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Prophetic Gifting vs Calling: How to Know Which You Carry
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2021
- Have you ever wondered what the difference is between the gift of prophecy and the office of a prophet? I often see this confused in prophetic culture and hope to bring some clarity to the call of a prophet today.
Often people minister in prophecy through the gifts of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12) and believe this is what makes someone a prophet. However, the truth is a prophet is not a gifted person but is a gift to the Church (Ephesians 4:7). The office of a prophet is a call; it is who the person is not what the person does.
In order to be a prophet, there has to be a private encounter and a public acknowledgment. If you have a private encounter but are not acknowledged before men you are not a prophet to anyone because you are not operating in the fullness of your calling.
What I am getting at is, a prophet has a metron which is their sphere of authority. If you are operating in the office of a prophet but have no sphere of influence you will have no authority with man.
If you receive a word from the Lord before the mantel on your life is recognized, I’d propose you are on the journey from the promise to the palace. I encourage you to practice walking in royalty, surround yourself with community, and seek the Lord. There is purpose in the process!
In this week’s blog, I share more about the gift of prophecy and the office of a prophet.
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My dad passed away a couple weeks ago and the total random way you guys started the show was totally something he would had done or joked about and then fumbled through. It blessed me to remember. Just a silly gift to my heart. ❤️TY
We are sorry for your loss and thank you for sharing this with us! Praying you experience the nearness of Jesus in this season. -KVM Team
VOICE OF A PROPHET - Who Speaks for God? - A.W TOZER
Chapter 10
The Sovereign Call of God (2 Kings 2:9)
Men become prophets not at their own whim but by the sovereign calling of God. If God does not call the man, he cannot carry God’s message. At our Bible college we had a dean of students who firmly believed this. When someone graduated from college, he rarely helped them find a place of ministry. One day someine confronted him with this and asked why he was not more helpful.
“ If,” the dean explained, “ God has called that man to ministry, God will open up the doors of ministry.
If, on the other hand, mama called her son to ministry, let mama find him a place of ministry.”
Perhaps the man was a little rigid in this area, but he carried a right point. If God has called someone to ministry, nothing can keep that person from that ministry. Our problem today is that ministry has become a vocational choice. Ministry is not a vocational choice; it is a sovereign call of God upon a man’s life. Nobody has a right to make a judgement in this area. - A.W TOZER.
thank you for the quote. I will look for this book. God bless you
Thank you so much! I’ve had a personal encounter and a public confirmation from a pastor who doesn’t even know me as he gave a word from the Lord. Now I know it’s time for me to be trained to refine the gift in this humbling calling. Thank you again for guiding me on what to do next. God bless!
Very helpful. Let your actions speak louder than your words, but do it within the context of honoring the leaders in your community. Let THEM declare you a prophet because of the heart and the fruit they see in your life. So good!!
I have had true dreams since I was a child.
But I started to feel disturbed that my dreams came true and knowing things before they happened.
So I turned from that.
About 8 years ago I was talking about the rapture and I expressed doubts about a pretribulation rapture.
My husband asked me if everyone disappeared and I was left behind, would I think I wasn't saved.
I flippantly and immediately said "I guess I would be one of the end time prophets"
Immediately I felt a tingling on the top of my head warmth, and weight on my head. It lasted for at least 20 minutes.
Now I often get that tingling though not as strong as the first time. When I pray, sing, other times out of the blue.
I will get a feeling of it on my brow which I have overtime taken to mean wait.
I believe I am annionted but not acknowledged.
Thank you for your video.
God bless.
Sometimes there
Dear Kris and Allie, Thanks so much for this really great word on Gifts versus Calling. Gave me so much food for thought and for me, came at just the right time. Really appreciate you both taking the time to share this and sow into our lives. Kris, your prophetic insight has been a rich source of insight in my own journey and development and as a prophet. Allie, I've not had the honour of meeting you on a virtual platform before. Thank you for your input in this broadcast, you have natural gifting in the art of drawing out the gold in an interview process. A wonderful gift of navigating the leading of the holy spirit and steering the train of thought. You really drew out what we needed to hear thanks so much for your service too. Looking forward to more encounters and insights hopefully, you will be doing more of this. God richly bless you both, Christine
@"How to which you are carrying " I've tapped onto nearly a dozen sites about prophecy and here the only one that digs into it nonstop. God bless you all!!
