I really love the fact Vadic is portrayed as more than just a generic villain. Every DC movie/comic/whatever would just have gone ahead and said "yeah, she's evil, she has evil plans, she has an evil boss, therefore she's the villain. End of story" - but the way she was presented, told her background story, her origin...you've got quite some sympathy for her. And I noticed the struggle of Picard wanting to find a peaceful solution for everything, but knowing very well she's gone WAY too deep into the waters of endless hatred. Material that can devastate someone who technically does the right thing, as there's not THE right thing anymore. Very good villain!
No I hate that. I don’t want fell sorry for the bad guy. Stop humanizing evil. Just stop, stop. It’s this same BS that causing DA’s to release violent criminals. The sob story means. I don’t want hear it.
Great and concise review. So many other people can't seem to get out of their own way and will nitpick every little thing. Missing the forest for the trees. Is it perfect? Not even a bit. But it sure has been a great and entertaining last season.
I really felt for Vadic when it showed Starfleet experimenting on her. That was horrible and I completely get her side. I was shocked that Picard, even after that, was quite happy to kill her. In fact I was saying out loud "Jean Luc, no!"
Poor Shaw getting nearly killed again. Nice that they were hiding in the Chin toka system where 2 big battles happened. No idea yet what Jack is but we will find out. My moment of the episode is Geordie trying to break through to Data and Data's eventual win for now over control of the Golem. :D
There's just one thing that's been nagging at me since watching this episode. Your captain just fell out of the turbolift onto the bridge. Why did everyone stare at him, and not _one_ of them, not even the Vulcan, thought to look behind him to see if he had been _pushed?_
"This was an emotionally charged episode of dark themes and tense moments done very well." Ah yes, the emotionally charged, tense Star Trek. The good old feelings of dread, anxiety and the inability of seeing what the hell is going on.
@@FeeriiEekii The issue is tone and aesthetic. I really don't want to be assaulted by spinning cameras and dark corridors with psychedelic lights every 2.5 seconds. All while people scream, are having panic attacks or trying to provoke one in the viewer. Star Trek is not that, never has been.
The "tortures" endured by Vadic were similar to the method employed by Dr Mobra on Odo when the former was trying to determine what the latter was when he was first found and was unaware that Odo was sentient (at first). And like Odo, Vadic chose to emulate her "mother".
I also don’t think Picard and Beverly really wanted to kill Vadic, there was an off screen plan earlier and we heard them discuss killing her in earshot of Vadic. Shooting at her was purely for show in-universe as well as IRL I’d say.
Vadic isn't talking to changeling superior's ... That floating head is something else. It mocks her liquid form and talks like it is forcing her to complete the mission to find Jack. This is Picards final adventure ... the climax to his whole story. There is no way his final foe will be just some changelings. A race who weren't even in TNG. My guess is they are being controlled and enslaved by the Borg.
I don't see how they could possibly get the ENTIRE fleet to gather for Frontier day. I just can't see how that'd be feasible in a number of ways. Federation worlds need to be patrolled and supplied regularly, not to mention the patrolling of their borders. Also, it'd be just asking for any enemies to attack on various fronts with no Starfleet ships being in range to defend.
@@christopherluke9658 I just figured they didn't mean the *entire* fleet literally, just a good amount of ships. Or maybe just one of the fleets, like the first, second etc, but who knows 😅
More foolish orders have been given, especially in nominal peacetime. Nobody's put together all the pieces to notice the sheer number of dumb Fleetwide orders, because why would they? Each one was probably greeted with rolled eyes and a muttered curse at the deskbound PADD-pushers at Command.
Yeah. Remember when Weyoun was like "We have to eradicate its population (of Earth). And even Dukat was like "umm, no?" The casual nature of Weyouns comment says they absolutely have several genocides on their hands. 0 sympathy for Vadic
When Jack was able to link with others, at first just reading thoughts but then almost syncing up with Sydney, i started to wonder since we are told in DS9 that changelings evolved. what if they are recognizing this is the beginning stages of humans evolving their own version of the great link, one that doesn't require being in one place and melded together, that would surly be something the changelings would want to adapt into their own great link of possible as not only would it enhance them but if humans were allowed to evolve like this it would make the an even greater threat in their eyes as they would gain some of what makes changelings so effective in communicating and planning
It's Krell technology all along, monsters of the Id, hopefully Klaatu will come along soon and sort it all out. Anyway will we finally discover that Gordon's alive in the final episode?
I have absolutely not a shred of sympathy for Vadic. She and her crew are Founders. What she experienced was child’s play to what the Founders do on a daily basis. See specifically the Quickening Plague (DS9 04x23).
That, however, does not justify torturing and tormenting them in return. The Federation is supposed to be _better_ than its enemies, not just more powerful.
Neither does Picard it would seem. Generally I think having a bit of sympathy for everyone is a good idea. And well that is why I used to like Star Trek.
@@DeaconBlues117 Federation and Starfleet will absolutely choose survival above everything else, that's why the endless champion of things like the prime directive, etc is hypocrite. Without the changelings disease or the subterfuge to get the Romulans onboard, they probably would have lost...
