I was taught about spades & crossbreed bits by Don Ulmer, a California style vaquero, finished bridle horse trainer from long ago (48 yrs for me). He started colts in bosals and they never saw a bit until they were 5 yr olds. You remind me of him! And my dad, who would have gotten a big chuckle from "vulgar display of wealth". Thank you! I must have said THAT'S RIGHT! 10 times in this short video. I liked and subscribed. I need more of your clear knowledge in my life!
We are from South Texas and I can say these videos are the best I have ever seen. Very similar to our traditions all my boys are better horsemen after listening to the straight to the point approach. Keep it up we need people like you in a fading tradition
I’m from Texas. I’m a lifelong student of vaquero horsemanship. I’m always amazed by the willingness of some to criticize what requires study and observation to understand. Patience, I have much more of that for horses than I do for people for one simple reason, people speak the same language I do. I’ve put a lot of time into learning how horses communicate. The simple answer for those that question the use of bits or Spurs lies in competence and knowledge. Precision tools have no meaning or value to a man who thinks only of utility rather than craftsmanship. I keep my tools out of the reach of infants.
Thank you Pat. I laughed fairly hard when you started talking about your grill. Not only do you know the horse's mind but the mind of your fellow man as well. Thanks for lending us a little "bit" of your wisdom. It is greatly appreciated by this cowhand and wanna-be horseman.
He is so knowledgeable It’s awesome, this is my night study now for several weeks. I’m addicted. Tell your wife thank you for encouraging and supporting you in this journey of your life. You are extremely resourceful. May God bless you both in abundance and Love. Keep up the great work.. Tired of the show world, desire and passion to be a rancher has been burning within for years. I too am taking a leap Pat and selling Nashville to be able to obtain my own ranch outside of city limits and contribute to my community also. My dream is here in Springfield not far from KY state line, only 45 min to Nashville for work. I am 52 and this has been my dream since childhood. I have asked too many people for roping lessons and now am teaching myself because of you, you gave me the confidence. Thank you again for everything.
Lori keep asking! Pull as much information that you can from anybody that's a hand with horse's go search for it then find out what work's for you with that knowledge as long as your patient relaxed and willing to take it slow your horse will show you if its right by the results it gives back. You'll never quit learning unless you want to quit!
Thanks Pat and Deb for this video! The knowledge you two share with the rest of the world is amazing. I hope people are paying attention to what you say. I would like to see a "how to" video about buying a ranch horse because I see a lot of new buyers get in over their heads and a lot of horses end up suffering because of it. Thanks from Arkansas
I've had (Western) horses for 25 years (I've personally only owned four in that time). I've never ridden in anything but a full cheek snaffle because I fear being too heavy handed with a western bit, and potentially teaching the horse bad habits or becoming resentful. This is a helpful video as are the others, and I'm now seeing the potential benefits in spade bits...which I always considered a tool of the lazy and fearful rider afflicted by the "Get a Bigger Hammer" syndrome. These videos are making me rethink things.
Ya gotta listen quick. Mr. Puckett has some zingers.😂 With that being said, "The body is what rides the horse." That's the greatest teaching statement I've ever heard out of all the horse trainers.
so interesting to hear about this! from what i know, progressing to a "plain" (meaning no extra snaffle like its often used today in a double bridle) curb bit was the goal to baroque riders ages ago as well, it meant your horse was schooled enough to not need the bit to be steered and ready for collection. nice seeing the parallels!
Not only are your videos very informative but they are also very entertaining: Love Pat's humor!!! Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I watch at least one of your videos daily- usually twice because I share them with my husband. He gets a kick out of Pat's colorful descriptions. 😂 God bless you both. Thanks again.
I've never gotten an explanation that I could follow as to how it changes anything to make a shank a different shape - Now I get it, it starts with the bit's center of balance, and how much material (i.e., weight) is behind that center of balance, how much in front, so you can have bits hang more vertically, or less vertically, so you can put the horse in a bit that asks for the right verticality for that horse - Thank You! PS - I promise, I "Like" all your videos, and have long since subscribed!
Youll now see bits in a whole new light, the reason for all those diffrent bits is to find the proper bslance& tounge relife, for any givin horse, its a lot like finding dentures , off the rack!
Thank you for the excellent video on western bits and those used in the vaquero method. It is the best explanation by far that I have seen to date on the web. Can you make a video on the hackamore and particularly what to look for in a bosal and possibly some braiders who know their craft and have experience in its use? From Cape Cod.
I nigh on cackled when he said, "Don't mind the concho, it's a vulgar display of wealth." Particularly because my dad and mentor both give me grief about a Salinas/Santa Barbara I've got on a garish headstall with yes, those vulgar displays on wealth for which is the only justification for a brow band being on a bridle. Now, in my defense, that's just my go to for the two rein. I have the decency to have a simple split ear set up for horses closer to being finished. Haha
Thank you very much for contacting us. We’re planning another trip to Victoria and South Australia in the middle of March. You can email us for details: debpuckett@gmail.com
@@PatnDebPuckett This may sound lame or silly or downright needy(LOL) BUT I wish I could have met Pat 50 years ago......I guess life sure is funny for some folks.I sure wish the powers to be had given him to me as a father instead of the one I had.
@@PatnDebPuckett I wish Pat had expressed himself on the "TOM THUMB" bit......everyone around here thinks it's Gods gift to the equestrian world 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
One last thing Grace our mustang is 1200 pounds she came to us bucking, kicking spinning around and stomping lifting her head when you approach her. We left her alone and just fed groomed her through a fence and slowly worked catching her. Took 5 months for a change, now with your help she’s transforming. Just ground work soon we’ll get on her. Thanks
Thank you so much for this! I had the pleasure of working under a fabulous reining horse trainer. His advice about bits was if in doubt, go to a grazer! I love learning from seasoned cowboys. The young'uns do have some good concepts, but the best comes from guys like you!
Once again an excellent video on a confusing subject. Your straight-forward style of explanation with colorful words and sayings makes it a fun lesson - and reminds me of how my dad and g'pa would explain livestock. Thanks you.
Thank you for making this video, as another Vlogger, I appreciate the time you spent putting it together. Very good information here for sure. I don’t use bits on my farm and your excellent explanation of the pain a Snaffle can cause is why; but bits do have a purpose which is why I will never say anything I’ll about them in the hands of one who knows how to properly use the aid. I have watched your other videos and you have my deepest respect sir. Looking forward to more videos in the future.
