@@k9crypto998 1) I am removing a small waste piece, so the blade can not bind up 2) My hand follows the cut through just like cutting with a fence and is not past the blade where it could be pulled into the cut. 3) My blade is low. Worst case the piece will ride up the blade and spit at me and I say spit and not kickback because it has no way to build any energy by binding on the fence or the blade. As some stated this cut is safer in theory than a cut with a fence, however I will simply say that the danger is only in the operator not understanding the cut they are making and doing it safely.
As someone whos worked with tablesaws for 15 years and have done these type of cuts regularly. I literally just lost the tip of my thumb on one not 4 months ago. Never get too comfortable around dangerous tools.
The second time i ever used a tablesaw, my grandfather taught me how to cut freehand. Its safe, as long as you can keep track of your fingers and the blade
It is one of the most important skills I have. There are definitely some ways to do it unsafely but a fence will get you in more trouble if you start f'n around.
I freehand scribes on TS all the time. One practice that mitigates safety concerns is to first rip normally with the fence to a parallel dimension fairly close to the widest part of the final scribe line. When the offcut of the scribe cut is narrow and flexible (
Free-handing on a table saw is an essential skill for a professional carpenter. I do it all the time on jobs for cutting scribe lines just like this. There's a risk with every tool you use. If you handle yourself accordingly it's fine. Time is money and I make good money doing that sort of thing.
If you’re sure you’ll never have kick back… and being very good at it took time. You’re advertising getting good at it meaning you should do this. And that’s actually not so smart to tell kids (amongst others).
@@a.d.leerentveld8980I am yet to understand what is any more dangerous about how I am using the table saw than using it with a fence. I have no moral dilemma with people learning to free hand scribe on a table saw. It is no more dangerous than using a saw with a fence. Notice the blade is low, my body is clear of kickback and my hands are in front of the blade where they cannot be pulled into the saw. Kickback is nearly impossible because I am cutting a small waste piece off of the trim so the blade cannot bind. Find the added danger in that scenario and then we can have a discussion about my moral duties to the "children". I think there is a divide between weekend carpenters or "woodworkers" and career carpenters. Somebody had a bad day with the table saw and decided it was dangerous to cut freehand without proper analysis of what really happened. There are certainly poor decisions one could make and get hurt. But free hand scribing on a table saw is a daily operation for a good finishing carpenter and you will need to learn it to make money in this business. If you scribe your baseboard with a jigsaw and belt sander like a cabinet installer you will lose your shirt or your job.
Your making a big assumption that you understand one is more dangerous than the other ? Meaning using a fence? Trust after years of using it both ways it’s all dangerous ! Being a professional carpenter means you’re gonna get hurt. However , if you’re afraid of doing the job and learning then do something else . Period !
@@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry Sir ! I am learning from you and enjoy your video plus Instagram page ! However ; there will be those who believe placing a warning on a plastic bag not to stick it over your head and leave it there is a needed signage ? Or signage on a bleach bottle not to drink? Or a Chainsaw showing not to shove a moving blade into your head ? Please ! Carry on especially some more on your preferred portable table saw blade for scribing ? I use a forest WW2 or Tenru Gold ?
As a licensed plumber I can unequivocally say I have no clue whether it’s safer to cut free hand or with a fence but table saws do scare the shit out of me and I’ll leave that to and respect the carpenters/wood workers for it
As a licensed plumber and a part time woodworker, I know table saws are dangerous freehand and with a fence. So I use them both ways carefully. The same way I’m careful with the threading machine
@ yeah but the amount of destruction a table saw can cause compared to a threader and how quickly is much different. Threaded, thread fairly slow comparative to the turn of the blade on a table saw
Cutting freehand is often safer cuz there’s nothing for the wood to bind against. The principal danger with table saws is cutting light pieces that can get thrown at bullet speed.
Im an experienced cabinet maker, trim carpenter. This is the correct way to do it. To get it better IF YOU SUCK on a table saw, get close to your line and grind without a gaurd LIKE A PROFESSIONAL AND LIKE A REAL MAN.
people who say it is dangerous are people who dont actually do any work with a table saw. the skill to do this freehand and getting a useable result is remarkable! hats off to ya.
