What if everyone plays a Sorcerer in D&D 5e
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- MONSTERS OF DRAKKENHEIM is 300+ pages of eldritch horror inspired monsters for 5e by the Dungeon Dudes! Coming to Kickstarter March 26th, 2024: www.kickstarter.com/projects/... We take a look at how we would build an all sorcerer party, their strengths and weaknesses, and what sort of campaigns we would run for it.
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02:15 - Intro
03:13 - Inspiration
13:08 - The Party
22:02 - Combat
27:27 - Exploration
31:41 - Social
35:08 - Strengths
36:26 - Weaknesses
43:40 - Ranking
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Did they really mention turning a whole X-Men-inspired team into T-Rexes and _not_ immediately make a joke about The Rex-Men?
Missed opportunity. Smh.
The award goes to you then. Congratulations lol well played
You get inspiration and bardic inspiration.
"Rex-Men" would be a good name for their adventuring party. It reminds me of how Jay Foreman's RUclips channel refers to his team as "Map Men".
The Rex-Men adventuring party could modify the lyrics to the song "Men in Tights" from Mel Brooks' movie "Robin Hood, Men in Tights". 🤔 😜
Favourite moment:
Monty: “Everybody can bring silvery barbs”
Kelly: “Gross”
Fully made me laugh in the parking lot 😂🤮🤣
This is a great time for the “Everyone begins in prison” trope.
What if magic is outlawed? The last four sorcerers escape to take down the baddy - who, of course, is secretly a sorcerer not wanting any rivals.
Sounds like "Ultraviolet"
Cyclops is clearly just a sorceror-warlock multiclass who melts all his spells into sorcery points to spam eldritic blast.
And two levels of fighter for action surge so he can Optic Blast more.
Either Battle Master for Rally or takes Inspiring leader too
@@KnicKnac both
Except he can damage things, not just creatures.
Then it's Fire Bolt all day long, @@EdAllen
"All gas, no hitpoints" - the Z-Friends
up until around level 7
I heard: “All gas, no hippopotamus.”
Basically the same thing…
@@NoNameBoi9987Giant apes go brrrrrr
It's the glass cannon party
Tbf, I did once roll a storm sorcerer with an 18 in Con at level 1, and the tough feat from VHuman, so I had more HP at level 1 than both a monk and a cleric, and I was tied with a Fighter that didn't get as lucky with his stat rolls. 12 HP at level 1 for a caster is just really really fun
A party made up of a half-elf, a half-orc, a half-dragon, a half-angel, a half-demon, and a half-great old one, who over the corse of thier adventure discover they all have the same bard father
plot twist: two start falling in love
@captainpolar2343 it's the half-demon and the half-angel, with the half-great old one as the 3rd wheel
He would be the All-Father, a viking skald who wields a spear and has a two-head raven familiar.
😂😂😂
That's a stupid idea for a campaign, and I love it.
Can I steal this idea, please?
Is this umbrella academy?
A lot of discussion of "born with" powers, but I think there's so much more to "something happened" stories
I like the idea of a campaign where they all start and play as sorcerers, but none of them were born that way, so they are all new to the whole magic thing. They would have to deal with the changes individually, as a group, and in the face of a world that has definitely changed in their perspective and in the way that they are treated by that world. Lots of awesome RP potential.
Totally agree. A party of previously-normal people who wake up to find they’ve been experimented on and have strange abilities they don’t understand.
You’ve gone from X-Men to Doom Patrol.
@@fearlesselbow6831, I'm all in. When do we start?
In what Universe is Jean Grey not an Aberrant Mind Sorcerer? She is inately connected to an ancient entity in the phoenix force that is basically the source of her powers and when she becomes the phoenix it almost perfectly mimics the high level abilities of the Phoenix force.
Warlock might work better imo
I was thinking divine soul. She is merged with a divine force that grants fire and healing to go with her psychic abilities.
Finally! The sorcerer video! Personally, I'd go with Divine Soul, Aberrant Mind, Clockwork Soul, and Draconic Bloodline. Also, the X-Men inspiration is amazing since the trailer for X-Men '97 came out today lol
Yeah I was thinking about swapping the Lunar for the Draconic, but while the Draconic is a tad tanky, the D6 still holds em back from being a solid frontliner.
