Thank you for still running WOW benchmarks. I play WoW most of all plus I can tell about where the performance of a CPU/GPU will treat me based off how it runs wow. VERY helpful.
Thank you again Max for doing this WoW benchmarks. Even 9 month latter this is the only video in the internet about WoW performance considering 5600 upgrade to 5800X3D
Never clicked so fast! I wonder if my Asus Rog Strix B350 works with the X3D. I currently have 1700x so huge upgrade. Thank you for doing this testing Max!
Thank you so much for this benchmark - I (as well as many others) was looking for what World of Warcraft would benefit from this CPU. I am currently setting on a 3600X and a 3080 10gb, so seeing this benchmark makes me excited to get my 5800X3D and tipped my "buying scale" from 5900X, as I don't do any workloads on my PC.
The benefit with the 5800X3D is that you can slot it into an AM4 socket, with cheap memory you still have, and get very close to the Intel CPU's which platforms, memory and CPU's cost significantly more. And because of the L3, you dont need to do any memory tuning to get the most out of it.
Fantastic showing how 12th gen will slurp up every bit of memory tweaking you throw at it (and other CPUs too from both Intel and AMD) while the 5800X3D everything basically sits in that, big, beautiful monstrous cache.
As someone who doesn't have the patience for playing with RAM settings (and playing WOW especially, can't afford crashing killing M+ keys), I am glad to see how well it does without having to tweak the memory! I'm curious how well the extra cache helps it process add-ons in a large raid environment too....
This thing is amazing. Great testing!! If anyone wants random games tested on this cpu let me know lol. I had my mind blown by testing out BFV and seeing 250+ constant FPS
Excited to see this. Hopefully you get a chance to show us 1440p Shadowlands numbers. Thinking of replacing my 3800x with this since I have a x570 board already. Would love to know if it's worth it using a 3080 at 1440p.
I am in a similar boat, however I'm running a 3900X with a 6900XT. The 5800X3D looks like a decent upgrade, but I am not sure if itbs really worth it at higher resolutions, especially for World of Warcraft.
1440p is GPU limited with my custom bios unlocked 3090 Kingpin, at around 190fps, so in this test, it will be worth it if you have a 144Hz+ display, and vs the 3800X you will notice an impressive bump in situation like big Raids or BGs
@@Kaltpfote If you do Raids and BG, with the 6900XT, from a Zen2 to this 5800X3D you can play even at 4K 144Hz and forget about stuttering or frame drops
@@HardwareNumb3rs i only use pc to play WoW and i have AW3423DW monitor . i will sell b450 / 5600x / 2x8 3200cl16 and keep my 6900xt gpu. I bought 5800x3d and msi x570 to bemefit from kombo strike from pci4 and SaM. The questions i have from your experience is which ram is best for this setup ? 2x16 ? 4x8 ? Cl14 cl16 ? 3600 ? Higher ? Thnx in advance and keep up the good work !
@@HardwareNumb3rs Even at 1440P with a 3080, I'm seeing much higher FPS with the X3D vs say a 5900X. So it's not 100% GPU limited and depends on hardware.
Often if you know the chips your memory uses you can do a changes without worry. tRC, tRRDS, TRRDL, tFAW, tRFC, and tREFI are the first settings to change if your board allows you, they are generally very safe and easy if you know your chips and give a decent performance bump without taking a lot of time.
@@kristian77ful hardly true, especially if you have a kit like Samsung bdie where you can drop trfc quite a bit. It may not always increase your average fps but in cpu limited games it'll at least help with lows. Just depends on what ics you have and if you like tinkering. For zen3 before 5800x3d most gains were to be had via memory OC.
I am thinking hard about replacing my 3700X, it's hard knowing what's best with the 5800X on sale and the 5900X so close then the 5800X3D for a tad more but with less cores. Interesting to see how little RAM speed affects the CPU.
Me too. I'm thinking about the downside of sticking with AM4. Very soon, I'll be the only passenger on a crashing plane. I'm thinking about jumping ship to Z690 so that then I might be able to get Raptor Lake. Then again, DDR4 or DDR5?... It's a difficult one.
I went from 3900x to 5800x3d and saw a very large amount of framerate increase. Used to be 90-100 fps in oribos and ardenweild. Now at 170. Some zones are instances (20-40 man's) I am seeing 100fps increase.
I just got back to WoW, and was leveling on a laptop, but I wanted to get into PVP (I used to be pretty competitive in Arena). So I wanted all the edge I can get. Well I just ordered a 5800x3d for this very reason. WoW loves the v-cache, and I'm excited to give it a spin.
I would love to see 12900K with 6400 memory OC, to see how far you can push the RAM, and no OC for the CPU, and keep the E-cores ON. All of us doesnt game all the time, we also want the CPU to be fast in other Windows applications.