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Maybe the Titan is about to be destroyed by enemy-controlled starships, only for the USS Enterprise appearing, hailing the titan is the Enterprises temporary captain, Adm. Janeway (as in, come on, she's missing in the series from appearances..)
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Wasn't Lal, or one of Data's other kids said to be in the golem too? But after the frame was described as Lore and Data mostly supplemented by B-4 and their creator?
I don’t think so. The show runners are skirting the past two seasons and hanging lanterns on anything they can’t get around. Or at least I hope not, I’m not happy with what was done with the Borg and I think it is just too messy to throw in the last three episodes. Personally I think they missed an opportunity for ally Borg in the first season when Seven connected to the derelict cube and awakened the drones. It would have also be very interesting to see Seven commanding a federation Borg cube with a crew of both collective drones and those who have been given their individuality back, working to free the rest. Imagine a cube crewed with 1000’s of Seven of Nine like people. Sorry fanboy fiction.
She brings up how the Federation went straight to genocide, when they themselves unleashed "The Quickening" as a punishment for not bowing to the Dominion.
... since the ending is already in the can, as they say, I would have liked to have Spices 8271 come into play, since they had attempted to copy Starfleet Academy and it's inhabitants, and assist Starfleet rid of the Dominion assault ...
How did Vadic and the other Changelings get captured in the first place? That seems to be a glaring plot hole since the likelihood of even one being captured much less half a dozen+ is fairly low. I thought it would have been more interesting to have Vadic been one of the 100 sent out to see how they would be treated and for her to show an alternate perspective to the Great Link than what Odo provided at the end of the Dominion War. Plus, I feel that this could have been a great way to bring Laas back into the story for the same purpose.
I don't think it's a plot hole. Section 31 has proven resourceful and they could have found a way to just scan for them on a planetary scale. They have tech star fleet proper does not. During the episode "paradise lost" we learned there were 6 on earth not including Odo. This was also the time when Odo was infected so they obviously already captured at least one. It may seem like a plot hole because Sisko and the DS9 crew didn't know about it. However S31 wouldn't have even told them, why would they? S31 was probably hoping the coup by Admiral Layton was successful.
I remember there was a changeling infiltration at Mars and antares shipyards . ( sabotage) during the war . ( at the same time ) they were successful. Its possible they were captured in the process. ?
The large number is a little surprising, but ever since DS9 I've been assuming that S31 had secret changeling test subjects - how else would they have developed the virus?
It's no wonder how Vadic found an enemy in Starfleet, seeing as Starfleet comitted numerous warcrimes, crimes against their own federation and attempted genocide against the changelings. It's strange, in previous series we've all come to expect the Dominion as the "bad guys", but seeing from Picard series, the ugly side of Starfleet rears itself, maybe simply, Starfleet had a better security-net for detecting possible dominion plots against Starfleet.
It wouldn’t be genocide to use that created weapon on actual combatants. That part doesn’t make sense unless they went after affected changelings that were not going after Starfleet.
Jack is acting like that white webbing creature that connected to Captain Archer and some of his crew in Enterprise it kept connecting and growing to become connected entity again til they returned it to it's home planet in that one episode the Vox Sola named after the episode his visions see red variant of that too it was freaky but he is exhibiting behavior like that creature did but on a higher level he could be a advanced augment one of the first and more advanced psychic connections as well Jack could be also the Destroyer the opposite of a traveller only a theory but very sound one.
I'm kind of hating the idea that those renegade Changlings were tortured into being that way. What ever happened with bad guys who are just being EVIL for the sake of EVIL?
Here's what I'm wondering: Does the actual Dominion tacitly approve of what the splinter group is attempting to do to Starfleet, and thusly the Federation, just waiting to see what will happen first? You'd think they wouldn't just let Odo warn Worf, and leave it at that? 🤨
You know you raise a good point there. They may not condone it but I feel that they would not interfere with it in case of their success. Odo rejoined the great link doesn't mean that he leads the great link. I feel that's something a lot of people think.
Kinda like how some people were a minor inconvenience to the Androids was used to justify the attempted murder of a Galaxy of beings, Again the changeling says burn it all down due to a war crime. I doubt it would make her feel better but Humans and humanoids one would expect had done way worse than that to their own people.... heck Star Trek Prodigy had an example of that.
I wonder if Vaddick is actually an amalgam of the remains of more than one changeling, thus her scars and her talking to her own severed hand, as just like Data, she is many in one body and it is not a peaceful union. And Jack we well?
Don’t feel bad I believed it was tuvok also…. My theory on things is that the changlings like vadik absorb their hosts to hold their form and thus tuvok is alive inside tuat changling. And this is the reason why they needed the picards vody because tue way they duplicate requires full absorption and thus they need picards full body to do the proper dna replication required for frontier day Thoughts?
@@acarrillo8277 I think that changing was a normal changing. Remember, he had a bucket and we know normal changlings are part of this; remeber the one worf and raffi found who couldn’t hold his form. My theory is that there are two groups of changlings that are part of this. Some are willing to convert and others aren’t. I know they found that guy’s body but I also could see that the show runners would need to have that body for people to understand what was going on early in the season.