Had to pause the video to go check it out immediately!
I grew up on that animated show. The theme song is stuck in my head
@@gamergunn7139Could combine Hill Dwarf with Draconic sorcerer to get +2 hp per level. Add Tough for even more.
Monty talking about sorcerer passing down spells reminds me of the Fate Stay Night take on it being family crests.
I love that he considered Dragonmarks as a potential add-in for the racial make-up of the party. This is similar to an old campaign of mine, where the characters were all seed avatars of lost gods looking to return to the world. Each carried a mark associated to the god they were to bring forth and special power associated with it (AD&D and into 2e, eventually using Skills and Powers). It was a tragic tale, where all of the heroes were destined to be consumed by the rise of the god within them, but the play was so great. When they figured out that would be their fate, the play became so much more intense and focused. Great times.
My friends and I did this when playing the Against the Giants module. We did a tag team maneuver with one person concentrating on Fly for the party, everyone else concentrating on greater invisibility, we flew over giant encampments and carpet bombed them with multiple castings of fireball and chain lightning. It was absolutely wild
The 5 Draconic Bloodlines party. You each play as one of the different color of the major draconic bloodlines. Mulitclassing is allowed. AND you can start multiclassing after level 2. Start the game off as level 4 or 5 so you can get a solid base build going. Will you stay a pure sorcerer or take some bard to be the life of the party. Do you embrace your heritage or hide from it?
Story: you and your new companions are brought together in order to re-awaken the ancient dragon in order to protect the world from a cataclysm.
Conclusion: since the only way to get a pure martial sorcerer, such as a bladesinger, you would have to homebrew one. Allowing multiclassing you would foster more exotic builds with rich gameplaying potential.
Thank you for the video! My favorite series thus far.
Another way for sorcerers to make counterspell even meaner is to use distant spell so people who want to counterspell just aren't in range.
This. Or hide the sorcerer inside an illusion.
For exploration, and skills in general
I would like to point out that burrowed knowledge is a non conc spell that you can grab from divine soul, giving you proficency
and skill empowerement gives you expertise in a prof you have
you can get expertise in everything that you require, by the right price
Funny that the X Men 97 trailer dropped on the same day as this. 😄
I genuinely thought they did it on purpose at first until I realized they would have recorded this before that dropped
I think something that people don't always lean into with Sorcerers is the family dynamic. Years ago I played a Draconic Sorcerer from a Brass bloodline, and that Ancient Brass Dragon enjoyed using magic to masquerade as a Bard, traveling around and engaging adventurers and taverns in songs and adventures. In his travels he fathered many children with many different races, and eventually came to think of his extended family as his personal treasure, especially his descendants that showed magical aptitudes. So my sorcerer was openly accepted as part of the family. In our setting, sorcerers can sense other members of their clan pretty naturally, so there's never a question about whether or not someone belongs. What made this great is that often, the "cousins," as they called themselves, were not of the same race, and they were all super accepting of each other as family. So if a halfling sorcerer walks into a new town and sees a half-orc sorcerer roughing up a local, they might walk up and start causing a huge scene with this other sorcerer, getting everyone riled up and ready to fight, only to laugh it off and reveal that they're "cousins." You want your High Elf and your friend's Mountain Dwarf to be related? Make them sorcerers with the same ancestors. It was great. We even had family members that spanned the alignment spectrum, and rules for engagement within the family. If one cousin wanted to invade a country and another cousin was trying to save that country, they would have to meet up, exchange proper greetings, treat each other to the utmost hospitality (meals, room and board, whatever is needed), and calmly discuss their goals and stances. If an agreement couldn't be reached, they would then agree to taking their own sides and fighting, but they HAD to try to avoid infighting with other family members. If they broke those rules, great great granddragon would punish the offending side (they were allowed to fight, they just had to attempt diplomacy before hand). That's what made playing a sorcerer so great for me, I always had family members popping up out of nowhere.
That is just so awesome.
I would LOVE a video of Kelly and Monty each putting together a team of 4 X-Men and what class/Race combos each would be.
That was so Canadian 😂
“The Zed-Friends or surry the Z-friends for our American audience”
You mean “The Z-Friends, or sorry the Zee-Friends for our American audience”.