What I find interesting about your videos is the reminder of how many aspects of horsing around there are. You are crystal clear that your expectation as are a working ranch horse. I have friends who do English eventing, endurance competitions, pleasure riders, dressage, and there are those who never leave the boarding arena. My wife and I trial dogs, and keep the horses tuned through the rest of the year pleasure trail riding. My horse I had forever (he’s passed a few years ago) and I communicated really well. Much of the time I used a barrel racing rein so I could just drop it on his neck and direct him with body position. He wasn’t the smoothest Walker, but we got along well. I suspect that if I hopped on your favorite horse, or if you hopped on mine the finer details of the rider horse language wouldn’t be obvious to each other - because you and I speak different languages. All the various disciplines have their own thing going on. But I do like what you have going on there. Nice work. I’d like to cows with you for a week or two. I’m wire my horse and I would improve.
You gave me an excellent education on those bits and more than a few good chuckles this morning. Thanks, guys. Always a fan and watching for more. PS: Can't believe you don't have some mouth-watering recipes tucked away that really need sharing. Maybe time for a cooking class with that definitely interesting bbq you teased under our noses. Do a show and tell. And add that bbq to your products for sale....you may have a run-a-way winner there. As an old scratch cook, I did have a hard time keeping my eyes off it! May have to watch the video again and pay more attention to the bits!!!
Haha, I love your videos. Thanks for the information. I grew up in Wyoming riding Western and only have experience with curb bits, but now I'm living in Albania and am riding English (trail/trek riding, not arena/show riding), soI'm now learning about riding with snaffle bits. I love what you emphasized at the end, though, that the bit is for collection, but you ride with your body. Absolutely right. Thanks again for another great, informative video!
Great job creating this video. Well done! Thanks for the enlightening content of bits. Wish I could find that learning bit here in Alberta. It makes sense.
I'm also in Alberta and have found this kind of bit on line by looking under hinged snaffle. My goal is the show ring, so I will be using three bits with the same mouthpiece - the snaffle, then a double rein shank, then a silver bit with the single rein shank. The bit does make sense in giving room for the horse's tongue for comfort and so on. The more comfortable the mouth, the better the horse. I believe Pat and Deb offer their bit on their website as well. I hope this helps and wish you the best in your riding and your career as an artist!
thanks for your insight in an understandable common sense manner. I've been working with Mecate reins and Bosals, it takes a lot of time but hopefully the horses I've been working with respect it. thanks again for your insight
I do really like your bit that you designed for crossover. I still occasionally train other people's horses and it would be really nice to have something like that.
I’m not sure what you are referring to with “ Sister spade.” If you mean the Sleister, that bit is not a spade. It does suit the vast majority of horses.
I try to remember what you said first 😊nope.When you say something funny I forget. Must be getting younger . I've watched all day I'm like and subscribed. I need a nap Happy New year
I've just found you and I have to say I know nothing about horses. I've taken lessons in English and now I am much older and find the western saddle safer and more secure for this old body. Your experience and plain talk explanation are a welcome breath of fresh air. I've been looking for a cricket snaffle and can't find one. Ideas? Thank you sir and please don't stop teaching the basics.
You can order one on our website. They are currently backordered but will be back in stock in early September. You can reserve one if you don’t mind the wait. www.thedisciplinedride.com/store.html
Just got your book Transitioning your horse to a western bit. Sounds like you suggest a halter , ground work re-teach pressure, yield and timing. Then get on and work my legs in a halter. But what about the cricket bit? Do I start this in my ground work, then ride in a halter working my seat commands. I guess your clinic will help. Your videos on ground work has transformed my mustang of 12. She is so much more respectful and listens. She was taught well but went to a poor second handler then a rescue, she comes in 1/2 way when I raise my hand and the the rest when I raise my hand and slap my leg. Really love your help!! She going to be amazing!!!
I love that Pat seems to only use bits with solid mouthpieces (snaffle and leverage), and yet he gets everything out of a horse you could possibly want. Solid mouthpiece and a cricket gets it done! He mentioned "correction" bits -- the ones where there's an upside down "U" shape open port and where the bottom of the port attaches to the mouthpiece, it swivels, on both sides. No one really explains the purpose of that. Then there's the one where there's a single jointed mouthpiece on a leverage cheekpiece and the whole thing wobbles all over the place. OMG. There's a trainer on YT that actually uses that wobbly set up with single twisted and double twisted wire jointed mouthpieces. You watch this video several times and then go watch videos promoting other types of bits and they kind of seem like a lot of BS. Thank you Pat.
Thanks for your knowledge I'm from Orange Australia ive interested in the old California tradition for years you really do a great job of explaining how could i get one of your solid mouth snaffle with cricket thanks Sid
Pat, I am purchasing my first O-ring cricket as you have been riding in. I have a brand new 8 year old gelding who has been yanked on by his previous owner by an o-ring. NOT an o-ring curved with a cricket. This horse is so sensitive I hope this bit helps him relax a bit. by watching your videos i think this o-ring cricket will help him relax along with my breathing and seating. i am just trying to find the best o ring for him. thank you.
hey there, thank you for this video! love your explanations and the humour that you have! but more importantly am so pleased that you are making these and sharing your knowledge.
Great explanation, it was very helpful. I've asked many cowboys to explain the difference in bits to me, but their arrogance generally begins where their knowledge ends. Many thanks folks!
I have just discovered your videos! I love your style and such a great amount of respect for your years of practical knowledge. I have discovered the Jaquima and have been learning and riding my horses in them as I am truly a fan of soft feel and am thrilled when I watch a handy rider working an animal. Do you have any videos that show your methods training with the bosal. Thank-you.......you make me chuckle with every video!
Thanks for another great video, learning a lot through them and I appreciate the time you take to make them. I would love to learn more one making a hackmore horse if you need more video ideas.
You have an excellent knowledge of bits. I'll be recommending your video to a few friends who are getting terrible advice from a local "trainer" who puts every horse in a twisted wire snaffle. In my opinion twisted wire doesn't belong in a horse's mouth and if you feel a need to use on on any horse you are not a trainer and not a horseman.
This explains so much!! Thank you! Spade bits are pretty much unheard of down here in Florida but I’m interested in buying one. If it isn’t too much of a hassle would you mind making a video about the best bit and spur makers and which ones you recommended. GRACIAS! ❤️
Hi -- I could be wrong and forgive me if I am, but being "interested in buying one" (a spade bit) sounds like you don't already have a horse that goes in a spade. And it sounds like you think it's just another bit to try. Developing a bridle horse in the vaquero tradition (e.g., riding a horse in a spade) takes years and is something that very few horsemen and horses ever master. You need a horseman to teach you and you need a horse that is up to that style of riding. If spades are pretty much unheard of where you live, then you might have a hard time finding a mentor. But there is a lot of material about it online (articles, videos). Skill- and knowledge-wise this is way beyond me, but I love learning about it.