@@acarrillo8277 also, how is it going to explain to tuvok? Is he dead now and they killed Tom Russ off screen? I think was gonna happen if the very end is at the change lanes are going to let go of the people that they’re in the ones that are this new type of changling and that will make it so that things can go back to normal quickly
@@acarrillo8277 and I think this is why the boss changling is so disgusted with her type of change green because in essence, they are solid acting as a parasite which from how founders acted in ds9 would find disgusting. I really think the main bad guy is laas from ds9 he hated solids and I could see him doing this because remeber he wanted to find other chsnglings. I confidence in the main bad guy being laas is far less than my absorption theory
Something about Jack's condition just occurred to me, it's reminding me of Beverly and Picard's connection in the one TNG episode, perhaps it's related to that? He is their child after all.
Of course now that Picard is actually getting good they're not doing any more. Of fooking course! They ought to just forget about seasons 1 and 2 and consider this the actual start of the show and go from here.
Reviewers who’ve seen all 10 episodes say the Borg aren’t the big bad, neither are the Pah Wraith. Honestly if it’s some more Section 31 “we were the bad guys all along” nonsense after such good acting and filmmaking all season I’ll be seriously disappointed.
Hum.. did Vadic not say "she" gained the ability to transfer her shape shifting abilities to others. Through something like biological Borg nanoprobes. Maybe she is not a changling after all but a altered human.
dude shifting into a borg looking riker is a very telling sign to me, also Plummers speech was bloody amazing and dont even get me started on Levar's acting
I think you missed an important part of plot development with Vadic meeting with her superior, which I don't believe is a changeling due to the insults and shade thrown her way in the conversation. Rewatch and I think the big bad is just supplying the changeling faction for their mutual goals. Could be a Reman or a Romulan or ExBorg/current borg etc, even Picard's doppelganger, Shinzon from Remus ??? but I believe the person using the changelings has had 20 years to plan their perfect way to get back at Picard and fam....starfleet etc. By using them (the fleet) against him/fam. Picard's son is probably the key to extending his life and mimicking picard and controlling the zombie Picard's body. Plus...the Remans had telepathic powers....perhaps they had a hand in helping with Jack's creation the last time Beverly and Picard danced. The latent nanoprobes and some remixed DNA may be giving him rapidly developing powers for which he was created for. They don't really need him by frontier day but it's the best opportunity to take over the combined fleet for some nefarious reason. Just 2 cents from a different perspective. Any thoughts??
Either that, a budding Borg 'royalty', able to establish nanite neural links, but not able to manifest implants (Borg 'Infiltrator' unit?) ..Now that ends up making me think a Changeling/Borg hybrid would basically just be the T-1000..
They kill off data then bring him back this will be the 3rd time as a amalgum of Data Lore B4 and Lal. I mean we don't know who is going to die who is going to come back and it seems like anyone could die at any point and Is Picard's son a Paw Wraith? Where is the Sisko?
I don't think they missed every shot. The first few seemed to hit, but like with the other big changling (her #1), they seem to be more resilient. Hope they explain this.
@@JimmyCerranot really she was in a cage. And he doesn’t “approve of it” he just “approved” it. Slight difference but still more mirror darkly than prime timeline.
Hue. Wasn't a bad episode, but unless his visor had part of his memory, and Picard lost some during the body swap...no one remembers considering weaponizing the guy that was also in the 1st Season of this Series? Ok.
Star Trek writers keep making the mistake not letting a dead character stay dead. You can't have an emotionally gripping death scene in a franchise that keeps resurrecting people as a plot crutch.
Vadiks backstory is lame so far - i was rather hoping this would be something caused by one or some of "The 200" that were sent into space, either acting out against the Dominion or- enacting the Dominions will/plans to 'One Up' those who sent them out and didnt care if they returned
So I'm gonna be really really petty here on nu-Trek up to this point... Did anyone else notice the bridge officer that got straight up vaporized and how nobody started bursting into tears and crying out in anguish and swearing revenge on the Bridge? I mean, yeah Shaw was crying but he got his ass beat in the turbolift pretty bad so I'm thinking it's more due to that. I bring it up because in Nu-Trek, especially Discovery, if anyone got hurt or killed on the bridge the other officers would absolutely lose their shit with emotion wheras on classic Trek a dude could end up dying in torture and the most the Captain would do is raise their voice. At least until the crisis had passed. I dunno. I couldn't help but notice how things are different when Kurtzman isn't in charge creatively :P Also, the origin of Vadik was interesting but it doesn't explain the Face, or why she has to cut it off as if it's a seperate part of her. My theory is that the Face is the part of Vadik that refuses to take the shape of a solid - the one hell-bent on revenge, and Vadik is the part of her that still might be negotiated with, but she's essentially the meat-puppet for the Face. That is, Vadik has DiD thanks to her torture. Or.... the Face is an alien entity altogether... I dunno.
I only watch this season of Picard for nostalgia. It's barely palatable. Anyone who thinks this signals Trek returning to its greatness...well, I have some property in the Great Link you might be interested in.
@@raze3297 No, the loss is that it's mediocre at best. I'm watching it, but it's first season TNG...at best. Anyone who says otherwise is settling for this out of nostalgia or enjoys the abominations that passes for Trek over the past 5 years. There is all kinds of terrible writing going on in this season and some fans are willing to put up with it for the sake of nostalgia and watching their heroes ride out one last time.