@@ajdynon Zed like Zedbra!
Gee like geehost
I recently saw the marvel ttrpg book at the store so I’m glad you mentioned it briefly.
The comic series Runaways is a great point of inspiration. Villains of different backgrounds join together for a great sacrifice intending to give up one of their children who all take off with their various lesser power sources and go on the run together.
For a Frontliner, it might be worth noticing that clockwork soul sorcerer get access to Armor of Agathys.
To the comment section question:
I appreciate you brought the dragon bloodline question in at the end at least rather than never. While the x-men reference is hilarious and on-point, the pure chromatic dragon team seems like the perfect time to bend the rule of varying subclasses. Tons of great choices for both min-maxers and role-players alike.
Yep, I really see this as a great opportunity to go with all dragonborn of different lineages, or else to make some minor alterations to the subclass to give different dragon type vibes. Concepts for a 5 character party: a brass cannon or green gasser, a gold or red carpet-bomber, a bronze or blue lightning spammer, a copper or black acid splasher, and a silver or white freezer. Could even make opposing parties, there. If you use gem types, you could go with an amethyst telekinetic, a crystal laser cannon, an emerald psychic blaster or mental manipulator, a sapphire sonic boom, and a topaz corrupter or corpse puppeteer. Added fun for building with Draconblood or Ravenite versions in mind.
That would be a freaking GREAT series after this one!
X-Men, Star Wars, Dragonball, Ninja Turtles, Mortal Kombat… a lot of good stuff for this series!
The concept of Sorcerers inheriting spells and when yall said "Mystique can cast alter self at will" gave me an idea for a campaign where the party have to protect or a child who through these inherited spells was born or grew into at an early age being able to cast Wish at will.
Oh that is so cool.
And interesting side-note: all these 'one class parties' are testable in Balders Gate 3. Just respec everyone as the same class and see how they do! Lack of some sublclasses (e.g. bladesinger) makes an imperfect experiment. And DM's ability to adjust tactics to counter novel PC strategies & weaknesses (which a smart BBEG would do).
just started playing a hill dwarf draconic sorceror with the tough feat and I have more hp than most barbarians at my level, combined with shield, absorb elements and a quickened blade ward when its needed and you make a suprisingly solid frontline
I've built that too and it is sick.
Have a guy play that Fafnir build. I homebrew him a cantrip called Eldritch Claw which is melee Eldritch Blast.
I like it! Did you put that in DnDBeyond, by any chance?
Pointy har has made a dragon mafia, that gives there "employees" there magic powers.
So that could really work for full sorceror party
The Fey touched and Shadow touched feats help you expand your spell list and spells known as well. I really like playing a variant human Sorcerer with one of those feats to give two more spells known (and extra castings of levelled spells early on, too).
I did that on a Shadow Sorcerer and took Bane, and it was great. Later in the campaign, I did land the Bane + Synaptic Static combo once, and the high AC members of my party loved it.
Other than what was mentioned some Campaign ideas/ inspo would be: 1) last airbender themed either using storm/ draconic etc or just adapt the 4 nations to be based on alignment have clockwork be law etc.;
2) 4 horsemen of the apocalypse with demonic divine souls, shadow, aberrant etc;
3) Political intrigue based but the major factions being esteems mage houses or each linked with Patron like Arch devil/ fey/ celestial Or literally make them the children of gods and steal from Greek myth / war of the gods vibe;
4) magic school based using ‘The magicians’ as inspo OR My Hero Academia and your subclass themes are your quirks;
5) Anti-mage/ inquisition theme
6)Drakkenheim-esque and have a magical anomaly causing mass awakening of people with sorcerer y in a previously low magic world
7) Spyro the dragon all as draconic sorcerers
8) Dragon age inquisition & you’re all only ones who can close rifts with new magic
9) Naruto based with each being a host to powerful ancient creature dragon/ devil/ primordial and villains trying to hunt you & extract them
10) The Fantastic 4
11) All stripped of your magic/ memories as children and left in orphanage or abandoned but it suddenly sparks of magic have returned you’re in an adventure to reawaken your full power and discover who stole magic & why, could even be from a noble house and your magic was taken along with the throne
12) Walpurgis is coming up & your party/coven have to find the location it’s being held at, get there and possibly collect souls or artefacts or break seals/ set up rituals in specific locations in order to perform a grand spell or refresh your magic or release your demonic lord- possibly avoiding witch hunters & sabotaging enemy covens/ cults along the way
This is literally Wizards of waverly place.