There is the fix for the E-cores, manually set the Ring to 45+, with the CPU at default and a good 6400 ram profile it should be similar to the 5800X3D
@@HardwareNumb3rs there is already a few benchmarks showing different mhz it'd about 6-10fps more depending on the game going from 3600 to 4000mhz.. sadly they don't show the CL and judging by the ram they use I think those improvements are with CL16-18
great video - I'm playing in Dragonflight with x3D, 3080 at 1440P 170hz. my previous chip was the 5900X, the swap was worth it. In Valdrakken I got 110FPS on Ultra with the 5900X, with the x3D i gain 20-30FPS. though I just did a world boss and somehow the fps was not stable, though this could because it's Dragonflight and isn't as smooth as SL was.
Thank you for your WoW Benchmarks. They helped a lot to choose between the 5900X or the 5800X3D because they cost the same here at the moment. After watching your benchmarks, I came to the following conclusion: In most games, the 5900X and 5800X3D are equal. If you need more power in non gaming workloads, easily choose the 5900X. But in some games like WoW, the 5800X3D is the better CPU. Because I don't care about "non gaming workloads" and I play only WoW and Battlefield, I bought the 5800X3D.
i swapped from 5900X as the productivity workload performance vs the gains in games wasn't worth keeping the 5900X. Adobe runs just as good on the x3D as it did with the 5900X while in games I gained on avg 20FPS more and 1% lows also got bumped up so the x3D def was worth the swap
Can you give better info on what "fully tuned" is? Zentimings screenshot, or something? Are you using 2 banks per channel for DDR4, or 1 bank per channel? True fully tuned would be 4 banks per channel with 1T and GD0.
Fully tuned is all the timings set on manual and in the configuration gives the best result for the plattform, I usually try everything and pick the best combo of settings
13600k build with 7200 DDR5 vs Swapping my 5900x to a 5800x3d (3600 CL16)... Thoughts? WoW is the main thing I care about and just looking to get all frames I can in raid.
Hey mate! Great short review! Thanks. I currently sit on 5600x with 6700XT and DDR4. I play on 1440p Ultrawide. I was wondering to get that CPU to improve my Dragonflight experience. What are your thoughts?
Hey! It will be a nice boost, probably 40% or more, you will notice a big difference in BG such Ashran and similar, the very difficult areas never dips below 60fps, monster cpu
Could You make a video about RAM tuning? But make it for us, for people who never touch their ram, i think is very complicated so I need a video Where You explain everything with details. Pls🙏
Hey Max thank you very much for this! Any chance you have tested this in raid/battleground scenario, does the performance improvements hold in those areas/content as well?
Awesome video mate, WoW has been my main game for years. Do you have any thoughts on how this will run with an GTX 1080 ti at 1080p (1440p at the end of the year)? I maybe getting one 5800x3d and focusing my resources for a next gen GPU upgrade. Cheers.
I am just recently starting a new build since for a long time as I am getting back into PC gaming. I did a few weeks of research and decided on the 5800X3D. I know that the 7000X recently came out, but I don't want to pay the higher prices for the motherboards and DDR5 ram, where I can fing AM4 parts cheaper. I just scored a new 5800X3D today new for $299 shipped, now hunting for the remaining parts.
Great performance! 58003dx is much easier/cheaper to cool than Intel and lower power consumption. The AM4 platform is mature and ram/mobo's are cheap. There is no further CPU upgrades on AM4 but people tend to keep their CPU for approximately 5 years. AMD have been true to their word on supporting the AM4 platform over years. Intel tend to keep for 2 generations and few people change their CPU to the next generation after purchase. People are likely GPU limited and I can't see these CPU's being the bottleneck on next gen GPU's either. I would purchase the AM4 platform if the price is right, which I think it is.
@@chrisness 5800X3D is a lower clocked 5800X with better binned parts, & adds 64 MB L3 cache fused on, reducing need to fetch data from RAM in some apps. More power efficient than equivalent Intel (12900K) for gaming. 40-90 watts less total system power, according to testing.
What about at 1440p ? I've been really thinking should I finalise my last build of this gen with the 5800xd or go the Intel route for something different. I play mostly wow and Single player games .
Above 180-190 fps the 3090KP start to be the bottleneck at 1440p, so with a 12th 12600K or 12900K or 5800X3D you will be more than ok anyway, it seems we hit the maximum level of cpu power needed to run WoW
@@HardwareNumb3rs yah im on a 3600x at the moment so I can feel certain frame dips when the CPU in games get involved . Im running a 3080 suprim and 3600 corsair dominators.
Hmm, I would have hoped that the BCLK would go higher...I seem to vaguely recall that B550 boards tolerate BCLK OC better, if you can find one with a clock gen. The voltage lock could maybe be circumvented with an EVC2 if you are brave ;) Would be interesting to see this thing under your cascade cooler, if you can find a mobo that can push higher BLCK. There are some interesting consequences for benchmarks, I wonder how SuperPI would run.
Look at the Power Consumption, it uses 1/2 to 1/4 of the power. Yes, the 12900k was at front, but at what price and if you would have used pbo tuner, with a offset for example of -25 all core, it would have been most likely faster while only costing half as much and with half of the power draw
Hmm, going by the WoW benchmarks I think I can use that info for Guild Wars 2. That mmo is also very CPU bound despite it using DX11. It even beats my current cpu here, the 5950x.😊
Yes! I just upgraded from a 5600X to a 5800X3D today and GW2 was the third game I tested. I would drop to ~20 FPS doing metas and world bosses with the max quality graphics preset. I loaded in to Tequatl and my jaw dropped when my FPS was at 170 entering the area and 110 while fighting the boss in the middle of everyone!
