I had multiple examples of me using my Jorgen (121k power level) beating teams even with Sebastian on it. First of all, you can still slow down an enemy frontline, giving you precious seconds that could be crucial. Also, Jorgen's green skill is crucial for your own team by giving an ally protection AND double energy. If you combine Jorgen with Isaac and Sebastian you have an AMAZING control trio that could save your ass more than once. And last but not least, HW is a game with more than one possible line-up, so in Grand Arena (for example) you will DEFINITELY going to need them both level up.
Charlie if possible could you make videos going over a hero such as Jorgen.. but all aspects of levels: from Glyphs, skins, etc where to focus and what not to focus
I use Jorgen everywhere (adv13, GA, arena, gold-league wars), and he's orange something. He's decently tanky without any investment. I kept his Leper skill's level low because it prevents near-death heroes from being killed and often leads to timeouts against Martha.
At the servers i play i see barely any Sebastian in Arena and in Grand Arena you can just use the jorgen squad on another fight. Still i didn't level him on my 2nd server where i try to do F2P, but i do intend to do it at some point after i finished the heroes i'm currently focussing on. On my first world he is part of my main squad and 2nd team is the dream team.
Hey Charlie, what's like the sweet spot for Jorgen to be extremely effective , i know his skill Leper should be underlevel and his health should be lower so he would alt first but like what else?
Does Jorgen really need 1st skill maxed? The 9 second energy denial is the same at level 1. It's not level dependent. Only difference is some more damage which is paltry. Maybe that adds more energy gain for him? Possibly lower priority.
I can't get Jorgen's character to the level of constantly throwing poison. He throws poison from time to time. I wonder what should I do to bring Jorgen to the level of throwing poison frequently? Which parts should I upgrade?
Use axel as team pet as he is far back and gains energy slower. Maybe increasing str some so his attacks do more damage. If he is in the front as tank he ults more and he can certainly take some damage. That limits the team though as alot of heroes in front of him can't be used. Could use heroes in front that take off like kayla, yasmine, luther.
You absolutely want to invest in Jorgen. Just not all of his skills - energy gain blockage works even when not leveled - I would just focus on his survivability. He's very easy to max (Outland Shop). There are other scenarios - beside Arena - that are not about having solid single team, but 2, 3, … teams - just assign him where there's no Sebastian. If I could have 3 Jorgens, I definitely would. On the downside: - Current meta - Yasmine - doesn't seem to be affected by Jorgen at all. - He's useless in Campaign, boss fights, etc.
Why not use judge to counter Sebastian and Jorgen to then use his ultimate skill and steal the energy? Sebastian can't counter this if his serene of silence is countered by jugdes ult...
I agree but disagree as a #11 best player of Hero Wars I think Fafnir and Cleaver are some of the best game pieces. After that it's all about what teams you feel are best to put together.
it is funny even entering this conversation.. i don't have sebastion.. i just evolved jorgen.. he is at a level 48 and his power is 7643 so your power is 10 times that;) but i do like him..
Grand arena requires THREE teams, there is only ONE Sebastian. So we just don't get this whole "useless because of Seb" talk?! Also, "only at 73k"?! We only have two heroes above that! So the "shouldn't level him" seems relative? Especially since you mention bringing him to lvl 130 is the most important, so it is a bit misworded in the title we feel?
To “level” a hero in this context was more in reference to the entire kit: skins, glyphs, artifacts, etc. I agree I could have used a different word in the thumbnail.
First reason: A skill like Leper is great if they have a powerful Astaroth up front and some squishy damage dealer in the back. If they have Dante up front and Martha in the back it's incredibly detrimental since it essentially allows Martha to tank for the front line. Second reason: None of the good abilities of Jorgen are in any way power dependent. His energy denial ONLY cares about level. If you put a ton of investment into him he'll get a lot of extra health. That's going to slow down his own energy gain because of how the energy system works. That'd be a fair trade-off if he were fragile, but he's beefy enough to survive some AoE damage even unpowered.