It kind of steps on the cleric party concept but a party of 4 demi-gods that have innate magical powers would be really fun!
Everyone Twin-Casting concentration spells is likely the most broken thing in this entire series. I love it!
As soon as I heard two old sorcerers arguing with each other, I immediately felt like this was an X-Men reference with professor X and magneto
I think a fun all sorcerer party could start with everyone not knowing who they are. You all awaken in a crypt if you go Reborn or a lab if you all go Warforged, and much of your adventure is spent trying to figure out who you were/why you were created and what happened. I think it'd be a fun mystery and a unique way of having the players all have the same primary personal goal to guide them in their travels.
Aura of Vitality with extended spell metamagic
Or Distant to double the range.
@@simonburling3762 the range is self but distance spell does allow that then to be cast at a 30’ range so it’s not going to make the radius 60’ but it does mean you can throw it away from you and then hide I guess. I’d probably not use it that way as I think it’s great as an out of combat healing spell but not ideal in combat as it takes your concentration.
As for the setting, one of the first things to come to mind was a world where magic had just awakened in a world that didn't have it before. Lot of potential to explore the social ramifications, as well as that sense power coming from a person due to essentially becoming a magical creature, influenced by things that are special to them. Having to help out other people who don't know how to control it and accidentially turned the pet dog into an elephant, big bad wants to limit people's access to magic due to destabilizing their ruling authority, or is the first wizard in existence, having been the cause of the flood of magic.
The Devine Soul can take Barrowed Knowledge,, and suddenly you now have someone who can be proficient in every skill
4 Loki variants tasked with planes-jumping the timeline to fix the multiverse.
What a concept. I liked that in the MCU. Could be even more fun in a Planescape type setting. The City of Doors is a great focal point for that kind of campaign.
I always wonder why there isnt a sorcerer subclass that is a gish / spell sword. They'd be a natural fit because they would have more time to train with their sword.
Also ....why there isnt a fey based subclass, because a Fey bloodline would also be such a natural fit for so, so many reasons.
Or a fiendish or elemental/primordial subclass, sorcerers just need more subclasses for each monster type, cause we already have one for dragons, aberrations, celestials, and constructs but none for beasts, fey, fiends, undead (unless you count shadow), elementals (storm is only one of the four elements), giants, monstrosities, oozes, or plants.
The fey thing is obvious, because the devs think would be too similar with warlock, is also why we dont have a draconic warlock (and seeing most HB dragon warlocks, they maybe have a point)
A gish Sorceror? That's actually a cool idea. Maybe they can turn their body into weapon, similar to how weapons work in Soul Eater.
the thing elemental threy trid to mkeone for each element and jsut storm got a pass from UA @@jamescoughlan7175
One of my players mixed the bloodranger of pathfiner with thdie of creating arcane weapons of force to make a gish sublass,we dint treid ye t tho@@Jw87563
You could halfway generate a frontline Warlock via a combination of making the Clockwork Soul sorcerer take Armor of Agathys, upcast the heck out of it, and possibly find a way for it to get some weapon/armor proficiency via race and/or feats. Add in Bastion of Law for some additional defense, and prolonging the lifespan of Armor of Agathys.
Animate objects will allow you to bring statuesque guardians to life. Twin animate objects, and haste. Two badass physical guardians for a couple of rounds
Idea #5: You take all the setting books and articles for Magic the Gathering - Theros, Ravnica, Strixheaven, Ixalan, Kaladesh, Zendikar, Dominaria, Amonketh - add fan-made ones - Kaldheim, New Capenna, Eldraine, etc. PCs are Planeswalkers - people born with magical Spark, an ability to walk between the planes, but able to only take themselves and things they carry, no other living creatures. You give each PC an unlimited use nerfed version of time-shift. Then lt them explore the multiverse. Whenever you feel the campaign is getting stale, you can just Plaeswalk or have someone to Planeswalk to another plane. Today you explore lost ruins on flying islands of Zendikar, tommorrow you drink and party in mob-controlled Steets of New Capenna.
