WHIPLASH (2014) | Movie Reaction | First Time Watching!
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
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Join Arianna and Maple as they react to the intense and exhilarating film "Whiplash" (2014) for the first time! Directed by Damien Chazelle and starring Miles Teller and J.K. Simmons, "Whiplash" follows the journey of an ambitious young drummer and his ruthless instructor. Watch as Arianna and Maple experience the gripping story, powerful performances, and intense music scenes that make this film a standout. Don’t miss their insights and reactions to the dramatic twists and relentless pursuit of perfection that define "Whiplash."
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00:00 - Intro
00:19 - Reaction
38:25 - Review 
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Forget 50 Shades of Gray this is the ultimate sado-masochistic relationship.
👏 Finally, someone else says it.
JK Simmons gives the performance of a lifetime on Whiplash nearly uncanny
JK went to music school to become a composer and conductor. The drummer had played drums in various groups since he was in 8th grade. Perfect casting.
He wasn’t rushing or dragging. He was just messing with him.
Exactly
Nah. He is rushing. I've seen high level drummers react and they think he's relatively fine but that he's still rushing
@@thedappermagician6905the director full on says in an interview that fletcher was in fact, messing with him
This movie is so dark because the villain wins. It ends with complete control over the kid he’s abusing and it plays to the “victorious” feeling of winning your abusers approval - but even the director has said Neiman is going to end up like Casy in the future.
The shot of his dad with the horrified look on his face as he sees his son lose himself is the best in the movie imo
Obsession was the true villain. No one held a gun to Neimans' head. Also, I think he doesn't get a real happy ending because he lost the folder on purpose.
@@solongdentahlplaan7975 wrong
Fletcher was the one who recognized niemans obsession and desire for greatness when he saw him practicing after hours. He used niemans insecurity and desire for validation to make him desire his validation, to the point that niemans obsession grew to slowly destroy his life and mental state. Fletcher uses his students to try and achieve a greatness he never did, and doesn’t actually care about them, which is why when he finds out one of his ex-students killed themselves he lied to nieman and his class that his student died of some other cause, because he doesn’t want to admit that him manipulating his students is causing them pain, and then leading them to kill themselves. Nieman himself admitted at the dinner table to his family that he would be okay dying young, as long as he’s considered “great”, which shows his mentality is going to lead to his death.
Fletcher is an abuser and uses the tactics of an abuser to manipulate those who desire validation to his own benefit and reputation as a composer.
@liamgengan9157 Wow, so Fletcher is pretty much a Jinn. He'll make you the greatest but it'll cost ya!
absolute favorite moment is at the end when Andrew's dad is peaking through the concert hall doors and his expression drops so slightly, he sees that he has truly lost his son
And Fletcher won in the end. Gut-wrenching.
I think it's the opposite. He realizes he never truly understood his son.
@@thedarkemissary Yeah I get the point of the movie but from what we see of his dad fuck him. He never believed in his own son anyway.
@@thedarkemissary Well it can be both.
When Fletcher gets upset about Sean Casey's death, I don't believe that he cared about him as a person but he was more so devastated by the fact that someone he considered his best product died before he could reach his full potential as his "Charlie Parker." The same potential he sees in Andrew!
Fletcher is just too narcissistic and broken inside to realize his methods are flawed, and needs to keep believing that the abuse he puts people through is the one and only way to achieve greatness! And if you can't handle it, you're just not good enough and don't have what it takes. Not once does he ever self-reflect on his actions, and wonders "maybe he was wrong." but instead goes more psychotic and started pushing Andrew even harder.
You must have missed that scene at the jazz bar.
No, he didn't. His Interpretation is actually very much in line with that scene.