Just found your channel the other day. Good stuff. I come from a ranching background myself and find that folks with practical ways may not fit so well with our show horse neighbors
Good video-need more people to watch these-I see far too many people who think a straight or any kind of bit is the answer for their horse when in fact they are not well broke and these people do not have any idea how to ride with eyes and seat--worse of all is I see people at sorting events that could not ride one handed if their life depended on it-so why why why!!! Is there a shank bit in the horses mouth-uneducated riders-I put hundreds of hours on a horse before a shank ever is in the mouth-but it is a true joy to ride straight up and collected on a soft educated capable horse--not rocket science but knowledge and time time time!! Is necessary-there are no shortcuts--here in Ontario Canada there are few horses like mine-and when one who is trained and rides like mine comes up for sale-people will not pay up because they are just plain ignorant of the time effort dedication that it takes to make a horse! And if they did pay up-they do not know how to handle them-I have purchased the horse no-one could ride-but they rode fine in a good bit and were lighter than light when I bought them--rider skills are just as important as the well schooled horse!!
I'm alittle.... anti bit. I feel if you're a good enough rider and can communicate with your horse properly all you need is a halter. And you ride so amazing you don't need a bit! But well different opinions just my 2 cents. Love the videos by the way!! Keep them coming
Well.. you could also look at it as.. if you're a good rider and have good hands.. you can ride a horse in any bit?? Just showing another perspective. I'm a kind of a middle of the road person... usually just use a low port curb or a 2 or 3 piece Snafflebit... ring or shank depending on my horse and the day. I can ride 2 of my horses from bridleless to a high port or cathedral and anything in between. 😊🐴
@Life With Horses TV everyone thinks they are a good rider with soft hands. This is the problem. I just had an experienced rider come and ride on of my horses. She says the whole time this horse is pretty soft. (The horse is not by the way.) I pointed out to her that the fiador knot was tucked under the horses jaw because she was holding on so tight. This is very common. This is why 9 out of 10 times bits are just plain old torture devices.
@@katiek.8808 Just because someone says they are experienced, doesn't mean that they are. I agree... riding bitless and/or bridleless gives you a whole other level of riding and knowledge... teaches one something new... about themselves and the horse. All I'm saying is... that if someone is really good with their hands... they should be able to ride in anything... of course depending on the horse. I trained my appy and like I said... can ride him bridleless... and have used and tried all kinds of bits on him trying to find what he liked for the show ring. He trusted me to try anything on him because he knows my hands are good. My paint horse is another one that I can ride bridleless too... but with him... I've only tried about 4 or 5 bits on him and found what he likes to show in. When showing... you do have to use a bit, so you have to learn to have soft hands. Although I'm a believer in bits... I don't agree with using bigger and bigger bits if a horse is not trained well. If a horse won't do something or is misbehaving.. going to a bigger bit is not the answer... it means you have a whole in your training somewhere. Time to go back and figure out what the horse is not understanding before you can move on. To me, bits aren't used to bypass wholes in a training program, they are used for specific purposes and disciplines to achieve certain results.. and should be used with soft hands... which unfortunately some people don't have. And like I said... even though in the past, I've tried the high ports and cathedrals and spoons to see what they did and their purpose... I'm a middle of the road bit user... I usually use a 3 piece ring snaffle, a 2 piece shank snaffle, a 3 pieces shank snaffle, a curb bit and a bosal... those are the main things I ride in. :)
@Life With Horses TV that’s great however you are the exception. I don’t hate bit users. It’s just bits should be for for seriously experienced people and very well trained horses(which begs the question why use them anyways). Bits should be found in the show pen(which is still unnecessary) not your average trail rider.
OMG. I’ve watched this video at least five times and I just now realized what Pat meant by a correction bit being a collection bit!! I always thought he meant collection as in a horse being collected (I know, makes no sense but that’s all I could come up with). Now I realize he meant people collect them. And I can see why. There are so many variations people probably keep buying different versions, searching for the best one.
I wish I could have a one on one lessons from you, or you come to Raymond, Maine on Sebago Lake! You remind me of my dad with straight foward knowledge
Pat, if you have or come across a really good spade bit horse do you think you could make a video doing a little demonstration of what you might consider a "finished" Bridle Horse? I think it would help me understand the progression better. Seeing everything all put together.
We have so many videos that you can often just do a search with the words Pat Puckett and whatever subject you’re curious about such as Bridle Horse. Here are a few of the results from the search I did: ruclips.net/video/LlVc9j4MS1Q/видео.html ruclips.net/video/PAlXtdfYRkc/видео.html ruclips.net/video/mHFL6QkDwU8/видео.html We also have a dvd on our website called The Art of the Bridle Horse: www.thedisciplinedride.com/store
If the spade is 4 1/2 inches a tall, I’m not concerned about it. That makes it extend far enough into the horse’s mouth that it makes the shape of the spoon irrelevant. Another thing to remember is that we only want ONE finger between the horse’s jaw and the curb strap. This eliminates the possibility of the spoon turning over in the horse’s mouth.
have you ever worked in a bosal? in young and still learning when it comes to training. I found my horses is much more responsive to pressure on the nose over pressure in the mouth. I worked on this old horse for months in a snaffle to get a half decent stop out of him, i tried a hackamore by chance and he is a new horse for me.
The bosal, for us, is reserved for young horses that are on their way to becoming spade bit horses. Chinaco will go into the bosal and won’t ever have a bit in his mouth prior to the spade bit.
You are so right on the mark. What a breath of fresh air. I use mullen mouths, spanish bits, and side pulls. Where do you get the mullen with the cricket?
Sure like that solid mouth snaffle with the cricket. Always felt that mullen mouth style was as gentle as you could get but the cricket is a great addition.
Thank you nicely presented, I'm kind of sorry I sold my silver bits, but I really had no need for them anymore. I still have one half breed, but the shanks are curved more like US Calvary bit but less sweep a bit straighter.
Dear mr puckett, I can't Express how much I truly enjoyed your videos. Unfortunately, I have not been able to ride for quite a few years, so I get my horse "fix" through youtubers like yourself . Please keep up the good work. One question please, here in Missouri and southern Illinois, we used a plain curb bit. Your thoughts on those please.
Buenissimo!🤗 Gracias for sharing, what do you think about a Salinas monthpiece? Wonder to put on my horse when he is ready for it with a Santa Barbara.