As someone who has a table saw extensively freehand is safer than a rip fence without a riving knife . There is nothing for the material to bind up and cause kickback .
The material and the blade bind up. What are you talking about. Table saws are dangerous anyway you use them. So like the guy says in the video don't use a table saw dangerously. Not just freehand just think about what could go wrong and minimize it from happening. It's called being careful. But you thinking it can't bind up if the first mistake. It absolutely will catch that wood and send it through your stomach.
Saw will lock on wood part pishing plank upwards with you and your hand. It's generally hard to harm if you are always in good condition, but protection used to mitigate bad conditions
I’ve used a table saw for 17years I’m not sure I’ve ever had a guard on any table saw unless I was making more than 3 of the same cuts and still even then probably only a hand full of times I’ve even used it then as long as you got a good blade and a steady hand your all good!
I remember doing some retrofit windows with an apprentice, and the jamb extensions needed to be scribed. I started free handing all the jambs on the table saw while he watched, and he looked terrified. When I was done he just said "That's not something they showed us in school" 😂.
I do it all the time just a little understanding of the machine’s caricature, I’ve been doing tablesaw work for forty seven years and I still have all my didgits
@@TommyTalks508 That is good to know, I never did go to trade school just learned on the job. Never heard of this danger till people started pointing it out. A quick google found plenty of advice against it. I couldn't do my job effectively without it.
The only problem I have with this is what the newbie might do with this information. I've always felt that safety is usually a personal thing. If an accident will only affect you, then you are the one setting the rules. The people teaching others how to wire something dangerously brings up way more trepidation than this.
Free handing can sometimes be safer than using a fence. The amount of sketchy as FUCK times I had where a piece got wedged or stuck from sawdust, the “HOLY SHIT WHERES THE ESTOP” feeling happens to me way more with a fence. Mind you, 2 totally different applications. Would I free hand a scribe? Yes. Would I free hand cross cutting? Probably not Would I free hand ripping material? Probably not
Those people also work solely out of a garage, and they like to review what they can't do as wrong....whatever. I've been recklessly using table saws for 15 years now, and I haven't been in danger not once.
I don’t think it’s fair to lump all free hand maneuvers together. A long (and relatively heavy) piece of MDF baseboard with a back bevel, a scored scribe line, and a (fairly) underpowered job site saw is safe IMO. But we all know there’s guys who push it too far and don’t respect the tool and pay for it
@@Meh_Good_Enough For sure, I am just not sure how it became some "rule". I actually researched it and you would be surprised how many woodworking gurus say flat out not to do it. I have been doing it for over 25 years daily and didn't know that it was a faux pas till people started calling me out on my shorts and reels.
@ doing freehand cuts like this is a daily occurrence on a trim carpenter’s job site. That being said, I would not do it on a higher power saw or stronger material like hardwood, that’s how kickbacks happen
@@mattstmartin9232 I try to nail it most of the time. Touch up with a block plane if needed. Most of my work is fixed price, so time is money. Also I find it way easier to track right on the line than keeping it off to the side. What ever works and your comfortable with.
@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry Every time I try to nail it at the table saw, I inevitably get off to great start then 3/4 of the way thru mess it up haha. Thus my reasoning for holding back. Ya I hear ya on the fixed price part...
@@mattstmartin9232 if your focal focus is RIGHT AT where the blade contacts the line/wood... Your focus should be the line before the blade while mentally paralleling the line and blade. I hope I explained that in a understandable way...
Removing and cutting without the riving knife is a really bad idea. Had a crazy kickback without it and “learned” what the knife is there for. Only thing that saved me from worse was the limited but still dangerous power of my job site saw. A high powered big shop saw like the one in the video can have a huge kickback from a no knife cut like this. Odds are you would only lose a finger or two once out of a thousand cuts though…lose the finger on the first cut, or the 999th, tricky math problem?????
The saw in all the videos is an 8-1/4" job site DeWalt saw. A nasty kickback requires the blade to bind somehow. None of the clips in the video present a situation where that will happen as I am removing a small waste piece. A riving knife makes the effective cut length longer and does not facilitate the kind of cut we are trying to make while scribing. Most of us will experience kick back one or more times in our lives and it usually happens when the fence is being used as it provides more leverage to bind the blade.
