FYI: This video is NOT sponsored-just my genuine take on the Tesla Powerwall 3 and its latest updates. I do sell the Powerwall 3, along with other batteries, to homeowners nationwide. If you’re interested in a quote for a Solar + Powerwall 3 system for your home, feel free to reach out: 📱 Call/Text: 813-391-2529 📅 Schedule a Call: www.solarprosteam.com/ 📨 Email: jack@solarprosteam.com
4 years with three Powerwalls v2 and Solar Roof v3, third install in Oregon. Has been running flawlessly ever since. Plan on doing it again with new home construction with an optimized south facing roof.
Love our PW3 fed by solar here in SW British Columbia Canada. My only wish so far would be the ability to recharge via generator in an extended outage without solar availability (snowstorm, winter wind storm etc)
The only thing that the PowerWall 3 needs now is the abillity to control the system without the app, some customers believe (especially those who want off grid deployments) that to be a requirement.
PW2 compatibility needs to happen, I don’t mind if they require some equipment replacing but I’m not going to replace my PW2s that are only a couple of years old but fine, as it makes no financial sense, but I could do with another battery.
It depends upon the homeowners project needs and goals. The aPower 2 offers generator connection and works better with Enphase Microinverters, but is more expensive and does not offer all the features which the Powerwall 3 now has.
Trying to find One company to supply new solar roofing ( either panels or rooftiles) matched with a whole house battery system. Is there such a company that can provide one system? We are not able go with Tesla, Who do you suggest?
I thought it was strange that the PW3 was so far behind Franklin WH. Having said that, Im still glad I’m having the Franklin WH installed in February. The PW3 bid was $18,000 for one battery. The Franklin bid is for one battery with 15 kWh, a better warranty, 3 350 W additional panels, and the ability to charge the battery with my gasoline powered generator if needed. It works well with my enphase micro inverters. This bid came under the PW3 bid.
Yeah, they are both very good batteries, but it is strange you were quoted more for a Powerwall 3 than a Franklin Battery. Franklin is a great battery and can be a better option if you see yourself connecting a generator or using Enphase microinverters.
In what way is the PW3 "so far behind"? I couldn't find a local installer to even give me a quote for a Franklin system and the national installers were wayyy more than the PW3.
@ contact Franklin directly. They will give you a local installer certified to install. If you want they will give you another name for a second bid. I settled on the fourth contractor.
I might participate in virtual program during summer months but not a regular bases. I would have 3 Powerwall 3 with 34 panels over utilizing mostly for blackout and emergency purposes. Would high utilization of batteries wear out battery over long long term?
This is an interesting video. I live in the Bay Area and get power from PG&E and have two solar systems, one string tied, one with micro inverters. If we could add batteries without losing our NEM2 rate I’d be in!
You can add batteries to your solar system without it changing your NEM status as long as you disable gird export. You cannot add more panels without moving to NEM 3.0 however
@@jackthesolarguyto my knowledge CALSSA says that separately controlled non-export PV generators may be added to existing NEM 2.0 systems without loss of NEM 2.0 status. PG&E, SCE and SDG&E have agreed to this but the application/approval process is not yet smooth and results have varied. For those who wish to add solar capacity it is worth pursuing. There are limits to system size - I believe the ratepayer must demonstrate their level of consumption to determine maximum total system size. Have you tried this after the decision was made last year? It is difficult by all accounts. Your reports are excellent - thank you.
I want to get a Powerwall 3, but Tesla inspected by roof and said the concrete tiles are too weak for the installation. I decided to get more estimates from other solar companies to see if they have a different opinion or do a pergola install. Not what I expected.
No, even with the AC-Coupling that is now available, Tesla has not made this battery like that of the Franklin Whole Home which can work well in conjunction with a number of other hardwares/brands
I have a friend that had two PW’s installed in the summer thinking he’d be able to scale over time, not knowing they were going to be phased out. Now he’s looking to add another one but can’t. What do you think he should do?
I am currently trying to find a quality installer in north Texas to install a solar system as well as a battery system. The issue I am having is that they either want you to install a powerwall 3 at twice the cost or an enphase system at three times the cost. I really don’t want either one of those. I wanted an EG4 system but have kind of just given up on it for now because no one can install them. I even called EG4 to find certified installers to no avail so far. I did speak to Tesla first and they came to my house just to inform me that they had just lost their drone system and that they would not do an install on an R panel roof. So they were out after day one of the journey to find a solar system. I am working with a couple of companies now but again they both really only want to install the powerwall 3 which again, I don’t want.
Most solar installers do not use EG4/Bluetti battery systems for grid-tied installations due to the lack of a UL 1741 listing or certification for grid connection.
@@jackthesolarguy EG4 has been UL 1741 and UL 9540 you are wrong. EG4 , Fortress, and Lux power are being installed more than the Telsa products. Tesla lacks innovation and is behind many others at this point EG4 beats them at cost and performance.
@@keithpvbatt2040 o can’t even get a call back from EG4. So If they won’t even call me to discuss buying a product I can imagine how bad their service responses might be.
I have one power wall 3 and 19 panels. I am still paying like 100-150 a month to SCE still. If i get a second power wall 3 would my electric bill go away. I can get a wall 3 for 35 a month more.
It's hard to say definitively without knowing more about your energy usage and local utility rates. However, the addition of a second Powerwall could potentially reduce your bill further. It's a good idea to consult with a professional to evaluate your specific situation.