@@Fenomenality I actually just bought the 5800X3D, waiting for it from Amazon. Now I will sell my 5950x🙂 Yeah that CPU is amazing in GW2, that's a huge jump you got with it
so the fps are very high in lower resolotion games! but what if u play wow in a resolution like 3440x1440? is the 5800x3d still good? or u just stick with a ryzen like 5600x and a the gpu depends then more for the higher fps?
@@HardwareNumb3rs do you feel upgrading from a Ryzen 5 2600 would see a decent improvement also running a 1080 Was going to build a new gen Intel but not sure if it's worthwhile only playing wow atm
Is the 5700x3d is it still enough for raiding and doing high crowded pvps nowadays? I have a 5600g and a 7700xt and it has been very hard to have high fps on these scenarios. I do not know if I will get a good upgrade investing 200 euro on this cpu or even I better move to am5 on a 7600x or 9600x. Thank you.
just subscribed after watching this! wondering if I should go from the 5600x to x3d with dragonflight coming aoon. I play 1440p ultrawide so the GPU will def matter more for the upgrade but still nice to see. If you could do ultrawide benchmarks that would be nice.
You might get a good improvement in BG like Ashran or heavy Raid with lots of addons etc. I test 1080p because over this resolution it start bottlenecking, at least with this benchmark, but in raid or bg you will definitely see the difference even at 1440p wide
At 4K the result would have been almost flat, since at that resolution and with those very powerful CPUs the GPU is a strong bottleneck, also in 1440p is bottlenecking
Actually a good nvme Gen 4 is better, for other purposes I use a ramdisk from a quad socket Hp server with 1TB DDR3 + 100GbE and is like similar to a gen3 nvme, a raid of 4x nvme Gen4 is much much more faster probably even of ddr5, I have one that does 30GB/s 🤯 but is hard to find a real use case to see benefits
Would it be a better option to go 5800x3d for the current price of $330 or a 12900k hand me down? I have a 3700x with ddr4 3000 memory currently struggling to get above 30-50fps in the new dragonflight towns.. The second option is a 12900k from a friend but I would need to buy a motherboard and a cpu cooler and possibly ram resulting in a much higher cost overall. My only concern is the slow ddr4 3000 on the 12900k. What do you think?
So.. a bit late, but now the question ? i5 13600k or 50800xd(or new AM5) Im running 10600k with 3070 and suffer massive drops (raid,(40-60) valdraken(40fps-70), Mplus(60-100) but some times feels wierd). Fresh install os and fresh install wow to. I just try to use basic WA and few addons. But let me know
@@BrianShaw23 Mainly for the ram, right now to achieve 6400+ you need a very good motherboard, bioses are getting better but ram with 12th gen are very important, more than cpu oc
By the way, do you have anywhere comparison 5800x3d to 7600x ? which could be better for world warcraft ? PVE like raids and dungeons. Because i wanna build pc but no clue if on 7600x or 5800x3d?
hello, under € 350 what is the motherboard that barricades / limits less the (high) frequencies of the DDR5 RAM? With the highest maximum frequency limit of the RAM, which supports the highest possible frequency in OC pushed DDR5 (with top-of-the-range CPU and RAM working at higher frequencies than those generally supported by the Z690 mobos, which therefore in this case could represent a limit and block / run RAM and CPU at a lower frequency than the max they could reach, unless we are talking about Asus Apex or very expensive mobos), then mobo that does not impose a frequency limit on CPU and RAM and letting them work at their high frequencies. I foresee in the future to probably put an i7-13900K (keeping the same mobo) so the only thing I need is that it is a model of mobo that lets CPU and RAM work at very high frequencies without barricading and not limiting CPU and RAM to the limit frequency of the mobo. With high max frequency limit (the one indicated by the manufacturers in the data sheets), but above all true in a real scenario, because I see that in the data sheets some models have indicated 5333MHz, others 6000MHz, but some say that all mobos with 4 DIMM / slot RAM barricade / limit all to 6400MHz (frequency of ddr5, even if these and the CPU could theoretically work in OC even at a little more than 6400MHz), hoping that this is not true, I am looking for a mobo suitable for OC pushed RAM, the goal is to try to bring even more mature ddr5 banks that I will buy in the future (with 13900k having better IMC and SA) at the highest achievable frequency, perhaps between 6500 and 7000MHz.
I do have a cl14@3600 , can you please share your Cl14 (samsung b) timings for 5800x3d. It keeps crashing for me , my Cl16 tridentz (hynex) didnt have that many issues when i tightened it.
