Use a question in the title, and then not answer it? Thanks ABC. Here are some other questions: how much revenue is generated by men's sports compared to women's sports? You know, the revenue from which salaries are paid. You conveniently left this out when describing the differences in prize money allocation between men's and women's sports. How much is earned in advertising revenue, ticket sales/attendance, merchandise, licensing, etc by men's and women's sports, respectively? The biggest question in all of this is: if equality is not the same as fairness, which value ought to prevail? The bias in the video is clearly in favour of paying female athletes disproportionately more than the revenue that they generate. Actually, I believe that as a percentage of respective revenue, female athletes are already paid more than male athletes. But that doesn't fit the ABC's agenda here. Fairness is a dirty word when what people are asking for is that men's sport subsidise women's sport. There's another word for that: charity. And it should come with, oh, I don't know, gratitude?
I love the ABC but the bias is unnecessary here it's pieces like this that hurt it's brand Instead of pushing an agenda, they could have been honest and it could've been a great Economics lesson for students about how sporting organisations are big business and that Revenue - Costs = Profit and that the women's leagues simply don't generate enough to be viable to pay their players more. Honest reporting would then inspire people to go out and actually support women's sports if they truly believe in equal pay. Even the reference to the female athletes being semi-professional and having part time jobs - well the VFL/AFL and NSWRL/ARL/NRL was non-professional for over 100 years! It takes time. To push a myth of sports sexism is just not constructive and quite divisive honestly.
@Michelle_Emm not sure if you are joking but if you are serious let me explain simple maths , the mens World Cup brings in 6 billion dollars the women’s brings in 130 million, if you are a advertising company would you pay the same to advertise for a woman’s game that not many people watch compared to the men, also of the prize pool the women get 20% the men get 7% where is the equality there? another example would be Ronda rousey she was at one point the biggest star in the UFC and she got paid more than anyone else there was no equal pay BS she brought in more money than anyone else so she got paid more than anyone else
@Michelle_Emm That's not how economics works. A teacher at a public high school does the same job as a teacher at a private school, one gets paid more. Why? Cos private school fees (more money) An actor in an Australian movie does the same job as an actor in a Hollywood movie, one gets paid more. Why? Cos Hollywood films earn more money. A female soccer player and a male soccer player do the same job, one gets paid more. Why? Cos the men's leagues get more fans/sponsors and therefore money. The fact this 'educational' video couldn't explain a very simple economic reality shows really poor form by the ABC
@Michelle_Emm "you're talking about two teachers playing on two seperate playing fields, of course they will be different" - no I'm not. I'm talking about 2 teachers who teach the same curriculum, the same aged students and work the same hours. But one gets paid more. Because they work at a private school that generates additional income to pay their staff more. Hows that any different to the soccer situation? "I bet you'd have a different story if it were the men being paid less" - thats not really an argument as the pay is determined by the economic reality. Most female models make more than male models, is that sexist to male models? Or just the economic reality? It's also more complicated, as men will sacrifice a lot more for more pay than women will. For example, a study in 2018 found male uber drivers earn 7% more than women. (source: LA Times: Study of Uber drivers finds men earn more than women - for three key reasons) What?? Uber sexism costs women that thousands a year? Nope, turns out men just push the boundaries harder and hustle more for a dime. The data showed male drivers often went over the speed limit and road rules to do it, compared to female drivers. Men are also willing to commute further and give up more to earn more pay than women will. It's a deeply rooted, evolutionary instinct that many women actually do want in a man - the drive to provide.
@Michelle_Emm You didn't answer my question. Take two; 2 teachers who teach the same curriculum, the same aged students and work the same hours. But one gets paid more. Because they work at a private school that generates additional income to pay their staff more. How's that any different to the soccer situation? Also ignored my female/male model comparison too Also, based on your next response, you don't even like sport, yet feel you understand enough to contribute to this discussion? I like the confidence, but you're trying too hard.
I think there’s a fairly significant piece of data is missing from this report that is conveniently being left out. Are the women’s team bringing in the same amount of revenue as the men’s team? Because isn’t salary and prizes relative to the amount of money that’s being brought in? The money isn’t going to just magically appear it has to come from somewhere and for the men’s division that money comes from ticket sales, merchandising, and media deals. You can really have equality if the amount of revenue being brought in isn’t equal. This report does a fine job avoiding how much money women’s soccer brings in by using phrases like “world record attention” but that’s world records attention in women’s sports not sports in general. The average male division game still gets more views and audience engagement then the women’s division so it doesn’t matter if it’s a world record for women’s sports it’s still not on par with the men’s division. You can’t have equality if the revenue being brought in isn’t the same. This isn’t genre discrimination or a gender pay gap. It’s just basic economics.