30Kw is the peak output of Tesla3, Jack could you please clarify it or moreover do that battery has a self consumption mode or not and one last thing how meter collar is differ from backup gateway3 which is more convenient?
Yes, Tesla offers a self consumption mode and also Time-Based Control mode for homeowners in markets with peak rate schedules. Otherwise, the meter collar tracks energy use, while the Backup Gateway 3 manages power during outages and connects the Powerwall to your home, so you can't compare them apples to apples.
@@jackthesolarguy Thanks for replying. What about the peak output you haven’t confirm? Tesla with Enphase micro inverters I calculate their is a lot of production compromise not a healthy communication.
Can we fully drain Tesla3 because it is said if we drain them fully we would required push start by a technician to turn them on again. I want your insight on that that’s all from my side.
I have a PW3 and No Solar. I just read that the battery will only discharge to 5% or something, then go to standby mode and wait for solar generation to start the next morning. Is there a way to disable that to increase my backup time?
I would want it to be compatible to be able to use bidirectional charging powering with more than just Tesla vehicles. Others like ford lightning already have bidirectional charging but is it compatible with the Tesla system? I don’t know but I doubt it.
I currently have one PW3 and am considering an expansion pack. My main gripe with the PW3 is that it will charge at a maximum of 5kW. I have ~10kw of solar. So if I have greater than 5kW of excess solar, I have to export because the PW3 cannot accept all the excess energy. I do not have net metering available. Will the expansion pack allow me to charge my batteries at 10kW? This alone may push me into adding the additional battery pack.
No, the expansion pack for the Powerwall 3 will not increase the charge rate to 10 kW. The charge rate of a single Powerwall (including the expansion pack) is still limited by the power electronics inside the system.
@@ZDub77It sounds like that is the case. However another option would be to AC couple your panels with a separate 10 kW inverter. Maybe you can DC couple half of your panels and AC couple the other half with a 5 kW inverter.
This is where Tesla's "charge on solar" feature comes in handy. Other strategies like running the dishwasher, washing machine, dryer, and other applicances when you have an abundance of solar are good habits.
It would depend on which inverter system you have for your solar. As far as generator connection, Tesla has flexibility to do generator connection, it is just fairly limited.
You would likely have to remove all of the old hardware from the wall for your Powewall 2 system in order to replace it with Powerwall 3, though I would just recommend finding space nearby to install PWALL 3. It won’t effect your NEM 2.0 status as long as the battery is non-export
What additional hardware would be needed for bidirectional charging? I'm currently waiting for my installer to install 9.6kw solar, PW3, Gateway 3, and Universal wall charger? What else would be needed and are there specific communications required between the Universal wall charger and the Gateway? It's my understanding the Gateway 3V is only for Powershare installs without Powerwall.
The PowerShare Gateway is needed to generate the neutral ground since NACS/CCS1 doesn't provide it (it has a 1:1 transformer with a neutral tap). The Powerwall 3 should also be able to generate the neutral ground since it has to do so when providing power when the grid is down. So a Powerwall 3 should be sufficient by itself without needing a PowerShare Gateway.
@@jabbathespud this is the exact quote from Tesla on the PowerShare page. “If your home is equipped with Powerwall and home charging, you do not require any additional equipment. Powershare Home Backup functionality with Powerwall is expected to be available later in 2025 through an over-the-air update. All Powerwall models will be compatible with Powershare Home Backup in the future.” My question is more about the details of the Universal Wall charger installation. How does the wall charger communicate with the Gateway and Powerwall?
I assume the usual RS485 connection from the UWC to the PS GW would instead go to the leader PW3. I also assume/hope that this will work with a BackupSwitch.
Tesla Powerwall 3 has generator connection using a manual or automatic transfer switch, though it is not as robust as the generator connection capabilities which the Franklin Wh battery offers.
Meanwhile in Switzerland they only sell the powerwall 2… 😢 considering we need 8 units for around 108 kWh and ideally at least 20 kW combined power the 3rd gen looks much more appealing with the promise of three phase backup in Q1 2025. Maybe that’s all delayed now with their backlog…
A 3-phase version would definitely open up more possibilities for larger setups! Hopefully, Tesla or other companies will consider that option in the future.
I am very happy with my Powerwall 3, but I really wish there was more control in the App. Two things I really want: 1. With time based control, the ability to charge to a specific percentage only. I have a small solar installation and mainly use Powerwall for tariff timeshifting, but I would like to reserve some space for excess solar generation in the morning. At the moment it goes to waste because I do not have permission to export and doing so may anyway not be economically justified if the export tariff is less than the cheapest import tariff. 2. There should be the ability to manually set 'storm mode'. We are very prone to outages in high winds, and my judgement may be superior to whatever data source Tesla is using (or I may just want to be more cautious). Also during storm mode it should always try to keep the battery topped up to 100% whenever the grid is up, not just once at the beginning. I understand that there are third party apps that use an API to provide more features and will explore these when I have the time, but I think these two features are pretty basic and should be in the standard app.
I totally agree! More control in the Tesla app would be great such as being able to charge to a specific percentage would help with excess solar, and manually setting storm mode would give peace of mind during outages. It’s true that third-party apps offer more features, but these options seem like basic improvements that should be part of the default app. Hopefully, Tesla adds them in future updates!