The main issue is his skills don’t really scale with stats, so boosting all his skins and glyphs and all that don’t add to his utility; and then the higher his health and defense, the slower he charges.
I've been telling you and Misty that Jorgen is still good. P.S. I use Helios so Sebastion is no big deal, and I can still beat Sebastion teams with Jorgen.
@@ScottMonte If Helios' second skill is active, anyone that crits can get hit with Helios' fourth skill. Flaming Retribution Each time Helios' allies get critical hit, the flaming sphere may damage the attacker with a fire beam. With a strong Helios the fire beam can be over 100k damage. If Axel is the main pet and distributes damage to more heroes, it could be multiple fire beams.
I had multiple examples of me using my Jorgen (121k power level) beating teams even with Sebastian on it. First of all, you can still slow down an enemy frontline, giving you precious seconds that could be crucial. Also, Jorgen's green skill is crucial for your own team by giving an ally protection AND double energy. If you combine Jorgen with Isaac and Sebastian you have an AMAZING control trio that could save your ass more than once. And last but not least, HW is a game with more than one possible line-up, so in Grand Arena (for example) you will DEFINITELY going to need them both level up.
Charlie if possible could you make videos going over a hero such as Jorgen.. but all aspects of levels: from Glyphs, skins, etc where to focus and what not to focus
Thanks Charlie, always good to have these informative videos
Good info. Still finding teams without Seb, so will start using this. Appreciate!
Need to use with care, the Leper skill can have a big effect on team synergy.
I have been using Jorgen like this for a long time now. I leveled him up early on and realized I didn't have to max him out, which is great.
Options, Options! Thanks for the honest appraisal of Jorgen
I use Jorgen everywhere (adv13, GA, arena, gold-league wars), and he's orange something. He's decently tanky without any investment. I kept his Leper skill's level low because it prevents near-death heroes from being killed and often leads to timeouts against Martha.
Yeah I'd unlevel leper if I could. Against Martha it's a huge liability.
Every once in a while I get chewed up by Jorgen.
At the servers i play i see barely any Sebastian in Arena and in Grand Arena you can just use the jorgen squad on another fight.
Still i didn't level him on my 2nd server where i try to do F2P, but i do intend to do it at some point after i finished the heroes i'm currently focussing on.
On my first world he is part of my main squad and 2nd team is the dream team.
exactly, while the opponent is no using sebastian, jorgen will do his work 😉
against very strong teams he needs health/mag def/armor to stay alive long enough
Jorgen has gotten to be very useful since watching your link's
You are right Charlie, I hated Jorgen before I level up my Cebastian.
I enjoy your hot takes - completely serious - keep it up, very entertaining.
thx 4 the info Charlie
You can do it Jorgen, we believe in you!
Hey Charlie, what's like the sweet spot for Jorgen to be extremely effective , i know his skill Leper should be underlevel and his health should be lower so he would alt first but like what else?
more jorgen information would be great
Does Jorgen really need 1st skill maxed? The 9 second energy denial is the same at level 1. It's not level dependent. Only difference is some more damage which is paltry. Maybe that adds more energy gain for him? Possibly lower priority.
He is still amazing in Adventures
I can't get Jorgen's character to the level of constantly throwing poison. He throws poison from time to time. I wonder what should I do to bring Jorgen to the level of throwing poison frequently? Which parts should I upgrade?
Use axel as team pet as he is far back and gains energy slower. Maybe increasing str some so his attacks do more damage. If he is in the front as tank he ults more and he can certainly take some damage. That limits the team though as alot of heroes in front of him can't be used. Could use heroes in front that take off like kayla, yasmine, luther.
What about mobile? Is he not that good? Should we invest in?
We don’t see him à lot in GW, Arena or GA
Thank you-great help
thank you Charlie
Thanks Charlie
Thanks for the swag Charlie.
Still leveling my heroes up to 130 and Jorgen is still keeping higher level teams at bay when they do not have Sebastian.
You absolutely want to invest in Jorgen. Just not all of his skills - energy gain blockage works even when not leveled - I would just focus on his survivability.
