Another SUPERB instruction/description/demonstration by Larry Trocha in simplest possible words. As of now the pirouette (same as spinning canter) required in the Olympics dictates that the horses maintain the canter sequence. There is increasing interest in introduction of western style ( stock horse skills) in the Olympics. Also there is training value in the horse developing both sets of skills.
I'm not sure you can train a horse to do both the dressage pirouette a and a western style spin. If you accomplish that, please let me know and send video. Good luck.
I am here to LEARN because I think MOST western style training is more natural to the horse. MOST, albeit not all European training is so heavy handed (even worse in the middle east and southern Asia) that even at Olympic and world level completions there is so much tail ringing. I have seen some videos of dressage trainers with light hands that got both pirouette and circling around hind legs at the piaffe, if you accept that as a trot. The modern western training is so different than, and superior to, the PREVALENT western training of half a century ago (I'll be 76 next month.) Your philosophy that a relaxed horse learns better shows in your results. I still have good athletic abilities and only wished I had learned what I am learning, 65 years ago. But I do have 2 SHORT videos, one is 23 seconds, the other 1 min., 23 seconds, I want permission to send you. Not of spins at trot and canter, but showing how trainable my mare became AFTER I learned to keep her relaxed.@@ltrocha
What would be the reason for doing that repeatedly? I mean I can see it would be a handy manoeuver, but round and round, again and again? I dont get that. Obviously the differences between the trotting and cantering spin are easy to see, but why? I just dont like seeing horses having to do things that would be uncomfortable to do myself. I wouldnt ask it of them, ok teach them the spin but taking it to excessive lengths isnt cute. Don't get me wrong, I am genuinely asking. I got a heap out of your excellent videos on saddle fit for both horses and people. You explained it so beautifully I don't think I will ever forget, but, outwith manoeverability whilst working and some dispĺay riding in competition I just cant see where this would be utilised? Enlighten me please lol!
The only reason for teaching a horse multiple revolutions when spinning, is because many reining and reined cow horse show events require it as part of the pattern. No practical use for it past one 360 evolution.
Developing the athletic abilities of the horse, provided it is done in a way that the horse has no objections in the forms horses show: tail ringing and all the other forms of resistance..., is one reason. It's very common for human athletes to do 100s of reps, or laps, etc./ day. Many a trainer can teach. But good trainers teach the horse to do it in a way that makes it obvious they were not abused. All the signs of their good feelings are displayed: licking their lips, blowing....
@ltrocha Exactly. That is what I mean: western training has come a long ways after 1970's and by far surpassed old world training. There are still a few clinging to old ways. But MAINLY western trainers are way ahead of European trainers. We still see tail wringing and tail whipping at very high levels of European competitions.
Here's the link to my training course "Flying Lead Change Secrets" online.horsetrainingvideos.com/flying-lead-change-secrets-yt/
Another SUPERB instruction/description/demonstration by Larry Trocha in simplest possible words.
As of now the pirouette (same as spinning canter) required in the Olympics dictates that the horses maintain the canter sequence.
There is increasing interest in introduction of western style ( stock horse skills) in the Olympics. Also there is training value in the horse developing both sets of skills.
I'm not sure you can train a horse to do both the dressage pirouette a and a western style spin. If you accomplish that, please let me know and send video. Good luck.
I am here to LEARN because I think MOST western style training is more natural to the horse. MOST, albeit not all European training is so heavy handed (even worse in the middle east and southern Asia) that even at Olympic and world level completions there is so much tail ringing. I have seen some videos of dressage trainers with light hands that got both pirouette and circling around hind legs at the piaffe, if you accept that as a trot. The modern western training is so different than, and superior to, the PREVALENT western training of half a century ago (I'll be 76 next month.) Your philosophy that a relaxed horse learns better shows in your results. I still have good athletic abilities and only wished I had learned what I am learning, 65 years ago. But I do have 2 SHORT videos, one is 23 seconds, the other 1 min., 23 seconds, I want permission to send you. Not of spins at trot and canter, but showing how trainable my mare became AFTER I learned to keep her relaxed.@@ltrocha
very nice and interesting Video 👍🐎🐎🐎
Thank you for sharing
You are welcome
What bit comes after the snaffle for a horse that is ahead of time? Meaning ahead of skill for their age?
Ideally a curb bit with a Billy Allen mouthpiece. If not use a low port bit. DO NOT use a Tom Thumb bit.
Don’t use a Tom Thumb but could ya tell me why not??
@@WestonClancy-g2c There is a video on my channel which explains why.
Do you ride or train any horses in the bridle?
@@WestonClancy-g2c Yes, when the horse is ready for it.
What would be the reason for doing that repeatedly? I mean I can see it would be a handy manoeuver, but round and round, again and again? I dont get that. Obviously the differences between the trotting and cantering spin are easy to see, but why? I just dont like seeing horses having to do things that would be uncomfortable to do myself. I wouldnt ask it of them, ok teach them the spin but taking it to excessive lengths isnt cute. Don't get me wrong, I am genuinely asking. I got a heap out of your excellent videos on saddle fit for both horses and people. You explained it so beautifully I don't think I will ever forget, but, outwith manoeverability whilst working and some dispĺay riding in competition I just cant see where this would be utilised? Enlighten me please lol!
The only reason for teaching a horse multiple revolutions when spinning, is because many reining and reined cow horse show events require it as part of the pattern. No practical use for it past one 360 evolution.
Developing the athletic abilities of the horse, provided it is done in a way that the horse has no objections in the forms horses show: tail ringing and all the other forms of resistance..., is one reason. It's very common for human athletes to do 100s of reps, or laps, etc./ day. Many a trainer can teach. But good trainers teach the horse to do it in a way that makes it obvious they were not abused. All the signs of their good feelings are displayed: licking their lips, blowing....
@@calmronalavi4061 Do you see either of these horses wringing their tail? No you don't because their training has been done correctly.
@ltrocha Exactly. That is what I mean: western training has come a long ways after 1970's and by far surpassed old world training. There are still a few clinging to old ways. But MAINLY western trainers are way ahead of European trainers. We still see tail wringing and tail whipping at very high levels of European competitions.
Do you agree this can be put to use teaching foot control
Is the trotting spin horse not talented enough to lope spin?
No
So what do you do if your horse has a “walking spin” 😂
So eventually you speed it up... if that's what you want