Oh yes... Let me get some popcorn 🍿 Edit: 5800x3d is not for new builds. If you are on 2-3gen Ryzen... I would upgrade just the CPU ( if you already have a decent gpu or planning to get one)
I'm experiencing really weird FPS with WoW. I'm having 3600MHZ 16GB ram, 12600K & RX 6750XT. In Orgrimmar I experience 45-65FPS average on high to ultra. This only goes up to 70FPS when I put everything low. Is there a reason why this happens
hmm thats weird. I have a 5600x and a 6700xt with 32gb 3200mhz and I'm getting higher fps, did you check in the settings to see if the max foreground fps is on unlimited?
friend can you help me if I have to change CPU? I used the 1060 with the ryxen 5 2600, I played almost everything high in 2k, I had overcome the fps at 75 hz, in Oribos it stopped at 45-50 fps... update graphics now I have the 3070 and the ryzen 52600... the truth It hasn't been the impact I thought... I capped the fps at 92 fps in Oribos, 70 FPS goes to me and if there are a lot of people it goes to 54 fps, in stressful areas like bastion and with a lot of people doing quests it goes to 54 - 59 fps . Can you tell me what change to make? greetings and thanks
Thank you for still running WOW benchmarks. I play WoW most of all plus I can tell about where the performance of a CPU/GPU will treat me based off how it runs wow. VERY helpful.
Happy to hear that! I will keep doing WoW
I was literally just looking for benchmarks for the 5800x3d on WoW this morning, excited to see how it holds up!
perfect finale for AM4
Thank you again Max for doing this WoW benchmarks. Even 9 month latter this is the only video in the internet about WoW performance considering 5600 upgrade to 5800X3D
Did you do it ? Worth it ?
@@hedonismbot3274 Nope, I upgraded to 5950. Probably didn't worth it but I'm still considering 5800x3d and selling the 5950.
@@perka_bg i see thanks tho ! :)
First once again, thank you Max
Never clicked so fast! I wonder if my Asus Rog Strix B350 works with the X3D. I currently have 1700x so huge upgrade.
Thank you for doing this testing Max!
It might, the CPU is not even too hard on VRMs
Thank you so much for this benchmark - I (as well as many others) was looking for what World of Warcraft would benefit from this CPU. I am currently setting on a 3600X and a 3080 10gb, so seeing this benchmark makes me excited to get my 5800X3D and tipped my "buying scale" from 5900X, as I don't do any workloads on my PC.
The benefit with the 5800X3D is that you can slot it into an AM4 socket, with cheap memory you still have, and get very close to the Intel CPU's which platforms, memory and CPU's cost significantly more. And because of the L3, you dont need to do any memory tuning to get the most out of it.
Fantastic showing how 12th gen will slurp up every bit of memory tweaking you throw at it (and other CPUs too from both Intel and AMD) while the 5800X3D everything basically sits in that, big, beautiful monstrous cache.
As someone who doesn't have the patience for playing with RAM settings (and playing WOW especially, can't afford crashing killing M+ keys), I am glad to see how well it does without having to tweak the memory!
I'm curious how well the extra cache helps it process add-ons in a large raid environment too....
I will try to post some gameplay videos soon
@@HardwareNumb3rs Need some Raid videos from the 5800x3d :)
This thing is amazing. Great testing!! If anyone wants random games tested on this cpu let me know lol. I had my mind blown by testing out BFV and seeing 250+ constant FPS
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Came here from your appearance on Broken Silicon. Appreciate your work brother. Keep up the great content 👍
Excited to see this.
Hopefully you get a chance to show us 1440p Shadowlands numbers.
Thinking of replacing my 3800x with this since I have a x570 board already.
Would love to know if it's worth it using a 3080 at 1440p.
I am in a similar boat, however I'm running a 3900X with a 6900XT. The 5800X3D looks like a decent upgrade, but I am not sure if itbs really worth it at higher resolutions, especially for World of Warcraft.
1440p is GPU limited with my custom bios unlocked 3090 Kingpin, at around 190fps, so in this test, it will be worth it if you have a 144Hz+ display, and vs the 3800X you will notice an impressive bump in situation like big Raids or BGs
@@Kaltpfote If you do Raids and BG, with the 6900XT, from a Zen2 to this 5800X3D you can play even at 4K 144Hz and forget about stuttering or frame drops
@@HardwareNumb3rs i only use pc to play WoW and i have AW3423DW monitor .
i will sell b450 / 5600x / 2x8 3200cl16 and keep my 6900xt gpu.
I bought 5800x3d and msi x570 to bemefit from kombo strike from pci4 and SaM. The questions i have from your experience is which ram is best for this setup ? 2x16 ? 4x8 ? Cl14 cl16 ? 3600 ? Higher ?
Thnx in advance and keep up the good work !
@@HardwareNumb3rs Even at 1440P with a 3080, I'm seeing much higher FPS with the X3D vs say a 5900X. So it's not 100% GPU limited and depends on hardware.
"memory tuning is FREE" yes however, my time is not! What do YOU use for your stability testing to ensure zero BSOD?
Often if you know the chips your memory uses you can do a changes without worry. tRC, tRRDS, TRRDL, tFAW, tRFC, and tREFI are the first settings to change if your board allows you, they are generally very safe and easy if you know your chips and give a decent performance bump without taking a lot of time.
Depending on your chips tm5 with anta777 absolut config and if you got heat sensitive dies then add a gpu stresstest in
im using from tm5 to karhu or even OCCT memory test.