I love this this shows the true relationship with a Father and Daughter and the truth of Prophecy.
I have been called into the office of as a prophetess. God spoken to me over 25 years old. My life was turn upside down. My friends and my church member see it. But it's is still hidden because of the church abuse. I have suppress the gift. How to activate the gift again. I going on fast again to seek God for a refreshing of the gift. I had to leave false church. I am seeking God for true leadership
I will pray for you. I am a prophet
‘I’m a man!’ 😂 so funny & true! Thanks guys, I absolutely love these videos and get so much out of them.
When you say that you are a prophet, I say to myself, "Oh my gosh" too. What a coincidience!
Thank-you so much for putting this out! I think I have heard this 2x but the second was way more meaningful to me! I was listening to Kris's talk: The Gift vs the Calling yesterday and I was super inspired to bring solutions to our city. I so resonate with what you guys say here. God bless you both! I have been disconnected from the local assembly in a formal setting but recently have returned to a Bethel plant in Fife WA. I want to serve and connect with their efforts to bless and impact the city with the Kingdom! Thank-you so much for the inspiration Kris and Allie!
I love this format, Kris! The interview approach seems to work very well for delivering bite-sized teaching, and the length is just about right. Thanks for continuing to put this sort of content out, and I pray that many others will be at least as blessed by it as I have been.
My identity is the gift of salvation and being a child of God. Being a Christian is my identity.
Yes that is good.
Great, yes, a child of God is our identity, but He gives us gifts to use to manifest His purposes, intents and glory in this world. Too many "believers" don't know their gifts and aren't being used to build His kingdom. They just think that being nice is what they're supposed to be!
@@janet-Spirit_of_the_Living_God I never denied the gifts. Indeed we are gifted. But the speaker says the gift is our identity and that’s just plain wrong. That’s just one of the many problems in the Church and why we need a Reformation, some order stablished for us all to be more healthy and not to teach plain old 💩. Enough is enough. I’m so sick and tired to hear bad teachings. If only people would at least first teach the Word. Then we would not get in trouble making videos just for the sake to be relevant.
@@lulylucero he didn’t say “your gift is your identity”. That’s what you heard. He said “your calling is your identity”. Massive difference. I’m pretty sure Kris knows about identity in Christ. Our calling is a part of who we are. If the Lord tells you your somethin, then that something is a part of your identity, doesn’t mean it’s the whole thing but it is a part of it
@@solomonhyde my calling, my identity, doesn’t define me because it isn’t mine but a gift and a call from God. I’m nothing without Him. So, neither my calling, nor my gifts will ever define my identity. Period. You don’t need to come out to defend whoever you are defending. And if you are trying to teach me something you just failed. Maybe it wasn’t a call for you to say anything. Maybe your call is something else. Child of God, follow Christ if you want to mature as a Christian because many of the leaders some follow are just mere man and it comes a point that nothing else can be learned from people. We have too many out there trying to come out with some new teachings for the sake of staying relevant. The Word of God never gets old and we should focus on it rather than stupid teachings.
Yes, so true about the title thing in western culture (and everything else you said, of course). As a Brit I got to tour Idaho some years back and met more ‘Prophets’ and ‘Apostles’ than homes had a kettle to boil me water for a cup of tea. True story. One Apostle (business and all, even his Facebook name included the title) didn’t even belong to a local church 😂
Don't judge. Prophets are often rejected and pull away from church.
A PROPHET IS CALLED / CHOSEN BY GOD VERY WELL AND CLEAR EXPLANATION
Thanks Kris. Your teachings and books have made a positive impact on me. This format is really nice and the studio/informal atmosphere is definitely working. Keep it up. I hope you make it down to Tennessee sometime.
The Lord appears to me in a dream to tell me that I’m supposed to be going to other places it been about 5 years and I manage to attend my first mission trip back in 2019. But I guess I must have to wait for the acknowledgment.