Oh no 😯. Other people like a thing that I hate. *Gasps* sorry other commoners don't have the same incredible standards for writing you have, lordship. we'll continue to like this thing you Don't like.
@@Bitchslapper316 Yes, I am. It wasn't great, but at least it was consistent and respected canon. This show is heavy on easter eggs and fan service, but plays fast and loose with canon and characters. A few examples of bad writing: Riker would never say, on the bridge, in front of the crew..."You've killed us all." This was purely for dramatic effect. Writing dialogue for characters that they would never say just to heighten the scene. A systemic writing problem repeated on a number of occasions throughout this season. It's lazy writing. Another example. Half the main characters are constantly hammering the audience with how amazing Geordi's daughter is. Please like her audience, we want to do a spin off with her. It's obvious and distracting. Another example. Shaw, a captain. You know, the "he commands not just a spaceship, but a starship. A very special vessel and crew" captain. He is not only written as unlikable, he's incompetent. Jellico was unlikable, but at least he was competent. Shaw doesn't have to be the worst captain in Starfleet. He makes Captain John "It will be ready on Tuesday" Harriman look like Kirk. This is another systemic writing problem. Making one character look good, Seven, at the expense of another character. These writers can't seem to do one without the other. I can go on, but my point is that these characters are shadows of themselves, because the writers aren't all that good. You're free to like it all you want, but the writing is very mediocre.
Vadic to Jack: "Hello. Huh, I thought you'd be taller."
Shinzon to Picard: "I always imagined you'd be a little taller. Isnt that odd?"
Vadic is fantastic. Her easy throw aways I love. "What do you want with my son?"
"Me? Nothing." The genuine look of confusion is fab.
My favorite scene was when Geordi is pleading with Data/Lore for help, and showing how much Data meant to Geordi. It was beautiful
We've seen very similar multiple times
Nemesis definitely downplayed Geordi's grief. My tears went out when I saw he expressed all those towards Data.
If tuvok doesnt survive we riot
Tim Russ said he’d be in another episode so probably he’ll return as real Tuvok in the finale
He will return for starfleet day
It’s fine, Janeway can just fudge the timeline again.
he survives,becausre vadic says " when we are done with him" which means they are not currently done with him.
@@backupplan6058if she could do that with all of Picard that would be great.
I really love the fact Vadic is portrayed as more than just a generic villain. Every DC movie/comic/whatever would just have gone ahead and said "yeah, she's evil, she has evil plans, she has an evil boss, therefore she's the villain. End of story" - but the way she was presented, told her background story, her origin...you've got quite some sympathy for her. And I noticed the struggle of Picard wanting to find a peaceful solution for everything, but knowing very well she's gone WAY too deep into the waters of endless hatred. Material that can devastate someone who technically does the right thing, as there's not THE right thing anymore.
Very good villain!
No I hate that. I don’t want fell sorry for the bad guy. Stop humanizing evil. Just stop, stop.
It’s this same BS that causing DA’s to release violent criminals. The sob story means. I don’t want hear it.
Tuvok better not be dead, he needs to be there in 2409.
The scene where Geordi tries to get through the Data, is the best one of the series. We waited 20 years to see Geordi's reaction to Data's death. ❤
Great and concise review. So many other people can't seem to get out of their own way and will nitpick every little thing. Missing the forest for the trees. Is it perfect? Not even a bit. But it sure has been a great and entertaining last season.
I really felt for Vadic when it showed Starfleet experimenting on her.
That was horrible and I completely get her side. I was shocked that Picard, even after that, was quite happy to kill her.
In fact I was saying out loud "Jean Luc, no!"
Poor Shaw getting nearly killed again. Nice that they were hiding in the Chin toka system where 2 big battles happened. No idea yet what Jack is but we will find out. My moment of the episode is Geordie trying to break through to Data and Data's eventual win for now over control of the Golem. :D
There's just one thing that's been nagging at me since watching this episode.
Your captain just fell out of the turbolift onto the bridge. Why did everyone stare at him, and not _one_ of them, not even the Vulcan, thought to look behind him to see if he had been _pushed?_
"This was an emotionally charged episode of dark themes and tense moments done very well."
Ah yes, the emotionally charged, tense Star Trek. The good old feelings of dread, anxiety and the inability of seeing what the hell is going on.
Almost like SNW with the baby Gorn. Was as dark and dreary.
I see everything fine (for context: I'm watching via Skyshowtime in Europe on a QLED 65"), and yes, a bit of tension helps to tell the story.
@@FeeriiEekii The issue is tone and aesthetic. I really don't want to be assaulted by spinning cameras and dark corridors with psychedelic lights every 2.5 seconds. All while people scream, are having panic attacks or trying to provoke one in the viewer. Star Trek is not that, never has been.
@@aurex8937 This episode (and the whole season so far) has none of the things you describe, I'm guessing you haven't watched it
@@FeeriiEekii You're both blind and deaf?
The "tortures" endured by Vadic were similar to the method employed by Dr Mobra on Odo when the former was trying to determine what the latter was when he was first found and was unaware that Odo was sentient (at first). And like Odo, Vadic chose to emulate her "mother".