@@Mike-dy8bq It lengthens the effective cut length and does not work well for scribing. It is designed for straight cuts which is not what I am doing in these videos.
Sorry make sure you have the experience and right mindset meet all the time… I cutted my face in half roughly ten years ago that gave the right mindset on every attempt now..😂😂❤!! Be careful 😊 have fun…
If someone comments that I am doing something dangerous I think the burden of explaining why is on them. I am demonstrating the cuts in this video that were critiqued and still there has been no reasonable explanation why it is more dangerous than using a fence. Anyone who understands the physics will know that using a fence is in fact higher risk than the cuts I am showing here.
@@GT-43 Left is a guide like a fence that I can pivot around, the back/right one is steering. It's like shooting pool. Key to not to be too rigid, like riding a motorcycle in sand if you know what I mean?
For the most part, a table saw is only as dangerous as the idiot using it. If you're not an idiot and treat the machine with it's due respect, you'll keep your digits
I was a fireman and I cannot tell you how many times I have been called out to ‘expert’ tradesmen who believe exactly the same as you. I hate this macho rubbish. Not even the action, just the arrogance 🙄
@@140rware Please understand that there is a real debate about the danger involved here and for you to assume that there is any added danger here without knowing what is going on is what is arrogant my friend. We are trades people and we confront risks daily. By having an open forum discussion we can improve systems and reduce risk so we don't need to call you as often. If you have nothing constructive to contribute might be best you stay out of that conversation. I won't tell you how to fireman if you leave the carpentering to me thank you.
@@gregrossel3978 I'm just scribing baseboard and other trim here so bringing the cabinet saw onto the job would be a bit pointless. With the types of cuts I am making here, however it would not be an issue.
It’s not extremely dangerous the way you are doing it, you’ll only lose a fingertip, but I’m not guaranteeing your line is straight and you won’t joint with that board…
I hope it isn't straight it's a scribe cut. It's a common way to cut scribes on site. Where the disagreement comes from is shop rules vs site rules for using a table saw. I have and use my fence when it is appropriate.
Funny how a free hand table saw is seen as problematic but not a circular saw, which is basically an upside down table saw lol. I'm not on your level but you look like you know what youre doing! It's not riding the fence so what's there to judge?
With more power and a 10" blade on a shop saw you can get into trouble. I'm running an 8-14" blade on this little portable. It's more of a shop rule that people don't fully understand the physics of and get all alarmed when they see me doing it.
I agree with your statement. The problem with many is they don't pay attention when using a table saw and put their hands in a bad position. Having in and out tables is key when cutting larger pieces.
@@jhalleck I was the finishing foreman for a frame to finish company so I was always working with young guys who had been on the framing crew previously. The amount of times I had to talk to them about in feed and out feed was frustrating. Watching guys do that last big push on a long piece with no out feed was painful and scary. Eventually they got it but I am sure first day back on the framing crew and they were back it. 4x8 sheet on a portable table saw on scissor stand in the mud with no in/out feed.
I mean, you get a much cleaner cut using a table saw when you but a scribe line than you do a jig saw, and I mean it's a bit easier to do so as well. Yeah, if you're just gonna go carelessly then there's a problem, but if you know more of what you're doin and are patient and cautious there's not much of a problem... I do it daily on a table saw for custom trim
It’s dangerous to give a sense of security to the inexperience creating a situation where they can seriously hurt themselves. This is very imresponsible on your part. Is even worse if you doing this for the algorithms.
You mean like the false sense of security people get by following safety dogma instead of thinking, learning and understanding their equipment? A fence does not make a saw safe. If someone thinks the fence is safer then they have a false sense of security. Teaching BS safety is what gets people hurt. Teach them to feel, hear and understand the forces at play and they will be much further ahead. This short was in response to peoples comments who have done nothing to learn their equipment and only repeat BS safety advice they are the only robots that this post was aimed at.
@ Correct, that’s the kind of response I expected and confirmed my point exactly 👍. Nothing says guilty as someone who is willing to put people in danger like you.
Inexperienced dush bags will say that, becaus3 they suck so bad and can't do it their self! I get a lot of hate for being REALLY GOOD AT EVERYTHING! Stupid people are stupid, do not let it get too you!
