Chopin Etude Op.25 No.6 - Tutorial - Rapid Double Third Scales
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- Опубликовано: 14 янв 2014
- This tutorial on double third chromatic scales is 4th in the series "How to Practice Chopin's Study Op.25 No.6"
Because of the complex nature of Op.25/6, the tutorial series is divided into short videos videos the student, step by step though the study.
Full performance:
• Chopin Etude Op.25 No....
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Score image files from the videos can be downloaded from my piano facebook page:
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Free PDF score Mikuli Chopin Etudes:
imslp.org/wiki/Etudes,_Op.25_%...
scroll down page to: Editor - Carl Mikuli (1819-1897)
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Dohnányi Essential Finger Exercises.
en.scorser.com/S/Sheet+music/E...
on page 5 at the time of making this video, scroll down to "Essential Finger Exercises.
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"Recommended study Nouvelle Etude No.3:
3 Nouvelles études, B.130 (Chopin, Frédéric)imslp.org/wiki/3_Nouvelles_%C3...
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In this video all musical examples played with the harmonic pedal:
Chopin Etude Op.25/6 played with the harmonic pedal and score:
• Chopin Etude Op.25 No....
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Links to videos in this tutorial series:
"How to Practice Chopin's Study Op.25 No.6"
Part 1 - Introduction
• Chopin Etude Op.25 No....
Part 2 - Double Third Trill
• Chopin Etude Op.25 No....
Part 3 - Double Third Scale
• Chopin Etude Op.25 No....
Links:
Part 4 - Rapid Double Third Scales
• Chopin Etude Op.25 No....
Part 5 - Bar 27-34
• Chopin Etude Op.25 No....
Part 6 - Bar 35-64 (end)
• Chopin Etude Op.25 No....
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Schumann's "Hand Injury"
"It is common knowledge, not only for pianists, that Robert Schumann hurt his hand with a mechanical device. We know that for a fact, it makes sense, it is a good story: The musical genius, who in order to advance his ability at the keyboard, to compete with the great performers of his time, challenges fate by endeavouring something unnatural, and subsequently suffering a tragic loss. Icarus. But: It's not true.
It's a myth, a great story, but not true. Some time ago, while researching mechanical devises, I found an essay by the British music scholar Eric Sams (1926 -- 2004), who in 1971 (!) published an Essay in Musical Times (an English music journal, in continuous print since 1844) titled: "Schumann's hand injury." That 40 year old and apparently completely ignored essay makes an irresistible argument against the notion that Schumann hurt his hand with a mechanical device. A true myth buster".
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My worst nightmare... Rapid thirds with chromatics and large jumps in the left hand simultaneously of course... X_X
Yeah this looks like horror to learn
Too much work !!!
Currently learning it and uhh let’s just say… it’s just… no 💀
Paul your humility is amazing
Your tutorial videos are amazing Paul! You're FANTASTIC!
I'm a pianist with postgraduate trainings from 2 of the very best music institutions in North America. Things like Liszt's Don Juan is part of my performance repertoire.
At first I was quite sceptical about this tutorial video. Then I noticed his champion fingering in the very opening (13 24). I've only ever seen Valentina Lisitsa do that, so I took note and thought "wow, impressive!" - but it was a bit choppy. Nonetheless I kept an open mind and tried that holding ball exercise once or twice (using rubber). Fascinating - but I left it at that. The other details like fingering, I have already worked out.
Today, I was noodling around the piano and randomly tried that 13 24 fingering (I had been doing other fingerings). IT WORKED! I CAN DO IT! I don't know if that exercise helped or not, but regardless I'm here to give kudos to Mr Barton for being able to do something incredibly difficult, and sharing his methods generously to all who care to listen.