He's very easy to max (Outland Shop).
There are other scenarios - beside Arena - that are not about having solid single team, but 2, 3, … teams - just assign him where there's no Sebastian.
If I could have 3 Jorgens, I definitely would.
On the downside:
- Current meta - Yasmine - doesn't seem to be affected by Jorgen at all.
- He's useless in Campaign, boss fights, etc.
Jorgen is often the main factor when my Twins team loses.
What are the stars about?
So Charlie's in other words, use Jorgen and Seb on the same team😎👅
Why not use judge to counter Sebastian and Jorgen to then use his ultimate skill and steal the energy? Sebastian can't counter this if his serene of silence is countered by jugdes ult...
Other than Seb, Jorgen is essential in the Adventures.
Nice info. thanks
You know who else can counter Jorgen? Satori.
really useful thanks
Good advice !
Hello Charlie. Is Jorgen effective against a dodge team?
thank you for the video
Hi, Thanks.
What about using Jorgen+Judge against Sebastian? Would Jorgens first skill work then?
There are plenty of ways to overwhelm Seb. Lian teams are good at that.
Patronage biscuit on an aoe attacker to strip ode.
I agree but disagree as a #11 best player of Hero Wars I think Fafnir and Cleaver are some of the best game pieces. After that it's all about what teams you feel are best to put together.
Thanks
he's on my list to level
thanks
Please how to counter Sebastian
Patronage biscuit to aoe damager.
Was working on him
it is funny even entering this conversation.. i don't have sebastion.. i just evolved jorgen.. he is at a level 48 and his power is 7643 so your power is 10 times that;) but i do like him..
Just buy up to VIP 3 to raid the campaigns and dungeons, after that it just waste of money.
Jorgen still seems pretty popular.
Grand arena requires THREE teams, there is only ONE Sebastian. So we just don't get this whole "useless because of Seb" talk?!
Also, "only at 73k"?! We only have two heroes above that! So the "shouldn't level him" seems relative? Especially since you mention bringing him to lvl 130 is the most important, so it is a bit misworded in the title we feel?
To “level” a hero in this context was more in reference to the entire kit: skins, glyphs, artifacts, etc. I agree I could have used a different word in the thumbnail.
I stopped building Jurgen long time ago like you ty charlie
Nice vid
Rufus/Dante=defense denial
I don't get the idea of leveling hurting the hero
First reason: A skill like Leper is great if they have a powerful Astaroth up front and some squishy damage dealer in the back. If they have Dante up front and Martha in the back it's incredibly detrimental since it essentially allows Martha to tank for the front line.
Second reason: None of the good abilities of Jorgen are in any way power dependent. His energy denial ONLY cares about level. If you put a ton of investment into him he'll get a lot of extra health. That's going to slow down his own energy gain because of how the energy system works. That'd be a fair trade-off if he were fragile, but he's beefy enough to survive some AoE damage even unpowered.
The main issue is his skills don’t really scale with stats, so boosting all his skins and glyphs and all that don’t add to his utility; and then the higher his health and defense, the slower he charges.
nice vid
Hello!
Sebastian is better looking
This is a great video! I hope the random comment picker picks me!
Hey Charlie
I've been telling you and Misty that Jorgen is still good. P.S. I use Helios so Sebastion is no big deal, and I can still beat Sebastion teams with Jorgen.
Please elaborate on using helios against sebastian?
@@ScottMonte If Helios' second skill is active, anyone that crits can get hit with Helios' fourth skill. Flaming Retribution Each time Helios' allies get critical hit, the flaming sphere may damage the attacker with a fire beam.
With a strong Helios the fire beam can be over 100k damage. If Axel is the main pet and distributes damage to more heroes, it could be multiple fire beams.
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There is no such thing as the best hero
isaac would be a better choice than jorgen
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So he's broken, it needs some fixes
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Jorgen is very bad against Martha. He speed up her.
Which is why you shouldn't level up his Leper skill.
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Good advice !