If it generates the same revenue, women should obviously get the same pay. The reason men’s teams get paid more is usually because they bring in far more revenue.
This didn't touch on anything relevant, it just spouted opinions not facts. Should women athletes get paid more? Yes. But to achieve that, women's sports need to become more lucrative, they need more bums in seats years round (not just when they're performing well) and they need more consistent viewership to make broadcasting deals more attractive. At this point in time, women's sports are simply underperforming; generating far less revenue then their male counter parts. If they want more money, they need to ro bring more money in. It's just that simple. Sports isn't a socialist system. Not everyone is entitled to an equal portion of the pot, especially if they're failing the generate their fair share of the cash flow.
Would be good to have data to support any of the arguments here. But the minute you do that, well it gets awkward... The average AFLW crowd last season was 2571. The average AFL crowd was around 36,000. (source: Footy industry) The money paid to the employees (players) should be related to revenue they generated. How can you possibly argue equal pay here? Women's soccer had a great moment, but the same differences apply for the A league and W leagues. FIFA allocating prize money also reflects directly from the interest generated through tv rights and sponsorship. They are running a business after all. The American women's soccer team suing was very ironic since they actually made more money than the men during the covid years for doing nothing. That's because they agreed to a completely different contract from the men, who negotiated a 'pay to play' contract, which was more risk, but greater reward. During covid, with no games, the risk failed. Meanwhile the women negotiated a lesser money deal to play, but with regular payments regardless of playing or not. When it came time for the world cup, they realised their mistake and attempted to bail on their contract. Ironically, getting booted early in the World Cup now means the women earned less than they would have under the old contract. Confusing right? None of that context here though...
Because it took years for men to create these soccer leagues. If you want more money, start from scratch and make your own league. Everything is gimme, gimme, gimme. stop asking for hand downs, and go do it yourself.
They make a decent salary, kerr is earning well over $1M a year and has a steady sports commentator job at the end. Guarantee a mimimum for the rest so they can live comfortably. But until they can push merchandise, they aren't valuable enough for the salaries they are expecting. How many olympians do we have that are working multiple jobs and have no future after their sport. Most of them. It's the same for actors... unless you make it big, you have union benefits, and that's it.
@@Sagealeena This was pushed by girls and women. They did it because they were women, not because the product is a high standard. Before the world cup most didnt know who majority of the team were.
@Michelle_Emmlmao what a stupid argument. If I’m doing the same job but I draw more eyes and money then yes I deserve more pay. Why do women struggle with basic supply and demand principles?
@Michelle_Emm If we were both in an industry that makes its money from advertising and merchandise and you had more viewers than me, I would 100% expect you to be paid more.
One could argue the title is a rhetorical question. It's an 'ugly' truth, but people in general are much more interested in the highest level of athletics. It's human nature. Edit: the NBA and WNBA are the best example.
Maybe you should tell women to start watching and buying womens sports services rather than throwing all their time and money to taylor swift, kim kardashians, and whatever crap they watch while they complain about gender pay gap. I will never in my life buy a wnba or womens soccer apparel because im busy buying my favourite mens sports gear.
Because during the tax payer paid federal government review into the NSL, (National Soccer League) which was collapsing under millions in debt in 2003, the FFA (Football Federation Australia) was created to make soccer viable in Australia. In that review, the 'Football not soccer' crowd got their way and many government agencies, including the ABC, started calling it 'Football' confusing millions of Australians who for over a century called our great indigenous game of Australian Rules Football that. It's really a disgrace that a foreign sport got the 'naming rights' over our own game, and that the government supported it.
Use a question in the title, and then not answer it? Thanks ABC.
Here are some other questions: how much revenue is generated by men's sports compared to women's sports? You know, the revenue from which salaries are paid. You conveniently left this out when describing the differences in prize money allocation between men's and women's sports. How much is earned in advertising revenue, ticket sales/attendance, merchandise, licensing, etc by men's and women's sports, respectively?
The biggest question in all of this is: if equality is not the same as fairness, which value ought to prevail? The bias in the video is clearly in favour of paying female athletes disproportionately more than the revenue that they generate. Actually, I believe that as a percentage of respective revenue, female athletes are already paid more than male athletes. But that doesn't fit the ABC's agenda here.
Fairness is a dirty word when what people are asking for is that men's sport subsidise women's sport. There's another word for that: charity. And it should come with, oh, I don't know, gratitude?