Hey I was fishing and Jesus came to me in vision sitting on a rock I was baffled being spiritual most my life I asked him why why are you here then he ushered the lamb over to me, it says if there is a prophet among you I shall reveal myself to him, so I’m unsure if this was calling to the office, obviserly I carry all the gifts and been told 7 fold anointing from thrown room and in the office but I always doubt myself, but I see in the church . Every times I ignore god bad things happen, so I’m also not currently in a church, I was hurt by last church , my whole life I have been spiritual Jesus revealing himself to me was so out of ordinary. It’s been 4 years and I ended up leaving due to my gifting always been cursed by my brothers and sisters, they didn’t understand the mystery’s I would see I was called psychic I guess I just ended up scaring people
Me too.
I was shunned by my pastor. He wouldn't even look me in the face and would turn around when I showed up. I saw the temptation in his church. Many young women following him around. I gently told a story about my husband and myself.
Well that went wrong.
I miss that church but I couldn't stay when I was noticably shunned by the pastor.
I feel that
I really enjoyed this teaching… food for my soul
God use me a lot in the area of exhorting others
Thank you so much for clarity!
Thank you this vlog is very informative and God bless love all your books 😁🇿🇦
That was real pervy in the beginning....
Love you guys and your awkward start 😂
I get it. But it is confusing. Be faithful! Do your best! Be a servant and serve. Good Word.
Ha ha. Trophy wife... That was a funny jibe. Love the interaction.
But I been feeling inpatient about it because I can see myself traveling doing the work of God. Thank you for your words God bless you
The Word of God advises that not everyone will have every spiritual gift. It may not be for you. We should focus on sharing the gospel with people instead of if we are going to get a gift or not, we already have the gift of salvation through Jesus' death, burial and resurrection!
Not sure what to make of this, but it's interesting. I've been told that I "am" a pastor, even without having a congregation. That makes more sense if it's a functional identity, like what was being talked about here. I would say it's like having my name written in some registry book in Heaven as a pastor even though the church doesn't exist yet. I always wanted to go to Bible school and do that but never had the opportunity.
Which is why I'm here. I've been given a remarkably detailed description of a vision for a future church in a very specific place. The scale of the vision pretty well precludes it being my own invention. I haven't been excited about this particular detail, so I don't speak of it as much as the rest of it, but I believe that I've been given to know that this church will include a major prophet to be installed in that particular city. Now, I could not tell you who this prophet would be as I cannot even say for sure if I am indeed the pastor of the church in question. I can only assume I may be the pastor by default because I carry the vision. All I can tell you is that against all odds, at this season the Lord has allowed and directed us to relocate to within driving distance of the aforementioned place which He has specified. This was unplanned for and completely unexpected, as it had been thought to be financially infeasible before its occurrence.
That said, if maybe I am to eventually be a pastor of a church containing an actual prophet, it seems reasonable to me, and that it is on my heart to learn now at this time, that I should know what a prophet is, what a prophet does, and what a prophet encounters so that I may perhaps be able to pastor that person effectively. I am assuming a prophet also needs a pastor, as a pastor also needs to hear God's prophet. And if the Lord should say the prophet is me, then at least all of the above would be useful to know, at least to know as far as it can be shown biblically.
Great video.🙏🏼
Thank You Kriss… I enjoyed this. ❤️
I am so glad!
I pray for the spiritual gifts: apostle, prophetic, ministry, healing, discerning spirit gift in Jesus name Amen.
Non-prophet organization 😂 Great video.
That was a good one ! 😂
I have seen many who were acknowledged as prophet b ut the pastor did nothing to install the individual because of their ignorance. It appears they donèt understand that they need a prophet alongside them. I have never attended a church where there was a prophetic office. It's like theyère ashamed to admit they have a prophet in their midst.
That’s exactly what I’ve come up against. I tried explaining it to my pastor and he looks at me like I’m crazy. They don’t understand the offices and do not desire to have it established in their churches.