Nope. They were POW's and section 31 didn't care.
I also don’t think Picard and Beverly really wanted to kill Vadic, there was an off screen plan earlier and we heard them discuss killing her in earshot of Vadic. Shooting at her was purely for show in-universe as well as IRL I’d say.
Excellent breakdown as always, Ric!
Many fans observed the different Tuvoc, the ears was a dead giveaway.
Vadic isn't talking to changeling superior's ... That floating head is something else. It mocks her liquid form and talks like it is forcing her to complete the mission to find Jack.
This is Picards final adventure ... the climax to his whole story. There is no way his final foe will be just some changelings. A race who weren't even in TNG.
My guess is they are being controlled and enslaved by the Borg.
Kirk: "Khan was an awful threat."
Spock: "Khan was an existential threat."
Starfleet Intelligence: "Let's make Changeling versions of him!"
This should have been S1 of Picard
I don't see how they could possibly get the ENTIRE fleet to gather for Frontier day. I just can't see how that'd be feasible in a number of ways. Federation worlds need to be patrolled and supplied regularly, not to mention the patrolling of their borders. Also, it'd be just asking for any enemies to attack on various fronts with no Starfleet ships being in range to defend.
Yeah the writers have no idea what the federation even is
@@christopherluke9658 I just figured they didn't mean the *entire* fleet literally, just a good amount of ships. Or maybe just one of the fleets, like the first, second etc, but who knows 😅
More foolish orders have been given, especially in nominal peacetime. Nobody's put together all the pieces to notice the sheer number of dumb Fleetwide orders, because why would they? Each one was probably greeted with rolled eyes and a muttered curse at the deskbound PADD-pushers at Command.
So, logically, it will not be ALL the ships.
yea i just assumed they meant all the major ships in the fleet and all the cali classes and the like are operating as normal
Isn't Starfleet aware that Picard is now a robot? How does the DNA screening matter if it's for Picard's original body?
It's a red herring. Picard said that to remind the audience that changlings can't pass a DNA test.
He is not a fucking robot, JFC
Surely Picard and everyone else should be aware that his speculation makes no sense?
Given how brutal the founders were, its hard to feel sorry for vadic as a victim
Yeah. Remember when Weyoun was like "We have to eradicate its population (of Earth). And even Dukat was like "umm, no?" The casual nature of Weyouns comment says they absolutely have several genocides on their hands. 0 sympathy for Vadic
@@chuckwilliams1058 and even Weyoun was taken aback at the order to wipe out the Cardassians. "That.... may take some time...."
Yet we should try.
Who is Jack Crusher? I'll do you one better: what is Jack Crusher?
Why is Jack Crusher?
When Jack was able to link with others, at first just reading thoughts but then almost syncing up with Sydney, i started to wonder since we are told in DS9 that changelings evolved. what if they are recognizing this is the beginning stages of humans evolving their own version of the great link, one that doesn't require being in one place and melded together, that would surly be something the changelings would want to adapt into their own great link of possible as not only would it enhance them but if humans were allowed to evolve like this it would make the an even greater threat in their eyes as they would gain some of what makes changelings so effective in communicating and planning
It's Krell technology all along, monsters of the Id, hopefully Klaatu will come along soon and sort it all out. Anyway will we finally discover that Gordon's alive in the final episode?
Geordi did say goodbye to data in Nemesis! He was the one to send him off to the Scimitar by dropping the force field
I have absolutely not a shred of sympathy for Vadic. She and her crew are Founders. What she experienced was child’s play to what the Founders do on a daily basis. See specifically the Quickening Plague (DS9 04x23).
That, however, does not justify torturing and tormenting them in return. The Federation is supposed to be _better_ than its enemies, not just more powerful.
Neither does Picard it would seem. Generally I think having a bit of sympathy for everyone is a good idea. And well that is why I used to like Star Trek.
@@DeaconBlues117 As someone once said, “it’s easy to be a saint in paradise.”
@@DeaconBlues117 I agree with you and the OP. It's a nuanced situation we can all have different opinions on.
@@DeaconBlues117 Federation and Starfleet will absolutely choose survival above everything else, that's why the endless champion of things like the prime directive, etc is hypocrite. Without the changelings disease or the subterfuge to get the Romulans onboard, they probably would have lost...
Remember Beverly and geordie designed a virus that would destroy the borg . But picard ultimately said no . ( and got in trouble with starfleet)
do you think that touch in the elevator gave Jack ability to control La Forge's body? nanites or virus?
Why is Jack running around with an old style phaser?
For a few years now I've been watching your videos for star trek online as I have not been able to play it much myself. I love the way you narratively approach each of your episodes for the stories. I love your recaps of this season of Picard. Not much of a point to my comment other than to say I appreciate what you do. And a question? your accent I'm having a hard time placing, and I don't know why cause usually I'm good at that. Honestly I can't tell if its British or Scottish but I have a feeling it's neither. Either way it doesn't matter. I'm just curious. Either way I do love your videos and watch them often. Looking Forward to the next one.
Not so much “who is jack?” And more “what is jack?”