Are you guys going to get one of those tables? Looks awesome!
Invisibility and pass without trace makes this group God tier at stealth
I would love to see this party fight the wizard party. Team sorcerer for life!
I would love to see what if everyone played as a druid! i have an upcoming campaign with three different people wanting to play druid and it would be very helpful to know what sort of shenanigans they could get up to
can you do a party of 4 artificers video? i might have not seen it in the catalog if you did already. thank you
I think some great inspiration for a campaign could come from anime like Fairy Tail or Black Clover where the party is part of a guild of misfits who take part in increasingly difficult missions. You can take it in multiple directions then, like facing off with rival guilds, political intrigue with how the kingdom treats guilds (and maybe ranking the guilds against each other by performance), an ancient evil slowly being revealed through some of the tougher quests, and maybe even recruiting some former enemies to join and help face a tougher foe.
Got a intresting build here for a single classed martial Sorcerer. Race i suggest one of the dragonborns mainly a gem but a metalic could work. A elf could also work. Next take Dragonic Sorcerer take the green flame blade, Booming blade, quicken spell, transmute spell, take a feat or background to give you a proficiency in rapiers, your 3rd highest ability will need to be dex, lastly i would take gift of the Metalic dragon, then chromayic dragon if possible.
By using quicken spell you can make a additional attack with the rapier by casting one of the blade spells, basically free uses of the shield spell, AC is equal to mage armor, Extra 20 hp cause dragon Sorcerer, and they way you uses these is melee attack then quicken blast attack, you can booming blade then thunderwave, finally run away. Now is it as good as a blade
My mind immediately went to magical girls. I think it would be a really cool way to incorporate that kinda storytelling in 5e!
I was just thinking about how cool it would be to do all sorcerers in the "Mistborn" setting while they were bumbling over how to not-so-subtly talk about the Z-Friends.
So ... Aberrant Mind, Clockwork Soul, Divine Soul, Lunar Sorcerer ...
These characters are the avatars of these entities (eldritch being for Aberrant, something from a plane of order for Clockwork, a deity for divine, and a moon spirit for Lunar), and basically they're a bunch of cosmic beings taking a gap year slumming it playing VR Adventuring Party
Seems my post got eaten, so Idea #3 once more: PCs are member of a noble family of Sorcerers, where every member has magic and position in family is determined by your magical potential. PCs would try to advance in the family, while defending it from outcasted members, those born without magic or unable to controll it, usually by their parents fault (think Davi from MHA).
Then they slowly begin to realize the family's "head of the table" is actually a Hierarch (Sorcerer Lich designed by Pointy Hat) who seems to groom one of them into becoming their new gost body.
Draconic Sorc being unmentioned kinda sucks, theyre not as flashy as the lunar or runechild but they cover one of the biggest weaknesses in that they have a respectable ac and aren't as squishy as the others, theyd have to be the closest equivalent to a front liner and you could build into that easily, it just wouldnt be conventional
4 sorcerous psions of dragons: clockwork soul has an amethyst dragon ancestor, aberrant mind an emerald one, divine soul has a gold dragon blood line (or even bahamut), and lunar sorcerer Lunar dragon blood. If your 4th is shadow, obviously a shadow dragon.
Quite an interesting video. I did not foresee all the possibilities at once, but watching you guys debate on it gave me so many ideas. Now as a Dm I do not think I would want to see players turn a group of 4 Players into T-rex all the time....that would be so freaky... :)
Don't sleep on Planer Binding because with that spell you can potentially make all the summons you mentioned not require concentration
Burn a 6th level slot once a week, a 7th level slot once month, an 8th level slot once a semester, or a 9th level slot once a year? Pretty sound, unless the summoned creature gets killed or banished or some such.
@@wildewalker at higher levels you cast it using a 9th level spell slot, and then use a 8th level Planer Binding and then the next day use a 9th level Planer Binding.
@@wildewalker And if for some reason you have a creature that doesn't want to be bound that's when the spell Magic Circle comes into play
Would like to point out that certain race choices could make a big difference in the decision of how to prioritise ability scores.