Can anyone tell me how well the Tesla Powerwall's inverter is able to match with "harsh" loads when using the Tesla Powerwall in "grid-tie" mode? For instance, most electric ranges (not induction) will cycle on/off every second or so with a simply relay based on the user's power setting. This simple throttling is _harsh_ on the electric system since it can go to 0-watts power draw to 1500-watt or more power draw in essentially a square wave repeatedly every few seconds. So how well can the Tesla Powerwall's inverters match this very abrupt power cycling? If you use a power meter like Sense or Emporia, it can clearly show how well it can match because the draw from the grid should remain flat for 100% power match. Anything less and you will see bumps in the power draw from the grid. NOTE: most kitchen appliances such as toasters and microwaves also do this harsh cycling because the circuitry is simple using a simple power relay. Better appliances like induction ovens and microwaves with inverters have smoother power throttle.
The Tesla Powerwall’s inverter is generally good at handling the sudden fluctuating loads like those from electric ranges, toasters, or microwaves. It can smooth out brief power spikes and handle rapid cycling, however, extreme cycling or large, sudden changes may cause a brief mismatch, which might show as a minor bump in grid power draw. Devices like induction ovens are smoother, so the Powerwall will handle them better overall.
I have to say I am a fan of the channel & follow many Solar Channels. But Comparing a Power3 against a Power 1, 2 or Powerwall + is not a good comparison. Compare the battery against others in the market. I have been a Certified Powerwall Installer Since the Powerwall 1 & have installed thousands of Battery systems. Let get Honest though on the Powerwall 3 system. 11.5kW output-AC impressive jump from original but still only 5kW charging in DC. So, if you have a system that can produce anywhere near 11.5kW- AC you essentially should have 2 Batterers or else you are exporting up to 6.5 kW to the grid. If you're in California or other states with no Net Metering or Not Favorable Net Metering rules this is Just a poor design. Also let's talk Efficiency & Warranty two other paces the battery is Sub Par. Warranty from Powerwall 3 Spec Sheet (Solar to Battery to Home/Grid Efficiency 89%. How a DC Coupled system has such poor round-trip efficiency is baffling. Now warranty as advertise 10 years unlimited cycles and 70% capacity at year 10. But if you read the Detailed Warranty the Powerwall 3 only has a Maximum 37.8 MWh of aggregate throughput capacity or only 2800 Cycles. So, let's do some more math, a typical self-consumption or Time-Based control programming will typically have a backup reserve of 20% this means if you use 80% of the battery daily the battery would be through the 2800 full cycles meaning the battery would reach this max aggregate throughput capacity in just over 9 years. The number most people should be most concern with is the lifetime cost per kWh of the Battery. When you look at some of the specs of some of the most Batteries on the Market the numbers speak for them self. 4000, 6000, 8000 & 10,000 Cycles and warranties to match. Just look at the specs of 12 batteries listed below. Product Name Fortress Connection Type DC & AC Coupled Inverter Quantity 1 Battery Stacks 1 Battery Modules 3 Inverter Power kW AC 11.4 Inverter Power DC 11.4 kWh Capacity Advertised 14.7 kWh Usable 11.76 Back Up Power Amps 47.5 DOD 80% Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200 Round Trip Efficiency >92% 95% Warranty 25 Battery Cycle Warranty 8000 Intergrated Automation YES Product Name Powerwall 3 Connection Type DC & AC Coupled Inverter Quantity 1 Battery Stacks 1 Battery Modules 1 Inverter Power kW AC 11.5 Inverter Power DC 5 kWh Capacity Advertised 13.5 kWh Usable 13.5 Back Up Power Amps 47.91666667 DOD 100% Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200 Round Trip Efficiency >92% 89% Warranty 10 Battery Cycle Warranty 2800 Intergrated Automation NO Product Name FranklinWH Connection Type AC Coupled Inverter Quantity 1 Battery Stacks 1 Battery Modules 1 Inverter Power kW AC 10 Inverter Power DC 8 kWh Capacity Advertised 13.6 kWh Usable 13.6 Back Up Power Amps 41.66666667 DOD 100% Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200 Round Trip Efficiency >92% 89% Warranty 15 Battery Cycle Warranty 4,411 Intergrated Automation YES Product Name Q.Cell-Q.Home Connection Type DC & AC Coupled Inverter Quantity 1 Battery Stacks 1 Battery Modules 3 Inverter Power kW AC 7.6 Inverter Power DC 7.6 kWh Capacity Advertised 15 kWh Usable 13.5 Back Up Power Amps 31.66666667 DOD 90% Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200 Round Trip Efficiency >92% 93% Warranty 12 Battery Cycle Warranty 3000 Intergrated Automation NO Product Name EP.Cube Connection Type DC & AC Coupled Inverter Quantity 1 Battery Stacks 1 Battery Modules 4 Inverter Power kW AC 7.6 Inverter Power DC 7.6 kWh Capacity Advertised 13.3 kWh Usable 13.3 Back Up Power Amps 27 DOD 100% Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200 Round Trip Efficiency >92% 94% Warranty 10 Battery Cycle Warranty 6000 Intergrated Automation YES Product Name Point Guard Connection Type DC & AC Coupled Inverter Quantity 1 Battery Stacks 1 Battery Modules 2 Inverter Power kW AC 7.6 Inverter Power DC 8.7 kWh Capacity Advertised 16.12 kWh Usable 15.6 Back Up Power Amps 32 DOD 97% Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200 Round Trip Efficiency >92% 98% Warranty 10 Battery Cycle Warranty 3179.48 Intergrated Automation YES Product Name Discovery H2B2 Connection Type DC & AC Coupled Inverter Quantity 1 