Maybe the Titan is about to be destroyed by enemy-controlled starships, only for the USS Enterprise appearing, hailing the titan is the Enterprises temporary captain, Adm. Janeway (as in, come on, she's missing in the series from appearances..)
Heyo! I just discovered the channel and I really like the way you present the material. Have you ever considered covering Starfinder? the TTRPG by Paizo.
Wasn't Lal, or one of Data's other kids said to be in the golem too? But after the frame was described as Lore and Data mostly supplemented by B-4 and their creator?
I notice they are still running with the Secret Hideout take on Section 31.
Would jack the be the first child born from a person that has been de-borged? What if that’s where the hive mind powers come from
I don’t think so. The show runners are skirting the past two seasons and hanging lanterns on anything they can’t get around. Or at least I hope not, I’m not happy with what was done with the Borg and I think it is just too messy to throw in the last three episodes.
Personally I think they missed an opportunity for ally Borg in the first season when Seven connected to the derelict cube and awakened the drones. It would have also be very interesting to see Seven commanding a federation Borg cube with a crew of both collective drones and those who have been given their individuality back, working to free the rest. Imagine a cube crewed with 1000’s of Seven of Nine like people. Sorry fanboy fiction.
@@Beanbeeb if it is just that pure then yes. Locutus of Borg is probably the single highest threat you could bring to bear.
She brings up how the Federation went straight to genocide, when they themselves unleashed "The Quickening" as a punishment for not bowing to the Dominion.
Anybody else see an ensigns log tie in. Her hand is the same species as baby.
Excellent Review 👍
Only thing I can cry about was the poor ass lighting in some of the scenes.
... since the ending is already in the can, as they say, I would have liked to have Spices 8271 come into play, since they had attempted to copy Starfleet Academy and it's inhabitants, and assist Starfleet rid of the Dominion assault ...
How did Vadic and the other Changelings get captured in the first place? That seems to be a glaring plot hole since the likelihood of even one being captured much less half a dozen+ is fairly low.
I thought it would have been more interesting to have Vadic been one of the 100 sent out to see how they would be treated and for her to show an alternate perspective to the Great Link than what Odo provided at the end of the Dominion War. Plus, I feel that this could have been a great way to bring Laas back into the story for the same purpose.
I don't think it's a plot hole. Section 31 has proven resourceful and they could have found a way to just scan for them on a planetary scale. They have tech star fleet proper does not.
During the episode "paradise lost" we learned there were 6 on earth not including Odo. This was also the time when Odo was infected so they obviously already captured at least one.
It may seem like a plot hole because Sisko and the DS9 crew didn't know about it. However S31 wouldn't have even told them, why would they? S31 was probably hoping the coup by Admiral Layton was successful.
I remember there was a changeling infiltration at Mars and antares shipyards . ( sabotage) during the war . ( at the same time ) they were successful. Its possible they were captured in the process. ?
What plot hole? 😂 There are any number of ways a highly resourceful group like Section 31 could capture Changelings.
The large number is a little surprising, but ever since DS9 I've been assuming that S31 had secret changeling test subjects - how else would they have developed the virus?
@@Novarcharesk Name one.
Amanda's dad would be proud.
Is Jack controled or has some bit of Pah Wraith in him self? It could be some Borg stuff but i kind of have Pah Wraith wibe
the question is....why is it so dark
It's no wonder how Vadic found an enemy in Starfleet, seeing as Starfleet comitted numerous warcrimes, crimes against their own federation and attempted genocide against the changelings. It's strange, in previous series we've all come to expect the Dominion as the "bad guys", but seeing from Picard series, the ugly side of Starfleet rears itself, maybe simply, Starfleet had a better security-net for detecting possible dominion plots against Starfleet.
The key word is: "Control"! IMHO the virus defeated by Empress Georgio is the Boss here! Let's see if I'm right!
The borg use nano technology. , picard may have passed it Jack via Beverly. ?
It wouldn’t be genocide to use that created weapon on actual combatants. That part doesn’t make sense unless they went after affected changelings that were not going after Starfleet.
Jack is acting like that white webbing creature that connected to Captain Archer and some of his crew in Enterprise it kept connecting and growing to become connected entity again til they returned it to it's home planet in that one episode the Vox Sola named after the episode his visions see red variant of that too it was freaky but he is exhibiting behavior like that creature did but on a higher level he could be a advanced augment one of the first and more advanced psychic connections as well Jack could be also the Destroyer the opposite of a traveller only a theory but very sound one.
I'm kind of hating the idea that those renegade Changlings were tortured into being that way.
What ever happened with bad guys who are just being EVIL for the sake of EVIL?
Here's what I'm wondering: Does the actual Dominion tacitly approve of what the splinter group is attempting to do to Starfleet, and thusly the Federation, just waiting to see what will happen first? You'd think they wouldn't just let Odo warn Worf, and leave it at that? 🤨
You know you raise a good point there. They may not condone it but I feel that they would not interfere with it in case of their success. Odo rejoined the great link doesn't mean that he leads the great link. I feel that's something a lot of people think.
Not who, but what is Jack Crusher...
Data/Lore...so, Dore or Lata? Dare? Lota?
The real question is: Who is Leebar Burton?
