
I am a meta channel literally what are you expecting here. If you prefer Phoebe's playstyle you're likely gonna pull for Phoebe no matter what I say lmfao.
Both characters are strong but with different abilities, for example Jinshi with dmg skills.
Kuro is very clever in not making old characters get powercreep
there is slow powercreep going on, it's just that ToA remains the same, so people don't mind/notice/care
@wanderingwatcher3981 Yeah it's very slow for powercreep
Jinhsi will still get stronger in the future when her dedicated support and sub dps arrive
Praying phoebe becomes a sub dps for Jin
she buffs frazzle so i think its more possible for zani to be sub dps for her and phoebe for spectro rover (or zani if she buffs frazzle) thats my theory 🤓🤓
the leaked character sheet literally classified her as main dps
@@Maebbie ok mr fun breaker sorry for theory crafting 😭😭
Phoebe will pair well with Spectro Rover
I really hope not since I don't have or want jinhsi but I want phoebe
Jinhsi at S6 does more damage then a S6 Carlotta.
I have both and tested both.
Both are S6 with R1 weps. Saying 1 deals more damage than the other is also a bit of a stretch considering, Jinhsi still does not have her sub dps buffer yet.
Carlotta has Zhezi for the damage deepen making her damage on par with Jinhsi, without a best in slot support. Says alot.
They are both amazing but Carlotta needing her ultimate up or resonance liberation to do nuke damage makes her a bit more clunky then Jinhsi imo. Jinhsi plays better with a more consistant dps output.
Go for Jinhsi over Pheobe easy choice.
Im a small dolphin and min/maxer to the core and I agree on you with this take.
plus zhezhi is highly contested atm and, funnily enough, the unit I saved almost one year to s6 (with a bit of luck) since she is also a fine "hyper" and works insanely well with the "best" free unit of the game: Sanhua.
Basically zhezhi is way too over contested and, even if I don't like Jinhsi design, another big "plus" from a meta pov is that she will eventually gain her dedicated sub dps unit and be free from the zhezhi prison ;)
How does bro expect me to take notes on his toa rotation and listen to what he’s saying at the same time😭😭😭
Skip them both for Cartethyia.
cartethyia isn't spectro right? or are we getting 3 spectro dps in 2.X (zani,phoebe are 2 already).
@@firasdrass943Zani is electro
@@HizzerPeews Based AF!!!!
@@gobindamazumder3410 I believe she is spectro that relies on the new frazzle Dot.
@@firasdrass943allegedly she’s aero / glacio
Skip Both Wait For Brant.
No one asked but...congrats ?
my man
I'm getting fartbe and her signature then getting brant and praying for his signature
@@bryanadams4981 and why are you affected by this.. congrats?
Skip brant wait for Cartethyia
Jinshi: Zhezhi, we finally beat Phoebe!
Zhezhi: but Jinshi, SHE'S ONLY THE SUB DPS!
Zani:
Local sister destroy jinzhou magistrate in one battle headline be like
Bro I have jinshi and I will be pulling for Phoebe S2 maybe
I didnt understand your point about jinhsi needing verina or shorekeeper while pheobe doesnt. If im not running either of them then i just run yuanwu. Comp is jinhsi, zhezi, yuan. Before i got zhezi on her rerun it was spectro rover and yuan
I hope Kurogames makes future Jinhsi story cutscenese/NPC model with her in the new costume because imo her first costume feels more like a prototype. Honestly I never felt it reflected her 5 star status because even watching Chinese donghua, that's not how your typical female characters dress (and she's the magistrate). She's dressed like a 4 star character in her original costume and it looked like they patched together whatever fabrics they could find like she leads the exiles in the wilderness.
Honestly I don't mind if they charge money for Jinhsi's new costume, but I hope they make all her cutsenes and NPC model wear the new costume. Now her new costume, finally she looks like our Chinese donghua characters wielding mighty celestial dragon powers while floating in the air. I guess the original intention for her original costume was post-apocalypse so they actually made her costume look like patchwork with dull colors, but dang that was a wrong direction as Changli isn't like that. Neither are Zhezhi, Yinlin, etc.
Kurogames needed to make a new costume for Jinhsi (and they did). But I wish her NPC model is changed to the new costume for default.
respect if someone actually read all this 🫡🫡 but for just the 1st sentence, her skin just feels like skin (ofc it looks amazing) but I personally would want that and also that would remove the point of a “skin” kind of 🤷♂️
Should I farm the new Spectro set for Rover, and play with Phoebe + Rover + Healer character, or it's better to use Spectro Rover with the healing set instead and use Phoebe + second dps (Changli etc) + Rover healer just for the frazzle thingy? Also do I need to level up Spectro Rover Talents if I use with the healer set until Zani comes out? Not sure if I want to invest into Spectro Rover, but I have a healer set.