Battery Stacks 1 Battery Modules 2 Inverter Power kW AC 12 Inverter Power DC 12 kWh Capacity Advertised 14.6 kWh Usable 13.2 Back Up Power Amps 50 DOD 90% Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200 Round Trip Efficiency >92% 97% Warranty 10 Battery Cycle Warranty 4125 Intergrated Automation YES Product Name Savant Connection Type DC & AC Coupled Inverter Quantity 1 Battery Stacks 1 Battery Modules 8 Inverter Power kW AC 12.5 Inverter Power DC 12.5 kWh Capacity Advertised 20 kWh Usable Back Up Power Amps 52.08333333 DOD 100% Max Back Upload Sub Panel 100 Round Trip Efficiency >92% 93.80% Warranty 10 Battery Cycle Warranty 6,000 Intergrated Automation YES Product Name Panasonic Connection Type DC & AC Coupled Inverter Quantity 1 Battery Stacks 1 Battery Modules 3 Inverter Power kW AC 7.6 Inverter Power DC 7.6 kWh Capacity Advertised 15 kWh Usable 13.5 Back Up Power Amps 31.66666667 DOD 90% Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200 Round Trip Efficiency >92% 94% Warranty 12 Battery Cycle Warranty 6000 Intergrated Automation YES Product Name Sonnen Connection Type AC Coupled Inverter Quantity 1 Battery Stacks 1 Battery Modules 4 Inverter Power kW AC 4.8 Inverter Power DC 4.8 kWh Capacity Advertised 20 kWh Usable 20 Back Up Power Amps 20 DOD 100% Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200 Round Trip Efficiency >92% 85.80% Warranty 10 Battery Cycle Warranty 10,000 Intergrated Automation NO Product Name Enphase Connection Type AC Coupled Inverter Quantity 18 Battery Stacks 3 Battery Modules 3 Inverter Power kW AC 10.92 Inverter Power DC 10.92 kWh Capacity Advertised 15 kWh Usable Back Up Power Amps 45.5 DOD 100% Max Back Up Load Sub Panel 200 Round Trip Efficiency >92% 90% Warranty 15 Battery Cycle Warranty 6,000 Intergrated Automation YES Product Name SolarEdge Connection Type DC Coupled Inverter Quantity 1 Battery Stacks 2 Battery Modules 2 Inverter Power kW AC 11.4 Inverter Power DC 11.4 kWh Capacity Advertised 20 KWh Usable 19.4 Back Up Power Amps 31.66666667 DOD 100% Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200 Round Trip Efficiency >92% 94.50% Warranty 10 Battery Cycle Warranty 2689 Intergrated Automation YES app.gohighlevel.com/v2/preview/8tavVw8u2KZvPfhAfIeE?notrack=true Take care everyone from your local Solar-Evangelist
Yup, the point of this video was just to share updates on the Powerwall 3 as they have come. In the future I will be putting out a video comparing the major high voltage batteries head to head.
Unfortunately Tesla won’t stand behind their product, the warranty isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, when your expensive battery brick’s itself they turn around and claim lightening strike..
EG4 has been UL 1741 and UL 9540 you are wrong. EG4 , Fortress, and Lux power are being installed more than the Telsa products. Tesla lacks innovation and is behind many others at this point EG4 beats them at cost and performance.
Powerwall 3s are garbage. They randomly calibrate, in the middle of the day, costing you money. You cannot schedule calibration. They are the most terrible battery ever made for this reason alone.
FYI: This video is NOT sponsored-just my genuine take on the Tesla Powerwall 3 and its latest updates. I do sell the Powerwall 3, along with other batteries, to homeowners nationwide. If you’re interested in a quote for a Solar + Powerwall 3 system for your home, feel free to reach out:
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4 years with three Powerwalls v2 and Solar Roof v3, third install in Oregon. Has been running flawlessly ever since. Plan on doing it again with new home construction with an optimized south facing roof.
I Was Interested In This System Since I Live In Florida And World Need Back Up During Hurricane Season!
That would be helpful.
Great information, thanks.
By directional charging for model Y is a must have me
on the website the other day if you put in an expansion pack it adds on only $6,000 installed compared to one PW3 only
Love our PW3 fed by solar here in SW British Columbia Canada. My only wish so far would be the ability to recharge via generator in an extended outage without solar availability (snowstorm, winter wind storm etc)
The only thing that the PowerWall 3 needs now is the abillity to control the system without the app, some customers
believe (especially those who want off grid deployments) that to be a requirement.
PW2 compatibility needs to happen, I don’t mind if they require some equipment replacing but I’m not going to replace my PW2s that are only a couple of years old but fine, as it makes no financial sense, but I could do with another battery.
I am the energy consultant for a solar installation company and your information always help me out. Do you think so Apower2 is better than Powerwall3
It depends upon the homeowners project needs and goals. The aPower 2 offers generator connection and works better with Enphase Microinverters, but is more expensive and does not offer all the features which the Powerwall 3 now has.
Trying to find One company to supply new solar roofing ( either panels or rooftiles) matched with a whole house battery system. Is there such a company that can provide one system? We are not able go with Tesla, Who do you suggest?
I thought it was strange that the PW3 was so far behind Franklin WH. Having said that, Im still glad I’m having the Franklin WH installed in February. The PW3 bid was $18,000 for one battery. The Franklin bid is for one battery with 15 kWh, a better warranty, 3 350 W additional panels, and the ability to charge the battery with my gasoline powered generator if needed. It works well with my enphase micro inverters. This bid came under the PW3 bid.