13-24 is a bad choice. Yeah, it will work for some people, but most of us will work better with 14-25
Dohnanyi's exercises are great, however Liszt's technical exercises are out of this world !! Book 1 deals entirely with finger independence and strength and envolves the the same concepts of holding notes with some fingers and playing with the other fingers BUT the thing about Liszt is that he implements every aspcet of piano playing : they range from pianissimo to fortissimo, include accents for different fingers, legato and staccato and alternating between them, and they include different rhythms with so many combinations of short and long notes so it's not just an infinity of sixteenth or 32th notes and are in so many key signatures so your hands and fingers deal with all sorts of different positions on the black and white keys, Liszt covered almost every single scenario possible on the piano, he has 12 Books in total which deal with every you can think of : scales arpeggios chords octaves trills thirds fourths fifths sixths and many more, these exercises have literally catapulted my technique, finger strength, independence and dexterity to whole new level in a short time span THEY ARE THE BEST EVER !!! I recommend them for everyone who is looking to improve his technique, finger strength and independence (if you are willing to practice them, do it in a manageable tempo speed is not the point, and with quiet hands)
could you name them?
doable for a dude with small hands ?
my prof recommended first Dohnanyi and then Brahms. I would just say nothing happens in a short span of time, unless you've been doing something wrong for a long time and you magically find out how to do it properly. If we are talking finger dexterity, muscle stamina etc., it takes a long time and over-exercise is your biggest danger.
I find this one slightly easier than 10/2. But I have to confess that I tend to use standard double 3rd fingering rather than what Paul does. I think what is important is that is sounds musical, accurate and comfortable so don't be afraid to experiment with alternative fingerings. This is, yet again, a wonderful video!
This etude is out of my league (but i am interested in improving my double notes). However, I have watched a few of your videos and you are a great teacher! thank you for all of these!
Growing up, I was told to practice like this with a ping-pong ball in my hand while I used my 3rd, 4th and 5th fingers. My friends thought I was crazy when I did this. Thank you for sharing.
Oh my God, this video is amazing!!! Thank you very much!
GREAT VIDEO!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!
I have always tried to avoid repeating thumb on white keys in chromatic scales, now I am going to try your excercises. Very interesting, challenging, helpful. I think the first part introducing Dohnanyi finger-excercises can do me good. Thank you. :)
Great tutorial! Thank you for posting!
Awesome!
Thanks for Great tutorial! & posting and your time!
Excellent!!
BRILLIANT!!
とても勉強になります。三度の重音の練習曲は難しくて避けてました。その前に作品10の2の半音階の練習曲も速度が付かずもたもたしてました。作品10の1のハ長調の分散和音の練習曲は高校時代からよく弾いていましたので改めて練習曲集を完結したいと思います。
Smoothness and evenness in the right hand ascending thirds allows the melody in the left hand moving in contrary motion to be a real point of interest for the listener.
Divino!😮😮😮 Simplesmente maravilhoso!😍🙏🙌🙌🙌🙌
This is the only proper double third tutorial on RUclips
Wow, that's interesting
Thanks great teacher
Hi Paul. Wow, what a delight to see your older videos on this piece and the approach you take to mastering your technique.
Just an amazing sound you create.
I only happened to stumble across this video out of curiosity (I haven't played op. 25 no. 6, but I have played op. 10 nos. 1 and 2, and this video highlighted no. 2 in particular), and what surprised me is your fingerings for thirds.... I for one, am very adept in using (starting from C-Eb, upwards) 13-24-35-23-24-13 etc, but you used 13-24-35-23-14-13-24 etc.... and when doing chromatics using 12 fingerings, I slide down finger 2 at Eb and Bb, but it seems you did something else.
Mind you, I'm familiar with 1-1 fingering, as I've used it in the past, and Chopin's prelude no. 24 had this fingering for thirds, but I always found that it made thirds sound broken, which is why I use 2-2 and sometimes even (starting from Db-E downwards) 24-13-25-34-15-24-13 etc instead, to achieve better legato in thirds.
I just want to ask what makes 1-1 fingering (the one in this video) a viable alternative to the other types, regarding thirds?
Muchassssss Graciassssssss😆😆😆😆!!!!!! mejore increíblemente mis terceras este video !!!!!!