Talking of Australia, just got myself a Peewee solid bar snaffle. Excellent piece of equipment. Talks black and white. Also very interested in bosal and eventual use of pencil bosal and Martin Black and all that trad stuff.. Bbq looks the biz.
Maybe my last comment on this video. Maybe not. Before I say this I want to be clear that I’m not one of those people who thinks bits are cruel. I have Pat’s snaffle and am very glad to have found it. My issue is with spade bits. It seems like the only way for a horse to be “comfortable” in a spade bit is if he carries his head at an angle that allows the spoon to lay flat against the tongue. I do understand that a “comfortable” angle for a warmblood is different from a “comfortable” angle for a QH. But seems like comfortable is a relative term. Yes the horse can set his head in a certain way to avoid discomfort but it’s not comfortable for a horse or a person to maintain a specific position for a long time. We all need to be able to move around continually to keep from getting stiff or sore. So that’s my concern - that it has to be very hard on a horse to maintain a headset that keeps the bit from being uncomfortable. I used to think that the intense collection and vertical headset of dressage riding was tough on horses and it’s clearly hard work. But dressage horses don’t have to maintain that frame for hours at a time because they get frequent breaks on a loose rein and the curb bit has a low port so they can relax with the bit in their mouths. Bridle horses get no relief unless the bridle is literally removed from the horse’s head. Would be interested in Pat’s thoughts on this.
As you said, a bridle horse has to work all day and spends much of that day on a loose rein covering country. So here’s how it works: when the horse is carrying it’s head in what we’ll call a neutral position with no collection, there is no pressure in the horse’s mouth and the spoon is laying (not pushing) on the horse’s tongue. Now when the rider picks up the reins, the spoon comes off the tongue slightly (the properly adjusted curb strap keeps it from contacting the roof of the horse’s mouth) and that is the signal for the horse to gather itself up into collection and tip his nose in. The rider then asks the horse to do whatever little job is at hand, work a gate, change speed or direction, move laterally, etc. Once the job is done, the rein goes slack and the horse continues on its way. The angle of the spoon is customized for each horse so that he can carry his head in a natural position both with and without collection. For example, the Andalusian would get a steeper angle to the spoon than a quarter horse. The spade bit is a SIGNAL bit. That means that ideally there should be no leverage used. The height of the spoon and the looseness of the jaw allows for a wide range of minute signals. Contrast that to the actual leverage caused by a lower port bit with a curb strap. This is not to say that the curb strap is not a necessary part of the multiple signals produced by a spade bit. But the signal aspect of a spade is the main source of communication and not the leverage caused by the curb strap as it is in low port bits. So your premise that a spade bit horse is in “discomfort” if he’s not in collection is not correct. He’s just carrying the spade around in his mouth. He can pick it up when he has to do a job that requires speed and he can just let it hang in his mouth when he’s just covering country. Thank you for your well thought out question. We will make a video covering this subject when and if we ever get out of Australia!
@@PatnDebPuckett Wow that helps a LOT. I know I"m not getting it 100%, but one of these days I will. One of the things you mentioned that I didn't realize is that headstalls fitted with a spade bit have curb straps. Being signal bits, as opposed to leverage bits, I thought perhaps they didn't have curb straps at all. I would love to see a video on this. I'm thinking that maybe you being stuck in Australia is one reason why you had time to write that wonderful long response. I really appreciate it. Stay safe.
You are correct! We were sitting in a hotel room under lock down waiting on our flight home. We made it back to the US finally and now we’re in self quarantine at home which is pretty normal for us. To clarify one more thing, Pat has done slow speed demonstrations on his spade bit horse without a curb strap to make the point that the spade is a signal bit. He would NEVER go without the curb strap under everyday working conditions because it keeps the spoon from turning over in the horse’s mouth. When he’s chasing a cow at a high rate of speed, he might need to take a hold of the horse to rate her and going without a curb strap would be unwise. We’ll make a video on this subject in the coming week or so. Thank you again for keeping an open mind on this subject and being genuinely curious...
I was taught about spades & crossbreed bits by Don Ulmer, a California style vaquero, finished bridle horse trainer from long ago (48 yrs for me). He started colts in bosals and they never saw a bit until they were 5 yr olds. You remind me of him! And my dad, who would have gotten a big chuckle from "vulgar display of wealth". Thank you! I must have said THAT'S RIGHT! 10 times in this short video. I liked and subscribed. I need more of your clear knowledge in my life!
We are from South Texas and I can say these videos are the best I have ever seen. Very similar to our traditions all my boys are better horsemen after listening to the straight to the point approach. Keep it up we need people like you in a fading tradition
Where can one purchase a snaffle with a cricket like the one you use?
@@peggybartlett9699 I'm pretty sure that is his bit. I saw one on his website which the link to is in the description of this video.
I’m from Texas. I’m a lifelong student of vaquero horsemanship. I’m always amazed by the willingness of some to criticize what requires study and observation to understand. Patience, I have much more of that for horses than I do for people for one simple reason, people speak the same language I do. I’ve put a lot of time into learning how horses communicate. The simple answer for those that question the use of bits or Spurs lies in competence and knowledge. Precision tools have no meaning or value to a man who thinks only of utility rather than craftsmanship. I keep my tools out of the reach of infants.
Thank you Pat. I laughed fairly hard when you started talking about your grill. Not only do you know the horse's mind but the mind of your fellow man as well.
Thanks for lending us a little "bit" of your wisdom. It is greatly appreciated by this cowhand and wanna-be horseman.
You are a wealth of knowledge. Thank you for sharing your years of experience!
Trying to buy your dvd on quality ground work. What is the correct link.
'Bout bloody time someone gave us a proper explanation.
My Grandpa would've gotten a kick out of you. Miss him.
Most knowledgeable man I came across. What a gentleman.
Whish your vids where around in the 80's . I haven't been on a horse for decades yet know much more now thanks to you and mr true horsemanship .
All good info as usual, keep it going my friend. Jay from 🇨🇦
He is so knowledgeable
It’s awesome, this is my night study now for several weeks. I’m addicted.
Tell your wife thank you for encouraging and supporting you in this journey of your life. You are extremely resourceful.
May God bless you both in abundance and Love.
Keep up the great work.. Tired of the show world, desire and passion to be a rancher has been burning within for years.
I too am taking a leap Pat and selling Nashville to be able to obtain my own ranch outside of city limits and contribute to my community also. My dream is here in Springfield not far from KY state line, only 45 min to Nashville for work. I am 52 and this has been my dream since childhood. I have asked too many people for roping lessons and now am teaching myself because of you, you gave me the confidence. Thank you again for everything.