TM5, Karhu mainly, many hours to ensure 99.999% stability
@@kristian77ful hardly true, especially if you have a kit like Samsung bdie where you can drop trfc quite a bit.
It may not always increase your average fps but in cpu limited games it'll at least help with lows.
Just depends on what ics you have and if you like tinkering. For zen3 before 5800x3d most gains were to be had via memory OC.
Thank you very much for this video!
Thanks so much for this! Hard to find CPU benchmarks for WoW
I am thinking hard about replacing my 3700X, it's hard knowing what's best with the 5800X on sale and the 5900X so close then the 5800X3D for a tad more but with less cores.
Interesting to see how little RAM speed affects the CPU.
If you just make game I'd go 5800C3D, in fact I did just that 😉
Me too. I'm thinking about the downside of sticking with AM4. Very soon, I'll be the only passenger on a crashing plane. I'm thinking about jumping ship to Z690 so that then I might be able to get Raptor Lake. Then again, DDR4 or DDR5?... It's a difficult one.
I went from 3900x to 5800x3d and saw a very large amount of framerate increase. Used to be 90-100 fps in oribos and ardenweild. Now at 170. Some zones are instances (20-40 man's) I am seeing 100fps increase.
Apparently you can overclock these cpu's by BCLK Frequency but i think it depends on what Mobo you are using. Keep the content coming ;)
Curious if the 5800x3d is still running WoW well. I just bought it to pair with a 3080 strix.
I have a 5600x. Upgrade worth it ? 3440 x 1440 is my res.
I just got back to WoW, and was leveling on a laptop, but I wanted to get into PVP (I used to be pretty competitive in Arena). So I wanted all the edge I can get. Well I just ordered a 5800x3d for this very reason. WoW loves the v-cache, and I'm excited to give it a spin.
I would love to see 12900K with 6400 memory OC, to see how far you can push the RAM, and no OC for the CPU, and keep the E-cores ON.
All of us doesnt game all the time, we also want the CPU to be fast in other Windows applications.
There is the fix for the E-cores, manually set the Ring to 45+, with the CPU at default and a good 6400 ram profile it should be similar to the 5800X3D
I would love to see the 5800x3d with 4000mhz cl14 which is the peak performance point
@@Karagra421 Mine hit a fclk wall at 3733, but I bet only few games will benefit from memory tuning with that monster L3
@@HardwareNumb3rs there is already a few benchmarks showing different mhz it'd about 6-10fps more depending on the game going from 3600 to 4000mhz.. sadly they don't show the CL and judging by the ram they use I think those improvements are with CL16-18
Where are you m8? We miss your world of warcraft tests... 🙏
Hey, arent you working on a second, more detailed video about the 5800x3d? cant wait to see that.
Yes, many actually! Stay tuned
Thank you so much for this Benchmarks!
is this scam?
Great video as always. Would love to see the 12400 tested for wow too.
Thanks for testing. Might put off upgrade but am getting the itch during raid time to do it sooner rather than later.
great video - I'm playing in Dragonflight with x3D, 3080 at 1440P 170hz. my previous chip was the 5900X, the swap was worth it. In Valdrakken I got 110FPS on Ultra with the 5900X, with the x3D i gain 20-30FPS. though I just did a world boss and somehow the fps was not stable, though this could because it's Dragonflight and isn't as smooth as SL was.
Did you do something else to get that fps? I get terrible frames in valdraken with a 3080 and 5700x3d
@@HasteCS theres no 5700x3d do you mean 5700x?
@@zentar2646 nah meant 5800x3d
Thank you for your WoW Benchmarks. They helped a lot to choose between the 5900X or the 5800X3D because they cost the same here at the moment. After watching your benchmarks, I came to the following conclusion:
In most games, the 5900X and 5800X3D are equal. If you need more power in non gaming workloads, easily choose the 5900X. But in some games like WoW, the 5800X3D is the better CPU. Because I don't care about "non gaming workloads" and I play only WoW and Battlefield, I bought the 5800X3D.
i swapped from 5900X as the productivity workload performance vs the gains in games wasn't worth keeping the 5900X. Adobe runs just as good on the x3D as it did with the 5900X while in games I gained on avg 20FPS more and 1% lows also got bumped up so the x3D def was worth the swap
5800x3D is king of games.
Intel is left in the rearview mirror again
Hi.The perfomance of 5800x3d in battlegrounds and open world bosses vs 12600k in wow is?
Almost the same if the 12600K have a good memory tuning and a slightly CPU OC, will post more content with raid performance soon
I wonder how well is this chip on older X370
i might try this week
@@HardwareNumb3rs could be interesting if you daily drive it for a while and make a video about it
@@HardwareNumb3rs yeah many still have their crosshair vi running ;) I wonder if it will handle faster memory speed.
@@butifarras Will do for sure
@@jammetortiz808 My CH6 is very capable to run 3733 ram :)
Can you try benchmark in the new raid? Specificly Anduin - with so many minions...
Could you do this same for 1440p? I have r7 5800x paired with 3070 and was just wondering if its worth to upgrade to r7 5800x. I play only WoW.