Yeah, they are both very good batteries, but it is strange you were quoted more for a Powerwall 3 than a Franklin Battery. Franklin is a great battery and can be a better option if you see yourself connecting a generator or using Enphase microinverters.
@@jackthesolarguy I too want the ability to connect a gas generator is why I don’t want one
In what way is the PW3 "so far behind"? I couldn't find a local installer to even give me a quote for a Franklin system and the national installers were wayyy more than the PW3.
@ contact Franklin directly. They will give you a local installer certified to install. If you want they will give you another name for a second bid. I settled on the fourth contractor.
@@Skookman too late.... signed up for a PW3. The "Charge on solar" feature, bidirectional EV charger, and much lower price sealed the deal.
I might participate in virtual program during summer months but not a regular bases. I would have 3 Powerwall 3 with 34 panels over utilizing mostly for blackout and emergency purposes. Would high utilization of batteries wear out battery over long long term?
A downside to PW3 is that it's incompatible with PW2. So If you have PW2 and want to expand, you can't use PW3.
This is an interesting video. I live in the Bay Area and get power from PG&E and have two solar systems, one string tied, one with micro inverters.
If we could add batteries without losing our NEM2 rate I’d be in!
You can add batteries to your solar system without it changing your NEM status as long as you disable gird export. You cannot add more panels without moving to NEM 3.0 however
@@jackthesolarguyto my knowledge CALSSA says that separately controlled non-export PV generators may be added to existing NEM 2.0 systems without loss of NEM 2.0 status. PG&E, SCE and SDG&E have agreed to this but the application/approval process is not yet smooth and results have varied. For those who wish to add solar capacity it is worth pursuing.
There are limits to system size - I believe the ratepayer must demonstrate their level of consumption to determine maximum total system size.
Have you tried this after the decision was made last year? It is difficult by all accounts.
Your reports are excellent - thank you.
@@jackthesolarguy “disable grid export” does that mean no VPP?
When is the update coming to add a PW3 to existing PW2 installs
I want to get a Powerwall 3, but Tesla inspected by roof and said the concrete tiles are too weak for the installation. I decided to get more estimates from other solar companies to see if they have a different opinion or do a pergola install. Not what I expected.
I would caution against the solar tile roofs. They are very fragile, expensive, and not fully tested to last.
@ I wasn’t considering the solar tiles. I want solar panels to be installed on my concrete tile roof.
@@finned958 Oh, gotcha. Yes, that can be the case many times for concrete tile roofs.
Powerwall 3 is the best no doubt.
Nice to hear of new features.
Still no generator integration.
No, even with the AC-Coupling that is now available, Tesla has not made this battery like that of the Franklin Whole Home which can work well in conjunction with a number of other hardwares/brands
Want to be able to charge batteries during power Outage with generator
Would really be nice if Tesla would add generator charging to their batteries.
I have a friend that had two PW’s installed in the summer thinking he’d be able to scale over time, not knowing they were going to be phased out. Now he’s looking to add another one but can’t. What do you think he should do?
Did he have Powerwall 2's installed?
@ yes they were installed last June.
VPP - Yes, but it kind of depends on the rates offered : ) The concept is GREAT though.
Yes, exactly. It would likely only make sense if the VPP program is generous with rates.
The only thing I don't like about my Powerwall 3 is the fact it isn't three Powerwall 3's. That and the logo, I need to cover that up.
I am currently trying to find a quality installer in north Texas to install a solar system as well as a battery system. The issue I am having is that they either want you to install a powerwall 3 at twice the cost or an enphase system at three times the cost. I really don’t want either one of those. I wanted an EG4 system but have kind of just given up on it for now because no one can install them. I even called EG4 to find certified installers to no avail so far. I did speak to Tesla first and they came to my house just to inform me that they had just lost their drone system and that they would not do an install on an R panel roof. So they were out after day one of the journey to find a solar system. I am working with a couple of companies now but again they both really only want to install the powerwall 3 which again, I don’t want.
Most solar installers do not use EG4/Bluetti battery systems for grid-tied installations due to the lack of a UL 1741 listing or certification for grid connection.
@@jackthesolarguy Good to know! thanks. I will start looking for a new battery system then.
@@darrelldoty7757if you use the new EG4 grid boss (gateway) & flex boss 21k (inverter) you can connect to the grid because it is UL listed
@@jackthesolarguy EG4 has been UL 1741 and UL 9540 you are wrong. EG4 , Fortress, and Lux power are being installed more than the Telsa products. Tesla lacks innovation and is behind many others at this point EG4 beats them at cost and performance.
@@keithpvbatt2040 o can’t even get a call back from EG4. So If they won’t even call me to discuss buying a product I can imagine how bad their service responses might be.
I have one power wall 3 and 19 panels. I am still paying like 100-150 a month to SCE still. If i get a second power wall 3 would my electric bill go away. I can get a wall 3 for 35 a month more.
It's hard to say definitively without knowing more about your energy usage and local utility rates. However, the addition of a second Powerwall could potentially reduce your bill further. It's a good idea to consult with a professional to evaluate your specific situation.
30Kw is the peak output of Tesla3, Jack could you please clarify it or moreover do that battery has a self consumption mode or not and one last thing how meter collar is differ from backup gateway3 which is more convenient?
@jack?