Literally all he said was "he was a beautiful player", nothing about his actual personality.
obvious & obligatory “not my tempo” comment 😂 JK Simmons can go from Tenzin to Omni-Man & this and JJJ. god tier actor
The Dad loses the son. The Son fulfills his dream, reaching for elite but at the cost of his life. Andrew winds up dead in his early thirties but among the greats. Fletcher finds his Charlie Parker. How any of them move forward after reaching their life goals, living with the costs, is perfectly left to our imagination. A great film.
Honestly, this thumbnail captures my idea of how they both would react to this movie lmao
It might seem weird but i always liked the writing of The Break up scene.
As harsh as it may seem,he did the right thing by ending things with her because while he could subject himself to Fletchers Teaching doesnt mean she should be alongside him dealing with the effects.
Discussions like the one at the end of this reaction is exactly why I think this channel exceeds all the others. They don't just watch and react to the movie, they discuss the themes and intention of the movie and how it affects them personally. 👍
Wth are you talking about, majority of channels do that lol
@@CYB3R2KOkay then, so list some channels that I should be watching then lol. Because I've never seen another movie reaction channel do it as well as Diegesis. I've never seen a reaction channel discuss filmmaking techniques such as specific shots like a split diopter, or dolly zoom for example.
@@StoneColdSteveAutism95 James vs cinema, and Movies with KL are two great in depth reactors
It’s entirely possible that Andrew wasn’t off tempo during that once scene. You could totally interpret it that Fletcher is fucking with him to get into his head.
I mean, he just did the exact same thing in the"out of tune trombone scene".
24:07 It's a derogatory term to Jewish people.
Also, JK Simmons won an Oscar for this role.
First Man and La La Land are also amazing films from Damien Chazelle
First Man was hauntingly beautiful.
“do you love defiant jazz?” LOL THE SEVERANCE REFERENCE 😭 can’t wait for season 2 already!
1:43 "he's mean." -Arianna
he is.
One of the all-time performances by JK Simmons 🐐
“How does someone who plays the drums have opps?!!” - Maple.
That was hilarious! Great, great, great movie!
The subtle censor editing is fucking amazing, Chad. 😭
One of my favorite things about this movie is his defiance towards the teacher was the exact thing he was looking for, when he hit the symbol right in his face, causing him to step back, the attitude that he gave him and the constant rebellion that he had against the teacher’s criticisms was in a way exactly what Fletcher was looking for
The reason a lot of people view pressure as the path to creating greatness is that's what we have a lot of examples of. Of people being pushed, and overcoming adversity, and becoming great along the way. The problem however with taking that perspective is that it eliminates the possibility of any counter-example. We can't have the examples of the people who *could* have been great, but who we drove to give up, precisely because we drove them to give up, and so we can never know that they would have become great with a different approach. So we can't see see all of the greatness that such brutal methods have stamped out, we can only see the greatness that they created. Which is what makes it such a flawed perspective. Because it single-handedly sets out to destroy all the evidence that might prove it wrong. If you drive away everyone who doesn't respond positively to that kind of brutality, the only successful people left will be the ones who responded well to it. And then because everyone will see that the only successful people left seem to be those who responded well to brutality, they assume that that's the natural path to success.
That's the definition of survivorship bias. Your information is incomplete because you're only looking at those that made it through a selection process instead of the entire population tested.
There can be no achievement without adversity, there can be no greatness without suffering. There is no "survivorship bias" in this. We have examples all around of people who settle. Who were never pushed. Who achieve nothing. We know what that leads to. We see it everyday. All people who are great at what they do have bled for it. There is no other way.
@@paulf1461 And you're speaking with what statistical evidence? Have you done a study on this?
@@Crazy_Diamond_75 There is no measuring greatness. You can only take anecdotal evidence. That is in abundance on the side of the hardest diamonds being forged under the greatest pressure.
@@paulf1461 You can still do a study with qualitative evidence. Just taking the common wisdom at face value is not useful.