@@marksatterfield triple stupid if you comment on a video where you have no clue what is even going on? Just trying to follow this thought process through for you.
@@matins7327 Sure there are ad I have some. I am scribing in all of these clips cutting small pieces of waste off so there is no chance the blade will pinch. Riving knife adds to your blade cutting "length" which reduces the cut radius which makes it close to useless for scribing.
I'm not your mom, I'm not here to tell you not to do it, it's your life to do whatever you want. But dangerous activities don't become not dangerous just because you do them a certain way. You can't control the environment around you.
@@jaywiebe7612Nothing, if you had a larger sheet and were trying to cut it down the middle you could pinch the blade and have a kickback. I am scribing with my table saw and it is a common practice on the job but some "shop" woodworkers aren't used to seeing it and have no experience with it so they feel the need to educate me in the comment sections of my videos.
@@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry ahh that's what I thought. I've done a fair bit of freehand cutting on a table saw and never really considered it to be any more dangerous than using the fence. If you don't keep your head on, these tools will all be happy to ruin your day. Splitting a full sheet freehand sounds like a terrible idea to me.
Only a goober would do it unnecessarily but I've done it to make long scribes before but with that said... same cuts can be made with a skill saw and possess less of a risk
@@gabevalerio1982 how is it less risky with a skill saw? How can it be done as easily with a skill saw? I have a very special Japanese import circular that I use for scribing (see my short about it) but I struggle to see how someone could be as accurate and effective with a full sized circular saw. Bevels the wrong way for one.
People who can't do complain about dangers. Nothing wrong with free hand on the saw. Thirty years doing it and never once a problem... After thirty years I did find People are stupid...
Get more years and develop more skill than.. I can make table saw cuts with my circular saw but I've been doing this for a wee bit longer than you have at a guess
ruclips.net/user/shortsKvRyOgNsd54?feature=share maybe watch a few more of my videos before "guessing" my skill and experience. I clicked your profile and found jack shit, so I just have to assume you're a bad ass carpenter from all the jaw flapping you're doing in my comment section.
Can you explain these actual physics and the difference between cutting freehand safely and dangerously?
@@k9crypto998 1) I am removing a small waste piece, so the blade can not bind up 2) My hand follows the cut through just like cutting with a fence and is not past the blade where it could be pulled into the cut. 3) My blade is low. Worst case the piece will ride up the blade and spit at me and I say spit and not kickback because it has no way to build any energy by binding on the fence or the blade.
As some stated this cut is safer in theory than a cut with a fence, however I will simply say that the danger is only in the operator not understanding the cut they are making and doing it safely.
As someone whos worked with tablesaws for 15 years and have done these type of cuts regularly. I literally just lost the tip of my thumb on one not 4 months ago. Never get too comfortable around dangerous tools.
@@masonCOBwing Sorry to hear that man. I am still intact, but have caried a thumb to the hospital for somebody else.
Would you say you were four anything?
Were you too confident befour hand
Done it a thousand times over the last 40 years as a trim carpenter/ remodeling! Still have all 10! 🤲🏻
The second time i ever used a tablesaw, my grandfather taught me how to cut freehand. Its safe, as long as you can keep track of your fingers and the blade
It is one of the most important skills I have. There are definitely some ways to do it unsafely but a fence will get you in more trouble if you start f'n around.
Who dares wins 🏆
I'm a furniture maker and cabinetry. I've never had a problem freehanding. It's kind of necessary.
I freehand scribes on TS all the time. One practice that mitigates safety concerns is to first rip normally with the fence to a parallel dimension fairly close to the widest part of the final scribe line. When the offcut of the scribe cut is narrow and flexible (
Anything dangerous is only dangerous if it is done dangerously
@@nametabekul “It’s nice to be nice..to the nice!” - Major Frank Burns
Unless its inherently dangerous.
@ for instance?
@@nametabekul cutting freehand on tablesaw.
I regularly do this. Table saws are arguably just as dangerous with the guide as they are freehand.
Free-handing on a table saw is an essential skill for a professional carpenter. I do it all the time on jobs for cutting scribe lines just like this. There's a risk with every tool you use. If you handle yourself accordingly it's fine. Time is money and I make good money doing that sort of thing.
I hope you stay consistent with that thought through out your woodworking career.