I love the ABC but the bias is unnecessary here it's pieces like this that hurt it's brand
Instead of pushing an agenda, they could have been honest and it could've been a great Economics lesson for students about how sporting organisations are big business and that Revenue - Costs = Profit and that the women's leagues simply don't generate enough to be viable to pay their players more.
Honest reporting would then inspire people to go out and actually support women's sports if they truly believe in equal pay.
Even the reference to the female athletes being semi-professional and having part time jobs - well the VFL/AFL and NSWRL/ARL/NRL was non-professional for over 100 years! It takes time. To push a myth of sports sexism is just not constructive and quite divisive honestly.
typical ABC left wing agenda again... i would rather paint the house than watch AFLW ... and they want equal pay.. give me a break... its rubbish
Dishonesty is part and parcel of the modern left because their ideology goes against reality.
The problem is other than the World Cup nobody watches women’s sports including women, you can’t tell people what entertains them
@Michelle_Emm not sure if you are joking but if you are serious let me explain simple maths , the mens World Cup brings in 6 billion dollars the women’s brings in 130 million, if you are a advertising company would you pay the same to advertise for a woman’s game that not many people watch compared to the men, also of the prize pool the women get 20% the men get 7% where is the equality there? another example would be Ronda rousey she was at one point the biggest star in the UFC and she got paid more than anyone else there was no equal pay BS she brought in more money than anyone else so she got paid more than anyone else
@Michelle_Emm That's not how economics works.
A teacher at a public high school does the same job as a teacher at a private school, one gets paid more. Why? Cos private school fees (more money)
An actor in an Australian movie does the same job as an actor in a Hollywood movie, one gets paid more. Why? Cos Hollywood films earn more money.
A female soccer player and a male soccer player do the same job, one gets paid more. Why? Cos the men's leagues get more fans/sponsors and therefore money.
The fact this 'educational' video couldn't explain a very simple economic reality shows really poor form by the ABC
@Michelle_Emm "you're talking about two teachers playing on two seperate playing fields, of course they will be different" - no I'm not.
I'm talking about 2 teachers who teach the same curriculum, the same aged students and work the same hours. But one gets paid more. Because they work at a private school that generates additional income to pay their staff more.
Hows that any different to the soccer situation?
"I bet you'd have a different story if it were the men being paid less" - thats not really an argument as the pay is determined by the economic reality.
Most female models make more than male models, is that sexist to male models? Or just the economic reality?
It's also more complicated, as men will sacrifice a lot more for more pay than women will.
For example, a study in 2018 found male uber drivers earn 7% more than women. (source: LA Times: Study of Uber drivers finds men earn more than women - for three key reasons)
What?? Uber sexism costs women that thousands a year?
Nope, turns out men just push the boundaries harder and hustle more for a dime. The data showed male drivers often went over the speed limit and road rules to do it, compared to female drivers.
Men are also willing to commute further and give up more to earn more pay than women will. It's a deeply rooted, evolutionary instinct that many women actually do want in a man - the drive to provide.
@Michelle_Emm You didn't answer my question.
Take two;
2 teachers who teach the same curriculum, the same aged students and work the same hours. But one gets paid more. Because they work at a private school that generates additional income to pay their staff more.
How's that any different to the soccer situation?
Also ignored my female/male model comparison too
Also, based on your next response, you don't even like sport, yet feel you understand enough to contribute to this discussion? I like the confidence, but you're trying too hard.
I see athletes as entertainers just like music you are paid a % you bring in
I think there’s a fairly significant piece of data is missing from this report that is conveniently being left out.
Are the women’s team bringing in the same amount of revenue as the men’s team? Because isn’t salary and prizes relative to the amount of money that’s being brought in? The money isn’t going to just magically appear it has to come from somewhere and for the men’s division that money comes from ticket sales, merchandising, and media deals.
You can really have equality if the amount of revenue being brought in isn’t equal. This report does a fine job avoiding how much money women’s soccer brings in by using phrases like “world record attention” but that’s world records attention in women’s sports not sports in general. The average male division game still gets more views and audience engagement then the women’s division so it doesn’t matter if it’s a world record for women’s sports it’s still not on par with the men’s division.
You can’t have equality if the revenue being brought in isn’t the same. This isn’t genre discrimination or a gender pay gap. It’s just basic economics.
If it generates the same revenue, women should obviously get the same pay. The reason men’s teams get paid more is usually because they bring in far more revenue.
its not rocket science... obviously lots of women want the cake and eat it too!
This didn't touch on anything relevant, it just spouted opinions not facts.
Should women athletes get paid more? Yes.
But to achieve that, women's sports need to become more lucrative, they need more bums in seats years round (not just when they're performing well) and they need more consistent viewership to make broadcasting deals more attractive.