This is great, really helpful. It would be useful to go to even more basics about what is a prophet as you hint this is about encouraging others in the gift but more definition would help. Thanks
Lol, Kris you say what we all think. Blessings
Hey guys!? If called has called you audibly with the voice of other people since you were a little child and visited you with dreams,visions,and personal visitations would you think that is a prophetic calling? I know someone who God called audibly the same way God called Samuel. What do y'all think?
Finally some background! Thank you for that clarity and hilarious beginning 😂❤️👏🙏✝️
That was a great teaching thank you so much
Doesn’t the Bible say, not one hint of anything ungodly? Coarse joking? Strange opening, super 😬 cringe
I find the chatty casualness distracting n unhelpful.
Thank you!
Thank you for watching!
There isn’t short cut with God… full process full learning full wisdom is needed
I appreciate the straightforwardness of the video, the prophetic is very interesting to me, it’s also concerning as well, we have a prophet in our church, I’ve chatted with her and I believe she is a prophet, but all the symbolisms and prophetic encounters are strange to me.
The strongest desire in my heart is to see the body of Christ rise & shine for the glory of God, but it almost seems like a show than a holy encounter.
Am I wrong.
Thank you for that clarification.
I have a question. When I was 12 years old, I was always pushed away from the norm of being with my friends, and things like that, so I devoted my time to read the Word of God, and afterwards, I'd go to a piece of property that was wooded, and I would just run through this think wooded areas, and meditate upon the Word of God I have read, which was usually the Psalms. Then, one day as I sat down to read the Bible as usual, when I opened my Bible it opened to Isaiah 61. As I began to read verse 1, I felt as if a covering was placed upon me, and the presence of God filled the room, I knew without anyone saying anything to me, that the Lord had anointed me for a spacific purpose. I have been used in the gift of prophesy, but what would this actually mean? Replies are welcomed. I do know, when I speak the Word of God over people, situations, and circumstances, that things change super naturally. Please help me to understand my calling, and office in the ministry.
Thank you Kris. That was nice. And I love your side-kick. I’m still looking for where I’m supposed to be. Right now I’m in the town of my kids and grandkids. Yes, lots of steps... because there really isn’t much of a church here, a few that dabble and some that are very religious. I still continue to seek for the Holy Spirits leading. I don’t know that I can expect any more. He really is my only hope. Again, thank you so much.
AMEN THIS IS AWESOME THANKS YOU
Your welcome!
much needed information thank you
If you do not have a church in your area that is like Bethel or that supports the structure you are discussing, how do they hit those steps? Our region is very new age and striving religious where there are churches. They are focused on the saving coming from Charlie Kirk and there is a great deal of downplaying the need for prayer in the church we left after serving a decade. It became full of political anger and the Spirit was quenched. Now we are watching online and praying for direction.
Love this .. great insights about prophetic ❤
Thank you for watching!
I find the contrived chat n casualness distracting n unhelpful.
This is very creepy and gross.
Why not cut ALL this awkward and weird talk at the beginning OUT?
GROSS.
It's bad enough that it happened. It's even worse that he posted it
Because his heart was pure. People say awkward things sometimes.. assuming the worse is called judgement.
True thank you for this!
LOL not him turning red hahah so cute.
Thank you
Good word
Powerful episode
This was profound
I have a hard time following this. I’ve tried a couple of videos and it’s just not cohesive. All over the place. Maybe it’s they way I learn. Idk. I really wanted to get this.
Hi Lova, I know how you feel. I’d recommend getting his training manual he mentioned at the beginning of the video “Basic Training for the Prophetic Ministry.” He breaks everything down in a very organized way. That’s what helped me. God Bless!
The video kept cutting I wasn’t sure if it’s me or the video ☹️
Listen to your what is prophecy. I've been called into prophecy this was noticed by a few people before I was aware of it. So what am I getting at, when I gave a prophecy to a certain person in this case a vicars wife. She took a fence and the vicar wanted to punch me (he didn't he new he would come off second best) I struggle with the fact that she is controlling and doesn't get it.