Done it a thousand times ripping planks for flooring. Once you've done it enough you can just send them through.
No, you're doing just fine. It takes a lot of experience and accuracy 💯 so let them hate!
This is the same way i have my saws. The safety equipment gets in the way of the manipulation i need for my material when doung custom work
If you’re sure you’ll never have kick back… and being very good at it took time. You’re advertising getting good at it meaning you should do this. And that’s actually not so smart to tell kids (amongst others).
@@a.d.leerentveld8980I am yet to understand what is any more dangerous about how I am using the table saw than using it with a fence. I have no moral dilemma with people learning to free hand scribe on a table saw. It is no more dangerous than using a saw with a fence. Notice the blade is low, my body is clear of kickback and my hands are in front of the blade where they cannot be pulled into the saw. Kickback is nearly impossible because I am cutting a small waste piece off of the trim so the blade cannot bind. Find the added danger in that scenario and then we can have a discussion about my moral duties to the "children". I think there is a divide between weekend carpenters or "woodworkers" and career carpenters. Somebody had a bad day with the table saw and decided it was dangerous to cut freehand without proper analysis of what really happened. There are certainly poor decisions one could make and get hurt. But free hand scribing on a table saw is a daily operation for a good finishing carpenter and you will need to learn it to make money in this business. If you scribe your baseboard with a jigsaw and belt sander like a cabinet installer you will lose your shirt or your job.
Your making a big assumption that you understand one is more dangerous than the other ? Meaning using a fence?
Trust after years of using it both ways it’s all dangerous !
Being a professional carpenter means you’re gonna get hurt. However , if you’re afraid of doing the job and learning then do something else . Period !
It’s just as dangerous if you know what you’re doing.
@@Brap_Lord very astute point !
@@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry Sir ! I am learning from you and enjoy your video plus Instagram page ! However ; there will be those who believe placing a warning on a plastic bag not to stick it over your head and leave it there is a needed signage ?
Or signage on a bleach bottle not to drink?
Or a Chainsaw showing not to shove a moving blade into your head ?
Please ! Carry on especially some more on your preferred portable table saw blade for scribing ? I use a forest WW2 or Tenru Gold ?
As a licensed plumber I can unequivocally say I have no clue whether it’s safer to cut free hand or with a fence but table saws do scare the shit out of me and I’ll leave that to and respect the carpenters/wood workers for it
As a licensed plumber and a part time woodworker, I know table saws are dangerous freehand and with a fence. So I use them both ways carefully. The same way I’m careful with the threading machine
@ yeah but the amount of destruction a table saw can cause compared to a threader and how quickly is much different. Threaded, thread fairly slow comparative to the turn of the blade on a table saw
he's not talking about use in general. he is talking about the task of scribing as shown in the clip.
I've used my table saw like that and seriously, if you know how to avoid kickback it won't get squirrelly.
A fence is actually more dangerous than freehand it gives the material something to bind against
Anything can be dangerous if you're reckless. This is as safe as any other power tool with experience.
Looks like you’ve built up the skills to do this safely but imma stick to a jigsaw if I’m ever unlucky enough to need to make a scribe cut like this
Cutting freehand is often safer cuz there’s nothing for the wood to bind against.
The principal danger with table saws is cutting light pieces that can get thrown at bullet speed.
Im an experienced cabinet maker, trim carpenter. This is the correct way to do it. To get it better IF YOU SUCK on a table saw, get close to your line and grind without a gaurd LIKE A PROFESSIONAL AND LIKE A REAL MAN.
people who say it is dangerous are people who dont actually do any work with a table saw. the skill to do this freehand and getting a useable result is remarkable! hats off to ya.
As someone who has a table saw extensively freehand is safer than a rip fence without a riving knife . There is nothing for the material to bind up and cause kickback .
The material and the blade bind up. What are you talking about. Table saws are dangerous anyway you use them. So like the guy says in the video don't use a table saw dangerously. Not just freehand just think about what could go wrong and minimize it from happening. It's called being careful. But you thinking it can't bind up if the first mistake. It absolutely will catch that wood and send it through your stomach.
If the wood gets up on top of the blade it can shoot back.
This is wildly incorrect.