Both Tortles and Loxodon can dump Dex. Mountain dwarves get medium armour proficiency and can grab heavy armour with a feat at level 4, so they can dump Dex as well if you can make it there with the negative Dex modifier. So for a 4 players party, if you don't have any 2 players playing the same race, you really only have to have just one sorcerer with high Dex.
Gambit is a 3rd level Thief, then Sorcerer the rest of the way with Magic Stone and Catapult spam attacks using playing cards!
Colossus (Warforged mechanically, reflavored as a 'special human') is primarily a Barbarian Bear Totem with some Sorcerer buffing. And some Steel/Stone Skin flavoring.
Wolverine is a Zealot Barbarian who gets rezzed after every combat, with some crazy regen/thp spamming combo and maybe Haste. Arguably also a Hexblade.
Mystique is a Changling Rogue Assassin/Shadow Sorcerer for buffs, kills, and escapes.
Dazzler is an Elequence Bard/Divine Soul Sorcerer bearing a striking resemblance to Taylor Swift.
Storm is also a level 3 Rogue but a Scout, and Storm Sorcerer rest of the way.
Phoenix could easily spam Fireballs, Chromatic Orbs, Walls of Fire, Force Cage, and Magic Missiles without much reflavoring needed. She could even be cross classed with a Fiend Warlock for the coffee combo and free fire-related powers!
Man, I could go on like this all day!!
I don’t know if anyone said it yet, and while I hate that it’s not inherent, Nightcrawler as a tiefling swashbuckler with a Cape of the Mountebank. It even adds the brimstone smell.
I would argue that an all sorcer party needs a dex>cha draconic sorcerer. They are not great, but they naturally get more hp and armor, they’re green flame blade can be decent melee damage for no resources, quickened to get 2 attacks around, and war caster
I've often thought about playing a Hill Dwarf Draconic Sorcerer that way to get additional HP per level, maybe with the Tough feat for even more HP. Then there's quickened spell and Dwarven Fortitude to be able to attack, dodge and heal myself in a single round.
Hard disagree. They ARE great. I have a Shadow Sorcerer Melee combatant that was incredible. I even dropped the Hexblade levels because it ultimately did nothing for the build until you had 5 of them.
Blade Cantrips, Shadowblade, and Quicken Spell make up for lack of Extra attack feature, and you can dual wield with one being the Shaodwblade.
I love this series, I'd love to see an all fighter party, action surging their way across a whole realm 😂
With an all-fighter group, I would think that a Rune Knight can be a skill monkey. At level 3, they can pick up the fire rune that gives them expertise in all tools and other runes can give you advantage in some checks and Xanathar's gives optional rules to give advantage when you have a skill and tool. So you can get a number of skill checks with double proficiency and advantage, which means that they might not have to up a bunch of abilities.
You can get more tools with downtime, and the mountain dwarf can get 7 tool proficiencies just from their race by trading in weapon and armor training.
@@williamgordon5443- And you can go with the Jedi concept with Psi Warrior, a ranged powerhouse with gunslinger or arcane archer, and a battlefield controller with echo knight or battle master.
All sorcerer variant human party where they all take Skill Expert would be so nasty.
This party breaks the rule of "Geek the mage first!" Kinda hard to do that when everyone is a mage. Also for magic items, the Master's Amulet would help for the frontline.
Thanks for the video!
Quick point, Divine Soul gives you access to Animate Dead. That could cover a lot of your fighter/tanking needs.
To combat enemies teleporting out with the vortex microwave, one sorcerer then uses darkness to obscure the area making sight impossible and a last one casts silence so no verbal components, that should cover 95% of all teleporting.
Mountain Dwarf allows for Medium Armor. With Half Plate, that at least allows for a 17AC. It’s not great but it’s up there. A Staff of Defence gets it to 18AC. You’re still relying on Shield to boost it. This guy can be your Divine Soul sorcerer so at least he has some protection using Spirit Guardians. They also get Shield of Faith, but probably isn’t worth the concentration.
My idea for full sorcerer campaign:
All different draconic sorcerers, each a chosen avatar of their respective colors race. The ancients are trying to decide who among them is the strongest so they set this test in motion. Each picks a champion and when they are of age they are brought together to start adventuring to gain (individual) power and see who (by campaigns end) is the strongest. To prevent killing each other and to have an equal playing field to know if it truly is the dragon race that is making the difference they are forbidden from violence against each other and they MUST stick together for their journey.
