You know that when Kofuzi says "Personally I don't love the $250 price point" he really means, in a very diplomatic and polite way, "It's a little too expensive compared for what it offers, compared to the competition" and then, to prove the point, he shows you an excellent alternative at $200. That's some real added value! Thanks Kofuzi, your knowledge and insights are always helpful.
I’ve seen comments to this effect quite a lot recently on the channel but just to reiterate the sentiment - the production quality of these videos is exceptional in every aspect.
That upper screams "CEASE AND DESIST!" Sounds like Brooks are really get close finally to entering the marathon racing conversation. More options is a win for everyone.
I appreciate how you differentiate between mid sole densities. I am 6'1, 200 pounds so shoes that you describe as a little bit more firm than you like tend to be right in my wheelhouse. Thank you.
I’m a large guy (6’2”/270ish) who is just looking to run around a 50-60-minute 10K and this shoe is already maybe my favorite shoe I own after one tempo run and one long run. I think this is a great option for the big boys and those just looking to run fast for them but slow in the grand scheme of things. If you’re a 9-10 minute plus pace Clydesdale, you’ll love it. Smaller and faster? I’ll defer to others on that.
I find myself struggling to purchase anything with EVA as its primary foam at this point. It may be incorrect to think this way, but the newer-age foams just feel so much better, even for daily runs in things like the Superblast.
It is not incorrect to say that at all as it is your preference for your feet. I agree, so many shoes now offer at least partial non-eva foams and it makes the ride so much more enjoyable for me. I think if a shoe is all eva it should be much cheaper than its non-eva competitors ans why think this shoe is not good value at all. Price should be 160-170 like a super trainer.
I seem to share your taste for popping carbon plates, I'm definitely not elite, and I already have plenty of speed day shoes so thanks for warning me off this one. Love the upper. Agree that it's a gorgeous colorway befitting the father of the sun and moon.
its great to have options and this sounds like a different recipe than just another Vaporfly copy but for that kind of money I want a top tier shoe with top tier "energy return", they may have improved EVA but I doubt it can compete with Peba etc. in terms of resilience. After all, it's the foam that provides most of the efficiency gains, not the plate.
Shoe looks awesome but it's still way too firm. EVA - nitrogen infused or otherwise - simply cannot compete with PEBA. They're night and day in terms of responsiveness.
After having heard that the DNA Flash v2 is a nitrogen infused TPEE/EVA, would really love to hear your thoughts on the Hyperion 2. I feel like it’s one of those shoes that’s being slept on in 2024.
@@ABucc I tested it in our preorder for brooks. We get it in fall 24, it is kinda unstable, but otherwise not really much difference to the elite 4, for much less money. Also it has a full lenght Pebax plate.
@@Chungdol92 The Brooks rep said in a video that the Hyperion Elite 4 was released in Feb. along with the marathon trials and that the Hyperion Max 2 will be released in June when the track and field trials are held.
Several years ago ASICS turned the corner with their shoes as did Saucony. Something happened. R & D or just new engineers but it worked. I remember the Speed. Incredible shoe!! I think shoe of the year 2019/20? Brooks is still sooo far away from that occurring.
You are right. They still stick heavily to EVA foams but at least this is a shoe that is somewhat in the right direction. It is designed in collaboration with 50K world record holder CJ Albertson and he won CIM and California Baja Marathon (a week later) in these shoes with times 2:11:09 and 2:11:08
hmm this is a tough one, you have left me with lots to ponder on , I really like the hyperion max for trainng / tempo and I have had a PR'd in the Puma elite 2's last year.. but at the back end of last year I smashed my half marathon time in a peba/plate based supershoes (by 13 minutes) and currently training in the Saucony rotoation .. much to ponder on.. perhaps the brooks trio for my superhalfs campaigh starting in the Autumn. 🤔. Love puma's but my old toes / forefoot take a pummiling in the narrow toe boxes .
@@kofuzi I'm looking for the best shoes for 3km - 5km all out max effort races. Which shoes would you say are best (generally) for 2 mile time trials max effort ??
I testes this shoe in our pre-order... I dont know man...definitely not for me if I have to compare it with other Shoes like the Adidas adios pro 3 or the Li-Ning feidian Ultra 3. Which I currently use. It's kinda firm and I'm way more stable in the Adidas. For me it is a very very expensive tempo shoe aswell. I would have seen it at around 200-220€ But I'm sure it will find its fans, its well made and also kinda pretty.
Part of me thinks a $200 price point for this shoe would have made a huge difference. Another part of me thinks that, for the runner for whom this shoe was designed, the price point is exactly right.
This is the fastest shoes in the planet right now. Some pros making secret trainings and they reveal the use of Supercritical EVA like the DNA Flash from Brooks and Puma.