Can you give better info on what "fully tuned" is? Zentimings screenshot, or something? Are you using 2 banks per channel for DDR4, or 1 bank per channel? True fully tuned would be 4 banks per channel with 1T and GD0.
Fully tuned is all the timings set on manual and in the configuration gives the best result for the plattform, I usually try everything and pick the best combo of settings
Just found this channel! I am playing wow as you do. Do you have 1440p comparsion?
13600k build with 7200 DDR5 vs Swapping my 5900x to a 5800x3d (3600 CL16)... Thoughts? WoW is the main thing I care about and just looking to get all frames I can in raid.
i need now benchmark 7800x3d vs 13700k in dragonflight
Man I wish you could run these with updated hardware. Great benchmarks, nobody else does WoW
Hey mate! Great short review! Thanks.
I currently sit on 5600x with 6700XT and DDR4. I play on 1440p Ultrawide.
I was wondering to get that CPU to improve my Dragonflight experience.
What are your thoughts?
Hey! It will be a nice boost, probably 40% or more, you will notice a big difference in BG such Ashran and similar, the very difficult areas never dips below 60fps, monster cpu
Could You make a video about RAM tuning? But make it for us, for people who never touch their ram, i think is very complicated so I need a video Where You explain everything with details.
Pls🙏
I have made a lot in the past and I will continue making, probably another soon
Hey Max thank you very much for this! Any chance you have tested this in raid/battleground scenario, does the performance improvements hold in those areas/content as well?
I did a gameplay for the 12900K video, the performance are very close to it, I will post more video about real gameplay for the 5800X3D
@@HardwareNumb3rs That will be great! Thanks!
He continues to do the lords work. bless you sir
great video !, Can you test Metro exodus on this CPU next ?
Have you tested this at 4k and dragonflight?
Awesome video mate, WoW has been my main game for years. Do you have any thoughts on how this will run with an GTX 1080 ti at 1080p (1440p at the end of the year)? I maybe getting one 5800x3d and focusing my resources for a next gen GPU upgrade. Cheers.
How was the power consumption on average for 12900k and 5800x3d with xmp profiles? Would love to know how efficient they are!
Nice question, I will try to get more data about it in a future video!
@@HardwareNumb3rs awesome! Excited to see.
Hey! 7800X3D looks better that 5800X3D for WoW so far?
Why are there only benchmarks on 1080p, not 1440p or 4k? :(
Because that cpu is so powerful that at 1440+ is limited by the 3090 KP 😁
I am just recently starting a new build since for a long time as I am getting back into PC gaming. I did a few weeks of research and decided on the 5800X3D. I know that the 7000X recently came out, but I don't want to pay the higher prices for the motherboards and DDR5 ram, where I can fing AM4 parts cheaper. I just scored a new 5800X3D today new for $299 shipped, now hunting for the remaining parts.
Mind sharing where you got yours? Cheapest I can find is $335 on Amazon.
@@scotty562 I got it from an eBay seller (Antonline), but I just checked and it's now back up to $379.
Nice content
Would love to see some 3090 icm 5800X3D test results.
İts 1080 p
What about in 1440p ,3440x1440p and 4k ?
Can you test it pls ty 👍
What is a good pc setup for dragonflight? Dont need a overkill just good performance for 1440p
New benchmarks soon! Stay tuned
Great performance! 58003dx is much easier/cheaper to cool than Intel and lower power consumption. The AM4 platform is mature and ram/mobo's are cheap. There is no further CPU upgrades on AM4 but people tend to keep their CPU for approximately 5 years. AMD have been true to their word on supporting the AM4 platform over years. Intel tend to keep for 2 generations and few people change their CPU to the next generation after purchase. People are likely GPU limited and I can't see these CPU's being the bottleneck on next gen GPU's either. I would purchase the AM4 platform if the price is right, which I think it is.
Not true. The Intel chips consume less power than AMD chips while gaming
@@chrisness Sure?, Igorlabs says AMD uses the half watts /frame than Gen12 intel.
So you are wrong.
@@chrisness 5800X3D is a lower clocked 5800X with better binned parts, & adds 64 MB L3 cache fused on, reducing need to fetch data from RAM in some apps. More power efficient than equivalent Intel (12900K) for gaming. 40-90 watts less total system power, according to testing.
What about at 1440p ? I've been really thinking should I finalise my last build of this gen with the 5800xd or go the Intel route for something different. I play mostly wow and Single player games .
Above 180-190 fps the 3090KP start to be the bottleneck at 1440p, so with a 12th 12600K or 12900K or 5800X3D you will be more than ok anyway, it seems we hit the maximum level of cpu power needed to run WoW
@@HardwareNumb3rs yah im on a 3600x at the moment so I can feel certain frame dips when the CPU in games get involved . Im running a 3080 suprim and 3600 corsair dominators.
Thanks for benchmarking WoW. No one does it these days!
Hmm, I would have hoped that the BCLK would go higher...I seem to vaguely recall that B550 boards tolerate BCLK OC better, if you can find one with a clock gen. The voltage lock could maybe be circumvented with an EVC2 if you are brave ;) Would be interesting to see this thing under your cascade cooler, if you can find a mobo that can push higher BLCK. There are some interesting consequences for benchmarks, I wonder how SuperPI would run.