That scene in the beginning with the teacher & Andrew talking in the hallway, yall got it right on the nose with that observation. a sort of love bombing, creating a false sense of security, to lull him to sleep. and create an opportunity to pounce on him, at the exact moment he thinks he's not drumming perfectly. And the teacher does this because he knows he's more talented than anyone else in the classroom, he sees something different with this kid. That's why he is way tougher on him. As hard as he is on the whole class, Miles teller (Andrew) gets it way worse.
I also believe that, if you want the extreme of something good, you have to be willing to accept the extreme of something bad also. Not everyone is meant to be great, you either crumble under the pressure, or you rise up, no in between.
Just because he can play great doesn't mean he can create anything.
@@deckzone3000 ?
The students should be given a truthful and accurate representation to what this class and experience is like prior to joining so that they have the opportunity to know what they are getting into. That is the issue here. The method is dangerous but legitimate for those who choose it. But they have to be given the opportunity to know what they're choosing.
It's not legitimate, it's just an abuser using his authority as a 'genius' to take advantage of a bunch of kids burning desire to make it. 99% of teachers don't beat, berate, and terrify students into reaching their potential.
This is the movie depiction of such a person too, so it's a lot more romanticised than how this would play out in real life. I guarantee if you were watching a teacher do this to students in real life you wouldn't be calling him legitimate.
Just some insight into what Fletcher THINKS he's doing:
Musicians don't have it easy. There's always gonna be someone that doesn't like them, doesn't matter why. If you know that and don't let it get to you, you'll survive.
But the way Fletcher is implementing that is the absolute wrong way to do it.
I'm a full-time creative, and the number of people, even people who professed to be friends, who've tried to do this (unsolicited) is mind-boggling. I think what I've come to learn is that this kind of negativity isn't avoided or ignored, it's absorbed - there's no way to put your heart and soul into something you're creating, and not care when people are negative about it.
In the path to greatness there's an internal Fletcher and external Fletcher. The external Fletcher easier to handle trust me.
You figured the whole Conundrum out yourself xD The Hardcore+Perfection Teaching-Style of Fletcher caused many Fallouts and even a literal Suicide, yet it also produced/enabled the generational Genius of our Protagonist and pushed him over the Edge in the End...How far are you willing to go to achieve that Perfection ? The Movie is not only great in Music and Cinematography, yet it also delivers on Philosophy and the meaning of Dedication/Sacrifice - it's a solid 10/10 from anyone's perspective :)
That look from his dad at the end was one of complete fear not pride. He saw the monster fletcher made
If you like this movie, you would probably really like Mommie Dearest, which has a more fully developed antagonist in my opinion, and is supposed to be based on the real story of Joan Crawford and Christina Crawford, as I understand. It is quite good, but can be quite intense.
great movie! J. K. Simmons is one of my favorite actors since OZ
Is this reaction rushing or dragging?
1:45 "He's mean!"
Lol 😏**buckles up for this one**
Damien Chazelle, masterful director. Whiplash, La La Land, First Man, Babylon. You should definitely do a Damien Chazelle film festival. I would especially be here for that.
JK Simmons is a menace in this movie. He's so incredible.
Thank you, you're both really fantastic and I always enjoy your reactions.
@Diegesis the video seems to have some issues, either that or my graphics card is dying but after checking other videos it seems to be related to this one only.
I really love that the ending is very hype in that usual satisfactory way you expect from movies, but it's so tragic of an ending.
The abuser WON over the abuse victim.
I haven’t seen anyone yet pick up on the 6 am class. Who the hell has classes at 6?
lol
So was Neiman rushing or dragging? Trick question--Fletcher was gaslighting him.
JK Simmons plays psychotic very well
IM LIVING FOR THE DEFIANT JAZZZZZZ FULL CIRCLE😂😂😂😂
Hats off to the artists who are just as crazy as the two main characters in this story when it comes to their craft. It's toxic, it's ugly, it's unhealthy, but think about all the great authors, musicians and painters that had the same drive. The end results are pretty frickin' amazing.
There's plenty of fantastic artists who are pretty mentally healthy.