This shoe without a plate sounds really appealing if they could bring the price down; I guess we'll see how the Hyperion Max 2 will feel like, don't like how wide the platform is on the Max 1
@@jordanschneider1077 CJ Albertson is their top runner in these shoes right now. He has running 2:11:09/2:11:08 marathons in them (CIM and Baja California a week later).
It's hard being a reviewer AND have good relationship with companies, when your livelihood depends on it. Still I hate it when reviewers sugarcoat things. This shoe is not on paar with the other race shoes, at the very least it should be cheaper.
Of all the brands I’ve been accused of having bias towards, Brooks is quite possibly the most humorous accusation. Have you not heard me tell the story of the midnight drop of the 25-mile-life-expectancy Hyperion Elite v1?
kofuzi sir i hope this message finds you well. can you plz make a review video on asics gel-kayano 30 . thanks to your videos i have already purchased nimbus 25 and novablast 4! and planning to add kayanao in my collection but sadly no unbiased review available on youtube. plz sir if possible do make one
Go find "Old Man Van Running" channel on RUclips. He has review of Kayano 30 and I believe also has 100 mile review. The guy reviews stability shoes mostly. You might also find some other alternatives compared with it.
Exactly. I would love to like Brooks. It seems only the super Champion like Desire Linden, my favorite champion of all times. Again Brooks is way behind among the other companies. Especially in the super shoes market,but also in daily trainers.max cushioning... Run happy is their motto. How sad this company is...
CJ Albertson (50K world record holder) has won two marathons in these back to back (1 wk apart) in these. CIM with 2:11:09 and Baja California 2:11:08. I am also very critical of Brooks for not using PEBA foams but what they did here is not too bad. I think by going to grid type plate they were able to balance the firmness of the shoe as the foam itself is on the firmer side already. I wouldn't likely to spend $250 on these shoes but if I see it down to $200, I would get a pair.
You know that when Kofuzi says "Personally I don't love the $250 price point" he really means, in a very diplomatic and polite way, "It's a little too expensive compared for what it offers, compared to the competition" and then, to prove the point, he shows you an excellent alternative at $200. That's some real added value! Thanks Kofuzi, your knowledge and insights are always helpful.
I’ve seen comments to this effect quite a lot recently on the channel but just to reiterate the sentiment - the production quality of these videos is exceptional in every aspect.
Thank you
That upper screams "CEASE AND DESIST!" Sounds like Brooks are really get close finally to entering the marathon racing conversation. More options is a win for everyone.
Brooks: These are speed holes. They make the shoe go faster.
I appreciate how you differentiate between mid sole densities. I am 6'1, 200 pounds so shoes that you describe as a little bit more firm than you like tend to be right in my wheelhouse. Thank you.
Yes, he's done a great job recently of adding descriptions which help those of us in other categories interpret what to expect. (6' 215lbs)
Thanks for the feedback!
I’m a large guy (6’2”/270ish) who is just looking to run around a 50-60-minute 10K and this shoe is already maybe my favorite shoe I own after one tempo run and one long run. I think this is a great option for the big boys and those just looking to run fast for them but slow in the grand scheme of things. If you’re a 9-10 minute plus pace Clydesdale, you’ll love it. Smaller and faster? I’ll defer to others on that.
Thanks for the update!
Thank Kofuzi for your job reviewing the new shoes 🙏🏻
Thanks for watching!
Thanks so much, Mike! I really appreciate the buying/pairing guide!
thanks for watching!
I find myself struggling to purchase anything with EVA as its primary foam at this point. It may be incorrect to think this way, but the newer-age foams just feel so much better, even for daily runs in things like the Superblast.
It is not incorrect to say that at all as it is your preference for your feet. I agree, so many shoes now offer at least partial non-eva foams and it makes the ride so much more enjoyable for me. I think if a shoe is all eva it should be much cheaper than its non-eva competitors ans why think this shoe is not good value at all. Price should be 160-170 like a super trainer.
@@RUN-SC I don’t need everything to be 100% peba, but even TPU and TPEE foams like Lightstrike Pro are just miles ahead.
Absolutely correct. EVA is for mowing the lawn
The shoe is a beauty. I personally use a rotation of Bondi8 + Triumph 20 + Hyperion Max, but this one sounds like my next marathon pick
Nice
I seem to share your taste for popping carbon plates, I'm definitely not elite, and I already have plenty of speed day shoes so thanks for warning me off this one. Love the upper. Agree that it's a gorgeous colorway befitting the father of the sun and moon.