Yes, Tesla offers a self consumption mode and also Time-Based Control mode for homeowners in markets with peak rate schedules. Otherwise, the meter collar tracks energy use, while the Backup Gateway 3 manages power during outages and connects the Powerwall to your home, so you can't compare them apples to apples.
@@jackthesolarguy Thanks for replying. What about the peak output you haven’t confirm? Tesla with Enphase micro inverters I calculate their is a lot of production compromise not a healthy communication.
Can we fully drain Tesla3 because it is said if we drain them fully we would required push start by a technician to turn them on again. I want your insight on that that’s all from my side.
So if the PW3 is installer friendly why hasn’t the price decreased??
I have a PW3 and No Solar. I just read that the battery will only discharge to 5% or something, then go to standby mode and wait for solar generation to start the next morning. Is there a way to disable that to increase my backup time?
No, afraid not
I would want it to be compatible to be able to use bidirectional charging powering with more than just Tesla vehicles. Others like ford lightning already have bidirectional charging but is it compatible with the Tesla system? I don’t know but I doubt it.
I currently have one PW3 and am considering an expansion pack. My main gripe with the PW3 is that it will charge at a maximum of 5kW. I have ~10kw of solar. So if I have greater than 5kW of excess solar, I have to export because the PW3 cannot accept all the excess energy. I do not have net metering available. Will the expansion pack allow me to charge my batteries at 10kW? This alone may push me into adding the additional battery pack.
No, the expansion pack for the Powerwall 3 will not increase the charge rate to 10 kW. The charge rate of a single Powerwall (including the expansion pack) is still limited by the power electronics inside the system.
@@jackthesolarguyThanks for the reply. So to get the increased charge rate it I would have to install another PW3, not the expansion pack?
@@ZDub77It sounds like that is the case. However another option would be to AC couple your panels with a separate 10 kW inverter. Maybe you can DC couple half of your panels and AC couple the other half with a 5 kW inverter.
This is where Tesla's "charge on solar" feature comes in handy. Other strategies like running the dishwasher, washing machine, dryer, and other applicances when you have an abundance of solar are good habits.
It will charge at 8kw if you have an expansion pack
I have solar and a whole home natural gas backup generator will the PW3 work with both the solar and generator?
It would depend on which inverter system you have for your solar. As far as generator connection, Tesla has flexibility to do generator connection, it is just fairly limited.
What is required to replace a PW2 with a PW3? And does such a change effect the status of NEM 2 in Calif.
You would likely have to remove all of the old hardware from the wall for your Powewall 2 system in order to replace it with Powerwall 3, though I would just recommend finding space nearby to install PWALL 3. It won’t effect your NEM 2.0 status as long as the battery is non-export
@@jackthesolarguy thanks. Not sure I want to give up my NEM 2.0 status and the pay from the Tesla Virtual Powerplant program.
What additional hardware would be needed for bidirectional charging? I'm currently waiting for my installer to install 9.6kw solar, PW3, Gateway 3, and Universal wall charger? What else would be needed and are there specific communications required between the Universal wall charger and the Gateway? It's my understanding the Gateway 3V is only for Powershare installs without Powerwall.
You would need the Powershare Gateway and the Universal Wall Connector.
@@jackthesolarguy Can you provide any sort of link that shows this? I can't find anything to show my installer.
The PowerShare Gateway is needed to generate the neutral ground since NACS/CCS1 doesn't provide it (it has a 1:1 transformer with a neutral tap). The Powerwall 3 should also be able to generate the neutral ground since it has to do so when providing power when the grid is down. So a Powerwall 3 should be sufficient by itself without needing a PowerShare Gateway.
@@jabbathespud this is the exact quote from Tesla on the PowerShare page. “If your home is equipped with Powerwall and home charging, you do not require any additional equipment. Powershare Home Backup functionality with Powerwall is expected to be available later in 2025 through an over-the-air update. All Powerwall models will be compatible with Powershare Home Backup in the future.” My question is more about the details of the Universal Wall charger installation. How does the wall charger communicate with the Gateway and Powerwall?
I assume the usual RS485 connection from the UWC to the PS GW would instead go to the leader PW3. I also assume/hope that this will work with a BackupSwitch.
I have standby generator so how would it work together
Tesla Powerwall 3 has generator connection using a manual or automatic transfer switch, though it is not as robust as the generator connection capabilities which the Franklin Wh battery offers.
Meanwhile in Switzerland they only sell the powerwall 2… 😢 considering we need 8 units for around 108 kWh and ideally at least 20 kW combined power the 3rd gen looks much more appealing with the promise of three phase backup in Q1 2025. Maybe that’s all delayed now with their backlog…
Too bad! I'm sure they will eventually make there way over there
Isn’t deepseek r1 based on qwen and llama? Which means they still needed facebooks foundational model?
This video never mentioned Deepseek?
Why is TENNESSEE not in your list for service?
We don't have installation experience in that market, nor much demand from Tennessee.
@ Unfortunate. Thanks for the reply.
Any suggestion for TN homeowner interested in Tesla solar + PW3?
I’d be more interested if they released a 3 phase version.
IIRC the PowerPack could be connected to 3-phase.
A 3-phase version would definitely open up more possibilities for larger setups! Hopefully, Tesla or other companies will consider that option in the future.
I am very happy with my Powerwall 3, but I really wish there was more control in the App. Two things I really want:
1. With time based control, the ability to charge to a specific percentage only. I have a small solar installation and mainly use Powerwall for tariff timeshifting, but I would like to reserve some space for excess solar generation in the morning. At the moment it goes to waste because I do not have permission to export and doing so may anyway not be economically justified if the export tariff is less than the cheapest import tariff.