Lori keep asking! Pull as much information that you can from anybody that's a hand with horse's go search for it then find out what work's for you with that knowledge as long as your patient relaxed and willing to take it slow your horse will show you if its right by the results it gives back. You'll never quit learning unless you want to quit!
Thanks for taking the time to make this informative video.
Thanks Pat and Deb for this video! The knowledge you two share with the rest of the world is amazing. I hope people are paying attention to what you say. I would like to see a "how to" video about buying a ranch horse because I see a lot of new buyers get in over their heads and a lot of horses end up suffering because of it. Thanks from Arkansas
So grateful to have found you, sir. Thank you.
I've had (Western) horses for 25 years (I've personally only owned four in that time). I've never ridden in anything but a full cheek snaffle because I fear being too heavy handed with a western bit, and potentially teaching the horse bad habits or becoming resentful. This is a helpful video as are the others, and I'm now seeing the potential benefits in spade bits...which I always considered a tool of the lazy and fearful rider afflicted by the "Get a Bigger Hammer" syndrome. These videos are making me rethink things.
Hi G'day.. I'm an Aussie and I love watching your video's.. enjoy your BBQ LOL
God Bless you and your bride .Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge
Ya gotta listen quick. Mr. Puckett has some zingers.😂 With that being said, "The body is what rides the horse." That's the greatest teaching statement I've ever heard out of all the horse trainers.
Thanks guys for all the videos!! They are a wealth of practical information for this old hand in South Georgia!!
so interesting to hear about this! from what i know, progressing to a "plain" (meaning no extra snaffle like its often used today in a double bridle) curb bit was the goal to baroque riders ages ago as well, it meant your horse was schooled enough to not need the bit to be steered and ready for collection. nice seeing the parallels!
Love the humor & telling it the way it is! Thank you for your knowledge and experience! I will be putting it to use!
This wise man must be recognized for his talents. You sir are a very fine role model and would love to make time to listen to you teach me anytime.
Always fun to learn with Pat.
Not only are your videos very informative but they are also very entertaining: Love Pat's humor!!! Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I watch at least one of your videos daily- usually twice because I share them with my husband. He gets a kick out of Pat's colorful descriptions. 😂
God bless you both. Thanks again.
I've never gotten an explanation that I could follow as to how it changes anything to make a shank a different shape - Now I get it, it starts with the bit's center of balance, and how much material (i.e., weight) is behind that center of balance, how much in front, so you can have bits hang more vertically, or less vertically, so you can put the horse in a bit that asks for the right verticality for that horse - Thank You!
PS - I promise, I "Like" all your videos, and have long since subscribed!
Youll now see bits in a whole new light, the reason for all those diffrent bits is to find the proper bslance& tounge relife, for any givin horse, its a lot like finding dentures , off the rack!
You MR. amaze me every time I watch you channel.
I love your videos. I’ll bet sitting around a campfire with you guys brings out some great stories😊
Thank you for the excellent video on western bits and those used in the vaquero method. It is the best explanation by far that I have seen to date on the web. Can you make a video on the hackamore and particularly what to look for in a bosal and possibly some braiders who know their craft and have experience in its use?
From Cape Cod.
I nigh on cackled when he said, "Don't mind the concho, it's a vulgar display of wealth." Particularly because my dad and mentor both give me grief about a Salinas/Santa Barbara I've got on a garish headstall with yes, those vulgar displays on wealth for which is the only justification for a brow band being on a bridle. Now, in my defense, that's just my go to for the two rein. I have the decency to have a simple split ear set up for horses closer to being finished. Haha
When you work hard for your money earn it honest way
You want the finer things so use some bling if you can afford it lol
It was a pleasure to have met you many years ago when you were in Australia. I was a young ranch hand . And i found your information invaluable
Thank you very much for contacting us. We’re planning another trip to Victoria and South Australia in the middle of March. You can email us for details: debpuckett@gmail.com
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This may sound lame or silly or downright needy(LOL)
BUT I wish I could have met Pat 50 years ago......I guess life sure is funny for some folks.I sure wish the powers to be had given him to me as a father instead of the one I had.
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I wish Pat had expressed himself on the "TOM THUMB" bit......everyone around here thinks it's Gods gift to the equestrian world
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Believe you covered some good points there sir, nice talk ! Looking forward to the next one!
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
One last thing Grace our mustang is 1200 pounds she came to us bucking, kicking spinning around and stomping lifting her head when you approach her. We left her alone and just fed groomed her through a fence and slowly worked catching her. Took 5 months for a change, now with your help she’s transforming. Just ground work soon we’ll get on her. Thanks
Thank you so much for this! I had the pleasure of working under a fabulous reining horse trainer. His advice about bits was if in doubt, go to a grazer! I love learning from seasoned cowboys. The young'uns do have some good concepts, but the best comes from guys like you!
Once again an excellent video on a confusing subject. Your straight-forward style of explanation with colorful words and sayings makes it a fun lesson - and reminds me of how my dad and g'pa would explain livestock. Thanks you.
Pat, I love your videos, your quite a Horseman/Cowboy, I'm learning allot. Keep up the great work!
well sir I do like the way you think/feel about twist wire broken snaffle bits
Amen! Cruelest thing you can strap on a horse!
Thank you for making this video, as another Vlogger, I appreciate the time you spent putting it together. Very good information here for sure. I don’t use bits on my farm and your excellent explanation of the pain a Snaffle can cause is why; but bits do have a purpose which is why I will never say anything I’ll about them in the hands of one who knows how to properly use the aid. I have watched your other videos and you have my deepest respect sir. Looking forward to more videos in the future.
What I find interesting about your videos is the reminder of how many aspects of horsing around there are. You are crystal clear that your expectation as are a working ranch horse. I have friends who do English eventing, endurance competitions, pleasure riders, dressage, and there are those who never leave the boarding arena. My wife and I trial dogs, and keep the horses tuned through the rest of the year pleasure trail riding. My horse I had forever (he’s passed a few years ago) and I communicated really well. Much of the time I used a barrel racing rein so I could just drop it on his neck and direct him with body position. He wasn’t the smoothest Walker, but we got along well.
I suspect that if I hopped on your favorite horse, or if you hopped on mine the finer details of the rider horse language wouldn’t be obvious to each other - because you and I speak different languages. All the various disciplines have their own thing going on.
But I do like what you have going on there. Nice work. I’d like to cows with you for a week or two. I’m wire my horse and I would improve.
Excellent video! Pat is my favourite. In my mind Pat has it all, wisdom, feel, and a hell of a BBQ
thank you for the good information, I don't own a correction bit period. If I have a problem with a horse, I go back to the bosal, or halter.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. It is truly a valuable commodity.