At this point in time, women's sports are simply underperforming; generating far less revenue then their male counter parts.
If they want more money, they need to ro bring more money in. It's just that simple.
Sports isn't a socialist system. Not everyone is entitled to an equal portion of the pot, especially if they're failing the generate their fair share of the cash flow.
"Should women athletes get paid more? Yes" Why should they get paid more?
Would be good to have data to support any of the arguments here. But the minute you do that, well it gets awkward...
The average AFLW crowd last season was 2571.
The average AFL crowd was around 36,000. (source: Footy industry)
The money paid to the employees (players) should be related to revenue they generated.
How can you possibly argue equal pay here?
Women's soccer had a great moment, but the same differences apply for the A league and W leagues.
FIFA allocating prize money also reflects directly from the interest generated through tv rights and sponsorship. They are running a business after all.
The American women's soccer team suing was very ironic since they actually made more money than the men during the covid years for doing nothing. That's because they agreed to a completely different contract from the men, who negotiated a 'pay to play' contract, which was more risk, but greater reward.
During covid, with no games, the risk failed. Meanwhile the women negotiated a lesser money deal to play, but with regular payments regardless of playing or not. When it came time for the world cup, they realised their mistake and attempted to bail on their contract. Ironically, getting booted early in the World Cup now means the women earned less than they would have under the old contract. Confusing right?
None of that context here though...
Not only bigger crowds but also the tickets are more expensive.
Because it took years for men to create these soccer leagues.
If you want more money, start from scratch and make your own league. Everything is gimme, gimme, gimme. stop asking for hand downs, and go do it yourself.
There's no gap, that's the answer.
Who watches sports(percentage wise)? Man, when the women start watching and participate in sports at the same rate when they will be parity
Ive never eatched a women's soccer game until the world cup. I won't watch it again until the next world cup.
Half of population is female the can support female sport by watching
I'm just glad to see the increased pay and increased funding to women's sports. They deserve it.
They make a decent salary, kerr is earning well over $1M a year and has a steady sports commentator job at the end. Guarantee a mimimum for the rest so they can live comfortably. But until they can push merchandise, they aren't valuable enough for the salaries they are expecting.
How many olympians do we have that are working multiple jobs and have no future after their sport. Most of them.
It's the same for actors... unless you make it big, you have union benefits, and that's it.
They are already pushing merchandise, record breaking merchandise sales for the Matildas
@@Sagealeena then there you go... there is their money.
@@Sagealeena This was pushed by girls and women. They did it because they were women, not because the product is a high standard. Before the world cup most didnt know who majority of the team were.
@@Andrew-fy9wu And now the world cup is over they'll go back to ignoring football again.
Why do some movies make more money than others? Demand. Sport is entertainment, and women are paid excessively for it already.
@1:13 it IS NOT in any way, *THE SAME*
It can be equal when view count is equal. Before then, why?
@Michelle_Emmlmao what a stupid argument. If I’m doing the same job but I draw more eyes and money then yes I deserve more pay. Why do women struggle with basic supply and demand principles?
@Michelle_Emm If we were both in an industry that makes its money from advertising and merchandise and you had more viewers than me, I would 100% expect you to be paid more.
Girls dont play equal to guys and not equal number of people watch they playing then they earn less.
There isn’t. There’s a gender _earnings_ gap. Men’s sports command more revenue, sports fans are more interested in men’s competitions than women’s.
One could argue the title is a rhetorical question. It's an 'ugly' truth, but people in general are much more interested in the highest level of athletics. It's human nature. Edit: the NBA and WNBA are the best example.
Is there any reason women can't play in the men's league?
Maybe you should tell women to start watching and buying womens sports services rather than throwing all their time and money to taylor swift, kim kardashians, and whatever crap they watch while they complain about gender pay gap. I will never in my life buy a wnba or womens soccer apparel because im busy buying my favourite mens sports gear.
I see no analysis in this video only unsupported opinions.
Cuz is boring? 🤔
Because it’s crap
😴😴😴😴😴 zzz thats why
Why are we (ABC) calling soccer 'football'? It's soccer, we're in Australia.
Our male team is literally called the Socceroos.
Because during the tax payer paid federal government review into the NSL, (National Soccer League) which was collapsing under millions in debt in 2003, the FFA (Football Federation Australia) was created to make soccer viable in Australia.
In that review, the 'Football not soccer' crowd got their way and many government agencies, including the ABC, started calling it 'Football' confusing millions of Australians who for over a century called our great indigenous game of Australian Rules Football that.
It's really a disgrace that a foreign sport got the 'naming rights' over our own game, and that the government supported it.
They wanted a statue for 4th 😂