2. There should be the ability to manually set 'storm mode'. We are very prone to outages in high winds, and my judgement may be superior to whatever data source Tesla is using (or I may just want to be more cautious). Also during storm mode it should always try to keep the battery topped up to 100% whenever the grid is up, not just once at the beginning.
I understand that there are third party apps that use an API to provide more features and will explore these when I have the time, but I think these two features are pretty basic and should be in the standard app.
I totally agree! More control in the Tesla app would be great such as being able to charge to a specific percentage would help with excess solar, and manually setting storm mode would give peace of mind during outages. It’s true that third-party apps offer more features, but these options seem like basic improvements that should be part of the default app. Hopefully, Tesla adds them in future updates!
Can anyone tell me how well the Tesla Powerwall's inverter is able to match with "harsh" loads when using the Tesla Powerwall in "grid-tie" mode?
For instance, most electric ranges (not induction) will cycle on/off every second or so with a simply relay based on the user's power setting. This simple throttling is _harsh_ on the electric system since it can go to 0-watts power draw to 1500-watt or more power draw in essentially a square wave repeatedly every few seconds. So how well can the Tesla Powerwall's inverters match this very abrupt power cycling?
If you use a power meter like Sense or Emporia, it can clearly show how well it can match because the draw from the grid should remain flat for 100% power match. Anything less and you will see bumps in the power draw from the grid.
NOTE: most kitchen appliances such as toasters and microwaves also do this harsh cycling because the circuitry is simple using a simple power relay. Better appliances like induction ovens and microwaves with inverters have smoother power throttle.
The Tesla Powerwall’s inverter is generally good at handling the sudden fluctuating loads like those from electric ranges, toasters, or microwaves. It can smooth out brief power spikes and handle rapid cycling, however, extreme cycling or large, sudden changes may cause a brief mismatch, which might show as a minor bump in grid power draw. Devices like induction ovens are smoother, so the Powerwall will handle them better overall.
I have to say I am a fan of the channel & follow many Solar Channels. But Comparing a Power3 against a Power 1, 2 or Powerwall + is not a good comparison. Compare the battery against others in the market.
I have been a Certified Powerwall Installer Since the Powerwall 1 & have installed thousands of Battery systems.
Let get Honest though on the Powerwall 3 system. 11.5kW output-AC impressive jump from original but still only 5kW charging in DC. So, if you have a system that can produce anywhere near 11.5kW- AC you essentially should have 2 Batterers or else you are exporting up to 6.5 kW to the grid.
If you're in California or other states with no Net Metering or Not Favorable Net Metering rules this is Just a poor design. Also let's talk Efficiency & Warranty two other paces the battery is Sub Par. Warranty from Powerwall 3 Spec Sheet (Solar to Battery to Home/Grid Efficiency 89%. How a DC Coupled system has such poor round-trip efficiency is baffling.
Now warranty as advertise 10 years unlimited cycles and 70% capacity at year 10.
But if you read the Detailed Warranty the Powerwall 3 only has a Maximum 37.8 MWh of aggregate throughput capacity or only 2800 Cycles. So, let's do some more math, a typical self-consumption or Time-Based control programming will typically have a backup reserve of 20% this means if you use 80% of the battery daily the battery would be through the 2800 full cycles meaning the battery would reach this max aggregate throughput capacity in just over 9 years.
The number most people should be most concern with is the lifetime cost per kWh of the Battery.
When you look at some of the specs of some of the most Batteries on the Market the numbers speak for them self. 4000, 6000, 8000 & 10,000 Cycles and warranties to match. Just look at the specs of 12 batteries listed below.
Product Name Fortress
Connection Type DC & AC Coupled
Inverter Quantity 1
Battery Stacks 1
Battery Modules 3
Inverter Power kW AC 11.4
Inverter Power DC 11.4
kWh Capacity Advertised 14.7
kWh Usable 11.76
Back Up Power Amps 47.5
DOD 80%
Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200
Round Trip Efficiency >92% 95%
Warranty 25
Battery Cycle Warranty 8000
Intergrated Automation YES
Product Name Powerwall 3
Connection Type DC & AC Coupled
Inverter Quantity 1
Battery Stacks 1
Battery Modules 1
Inverter Power kW AC 11.5
Inverter Power DC 5
kWh Capacity Advertised 13.5
kWh Usable 13.5
Back Up Power Amps 47.91666667
DOD 100%
Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200
Round Trip Efficiency >92% 89%
Warranty 10
Battery Cycle Warranty 2800
Intergrated Automation NO
Product Name FranklinWH
Connection Type AC Coupled
Inverter Quantity 1
Battery Stacks 1
Battery Modules 1
Inverter Power kW AC 10
Inverter Power DC 8
kWh Capacity Advertised 13.6
kWh Usable 13.6
Back Up Power Amps 41.66666667
DOD 100%
Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200