Look at the Power Consumption, it uses 1/2 to 1/4 of the power. Yes, the 12900k was at front, but at what price and if you would have used pbo tuner, with a offset for example of -25 all core, it would have been most likely faster while only costing half as much and with half of the power draw
In my country 5800x3d and a good am4 board is cheeper then 12600k + cheepest z690 ddr4 board.
How does it compare to 5700x3d?
Hmm, going by the WoW benchmarks I think I can use that info for Guild Wars 2. That mmo is also very CPU bound despite it using DX11. It even beats my current cpu here, the 5950x.😊
Yes! I just upgraded from a 5600X to a 5800X3D today and GW2 was the third game I tested. I would drop to ~20 FPS doing metas and world bosses with the max quality graphics preset. I loaded in to Tequatl and my jaw dropped when my FPS was at 170 entering the area and 110 while fighting the boss in the middle of everyone!
@@Fenomenality I actually just bought the 5800X3D, waiting for it from Amazon. Now I will sell my 5950x🙂 Yeah that CPU is amazing in GW2, that's a huge jump you got with it
Z790 has will be released for intel 13th gen, and I bet some features will be exclusive for that chipset like intel has always done.
Look up on Wikipedia (Pentium Pro is a sixth-generation x86 microprocessor developed and manufactured by Intel and introduced on November 1, 1995.)
so the fps are very high in lower resolotion games! but what if u play wow in a resolution like 3440x1440? is the 5800x3d still good? or u just stick with a ryzen like 5600x and a the gpu depends then more for the higher fps?
Yes, in 1440p it starts to level over the 5800X, it make sense only for higher end GPUs
@@HardwareNumb3rs thx for the answer :)
@@d.r3852 my pleasure 👍
What cpu would you recommend best bang for buck for 1440p in a raid scenario
12600KF and DDR4 4000 Gear 1 for a new build or a 5800X3D if you have already an AM4 setup
@@HardwareNumb3rs do you feel upgrading from a Ryzen 5 2600 would see a decent improvement also running a 1080
Was going to build a new gen Intel but not sure if it's worthwhile only playing wow atm
@@andrewbaker2274 yes, the 1080 isn’t that old, in raid or bg you’ll have like double the fps or even more
@@HardwareNumb3rs so you don't recommend 5800x3d for a new build?
I wnt to get teh 7000x3d when it come out.
Make more tests plz from Island of Conquest (port fight), Ashran, and other Epic BGs please! Very want see this CPU tests with 3080,3080ti,3090
Is the 5700x3d is it still enough for raiding and doing high crowded pvps nowadays? I have a 5600g and a 7700xt and it has been very hard to have high fps on these scenarios. I do not know if I will get a good upgrade investing 200 euro on this cpu or even I better move to am5 on a 7600x or 9600x. Thank you.
so for WOW at 1440p 5800x3D or 7600x/7700x ??
Great review. I play in ultrawide så i guess cpu does not make a difference in my case? Ultrawide gpu more bottleneck
Hello good man. One question: do you think this cpu would be a good upgrade from a 3600X with a 5700XT gpu? For wow.
Thanks
just subscribed after watching this! wondering if I should go from the 5600x to x3d with dragonflight coming aoon. I play 1440p ultrawide so the GPU will def matter more for the upgrade but still nice to see. If you could do ultrawide benchmarks that would be nice.
You might get a good improvement in BG like Ashran or heavy Raid with lots of addons etc. I test 1080p because over this resolution it start bottlenecking, at least with this benchmark, but in raid or bg you will definitely see the difference even at 1440p wide
Is the 12900k overclocked in the best setting? What's the freq.?
If we take the Rx 5700xt, how much difference is between 5800x and 5800x3d?
Wish there was more games tested some might show bigger gains from ram oc
Gryphon run? You should have made raids environments.
I'd like to see 4k benchmarks
Would a Dark Rock 4 (non pro) be enough to cool the 5800x3D?
I wish you would have shown the 4k comparison 👌
At 4K the result would have been almost flat, since at that resolution and with those very powerful CPUs the GPU is a strong bottleneck, also in 1440p is bottlenecking
Curious if you have enough ram to make a RAM disk of wow and if it would affect performance any?
Actually a good nvme Gen 4 is better, for other purposes I use a ramdisk from a quad socket Hp server with 1TB DDR3 + 100GbE and is like similar to a gen3 nvme, a raid of 4x nvme Gen4 is much much more faster probably even of ddr5, I have one that does 30GB/s 🤯 but is hard to find a real use case to see benefits
Can you test it with a Vega 64?
YES
but how does it run mid raid?
Where's the video who proves the max fps?
Would it be a better option to go 5800x3d for the current price of $330 or a 12900k hand me down? I have a 3700x with ddr4 3000 memory currently struggling to get above 30-50fps in the new dragonflight towns.. The second option is a 12900k from a friend but I would need to buy a motherboard and a cpu cooler and possibly ram resulting in a much higher cost overall. My only concern is the slow ddr4 3000 on the 12900k. What do you think?