Thank you very much!!!!! improve my thirds with this video incredibly !!! 😆😆
you are a relly great pianist and teacher. I like your vids. 6:57 is so funny with the smily-ball , it seems to laugh because it is tickled .
Bravo! Super!
You're an angel
Like always, awesome. But this time it was better
hi man , nice tutorial
I have a question how long did you need to learn this peace ?
Mr Barton, look my composition played by myself.
Etude in thirds.I do hope you will enjoy it.
I learned how to play thirds with yours advises.
But I am still not good like you.
Amazing! Thankyou. Love your videos. I'm going to be finding some happy face balls too!
super fingers.....
Amei!!!
That Tip with the Ball lmao. Shows youre a nerd. Shows we watching this are nerds. Cheers, like it 😃
Excellent avec la balle =)
Now that's just damn sneaky using thoese balls!! However awesome....!!!
great idea the pingpong ball for op 10 n2 ! 6:24 now you should be able to play and hold a glass of wine at the same time ! 😂
thank you so much for this advice i will practice with it
i have to report that since playing the wider "sixths" trill kinda figure (depending on your speed) in nocturne, hmm, 4 or 5, performing the trill in thirds felt ridiculously easy maybe that helps someone too :)
That's crazy but I love it
@paul Barr
I still want to get you a Gyro Exerciser, speaking of rehab, and holding stuff in ur hand.
The ping pong ball thingy reminds me of Lang Lang playing the black keys étude with an orange, haha.
Don't you feel any pain ? I thank you for the amasing videos.
double thirds at rapid tempo are so difficult
*at any tempo
I find single thirds hard even. So hard to play a third with just one note.
I think of rapid chromatic thirds as some of the most impressive displays of virtuosity on piano. Maybe some day I'll be able to, and then I'll finally be Able to play the d minor prelude
I can't half play this but it looks like the type of song that's easier once you get the technique down pat.
I tried to exercice this for number of times it is impossible to play it in such a fast way
Exactly!!!!
It's not double thirds, but simple thirds or double sound/notes.
How about stop talking even if you can’t play it better
Speed is also not quite there yet...
I can't play fast all I play it's mellow and legato more like Chopin etudes
I would love to play this, but I only have 2 hands.
10:01
Can I get to play this someday if I started at the age of 17? Am I too old to dream of playing this?
There are pianists like Arcadi Volodos and Lucas Debargue who started learning the piano around your age - look at what they can do today!
Having said that, they are incredible talents. The odds are very much stacked against you. But if you like music that much, you owe it to yourself to try!
Even the great Aram Katchaturian started only formally at 19, although it was the Moscow conservatory.
I can’t play a single bar of the thirds Etude.
After making Czerny 740 and Moskowski opus 72 these studies are breaded, Chopin is preparatory to Czerny opus 365
Whats the fingering for thumb and index chromatic scale??
1-2 when there is no black key its 1-3
@@caedrickgaming4801 lol he did not actually use third finger, that like impossible to play at fast tempo
Legato is not quite there yet...
I feel like the diatonic scales are actually the hardest parts of this etude - they are a complete NIGHTMARE to play legato ;~;
13 24 oh no
i use 14 25
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where"s a slow motion double thrid chromatic scales ,,,,
don't hurry hurry I want to see the slow motion want to know please :(((
Now then Paul Barton let's see double thirds both hands in contrary motion, in every key. Now double 6ths!!! XD 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lol kidding
EDIT: you can probably do this easily lol
Is it just me that jumped when Paul started talking at 8:35? Must be the headphones.
b a l l
Guiomar Novaes plays this etude , however your performance is better than her.
I can assure you that concert pianists dont practice with balls. They just take a week or two to learn the peice
concert pianists already have the tecnique to chopin etudes
They may have practiced like this when they developed their technique, whats wrong with that?
@@shu3684 ummm. No. Sorry
@@novellmusicmedia6895 and how would you know
@@shu3684 cuz I'm a classical pianist, opera singer, and teacher. That's why RUclips recommended the video to me