Kinda like how some people were a minor inconvenience to the Androids was used to justify the attempted murder of a Galaxy of beings, Again the changeling says burn it all down due to a war crime.
I doubt it would make her feel better but Humans and humanoids one would expect had done way worse than that to their own people.... heck Star Trek Prodigy had an example of that.
I wonder if Vaddick is actually an amalgam of the remains of more than one changeling, thus her scars and her talking to her own severed hand, as just like Data, she is many in one body and it is not a peaceful union. And Jack we well?
The gal of changelling complaining about genetic manipulation/ experiments, the vorta, the jem hadar etc
Exactly. They built a race of zealot drug addicts. I don’t think they get to complain.
Rick - it’s been a while.
Thanks for putting a positive spin on the review. I just can't stand how poorly its written and executed. Excruciating
Don’t feel bad I believed it was tuvok also….
My theory on things is that the changlings like vadik absorb their hosts to hold their form and thus tuvok is alive inside tuat changling.
And this is the reason why they needed the picards vody because tue way they duplicate requires full absorption and thus they need picards full body to do the proper dna replication required for frontier day
Thoughts?
No, remember that 7 found the body of the transporter officer.
@@acarrillo8277 I think that changing was a normal changing. Remember, he had a bucket and we know normal changlings are part of this; remeber the one worf and raffi found who couldn’t hold his form.
My theory is that there are two groups of changlings that are part of this. Some are willing to convert and others aren’t.
I know they found that guy’s body but I also could see that the show runners would need to have that body for people to understand what was going on early in the season.
@@acarrillo8277 also, how is it going to explain to tuvok? Is he dead now and they killed Tom Russ off screen?
I think was gonna happen if the very end is at the change lanes are going to let go of the people that they’re in the ones that are this new type of changling and that will make it so that things can go back to normal quickly
@@acarrillo8277 and I think this is why the boss changling is so disgusted with her type of change green because in essence, they are solid acting as a parasite which from how founders acted in ds9 would find disgusting.
I really think the main bad guy is laas from ds9 he hated solids and I could see him doing this because remeber he wanted to find other chsnglings.
I confidence in the main bad guy being laas is far less than my absorption theory
Something about Jack's condition just occurred to me, it's reminding me of Beverly and Picard's connection in the one TNG episode, perhaps it's related to that? He is their child after all.
It makes me wonder if it’s connected to Picards borg assimilation and the candle ghost from Beverley
@@thomasbarca9297 Its a pa'wraith
Nope, he has that same brain ailment Picard had.
Of course now that Picard is actually getting good they're not doing any more. Of fooking course!
They ought to just forget about seasons 1 and 2 and consider this the actual start of the show and go from here.
Reviewers who’ve seen all 10 episodes say the Borg aren’t the big bad, neither are the Pah Wraith. Honestly if it’s some more Section 31 “we were the bad guys all along” nonsense after such good acting and filmmaking all season I’ll be seriously disappointed.
I love it.
Hum.. did Vadic not say "she" gained the ability to transfer her shape shifting abilities to others. Through something like biological Borg nanoprobes. Maybe she is not a changling after all but a altered human.
That's the basis for the discust from the other real shape shifters. That would make jacks bio networking control thing really usefully...
Not a spoiler when we all seen the episode on Thursday.
Vadic minions are brin?
Didn't the Dominion comit genocide with the blik .. that dieses dr. Bashir cured and lectured oubout on that section 31 mission.
I don't think her superiors are changlings
Agreed. We'll see, but the comment on Vadic's biology would make more sense from a more advanced race like the Iconians or something.
dude shifting into a borg looking riker is a very telling sign to me, also Plummers speech was bloody amazing and dont even get me started on Levar's acting
Frontier Day? Really?
It was a good episode overall, but I don't buy Picard and Crusher executing a prisoner. At all.
All il say is I hate all modern trek I'd say anything later than voyager but for me this season of Picard is fukin great!
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I think you missed an important part of plot development with Vadic meeting with her superior, which I don't believe is a changeling due to the insults and shade thrown her way in the conversation. Rewatch and I think the big bad is just supplying the changeling faction for their mutual goals. Could be a Reman or a Romulan or ExBorg/current borg etc, even Picard's doppelganger, Shinzon from Remus ??? but I believe the person using the changelings has had 20 years to plan their perfect way to get back at Picard and fam....starfleet etc. By using them (the fleet) against him/fam.
Picard's son is probably the key to extending his life and mimicking picard and controlling the zombie Picard's body. Plus...the Remans had telepathic powers....perhaps they had a hand in helping with Jack's creation the last time Beverly and Picard danced. The latent nanoprobes and some remixed DNA may be giving him rapidly developing powers for which he was created for.
They don't really need him by frontier day but it's the best opportunity to take over the combined fleet for some nefarious reason.
Just 2 cents from a different perspective.
Any thoughts??
Levar Burton carried the episode
This episode has been...shall we say... predictable...gonna call jack a changeling, result of daystrom experiments and picard not being actual father
Either that, a budding Borg 'royalty', able to establish nanite neural links, but not able to manifest implants (Borg 'Infiltrator' unit?) ..Now that ends up making me think a Changeling/Borg hybrid would basically just be the T-1000..