The slow RAM would be less of an issue on the 5800X3D. What did you end up going with?
@@lkz 5800x3d. Doubled my fps in valdrakken from 50-60avg to 100-110avg at the center city fountain.
@@piercetheheavens with the same sort of slow RAM?
@@lkz yup. Didn't change the ram.
@@piercetheheavens btw what GPU and resolution?
My 5800X3D is struggling with WoW. I am getting FPS as low as 15-35 in Raids right now. My CPU usage is always
So if I already have a 5800X this seems like a "free" 30ish FPS?
So.. a bit late, but now the question ? i5 13600k or 50800xd(or new AM5) Im running 10600k with 3070 and suffer massive drops (raid,(40-60) valdraken(40fps-70), Mplus(60-100) but some times feels wierd). Fresh install os and fresh install wow to. I just try to use basic WA and few addons. But let me know
What's the fastest possible setup to run WOW in 1440p, money not an issue or factor? CPU/GPU/Ram?
I will probably go for the 12900K or KS, DDR5 6400 C32 (tuned obviously), a Maximus Z690 and a 3080Ti or 3090
@@HardwareNumb3rs Thank you. Is the reason for that motherboard overclocking or is it so the motherboard won't bottleneck the CPU and GPU?
@@BrianShaw23 Mainly for the ram, right now to achieve 6400+ you need a very good motherboard, bioses are getting better but ram with 12th gen are very important, more than cpu oc
By the way, do you have anywhere comparison 5800x3d to 7600x ? which could be better for world warcraft ? PVE like raids and dungeons. Because i wanna build pc but no clue if on 7600x or 5800x3d?
hello, under € 350 what is the motherboard that barricades / limits less the (high) frequencies of the DDR5 RAM? With the highest maximum frequency limit of the RAM, which supports the highest possible frequency in OC pushed DDR5 (with top-of-the-range CPU and RAM working at higher frequencies than those generally supported by the Z690 mobos, which therefore in this case could represent a limit and block / run RAM and CPU at a lower frequency than the max they could reach, unless we are talking about Asus Apex or very expensive mobos), then mobo that does not impose a frequency limit on CPU and RAM and letting them work at their high frequencies. I foresee in the future to probably put an i7-13900K (keeping the same mobo) so the only thing I need is that it is a model of mobo that lets CPU and RAM work at very high frequencies without barricading and not limiting CPU and RAM to the limit frequency of the mobo. With high max frequency limit (the one indicated by the manufacturers in the data sheets), but above all true in a real scenario, because I see that in the data sheets some models have indicated 5333MHz, others 6000MHz, but some say that all mobos with 4 DIMM / slot RAM barricade / limit all to 6400MHz (frequency of ddr5, even if these and the CPU could theoretically work in OC even at a little more than 6400MHz), hoping that this is not true, I am looking for a mobo suitable for OC pushed RAM, the goal is to try to bring even more mature ddr5 banks that I will buy in the future (with 13900k having better IMC and SA) at the highest achievable frequency, perhaps between 6500 and 7000MHz.
Estou impressionado. Ele conseguiu ultrapassar o core i9-12900K? Wtf! 😮
Will from 5600x to 5800x3D upgrade worth it for World of Warcraft?
See my quesiton in this thread.
Any chance you could do 1440p and maybe 4K follow-up test ? Along with 3700x / 2700x / 5600x etc
I do have a cl14@3600 , can you please share your Cl14 (samsung b) timings for 5800x3d. It keeps crashing for me , my Cl16 tridentz (hynex) didnt have that many issues when i tightened it.
Oh yes... Let me get some popcorn 🍿
Edit: 5800x3d is not for new builds. If you are on 2-3gen Ryzen... I would upgrade just the CPU ( if you already have a decent gpu or planning to get one)
SkattereBencher Shows how to OC the 3D properly to 4.741 Ghz he has a short and long vid
I know, but he is using a Crosshair Extreme, he have Voltage Suspension that in my case is not available
the man himself
I'm experiencing really weird FPS with WoW. I'm having 3600MHZ 16GB ram, 12600K & RX 6750XT. In Orgrimmar I experience 45-65FPS average on high to ultra. This only goes up to 70FPS when I put everything low. Is there a reason why this happens
hmm thats weird. I have a 5600x and a 6700xt with 32gb 3200mhz and I'm getting higher fps, did you check in the settings to see if the max foreground fps is on unlimited?
@@617k3vingaming turned out I just had to remove and reinstall driver. Updating somehow didn't do it for me. Fixed. Doing good old 140 FPS now
This looks so difficult to get the hang of 😪
friend can you help me if I have to change CPU?
I used the 1060 with the ryxen 5 2600, I played almost everything high in 2k, I had overcome the fps at 75 hz, in Oribos it stopped at 45-50 fps... update graphics now I have the 3070 and the ryzen 52600... the truth It hasn't been the impact I thought... I capped the fps at 92 fps in Oribos, 70 FPS goes to me and if there are a lot of people it goes to 54 fps, in stressful areas like bastion and with a lot of people doing quests it goes to 54 - 59 fps .
Can you tell me what change to make?
greetings and thanks