That was great information, you are such a knowledgeable man, I have learned so much from watching your videos!!
Thank you for sharing!!
I just love your videos! Most helpful and straight to the punch. I’m learning new things to the better good of my horse
You gave me an excellent education on those bits and more than a few good chuckles this morning. Thanks, guys. Always a fan and watching for more. PS: Can't believe you don't have some mouth-watering recipes tucked away that really need sharing. Maybe time for a cooking class with that definitely interesting bbq you teased under our noses. Do a show and tell. And add that bbq to your products for sale....you may have a run-a-way winner there. As an old scratch cook, I did have a hard time keeping my eyes off it! May have to watch the video again and pay more attention to the bits!!!
Haha, I love your videos. Thanks for the information. I grew up in Wyoming riding Western and only have experience with curb bits, but now I'm living in Albania and am riding English (trail/trek riding, not arena/show riding), soI'm now learning about riding with snaffle bits. I love what you emphasized at the end, though, that the bit is for collection, but you ride with your body. Absolutely right. Thanks again for another great, informative video!
Great job creating this video. Well done! Thanks for the enlightening content of bits. Wish I could find that learning bit here in Alberta. It makes sense.
I'm also in Alberta and have found this kind of bit on line by looking under hinged snaffle. My goal is the show ring, so I will be using three bits with the same mouthpiece - the snaffle, then a double rein shank, then a silver bit with the single rein shank. The bit does make sense in giving room for the horse's tongue for comfort and so on. The more comfortable the mouth, the better the horse. I believe Pat and Deb offer their bit on their website as well. I hope this helps and wish you the best in your riding and your career as an artist!
thanks for your insight in an understandable common sense manner. I've been working with Mecate reins and Bosals, it takes a lot of time but hopefully the horses I've been working with respect it. thanks again for your insight
Wonderful- thanks pat and Deb - miss you here in Arizona - I think you’d like my new horse -
I do really like your bit that you designed for crossover. I still occasionally train other people's horses and it would be really nice to have something like that.
Very informative video - thank you both and regards from Wyoming!
Thanks Mr Pat. I'm definitely learning things from your videos.
Love you video and stories behind everything.
I have used a Sister spade bit for some time now . It seems to be the best all around bit if one will be riding several different horses .
I’m not sure what you are referring to with “ Sister spade.” If you mean the Sleister, that bit is not a spade. It does suit the vast majority of horses.
Great video. Thank you for the excellent explanation.
I try to remember what you said first 😊nope.When you say something funny I forget. Must be getting younger . I've watched all day I'm like and subscribed. I need a nap
Happy New year
I've just found you and I have to say I know nothing about horses. I've taken lessons in English and now I am much older and find the western saddle safer and more secure for this old body. Your experience and plain talk explanation are a welcome breath of fresh air. I've been looking for a cricket snaffle and can't find one. Ideas? Thank you sir and please don't stop teaching the basics.
You can order one on our website. They are currently backordered but will be back in stock in early September. You can reserve one if you don’t mind the wait.
www.thedisciplinedride.com/store.html
Great job Bro i could watch and learn from you all day.Thanks for sharing!
Just got your book Transitioning your horse to a western bit. Sounds like you suggest a halter , ground work re-teach pressure, yield and timing. Then get on and work my legs in a halter. But what about the cricket bit? Do I start this in my ground work, then ride in a halter working my seat commands. I guess your clinic will help. Your videos on ground work has transformed my mustang of 12. She is so much more respectful and listens. She was taught well but went to a poor second handler then a rescue, she comes in 1/2 way when I raise my hand and the the rest when I raise my hand and slap my leg. Really love your help!! She going to be amazing!!!
Yes you can use the Missing Link Snaffle after you do your homework in the halter as an intermediate step to the western bit.
I sure do enjoy your videos and I get a lot from them keep up the good work
“Cross dresser comes to mind” 😂
haha
Hilarious!
I love that Pat seems to only use bits with solid mouthpieces (snaffle and leverage), and yet he gets everything out of a horse you could possibly want. Solid mouthpiece and a cricket gets it done!
He mentioned "correction" bits -- the ones where there's an upside down "U" shape open port and where the bottom of the port attaches to the mouthpiece, it swivels, on both sides. No one really explains the purpose of that. Then there's the one where there's a single jointed mouthpiece on a leverage cheekpiece and the whole thing wobbles all over the place. OMG. There's a trainer on YT that actually uses that wobbly set up with single twisted and double twisted wire jointed mouthpieces. You watch this video several times and then go watch videos promoting other types of bits and they kind of seem like a lot of BS. Thank you Pat.
I love you guys! You're so helpful...and fun.
Thank you for explaining the different western bits! You did a great job with reminding everyone to hit the like button! Lol!😁
Thanks for your knowledge I'm from Orange Australia ive interested in the old California tradition for years you really do a great job of explaining how could i get one of your solid mouth snaffle with cricket thanks Sid
I enjoyed learning this video. Thank you!
Pat, I am purchasing my first O-ring cricket as you have been riding in. I have a brand new 8 year old gelding who has been yanked on by his previous owner by an o-ring. NOT an o-ring curved with a cricket. This horse is so sensitive I hope this bit helps him relax a bit. by watching your videos i think this o-ring cricket will help him relax along with my breathing and seating. i am just trying to find the best o ring for him. thank you.
hey there, thank you for this video! love your explanations and the humour that you have! but more importantly am so pleased that you are making these and sharing your knowledge.
I think the bridle rosette is lovely and though it means nothing to the horse it means something to you.
Its beautiful.
These are so educational. Makes me wish I had come in with my early relatives to be a vaquero.
Great explanation, it was very helpful. I've asked many cowboys to explain the difference in bits to me, but their arrogance generally begins where their knowledge ends. Many thanks folks!
Still the best everytime I watch
I have just discovered your videos! I love your style and such a great amount of respect for your years of practical knowledge. I have discovered the Jaquima and have been learning and riding my horses in them as I am truly a fan of soft feel and am thrilled when I watch a handy rider working an animal. Do you have any videos that show your methods training with the bosal. Thank-you.......you make me chuckle with every video!
Follow the videos of Chinaco. He’s just starting in the bosal.
Where do I find one of those solid moutpiece bits mentioned at about 9:38?
The Missing Link Snaffle is on our website: www.thedisciplinedride.com/store
Thanks for another great video, learning a lot through them and I appreciate the time you take to make them.
I would love to learn more one making a hackmore horse if you need more video ideas.