Thanks Kofuzi. Very great concise delivery of the product
Can definitely vouch for the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 2, I beat my 5k, 10k, HM and Marathon pbs in the same pair of those last year
Looks like Brooks is coming out with goodies, good looking and interesting shoes for those who prefer somehow firmer ride
its great to have options and this sounds like a different recipe than just another Vaporfly copy but for that kind of money I want a top tier shoe with top tier "energy return", they may have improved EVA but I doubt it can compete with Peba etc. in terms of resilience. After all, it's the foam that provides most of the efficiency gains, not the plate.
I'm not a fast runner but the Like to Kofuzi. Have a great monday.
Nice review as always. Seeing this had me thinking about your anger about the V1. I guess this is an improvement.
That was quite the misstep
Fair and honest review
great review as always! thank you
Shoe looks awesome but it's still way too firm. EVA - nitrogen infused or otherwise - simply cannot compete with PEBA. They're night and day in terms of responsiveness.
Hmmm, we will disagree. My Pumas are not firm with Nitrogen infused midsole.
I think if you like the super squishy Asics or Nikes, then unstandable.
@@davidlynch9049Nitro foam or nitro elite foam is nitrogen infused but not eva so will definitely be more lively.
Kkkk hahaha, yes! night and day! Brooks need to work harder and listen to customers
@@davidlynch9049bro FF turbo is not squashy at all 😂
What you say doesn't mean much if you haven't run in it.
Seems like the shoe has come a long way since the disastrous release of the first version
What happened with the last one ?
Yo!!! 👏. We wait for the 'non-elite' branding hehe
If Brooks made a proper super shoe they might have runner in the olympic marathon this year
100%
Nailed it!!! That’s what cost CJ his spot
After having heard that the DNA Flash v2 is a nitrogen infused TPEE/EVA, would really love to hear your thoughts on the Hyperion 2. I feel like it’s one of those shoes that’s being slept on in 2024.
I can't wait for the Hyperion Max 2 to release.
Liked it a lot more than the Hyperion Elite 4.
@@Chungdol92 the Max 2 reviews looked great. I don't know the release date, but it looks better than this shoe.
@@ABucc I tested it in our preorder for brooks. We get it in fall 24, it is kinda unstable, but otherwise not really much difference to the elite 4, for much less money. Also it has a full lenght Pebax plate.
I know I’m going to love that. I heard August release from my running store. Meanwhile I’m enjoying my 2nd pair of the current Hyperion Max.
@@Chungdol92 The Brooks rep said in a video that the Hyperion Elite 4 was released in Feb. along with the marathon trials and that the Hyperion Max 2 will be released in June when the track and field trials are held.
Several years ago ASICS turned the corner with their shoes as did Saucony. Something happened. R & D or just new engineers but it worked. I remember the Speed. Incredible shoe!! I think shoe of the year 2019/20? Brooks is still sooo far away from that occurring.
You are right. They still stick heavily to EVA foams but at least this is a shoe that is somewhat in the right direction. It is designed in collaboration with 50K world record holder CJ Albertson and he won CIM and California Baja Marathon (a week later) in these shoes with times 2:11:09 and 2:11:08
hmm this is a tough one, you have left me with lots to ponder on , I really like the hyperion max for trainng / tempo and I have had a PR'd in the Puma elite 2's last year.. but at the back end of last year I smashed my half marathon time in a peba/plate based supershoes (by 13 minutes) and currently training in the Saucony rotoation .. much to ponder on.. perhaps the brooks trio for my superhalfs campaigh starting in the Autumn. 🤔. Love puma's but my old toes / forefoot take a pummiling in the narrow toe boxes .
Maybe endorphin pro?
A little off topic….will you be running the Cooper River Bridge Run in Charleston, SC the beginning of April??
Unfortunately no
Which brooks shoe NOW is the closest to the hyperion Elite 2 from years ago??
They were one of the best shoes I've ever had for speed.
I’m sure you could probably find a lot of Hyperion elite 2 still, but if not, maybe Hyperion tempo or Hyperion max?
@@kofuzi I'm looking but hard to find right size / trustworthy sites. So, the hyperion elite 4 wouldn't be the closest shoe to it ??
@@kofuzi I'm looking for the best shoes for 3km - 5km all out max effort races. Which shoes would you say are best (generally) for 2 mile time trials max effort ??
as a Non-elite it is not for me haha great video as always :D
I testes this shoe in our pre-order... I dont know man...definitely not for me if I have to compare it with other Shoes like the Adidas adios pro 3 or the Li-Ning feidian Ultra 3. Which I currently use.
It's kinda firm and I'm way more stable in the Adidas.
For me it is a very very expensive tempo shoe aswell.
I would have seen it at around 200-220€
But I'm sure it will find its fans, its well made and also kinda pretty.