Technically outside the scope, but since you mentioned Wolverine, you could play a Barbarian like a sorcerer (born with power that manifests as magical strength and toughness) and still fit an XMen type setting, especially the Storm Herald, Totem, Wild Magic, or Zealot subclasses, round it out with a more magical heritage (or a shifter to rly play into the wolverine aspect) and background for utility stuff, or even ritual caster feat and have them be the ritual guy
Also I really wish something like the giant soul had made it to print or that the draconic sorcerer had more of an emphasis on the draconic aspect rather than just elemental, like using sorc points to basically have Wild Shape, Bladesong, or Rage, hulk out like a half-dragon, get a bunch of bonuses like natural armour, damage mitigation, and claw and bite attacks, and be a front-liner
Once again I am upset that there is no sorcerer gish subclass
Excellent video, always a pleasure
Also I wish you guys allowed yourselves to use the expanded spell lists you made for the other sorcerer subclasses but it's understandable why you didn't, still would have been cool
Gosh sorcerer is interesting to me because how do you combine the bloodline concept of sorcerers with the swords or a gish? And how would that be any different then a bladesinger?
Without multiclassing, it is tough going, unless one of them is a mountain dwarf. If you expand the subject to allow a dip, then a bit of hexblade warlock or paladin goes a very long way to making it possible. Even swashbuckler rogue can make that more viable, though it, too, is better when bolstered the same way.
One word to help out the short rest problem: CATNAP.
I am playing an all wild magic sorcerer party on my Baldurs Gate 3 Honor run, wish me luck!
(I’m giving each 2 levels of multiclassing so they don’t all feel the same, so we got a paladin and a cleric multiclass so far)
I think one thing to consider about exploration is how often that also means infiltration. Like one character concept had was a changeling clockwork sorcerer who would use his shapechanging ability to infiltrate places. I think once you consider things like that or Plasmoids from Spelljammer, Deep Gnomes, Halflings, Bugbears exploration is less of a problem if you utilize racial traits leveraged again with spells.
Sorcerers also get Wish, I can see some serious shenanigans there. You know all 4 are going to grab that.
I think approaching a campaign similar to Magic the Gathering stories with the planeswalkers getting "their spark" because Sorcerers aren't exclusively born with their powers.
A lot of sorcerer backstories include some weird incident that occurred where that person was touched by the weave and was never the same.
Bonus points if you wanna make it a really complex high level campaign that takes the Planeswalker model seriously, and every member has Plane Shift.
Could be a huge multiversal plot.
The fourth member should be a hill dwarf draconic soul sorcerer. This would be your tank. (and with dwarven fortitude, a wolverine style healing factor) he would focus on fortifying spells and the weapon cantrips (booming blade, green flame blade) While he would have a d6 for HP, he gets +1hp/level for being a hill dwarf and +1 hp/level for being a draconic sorcerer and +2 per level for the toughness feat. With false life and stoneskin and absorb elements, you can be a fine tank.
Fairie fire if one is a drow that brings that. You want to make sure that the all sorc needs to have races that give spells.
Gambit I would be inclined to make him a Stone Sorcerer. For the smites and spells like Erupting Earth, flavor it as being explosions from "thrown" cards. Charging up allies to reduce damage, it'd be great....ish.
A Lich is gathering the components for a doomsday device to harvest every soul on the planet at the same time. He thinks acquiring that many souls, instantaneously, will make him a god. It has been decided that Sorcerers would best be capable of defeating the Lich through use of Subtle Spell. A tournament is announced to determine who will join the party to stop the Lich. The players would then participate in the tournament and, of course, win places on the strike team.
You could definitely flavour Barb rage as a supernatural magically sourced power if you’re just going for the X-men concept and you’re not hard set on all sorcerers. Fun concept
Now all I'm thinking about a house of sorcerers. They aren't all the same subclass of sorcerer, because everyone in the family is an absolute lunatic and goes around trying to sleep with everything they see. Basically a dnd party anyway. They always try to get the kid back in the family to get all the ludicrous magic ability back in house, and they use it to take over their city/country or whatever.