I instantly pressed subscribe when Kris stated that the scripture was not centered around spiritual gifts but rather spiritual things. This is the first video I watched on this channel but I can already tell by that statement how theological/biblical sound this channel and the creators of it are.
Thank you for watching!
Question, does this two part acknowledgement the apply to all offices of Ephesians 4:11 ?
Very helpful to see the difference. Is the Training manual for both?
Hahaha you are funny❤God bless you
20:44
There are only 10 who hold the office of the prophet.
Wah wah wah
That was funny
Dearest Kris and Alley, The Lord Bless you both mightily!!! I would like to send you my testimony, do you have an email that I could send it through? Thank you for sharing your wisdom with all who will see this site!!! God Bless and Blaze a Trail of Holy Ghost Fire 🔥 everywhere your messages are released that the Lord Jesus Christis Lifted High❤
Thank you for your videos. You’d mentioned (15 min) that the vocation or calling of a Prophet must be both public and private within the metron (sphere of influence). Do each ministry gifting (Apostle, Prophet, Pastor, etc) requires the same public/private confirmation? Also, how can I learn if I have a specific ministry vocation? I would assume proximity to Prophets and/or the Prophetic gifting is required for vocation confirmation ie laying on of hands. Again, thank you for unpacking and giving explanations of the callings and gifts of the Holy Spirit - we all need more of Jesus, our King. God bless, Adam
Hi Adam! I have many blogs written on these specific questions that could provide you more information then I'd be able to share in a comment. Here are a few that might be helpful:
www.krisvallotton.com/prophetic-gifting-vs-calling
www.krisvallotton.com/questions-about-the-prophetic-answered
Additionally, if you are interested in diving deeper into the prophetic, School of the Prophets is a week-long intensive training school happening this August. You can find out more information here: www.bethel.com/calendar/school-of-the-prophets
Hi Kris, Thank you for linking your blog, I really enjoyed the readings, lots of great info.. And thank you for the invitation to attend the School of the Prophets in August 2022.
I will thoughtfully and prayerfully consider your invitation.
Thank you again for your time!
In Christ,
Adam
Well Damn, either she looks old or he looks young!!😳
Sir. I have so many questions...
👌Needed this🤔
What do you do when you can't submit to a local leadership, because you're not allowed to go to church because you're not vaccinated? How do we do this correctly?
Find a different church. It sounds like yours may be a “white washed tomb”.
That church doesn’t have the spirit more than likely pray for him to lead you to a correct church
Find another church
*Prophetic Grifting vs Calling*
Fixed it for you.
...except that there's no payment involved and no intentional deception. Legitimate prophetic ministry is supposed to build you up, call out the good in you and encourage you. None of that has anything to do with grifting.
One thing I will say; is that prophetic people tend to be out spoken and do not filter what they say before they speak. I see a lot of things that bring me warning in this video. First the “trophy wife” comment made to your “grand daughter”. Second the fact that you have not one scripture accounted for correctly in this teaching. Third you did not properly explain the difference between the “office” and “encouragement” of the prophetic voice. I find your sarcasm to be repulsive (as I’ve seen your other videos). And you need way more tempering sir. This is why I’ve been in hiding for over 8 years now. Because I refuse to speak idle words or allow the sarcasm to come out in my speaking because “out of the abundance of the heart the mouth will speak”. God is looking for prophetic voices that are humble, tempered, controlled by HIM, like a fire shut up in our bones! with deep renewed conviction, a spirit that will speak the truth in LOVE and in PURITY and not out of a wounded heart. THAT is what God is doing right now in the body of Christ! He is preparing HIS army the remnant! 😍🙏🏼❤️🔥
whoa, and YOU are the shining example...O bless you, you have such a predictable format that people should trust, LOL!
it's a boldness in Christ. because I am quiet at heart but when God uses me to speak, I speak with certainty and boldness. Jeremiah was afraid to speak, So was Moses. he even had a stutter. So being outspoken has to still be done with a spiritual boldness. so our feelings, and emotions will be taken out of it
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Lol you're both the cutest
Amen 🙏 good 👍 teaching
Kris made the conversation strange in the beginning. Ew
Literally did though
So basically, she's like a grand-daughter?