@@dnish6673 True
Note to self: ladies think mean tango is sexy.
16:35 Arianna guessed right lmaoooo
Back up from my drums .."jerk" BAAAAHAHAHAA... THAT WAS THE CHERRY 🍒 ON TOP OF WATCHING THIS REACTION FOR ME... Thank you... 😆
GREAT FILM! soo good and the ending just leaves you wanting more but satisfied
My favorite thing ever is when people find out JK Simmons is the voice of the Yellow m&m. He was in studio recording a new m&m commercial two days after winning the Oscar for this movie.
NAILED it with the love bombing!
“Top drum solo of all time.” Jesus.
I really enjoyed your review. One of the reasons why this film was controversial at the time is because it does challenge our levels of comfort vs where are we trying to get to. It’s a huge reason why Kobe Bryant could relate to the movie so much because Phil Jackson who was his head coach for three consecutive titles was very critical of him in a book. So when Phil Jackson came back to coach the team and people wondered why would Kobe wanna play for him again, He said me being great and winning takes precedent over me being comfortable or protecting my ego. Because in life we don’t get participation trophies, We are judged for the results, Not the journey. But we have to go on the journey to get to the desired destination.
This reaction’s Quite my Tempo 🫶
You two are so funny.😂 Also, in True Detective, the biker gang scene, Maple started to tell about her brief accidental brush with some similar persons...I still want to hear this story. 😮🤔 😂😁
Great acting, JK Simmons is one hell of an actor, the range of emotion he can express and make believable...
Another way to read this movie is the teacher was actually the main characters voice in his head, the driving force telling himself he isnt good enough and to work harder
I'm surprised he didn't spike him with LSD and push that narrative himself
What instruments do they play?
FYI,
Were you rushing? Or were you dragging?
This movie is a warning and shows the price of being the best that many movies won’t show.
Im just here for Arianna's stress level.
I'm not sure where I heard it from. Whether it was the director or just a discussion around a group of friends. But I agree with it that Andrew does become one of the greats, but just like he (or was it his family) that describe the very greats die young ... he may have got his recognition but it's going to come at a cost. Which is why I always see the terror in his dad's face, cuz he knows his son will be great but at a painful cost.
13:42 they make it seem like fordam is some sort of community college. It’s an elite college.
I definitely wouldn’t advise going there if you don’t know your major from the jump…just to prevent insane debt
The mystery of the folder still haunts me as a musician.
A degree of Fletcher is a voice in our head, self doubt, abuse, hatred, we must overcome no matter what. that's the take away for me.
"How do you have ops when you're a drummer?" 🤣🤣
29:41 I never noticed that was Ms. Cleo from lost
Lmao if you look up The Legend of Whiplash, Tenzin’s lines (voiced by Jk Simmons) are replaced by Fletcher’s lines from this movie. 😂
This felt like David Lynch directing Fame, from a script by the Coen Brothers. Amazing. Super hard to re-watch, though.
Fletcher won in the end. Got his “Charlie Parker” created his monster
Forgot my jacket... he's mean. Oh no, just wait. Haha.
Look at the dad’s expression in the final shot where he’s looking into the auditorium at his son. That’s not a feeling of proudness. That’s coming to the understanding that your son may no longer have a soul. That he chose to give up family and relationships and everything to be Fletcher.
I always like seeing how people interpret the ending of this movie 🙂
This film is a masterpiece! I’ve watched it and reactions to it multiple times. I find it interesting though that not once has anyone mentioned the fact that Andrew is clearly on the autism spectrum! I appreciate the subtlety in which it was displayed. His father says he has trouble making eye contact and he keeps his eyes glued to the floor. That along with his obsession and laser focus on one thing are key symptoms. Another brilliant part is how the end and overall film can be interpreted. The shot of Andrew’s father watching him was genius and purposefully misleading. He’s not in awe of his son’s talent. He’s in fear, witnessing his son’s obsession and further descent knowing that now, for sure, he will do whatever it takes to become one of the greats. Lastly, i hear people debating who really won. To me, you can’t have Andrew winning without Fletcher, the antagonist, also winning.