The families thing has inspired me further for a setting idea.
What if every character class was an extended family and every subclass a branch of them. So Eldritch Knights are part of the Fighter family that married into the Wizard family.
Each family dominates different areas of society or even different nations but as technology advances and the ability to do magic/hit things a lot of times is diminished by the tech anybody can wield the peasants are getting restless…
You could all go turtle or lizard folk or luxadon for natural ac's . And remember that the abberrant mind's expanded spell list doesn't require subtle spell when casting them through sorcerer points it is automatically added in , meaning its spell casting goes further, and the luner sorcerer gets a free spell a day so , its possible to go further than expected between long rest.
Side note regarding the combat side, an amazing pick for Clockwork Soul would be to swap out Alarm or Protection from Evil and Good for Armor of Agathys, which they get access to since the Clockwork Spells can be replaced by any Abjuration or Transmutation spell of the same level from the Sorcerer, Warlock, or Wizard lists. If you've got prep time before the fight, everyone throws on the buff spells they can, then the Clockwork Soul puts up the highest level Armor of Agathys they can and invests a bunch of sorcery points into Bastion of Law to act as a damage shield and let the Armor of Agathys stay up longer. Get to high enough level to throw on Tasha's Otherworldly Guide and boom, for that fight you are basically a Hexblade with full caster spell slots. Make the Clockwork Soul a Mountain Dwarf, and you start with Medium Armor proficiency, as well.
Good idea. Add a Hill Dwarf Draconic Sorcerer with Tough and the team isnt looking as squishy. To round it out the tiefling that has con bonus and Armor of Agathys can be the Divine Soul, and Half-Elf for the Aberrant Mind for extra +1 to stats and extra skills, besides +2 cha.
I know they mention that there is no real front liner. Using Tashsa's to change your +2 from con or str to cha a stone dwarf to start gives you a 14 in str, dex, and con at first level and a 16 in cha. having prof in medium armor and several martial weapons, getting halfplate as soon as you can gives you a 17 AC. As a Clockwork soul you can grab armor of agathys for extra hit points and a nice bite to anyone who hits you. Bastion of Law allows even more damage mitigation. just the basics of a thought im sure it can be made better.
Make your Divine Soul Sorcerer a Mountain Dwarf and then they've got Str, some martial weapons, + medium armor covered, and there is always the Heavily armored feat to upgrade that too
I think a campaign geared towards the Endless from Sandman would be pretty frickin cool
What an opening xD this really made me chuckle xD
Concerning running out of gas, what would you choose as your cantrips?
If everyone chooses mould earth as one of their picks, you could very easily make some defensive positions.
Little off topic, but Iam game master fir a loxodon Druid. Ravnica was attacked by zygtymiy ( auto correct will not let me spell her name ) the demon goodness of fungus and during the resistance a portal was created sucking his young elephant bum through… he’s the only loxodon on the whole planet. There is more to it but it’s amazing I said I can make an elephant person work if you really want. I provided the demon he provided me with the question… “ is ravinca still there? Is anyone left”? Im game mastering fir the first time and it’s a ball. You both are a constant d12 inspiration. So much love my Canadian brothers.
all sorcerer party in Drakkenheim.
sacred flamers: wait, that's illegal
This is one where doing full builds could prove interesting. Species choices like Tortle, Changeling, Mountain Dwarf and many more could address AC, skills, extra abilities to address weaknesses. You hinted at feats too. Consider tough and ritual caster as well as Skill Expert, Lucky….
LETS GOOOO! DO ARTIFICER NEXT!
All artificer sounds like so much fun
love this series!
I didn't get the x-men bit at the beginning until he said the gifted youngsters
All right dudes, Here's a video idea for you. How do the sourcerers' blood and blood hunter mix? Multiclassing or casting spells on each other.
I’ve been playing with a aberrant/hexblade and I have to admit…going all sorc would make my character better.
Definitely one of the three top classes in D&D.
To comment on the "no melee" issue, and while it's not perfect by any means, Summon Construct and Sumon Aberration come online for CS and AM at level 9.
guys you NEED to do the video on making xmen into dnd - i tried doing a few of the avengers but was relatively new to dnd and lost the account. i’d love to see this video because it would be awesome to see it coming from professionals