...in-law. I think that's a thing, right? :)
@@dagman85 Yup, you are.
Amen Jesus.
Get on with the lesson please, thank you.
Hahaha “a lot of churches are like a non-prophet organization” 🤣🤣🤣 amazing!!
Okay, so I see why people question your relationship, you joke a little too much. You might want to pull that back a bit.
Or don't perverse it...
@@Mandolin523if someone is perceiving something is because he may have given somebody that impression I don't feel that this person was wrong and perceiving it so I don't really know why you replied that way to them. Many could receive it as being a stumbling block as well. Kris and her may not have seen it or meant it in any certain way, but I would perceive it as being inappropriate start out conversation. We all have blind spots in our life and sometimes we need to be aware that what we might say may be construed as something else and it's okay to bring it to attention to the people that are inappropriately behaving a certain way. I've had people confront me on certain things and it doesn't mean that they care for me less in fact if anything is because they love me. I would probably perceive it the same way as something that's inappropriate.
:)
What a creep he is from the Abundance of the heart the mouth speaks
SUUUPER creepy and undertones of "this is NOT okay".
His poor nephew.
@@jeremycbarnhart2305 Grandson I believe
Watch the video we’re he talks about being in love with a man like 4 times as he is referring to bill Johnson. Sarcasm seems to be the new way for most ministries and I’m over it.
@@springsommerministries9373 I’d encourage you to listen more closely and ask Jesus to give you His mind about things instead of your defensive and divisive attitude. You do not have to go about the internet tearing others down and spreading gossip to feel better about your own “ministry”. May God bless you with revelation, wisdom, and love in Jesus name.
@@springsommerministries9373 also look up Danny Silk a culture of honor.
Cringe. Ear. To. Ear.
Kris, why do you not have a copy of the bible in front of you? It would be a great help rather then talking from your head. Notice how quickly it goes from what a prophet is to it's 'all about me me me! I'd be very interested to hear Chris Rosebrough and co on this one? The video appears to break up in places, I'm not quite sure if it's me or are others seeing it? For the record. Jesus came to His home synagogue Luke 4:16ff and he eventually after prophesying to them was not accepted! Folks read scripture before reading any of these guys books!!!
Yep breaks up.
@@soundmind6477 Thanks, I thought it was my system, but I noticed that the counter was moving normally and the buffer line was well advanced, so I suspected that perhaps it was the fault of the uploader as other videos were behaving as expected. I still say he needs a bible on that table!
@@GI4JYT needs a bible and needs to stop. I doubt very much that he is a prophet.
@@soundmind6477 This isn't the best example, but there are other examples which would support your understanding perfectly. Notice he says that you need to be recognised by the leaders. What if all the leadership are in error, who then discerns truth? On the one hand you have Chris Rosbrough denying the existence of the prophetic word for today and on the other you have a lot of 'false prophets' promoting themselves without any real reference to scripture. I rest my case!
I hope you don't think you're a prophet. Why do you assume no one else reads the scriptures. Being unkind is not being special. Some people want to know what people with experience have experienced, personally.
VOICE OF A PROPHET - Who Speaks for God? - A.W TOZER
Chapter 10
The Sovereign Call of God (2 Kings 2:9)
Men become prophets not at their own whim but by the sovereign calling of God. If God does not call the man, he cannot carry God’s message. At our Bible college we had a dean of students who firmly believed this. When someone graduated from college, he rarely helped them find a place of ministry. One day someone confronted him with this and asked why he was not more helpful.
“ If,” the dean explained, “ God has called that man to ministry, God will open up the doors of ministry.
If, on the other hand, mama called her son to ministry, let mama find him a place of ministry.”
Perhaps the man was a little rigid in this area, but he carried a right point. If God has called someone to ministry, nothing can keep that person from that ministry. Our problem today is that ministry has become a vocational choice. Ministry is not a vocational choice; it is a sovereign call of God upon a man’s life. Nobody has a right to make a judgement in this area. - A.W TOZER.
Amen…this is spot on..bless you