Awesome reaction.
One of my favorite movies and I love watching other people's reaction to this movie just a much
As a drummer, no, you do not want to learn drums. It is way too expensive. It is so much fun but if you take to it, it will drain your wallet at all times. 😂😂
2:00 Ariana:Do you love defiant jazz?!... HEHE.. any1 else got it? Cant wait for season 2 of Severance
In the rushing/dragging part, JK Simmons was actually slapping Miles Teller.
Oh man I know this’ll be a great reaction💯
You can't turn the page because you're using both arms when you're drumming..
One of my favorite films and it's an indie film!
"I want to learn how to drum so bad" - you just might change your mind after this.
Don't worry, hands never split open like that from drumming, unless you have a rare skin condition.
them saying fletchers mean in the first scene.... just wait lmfao
Of any genre, proly the best movie made in the past 20 years. Buddy Rich is the greatest drummer who ever lived. He was the hero of John Bonham of LED Zeppelin and Neil Piert of Rush. Type in here, Buddy Rich plays drums. The final song progression goes from threatening teacher/student, to what are u doing man, to Andrew. Fletcher finally got his Charlie Parker! Pro tip JK studied concert music in college and Miles played drums in a 80s cover band!
Awesome reaction of my favorite movieAaaa😊😊😊😊😊😊
I hope they see the "Ocean man whiplash" meme
Nah if you cheer at that ending, I dont think you quite understand it, that is NOT a happy ending
Everyone got what they wanted. That sounds pretty happy to me.
Teacher would have been dead if he ever touched me like that
You guys should react to some Buddy Rich solos. He even has a solo somewhat similar to this, except he’s in his seventies when he plays it, and his snare rolls are so much faster 😂
Love this movie 2 seen it loads, second love you 2 fab energy and 🥰 smiles
A. Wtf is “love bombing”?
B. Well, it’s not a q so I’ll keep to myself.
Okay, you guys need to watch Chungking Express, you would love it, legendary romantic movie
live chat was so weird during this reaction.. arguing if musicians liked the movie or not doesn't matter.. people who get it know that the movie is about abuse, not music; music is just the medium.
How is this about abuse. Is training a marine to the point of breaking abuse? Or is it so they become the best they can be? Fletcher was looking for the next alltime great jazz musician, Neiman wanted it no matter the cost. That's how greatness comes about. It it not easy and it is not comfortable.
@@mikeceebo8611the difference is that’s in THE MARINES you know what you’re signing up for but andrew is just trying to do his best at music i wouldn’t say it’s all about abuse but it’s kinda like a metaphor for abuse
@@mikeceebo8611 if you think the music is the message of the movie, you missed the point.
Oh what! Let's fucking go!!
This movie reaction was good but the volume of the movie was extremely low at times which would have been hard for some to follow if they don't know it that well. I have seen this numerous times so I knew what your comments were referring to so I still enjoyed your feedback of the dialog and scenes.😊
drums nowadays aren’t often tuned to any specific key so i doubt any average jazz drummer would be able to tune anything to any specific note without a reference. feel free to correct me tho
i’ve also never heard of any drummers hands bleeding from drumming, whether jazz drums, marching drums, or otherwise. in fact, i was taught that if it’s fucking you up physically then your technique is wrong.
So far, one of the best movies this century.
33:10 - That is 100% true. It’s really, really hard to find the girl of your dreams, so, if you’re lucky enough to do so, lock that down.
It's actually not unusual to ask another player near you in an orchestra for a note so you can tune your instrument (though tuning drums is not really a thing). It's not a power play.
Lots of other things in this movie are unusual though. XD
Fantastic movie
So so good
"ooh, he's mean". Hoo boy...