@@The.Floor.Store.At.Your.Door44 or suck your hand/fingers into the blade
Bro that’s how we rip full sheets
50 years experience and never a problem. If you are afraid or confused dont do it. Otherwise mind your own business.
Saw will lock on wood part pishing plank upwards with you and your hand. It's generally hard to harm if you are always in good condition, but protection used to mitigate bad conditions
I’ve used a table saw for 17years I’m not sure I’ve ever had a guard on any table saw unless I was making more than 3 of the same cuts and still even then probably only a hand full of times I’ve even used it then as long as you got a good blade and a steady hand your all good!
I remember doing some retrofit windows with an apprentice, and the jamb extensions needed to be scribed. I started free handing all the jambs on the table saw while he watched, and he looked terrified. When I was done he just said "That's not something they showed us in school" 😂.
Respect the saw. First thing I ever learned about them.
I do it all the time just a little understanding of the machine’s caricature, I’ve been doing tablesaw work for forty seven years and I still have all my didgits
If you're bad, or not a professional, then yes its dangerous. Its totally safe if you know what you're doing. I do this myself when i build kitchens.
It's a saw. It's dangerous. You're never gonna change my mind about that. You just gotta be careful when you use one
I use mine free hand to scribe trim and shit all the time. For production work, much faster than any other method.
As someone who went to NBSS, we're taught how to free hand cut in carpentry School.
@@TommyTalks508 That is good to know, I never did go to trade school just learned on the job. Never heard of this danger till people started pointing it out. A quick google found plenty of advice against it. I couldn't do my job effectively without it.
The only problem I have with this is what the newbie might do with this information. I've always felt that safety is usually a personal thing. If an accident will only affect you, then you are the one setting the rules. The people teaching others how to wire something dangerously brings up way more trepidation than this.
Free handing can sometimes be safer than using a fence. The amount of sketchy as FUCK times I had where a piece got wedged or stuck from sawdust, the “HOLY SHIT WHERES THE ESTOP” feeling happens to me way more with a fence.
Mind you, 2 totally different applications. Would I free hand a scribe? Yes. Would I free hand cross cutting? Probably not
Would I free hand ripping material? Probably not
Those people also work solely out of a garage, and they like to review what they can't do as wrong....whatever. I've been recklessly using table saws for 15 years now, and I haven't been in danger not once.
He is right it’s really not that dangerous now of the piece of wood he was cutting was larger and the tablesaw stronger different story
Great way to cope baseboard 👍🏻
I do it all the time
Exactly right I couldn't agree more
Freehand is completely legitimate. As long as its a skilled operator. I'd never recommend to a novice
Since I used a table saw daily for my whole career … IT IS ALWAYS DANGEROUS TO FREE HAND … that being said if you have to do it then be careful
I don’t think it’s fair to lump all free hand maneuvers together. A long (and relatively heavy) piece of MDF baseboard with a back bevel, a scored scribe line, and a (fairly) underpowered job site saw is safe IMO. But we all know there’s guys who push it too far and don’t respect the tool and pay for it
@@Meh_Good_Enough For sure, I am just not sure how it became some "rule". I actually researched it and you would be surprised how many woodworking gurus say flat out not to do it. I have been doing it for over 25 years daily and didn't know that it was a faux pas till people started calling me out on my shorts and reels.
@ doing freehand cuts like this is a daily occurrence on a trim carpenter’s job site. That being said, I would not do it on a higher power saw or stronger material like hardwood, that’s how kickbacks happen
@@Meh_Good_Enough That is why I use a sled on a table saw on any small parts. Small parts on a chop saw is a recipe for disaster.
Lol im freeanding all my moulding kick plates and filler then finishing with a 40 grit belt sander if needed
“Shooting yourself in the foot is only dangerous when done dangerously.”
@@Zx7227xZ if you want to use a gun reference surely you could come up with something more intelligent than that.
@ feeling stupid only occurs when done* stupidity.
@@Zx7227xZ Wise words
@@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry😂 just busting your balls buddy.
Your full of it .
How close do you generally try to get? I usually back off up to 1/64-- 1/32, then finish the scribe with plane, sanding block, whatever I have on hand
@@mattstmartin9232 I try to nail it most of the time. Touch up with a block plane if needed. Most of my work is fixed price, so time is money. Also I find it way easier to track right on the line than keeping it off to the side. What ever works and your comfortable with.