You have an excellent knowledge of bits. I'll be recommending your video to a few friends who are getting terrible advice from a local "trainer" who puts every horse in a twisted wire snaffle. In my opinion twisted wire doesn't belong in a horse's mouth and if you feel a need to use on on any horse you are not a trainer and not a horseman.
Suscribed and liked! Thank You Both. Very Educational and Entertaining. Many Blessings 🙇♂️🙏
This explains so much!! Thank you! Spade bits are pretty much unheard of down here in Florida but I’m interested in buying one. If it isn’t too much of a hassle would you mind making a video about the best bit and spur makers and which ones you recommended. GRACIAS! ❤️
Jess Flowers Tom Balding Bits and Spurs out of Sheridan Wyoming is incredible. You can find him on Facebook or Instagram I’m sure.
Garcia bit and spurs out of Elko nv
Please don't use a spade bit with your horse. It's unnecessary and severe
Hi -- I could be wrong and forgive me if I am, but being "interested in buying one" (a spade bit) sounds like you don't already have a horse that goes in a spade. And it sounds like you think it's just another bit to try. Developing a bridle horse in the vaquero tradition (e.g., riding a horse in a spade) takes years and is something that very few horsemen and horses ever master. You need a horseman to teach you and you need a horse that is up to that style of riding. If spades are pretty much unheard of where you live, then you might have a hard time finding a mentor. But there is a lot of material about it online (articles, videos). Skill- and knowledge-wise this is way beyond me, but I love learning about it.
Just found your channel the other day. Good stuff. I come from a ranching background myself and find that folks with practical ways may not fit so well with our show horse neighbors
Good video-need more people to watch these-I see far too many people who think a straight or any kind of bit is the answer for their horse when in fact they are not well broke and these people do not have any idea how to ride with eyes and seat--worse of all is I see people at sorting events that could not ride one handed if their life depended on it-so why why why!!! Is there a shank bit in the horses mouth-uneducated riders-I put hundreds of hours on a horse before a shank ever is in the mouth-but it is a true joy to ride straight up and collected on a soft educated capable horse--not rocket science but knowledge and time time time!! Is necessary-there are no shortcuts--here in Ontario Canada there are few horses like mine-and when one who is trained and rides like mine comes up for sale-people will not pay up because they are just plain ignorant of the time effort dedication that it takes to make a horse! And if they did pay up-they do not know how to handle them-I have purchased the horse no-one could ride-but they rode fine in a good bit and were lighter than light when I bought them--rider skills are just as important as the well schooled horse!!
I'm alittle.... anti bit. I feel if you're a good enough rider and can communicate with your horse properly all you need is a halter. And you ride so amazing you don't need a bit! But well different opinions just my 2 cents. Love the videos by the way!! Keep them coming
They all look like torture devices because that’s what they are.
Well.. you could also look at it as.. if you're a good rider and have good hands.. you can ride a horse in any bit?? Just showing another perspective.
I'm a kind of a middle of the road person... usually just use a low port curb or a 2 or 3 piece Snafflebit... ring or shank depending on my horse and the day. I can ride 2 of my horses from bridleless to a high port or cathedral and anything in between. 😊🐴
@Life With Horses TV everyone thinks they are a good rider with soft hands. This is the problem. I just had an experienced rider come and ride on of my horses. She says the whole time this horse is pretty soft. (The horse is not by the way.) I pointed out to her that the fiador knot was tucked under the horses jaw because she was holding on so tight. This is very common. This is why 9 out of 10 times bits are just plain old torture devices.
@@katiek.8808 Just because someone says they are experienced, doesn't mean that they are. I agree... riding bitless and/or bridleless gives you a whole other level of riding and knowledge... teaches one something new... about themselves and the horse. All I'm saying is... that if someone is really good with their hands... they should be able to ride in anything... of course depending on the horse. I trained my appy and like I said... can ride him bridleless... and have used and tried all kinds of bits on him trying to find what he liked for the show ring. He trusted me to try anything on him because he knows my hands are good. My paint horse is another one that I can ride bridleless too... but with him... I've only tried about 4 or 5 bits on him and found what he likes to show in. When showing... you do have to use a bit, so you have to learn to have soft hands. Although I'm a believer in bits... I don't agree with using bigger and bigger bits if a horse is not trained well. If a horse won't do something or is misbehaving.. going to a bigger bit is not the answer... it means you have a whole in your training somewhere. Time to go back and figure out what the horse is not understanding before you can move on.
To me, bits aren't used to bypass wholes in a training program, they are used for specific purposes and disciplines to achieve certain results.. and should be used with soft hands... which unfortunately some people don't have.
And like I said... even though in the past, I've tried the high ports and cathedrals and spoons to see what they did and their purpose... I'm a middle of the road bit user... I usually use a 3 piece ring snaffle, a 2 piece shank snaffle, a 3 pieces shank snaffle, a curb bit and a bosal... those are the main things I ride in. :)
@Life With Horses TV that’s great however you are the exception. I don’t hate bit users. It’s just bits should be for for seriously experienced people and very well trained horses(which begs the question why use them anyways). Bits should be found in the show pen(which is still unnecessary) not your average trail rider.
Always informative and do enjoy the history lessons, I am always trying to be a better cowhand and a better horseman.
Thank you
Medicine Hat
Alberta
OMG. I’ve watched this video at least five times and I just now realized what Pat meant by a correction bit being a collection bit!! I always thought he meant collection as in a horse being collected (I know, makes no sense but that’s all I could come up with). Now I realize he meant people collect them. And I can see why. There are so many variations people probably keep buying different versions, searching for the best one.
I liked it,from New Zealand 🙂
I don't even ride or have a hourse dnd I liked it and subscribed. Good job!
I wish I could have a one on one lessons from you, or you come to Raymond, Maine on Sebago Lake! You remind me of my dad with straight foward knowledge
Good job Sir. I really enjoy your videos.
Hi cowboy! Enjoyed your video..
Yolie Robledo👍
Pat, if you have or come across a really good spade bit horse do you think you could make a video doing a little demonstration of what you might consider a "finished" Bridle Horse? I think it would help me understand the progression better. Seeing everything all put together.
We have so many videos that you can often just do a search with the words Pat Puckett and whatever subject you’re curious about such as Bridle Horse. Here are a few of the results from the search I did:
ruclips.net/video/LlVc9j4MS1Q/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/PAlXtdfYRkc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/mHFL6QkDwU8/видео.html
We also have a dvd on our website called The Art of the Bridle Horse:
www.thedisciplinedride.com/store
@@PatnDebPuckett okay thank you so so much.