Round Trip Efficiency >92% 89%
Warranty 15
Battery Cycle Warranty 4,411
Intergrated Automation YES
Product Name Q.Cell-Q.Home
Connection Type DC & AC Coupled
Inverter Quantity 1
Battery Stacks 1
Battery Modules 3
Inverter Power kW AC 7.6
Inverter Power DC 7.6
kWh Capacity Advertised 15
kWh Usable 13.5
Back Up Power Amps 31.66666667
DOD 90%
Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200
Round Trip Efficiency >92% 93%
Warranty 12
Battery Cycle Warranty 3000
Intergrated Automation NO
Product Name EP.Cube
Connection Type DC & AC Coupled
Inverter Quantity 1
Battery Stacks 1
Battery Modules 4
Inverter Power kW AC 7.6
Inverter Power DC 7.6
kWh Capacity Advertised 13.3
kWh Usable 13.3
Back Up Power Amps 27
DOD 100%
Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200
Round Trip Efficiency >92% 94%
Warranty 10
Battery Cycle Warranty 6000
Intergrated Automation YES
Product Name Point Guard
Connection Type DC & AC Coupled
Inverter Quantity 1
Battery Stacks 1
Battery Modules 2
Inverter Power kW AC 7.6
Inverter Power DC 8.7
kWh Capacity Advertised 16.12
kWh Usable 15.6
Back Up Power Amps 32
DOD 97%
Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200
Round Trip Efficiency >92% 98%
Warranty 10
Battery Cycle Warranty 3179.48
Intergrated Automation YES
Product Name Discovery H2B2
Connection Type DC & AC Coupled
Inverter Quantity 1
Battery Stacks 1
Battery Modules 2
Inverter Power kW AC 12
Inverter Power DC 12
kWh Capacity Advertised 14.6
kWh Usable 13.2
Back Up Power Amps 50
DOD 90%
Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200
Round Trip Efficiency >92% 97%
Warranty 10
Battery Cycle Warranty 4125
Intergrated Automation YES
Product Name Savant
Connection Type DC & AC Coupled
Inverter Quantity 1
Battery Stacks 1
Battery Modules 8
Inverter Power kW AC 12.5
Inverter Power DC 12.5
kWh Capacity Advertised 20
kWh Usable
Back Up Power Amps 52.08333333
DOD 100%
Max Back Upload Sub Panel 100
Round Trip Efficiency >92% 93.80%
Warranty 10
Battery Cycle Warranty 6,000
Intergrated Automation YES
Product Name Panasonic
Connection Type DC & AC Coupled
Inverter Quantity 1
Battery Stacks 1
Battery Modules 3
Inverter Power kW AC 7.6
Inverter Power DC 7.6
kWh Capacity Advertised 15
kWh Usable 13.5
Back Up Power Amps 31.66666667
DOD 90%
Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200
Round Trip Efficiency >92% 94%
Warranty 12
Battery Cycle Warranty 6000
Intergrated Automation YES
Product Name Sonnen
Connection Type AC Coupled
Inverter Quantity 1
Battery Stacks 1
Battery Modules 4
Inverter Power kW AC 4.8
Inverter Power DC 4.8
kWh Capacity Advertised 20
kWh Usable 20
Back Up Power Amps 20
DOD 100%
Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200
Round Trip Efficiency >92% 85.80%
Warranty 10
Battery Cycle Warranty 10,000
Intergrated Automation NO
Product Name Enphase
Connection Type AC Coupled
Inverter Quantity 18
Battery Stacks 3
Battery Modules 3
Inverter Power kW AC 10.92
Inverter Power DC 10.92
kWh Capacity Advertised 15
kWh Usable
Back Up Power Amps 45.5
DOD 100%
Max Back Up Load Sub Panel 200
Round Trip Efficiency >92% 90%
Warranty 15
Battery Cycle Warranty 6,000
Intergrated Automation YES
Product Name SolarEdge
Connection Type DC Coupled
Inverter Quantity 1
Battery Stacks 2
Battery Modules 2
Inverter Power kW AC 11.4
Inverter Power DC 11.4
kWh Capacity Advertised 20
KWh Usable 19.4
Back Up Power Amps 31.66666667
DOD 100%
Max Back Upload Sub Panel 200
Round Trip Efficiency >92% 94.50%
Warranty 10
Battery Cycle Warranty 2689
Intergrated Automation YES
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Yup, the point of this video was just to share updates on the Powerwall 3 as they have come. In the future I will be putting out a video comparing the major high voltage batteries head to head.
Unfortunately Tesla won’t stand behind their product, the warranty isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, when your expensive battery brick’s itself they turn around and claim lightening strike..
EG4 has been UL 1741 and UL 9540 you are wrong. EG4 , Fortress, and Lux power are being installed more than the Telsa products. Tesla lacks innovation and is behind many others at this point EG4 beats them at cost and performance.
For me 11.5KW not enugh
Do you have multiple 3.5+ ton AC's?
Let me guess, it starts shouting Zeig Heil every hour on the hour?
Nice one TeSSla
Yawn. These are all features SunPower has had for years. And these features all still work.
Are you referring to the SunPower Sunvault battery? I am pretty sure they do not have many of these features.
@ Ours can do partial home backup, it’s LFP, it’s programmable, and it’s extensible if you want to add another battery.
Can you plug a Cyber truck into that battery and get nine power walls extra of capacity?
Does the T symbol change to a Swastika? Does it emit Zyklon B? Is it available to Non Aryans? Is the start up chime now Wagnerian?
Powerwall 3s are garbage. They randomly calibrate, in the middle of the day, costing you money. You cannot schedule calibration. They are the most terrible battery ever made for this reason alone.
Your opinion is worthless. No data backing up your slander.
@@CUBuffnSD Literally google "powerwall 3 calibration" and see the hundreds of results of people complaining about it.
Did you ask the contractor?