Part of me thinks a $200 price point for this shoe would have made a huge difference. Another part of me thinks that, for the runner for whom this shoe was designed, the price point is exactly right.
This is the fastest shoes in the planet right now. Some pros making secret trainings and they reveal the use of Supercritical EVA like the DNA Flash from Brooks and Puma.
Disappointed to hear that it was so firm... I am looking forward to the new Hyperian Max
Runnable!
only watching a Brooks review... as this is a Kofuzi video :P
Thanks for the support!
this is the shoe.. this is the shoe.. but there is no show. its hard to find this shoe in my country.
same as saucony. next review please 😂
Do you review Nike as well?
This shoe without a plate sounds really appealing if they could bring the price down; I guess we'll see how the Hyperion Max 2 will feel like, don't like how wide the platform is on the Max 1
I mean, I’m pretty sure the regular Hyperion may be what you’re looking for
@@kofuzi need more stack height than what the regular one has, I'm feeble and weak
@@brainkaleI think the upcoming Hyperion 2 will have a bit more stack. Same DNA Flash v2 as the Hyperion Elite 4 and Hyperion Max 2
encouraging
Lets go!!!
why do companies such as brooks and asics make these shoes but only go up to size 13? wheres the love for the size 14 and up?
I’m guessing there is some math/finance involved. I have no idea
@@kofuzi i agree
What is the midsole material in DNA Flash 2?
Nitrogen infused EVA
Hello Kofuzi, is brooks a much better brand than Altra in your opinion?
There were a significant number of elites besides Des Linden who wore this shoe at the Olympic Trials. Conner Mantz, just to name one.
Mantz is sponsored by Nike and wore a Nike shoe, not the Hyperion Elite 4. Zack Panning and CJ Albertson wore the Elite 4.
@@jordanschneider1077 CJ Albertson is their top runner in these shoes right now. He has running 2:11:09/2:11:08 marathons in them (CIM and Baja California a week later).
It's hard being a reviewer AND have good relationship with companies, when your livelihood depends on it. Still I hate it when reviewers sugarcoat things. This shoe is not on paar with the other race shoes, at the very least it should be cheaper.
Of all the brands I’ve been accused of having bias towards, Brooks is quite possibly the most humorous accusation.
Have you not heard me tell the story of the midnight drop of the 25-mile-life-expectancy Hyperion Elite v1?
Not interested in this shoe at all, but enjoyed the review and quality footage no less!
Thanks for watching!
Why is it that Brooks owners remind me of people that buy bike equipment at REI?
250 ? Righteous bucks ☝️😎
Thx for the video. The way you describe the Hyperion elite 4 reminds me a lot of my ASICS Metaspeed sky+. What do you think of this comparison?
One of those two shoes is a bit firm but fun for 5k/10k racing. The other is my favorite race day shoe
But the sky + is firm.
kofuzi sir i hope this message finds you well.
can you plz make a review video on asics gel-kayano 30 .
thanks to your videos i have already purchased nimbus 25 and novablast 4!
and planning to add kayanao in my collection but sadly no unbiased review available on youtube.
plz sir if possible do make one
I tend not to review stability shoes
@@kofuzi ok sir!
Go find "Old Man Van Running" channel on RUclips. He has review of Kayano 30 and I believe also has 100 mile review. The guy reviews stability shoes mostly. You might also find some other alternatives compared with it.
@@TolunayOrkun thank you sir
@@aamirjoad You are welcome.
Brooks's midsole is so firm that they know they don't really need a full plate...
Exactly and this is the right type of plate for this type of foam.
I guess this is not an option for pronators :(
I simply can't run in these. Not enough cushioning for me and $250 is just way too much. Would rather just run in the Hyperion Max
These are higher stack than Hyperion Max. Definitely there is cushioning but I take you mean softer cushioning.
Exactly. I would love to like Brooks. It seems only the super Champion like Desire Linden, my favorite champion of all times. Again Brooks is way behind among the other companies. Especially in the super shoes market,but also in daily trainers.max cushioning... Run happy is their motto. How sad this company is...
CJ Albertson (50K world record holder) has won two marathons in these back to back (1 wk apart) in these. CIM with 2:11:09 and Baja California 2:11:08. I am also very critical of Brooks for not using PEBA foams but what they did here is not too bad. I think by going to grid type plate they were able to balance the firmness of the shoe as the foam itself is on the firmer side already. I wouldn't likely to spend $250 on these shoes but if I see it down to $200, I would get a pair.
These destroyed my feet in a half marathon
When one breaks 3, they are elite. Oh wait…
I dont think I have seen a good brooks review
$250 for a non peba midsole is way too much. Even Hoka has moved away from EVA with their most recent racing and fast day shoes.