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us. I was wondering where can I get the solid mouth peace with the cricket?
You can buy the Missing Link Snaffle on our website: www.thedisciplinedride.com/store . Thank you!
Enjoyed this Pat. Thanks. Was wondering what your thoughts are concerning the shape of the roof of a horse's mouth in regards to a spade bit.
If the spade is 4 1/2 inches a tall, I’m not concerned about it. That makes it extend far enough into the horse’s mouth that it makes the shape of the spoon irrelevant. Another thing to remember is that we only want ONE finger between the horse’s jaw and the curb strap. This eliminates the possibility of the spoon turning over in the horse’s mouth.
@@PatnDebPuckett Thank you.
have you ever worked in a bosal? in young and still learning when it comes to training. I found my horses is much more responsive to pressure on the nose over pressure in the mouth. I worked on this old horse for months in a snaffle to get a half decent stop out of him, i tried a hackamore by chance and he is a new horse for me.
The bosal, for us, is reserved for young horses that are on their way to becoming spade bit horses. Chinaco will go into the bosal and won’t ever have a bit in his mouth prior to the spade bit.
You are so right on the mark. What a breath of fresh air. I use mullen mouths, spanish bits, and side pulls. Where do you get the mullen with the cricket?
Another goodern!!
Like to know more about the solid snaffle ????
Scott Johnson it’s Pat’s invention. Available through our website, http:/thedisciplinedride.com...
@@PatnDebPuckett thanks gone to the site!
@@PatnDebPuckett aint gonna lie i was kinda admiring the grill. Lol
Could you clarify the "purchase" I could not see where pat's thumb went. Thank you in advance.
Sure like that solid mouth snaffle with the cricket. Always felt that mullen mouth style was as gentle as you could get but the cricket is a great addition.
So informative, thank you so much.
Thank you nicely presented, I'm kind of sorry I sold my silver bits, but I really had no need for them anymore. I still have one half breed, but the shanks are curved more like US Calvary bit but less sweep a bit straighter.
Dear mr puckett, I can't Express how much I truly enjoyed your videos. Unfortunately, I have not been able to ride for quite a few years, so I get my horse "fix" through youtubers like yourself . Please keep up the good work. One question please, here in Missouri and southern Illinois, we used a plain curb bit. Your thoughts on those please.
Buenissimo!🤗 Gracias for sharing, what do you think about a Salinas monthpiece? Wonder to put on my horse when he is ready for it with a Santa Barbara.
A Salinas is too wide. We prefer a half breed with no cover.
Talking of Australia, just got myself a Peewee solid bar snaffle. Excellent piece of equipment. Talks black and white. Also very interested in bosal and eventual use of pencil bosal and Martin Black and all that trad stuff.. Bbq looks the biz.
Maybe my last comment on this video. Maybe not. Before I say this I want to be clear that I’m not one of those people who thinks bits are cruel. I have Pat’s snaffle and am very glad to have found it. My issue is with spade bits. It seems like the only way for a horse to be “comfortable” in a spade bit is if he carries his head at an angle that allows the spoon to lay flat against the tongue. I do understand that a “comfortable” angle for a warmblood is different from a “comfortable” angle for a QH. But seems like comfortable is a relative term. Yes the horse can set his head in a certain way to avoid discomfort but it’s not comfortable for a horse or a person to maintain a specific position for a long time. We all need to be able to move around continually to keep from getting stiff or sore. So that’s my concern - that it has to be very hard on a horse to maintain a headset that keeps the bit from being uncomfortable. I used to think that the intense collection and vertical headset of dressage riding was tough on horses and it’s clearly hard work. But dressage horses don’t have to maintain that frame for hours at a time because they get frequent breaks on a loose rein and the curb bit has a low port so they can relax with the bit in their mouths. Bridle horses get no relief unless the bridle is literally removed from the horse’s head. Would be interested in Pat’s thoughts on this.
As you said, a bridle horse has to work all day and spends much of that day on a loose rein covering country. So here’s how it works: when the horse is carrying it’s head in what we’ll call a neutral position with no collection, there is no pressure in the horse’s mouth and the spoon is laying (not pushing) on the horse’s tongue. Now when the rider picks up the reins, the spoon comes off the tongue slightly (the properly adjusted curb strap keeps it from contacting the roof of the horse’s mouth) and that is the signal for the horse to gather itself up into collection and tip his nose in. The rider then asks the horse to do whatever little job is at hand, work a gate, change speed or direction, move laterally, etc. Once the job is done, the rein goes slack and the horse continues on its way. The angle of the spoon is customized for each horse so that he can carry his head in a natural position both with and without collection. For example, the Andalusian would get a steeper angle to the spoon than a quarter horse. The spade bit is a SIGNAL bit. That means that ideally there should be no leverage used. The height of the spoon and the looseness of the jaw allows for a wide range of minute signals. Contrast that to the actual leverage caused by a lower port bit with a curb strap. This is not to say that the curb strap is not a necessary part of the multiple signals produced by a spade bit. But the signal aspect of a spade is the main source of communication and not the leverage caused by the curb strap as it is in low port bits. So your premise that a spade bit horse is in “discomfort” if he’s not in collection is not correct. He’s just carrying the spade around in his mouth. He can pick it up when he has to do a job that requires speed and he can just let it hang in his mouth when he’s just covering country. Thank you for your well thought out question. We will make a video covering this subject when and if we ever get out of Australia!
@@PatnDebPuckett Wow that helps a LOT. I know I"m not getting it 100%, but one of these days I will. One of the things you mentioned that I didn't realize is that headstalls fitted with a spade bit have curb straps. Being signal bits, as opposed to leverage bits, I thought perhaps they didn't have curb straps at all. I would love to see a video on this. I'm thinking that maybe you being stuck in Australia is one reason why you had time to write that wonderful long response. I really appreciate it. Stay safe.
You are correct! We were sitting in a hotel room under lock down waiting on our flight home. We made it back to the US finally and now we’re in self quarantine at home which is pretty normal for us. To clarify one more thing, Pat has done slow speed demonstrations on his spade bit horse without a curb strap to make the point that the spade is a signal bit. He would NEVER go without the curb strap under everyday working conditions because it keeps the spoon from turning over in the horse’s mouth. When he’s chasing a cow at a high rate of speed, he might need to take a hold of the horse to rate her and going without a curb strap would be unwise. We’ll make a video on this subject in the coming week or so. Thank you again for keeping an open mind on this subject and being genuinely curious...
Very good information. Thanks
Thanks a lot for this piece of culture ! I am an dressage trainer form germany