It would be better to run Changli Rover with Rover on healing set. I dont recommend levelling the talents too high, but getting the ult to level 6 or somthing isnt all too expensive
You better drop that ultimate showdown video when she comes out
I love DoT mechanics and I also really like Jinhsi. I don't really like having to upgrade 2 spectro dps but I don't mind having both at least
I hope Phoebe gets buffed in the sense that I hope she gets buffed as a sub DPs and that dot spectral frazzle and whatever the thing for fusion is gets buffed. I want Spectral frazzle to become a more integral part of her kit so that she she makes it better rather than it just buffing her. Idk dot in a lot of games is really good for aoe and stuff and I want that to be the case. If they make the nessasary changes I think she will have a lot of potential and be very strong at low investment.
Theyve already changed Brant's numbers in beta so we never know
I Don't have enough pulls for all the characters that will come. So I tought about getting 2 copies of shorekeeper in the store as a general support and at least one copy of Jinhsi to keep her competitive with phoebe or any upcoming spectro DPS, since Jihnsi S1 and S2 are very powerfull.
If you mean S2 Jinhsi i wouln't recommend it to you. It only gives her 50 Stacks if she is out of combat. If u don't have her weapon that would be a better idea.
@@donkeyblong9759 I already have her weapon. I'm also more inclined to get her S1 (and leave S2 fo Shorekeeper) since it can buff her attack in 80% if you get her the four heralds. Should make up for any powercreep in the near future.
I'm currently struggling on Hazard floor 2 w Jinshi, Verina, and Yuanwu team. I think currently I have enough pull for one banner only, you think I should spend it on Carlotta, Zhezhi, or S1 Jinshi? Cuz all 3 seems to be great 😅
Carlotta (more dps option)
Zhezhi (buff Jinshi)
S1 Jinshi (deals more damage)
you forgot to mention that Phoebe looks cuter
I just lost the 50/50 on zhezhi banner, so should I pull for jinshi? Or get the supports first like brant and shorekeeper
Jinshi is great and doesn't need Zhezhi to be good. Yeah, she helps, but you can use a lvl 60 Yuanwu with her, and it works. If it's Jinshi or SK, that's a harder choice. I feel like SK if you need support.. if you need a nuke DPS Jinshi is great.
I go for Jinhsi this patch, because yuanwu is her F2P battery for her forte.
As far as I know, there will be no shorekeeper rerun next patch, so if you REALLY like brant, pull for him and If you lose 50/50, you're guaranteed Shorekeeper on her rerun. 🎉
If you need spectro dps go for jinhsi (she still doesn't have her BIS support and sub dps so if they drop it she'll be stronger in the future). Meanwhile you can use spectro MC w/new echo set as a dps if you skip her.
Brant is a fusion support so he's good for changli, but Shorekeeper is better support for any team.
In conclusion, pull whoever you want.
Jinhsi is a team, phoebe needs a team. Coordinated attacks is an easier requirement to fufill then spectro frazzle applier
If you don't mind limited teammate options or like spectro mc /zani, then phoebe is good.
Phoebe + Zani will be the first true powercreep team. Until Cartethyia.
Jinshi will always be my favourite character. Sadly she is very unga bunga to use and i like more sofistication during combat, but Phoebe is not gonna solve this. So Jinhsi.
I dont care about who is stronger i just need to know if zani gonna need phoebe for her best team ?
It's said that phoebe's best teammate is zani, it's probably mutual
Dont care.
Phoebe is cuter and more breedable, so im rolling for her.
Meta be damned
Feel weird she’s DPS and not support but I suppose it’s cause this element is very lacking for options
Jinshi! end of video.
How do you make this comparision Phoebe kit is not out yet.. you can't comapre them to each other when you do not have the full kit of Pheobe to tell if you can choose between her and jinhsi..
He is just speculating I don't think devs are dumb enough to release a weak af dps after a banger like Carlotta.
Phoebe might be main dps though lol
Strongest jhinsi sweep
Skip both, Zani is queen of spectro dps
Jinhsi always
Come on bro, why are u giving opinions of chars that are still not out.
@@donkeyblong9759 that's my gimmick
Jinny won!
Of course she won Thundah is Meta slave and TC’er which means he doesn’t like different styles of play!!!!
@@fastedwarrior7353???? what is this comment lmao
@@sweatdropsslike fr💀
@@fastedwarrior7353sound like smb is mad😂
@@fastedwarrior7353 who would have thought a meta theorycrafter would talk about meta. Bro the type of guy to walk into a Math class expecting to learn about Human Resources 💀
Thundah is meta simping hard for Jinhsi who is ONLY used for ToA even by the simps.
I am a meta channel literally what are you expecting here. If you prefer Phoebe's playstyle you're likely gonna pull for Phoebe no matter what I say lmfao.
I'm a new player, can you please explain why Jinhsi is only used in ToA? Is she not good outside ToA?
@@kuroh.9455 Because unless you have her S2 you have to fill her forte bar EVERY time you want to use her nuke.
@@ThundahPrime You know Jinhsi is REALLY bad outside of tower right? So is ToA all that matters to you KQM.
@@kuroh.9455she just doesn’t do much dmg outside of toa unless u build her forte all the way