They kill off data then bring him back this will be the 3rd time as a amalgum of Data Lore B4 and Lal. I mean we don't know who is going to die who is going to come back and it seems like anyone could die at any point and Is Picard's son a Paw Wraith? Where is the Sisko?
I don't think they missed every shot. The first few seemed to hit, but like with the other big changling (her #1), they seem to be more resilient. Hope they explain this.
Casually ignoring the Dominion's own use of biological weapons onto civilian populations.
"Who is Jack Crusher?" I don't know the answer to that but I promise that whatever it is, it's going to be stupid.
It has something to do with the Borg. Some ability or element or such passed from Locutus (Picard) to Jack.
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Picard is like a real monster in this episode. Decides to approve genocide. Then decides to execute a captive.
He doesn't approve of genocide in the episode. The decision to execute a captive is more nuanced than you suggest.
Its literally a fight for survival.
@@JimmyCerranot really she was in a cage. And he doesn’t “approve of it” he just “approved” it. Slight difference but still more mirror darkly than prime timeline.
Sisko: attaboy
With the synthetic body, Picard gave us quite a hard time in his views.
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Hue. Wasn't a bad episode, but unless his visor had part of his memory, and Picard lost some during the body swap...no one remembers considering weaponizing the guy that was also in the 1st Season of this Series? Ok.
First! (Is that still a thing) Anyway, lets see what this one shall bring
Star Trek writers keep making the mistake not letting a dead character stay dead. You can't have an emotionally gripping death scene in a franchise that keeps resurrecting people as a plot crutch.
Vadiks backstory is lame so far - i was rather hoping this would be something caused by one or some of "The 200" that were sent into space, either acting out against the Dominion or- enacting the Dominions will/plans to 'One Up' those who sent them out and didnt care if they returned
I will also admit that i hope (SoMeHoW) Jack turns out to be a Q
So I'm gonna be really really petty here on nu-Trek up to this point...
Did anyone else notice the bridge officer that got straight up vaporized and how nobody started bursting into tears and crying out in anguish and swearing revenge on the Bridge?
I mean, yeah Shaw was crying but he got his ass beat in the turbolift pretty bad so I'm thinking it's more due to that.
I bring it up because in Nu-Trek, especially Discovery, if anyone got hurt or killed on the bridge the other officers would absolutely lose their shit with emotion wheras on classic Trek a dude could end up dying in torture and the most the Captain would do is raise their voice. At least until the crisis had passed.
I dunno. I couldn't help but notice how things are different when Kurtzman isn't in charge creatively :P
Also, the origin of Vadik was interesting but it doesn't explain the Face, or why she has to cut it off as if it's a seperate part of her. My theory is that the Face is the part of Vadik that refuses to take the shape of a solid - the one hell-bent on revenge, and Vadik is the part of her that still might be negotiated with, but she's essentially the meat-puppet for the Face. That is, Vadik has DiD thanks to her torture.
Or.... the Face is an alien entity altogether... I dunno.
I only watch this season of Picard for nostalgia. It's barely palatable. Anyone who thinks this signals Trek returning to its greatness...well, I have some property in the Great Link you might be interested in.
Your loss. This season (along with SNW) has been great and most fans seem to agree.
@@raze3297 No, the loss is that it's mediocre at best. I'm watching it, but it's first season TNG...at best. Anyone who says otherwise is settling for this out of nostalgia or enjoys the abominations that passes for Trek over the past 5 years. There is all kinds of terrible writing going on in this season and some fans are willing to put up with it for the sake of nostalgia and watching their heroes ride out one last time.
Oh no 😯. Other people like a thing that I hate. *Gasps* sorry other commoners don't have the same incredible standards for writing you have, lordship. we'll continue to like this thing you Don't like.
@@josephmassaro What terrible writing? Your seriously saying this is worse than the Xini shitshow in enterprise?
@@Bitchslapper316 Yes, I am. It wasn't great, but at least it was consistent and respected canon. This show is heavy on easter eggs and fan service, but plays fast and loose with canon and characters.
A few examples of bad writing:
Riker would never say, on the bridge, in front of the crew..."You've killed us all." This was purely for dramatic effect. Writing dialogue for characters that they would never say just to heighten the scene. A systemic writing problem repeated on a number of occasions throughout this season. It's lazy writing.
Another example. Half the main characters are constantly hammering the audience with how amazing Geordi's daughter is. Please like her audience, we want to do a spin off with her. It's obvious and distracting.
Another example. Shaw, a captain. You know, the "he commands not just a spaceship, but a starship. A very special vessel and crew" captain. He is not only written as unlikable, he's incompetent. Jellico was unlikable, but at least he was competent. Shaw doesn't have to be the worst captain in Starfleet. He makes Captain John "It will be ready on Tuesday" Harriman look like Kirk. This is another systemic writing problem. Making one character look good, Seven, at the expense of another character. These writers can't seem to do one without the other.
I can go on, but my point is that these characters are shadows of themselves, because the writers aren't all that good.
You're free to like it all you want, but the writing is very mediocre.
Let me guess. Captain Picard called the audience racist and then spent 45 minutes fighting an evil orange time traveler named Donald Flump.