@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry Every time I try to nail it at the table saw, I inevitably get off to great start then 3/4 of the way thru mess it up haha. Thus my reasoning for holding back.
Ya I hear ya on the fixed price part...
@@mattstmartin9232 You're looking at the wrong place....
@@2869may I don't understand 'wrong place'?
@@mattstmartin9232 if your focal focus is RIGHT AT where the blade contacts the line/wood... Your focus should be the line before the blade while mentally paralleling the line and blade. I hope I explained that in a understandable way...
Freehand scribing base on table saw only way to go.
I mean it’s not that you can’t do it carefully. But the changes of shit happening come down a lot less
Free-handing a scribe by an experienced sawyer is FAR less risky than so much of the table saw use you see on this site.
Removing and cutting without the riving knife is a really bad idea. Had a crazy kickback without it and “learned” what the knife is there for. Only thing that saved me from worse was the limited but still dangerous power of my job site saw. A high powered big shop saw like the one in the video can have a huge kickback from a no knife cut like this. Odds are you would only lose a finger or two once out of a thousand cuts though…lose the finger on the first cut, or the 999th, tricky math problem?????
The saw in all the videos is an 8-1/4" job site DeWalt saw. A nasty kickback requires the blade to bind somehow. None of the clips in the video present a situation where that will happen as I am removing a small waste piece. A riving knife makes the effective cut length longer and does not facilitate the kind of cut we are trying to make while scribing. Most of us will experience kick back one or more times in our lives and it usually happens when the fence is being used as it provides more leverage to bind the blade.
The dangerous part was not having the riving knife installed when you did this.
@@Mike-dy8bq It lengthens the effective cut length and does not work well for scribing. It is designed for straight cuts which is not what I am doing in these videos.
Just keep your digits away from the playing surface!
Everyone cuts it like this..😂😂❤!!
Any tool is only as dangerous as the operator makes it.
Did it today forgot my skill saw but I had my job site table saw
Sorry make sure you have the experience and right mindset meet all the time… I cutted my face in half roughly ten years ago that gave the right mindset on every attempt now..😂😂❤!! Be careful 😊 have fun…
My step dad taught me how to do this. I still do it occasionally. It's not a big deal. Maybe all the "Dads" in RUclips land need to chill the FO.
Usually people who talk the most about what you’re doing wrong have no idea what they’re talking about
Fact!!!!
people probably be assuming because there was no explanation explained lol
If someone comments that I am doing something dangerous I think the burden of explaining why is on them. I am demonstrating the cuts in this video that were critiqued and still there has been no reasonable explanation why it is more dangerous than using a fence. Anyone who understands the physics will know that using a fence is in fact higher risk than the cuts I am showing here.
If they knew better they'd do better. Great work sir
I do it all the time have to when installing hardwood flooring.
Been doing that for 40+ years
I been doing that for over 35 years
Which one is your business hand?
@@GT-43 Left is a guide like a fence that I can pivot around, the back/right one is steering. It's like shooting pool. Key to not to be too rigid, like riding a motorcycle in sand if you know what I mean?
They're just mad they can't do it sir
I do this all the time.
Anyone who complains about how people work online is either a. Unexperienced or b. A karen. Or both.
For the most part, a table saw is only as dangerous as the idiot using it. If you're not an idiot and treat the machine with it's due respect, you'll keep your digits
I was a fireman and I cannot tell you how many times I have been called out to ‘expert’ tradesmen who believe exactly the same as you.
I hate this macho rubbish. Not even the action, just the arrogance 🙄
@@140rware Please understand that there is a real debate about the danger involved here and for you to assume that there is any added danger here without knowing what is going on is what is arrogant my friend. We are trades people and we confront risks daily. By having an open forum discussion we can improve systems and reduce risk so we don't need to call you as often. If you have nothing constructive to contribute might be best you stay out of that conversation. I won't tell you how to fireman if you leave the carpentering to me thank you.
Nobody cuts themselves on purpose.
People don't understand how to do it. Why, never did it b4
Keep the blade low and your ears open. Sharp blade helps too.
If your gonna do something Stupid, at least do it the Right way..
He is gonna lose a finger or cut off part of it one day. 😓
Without a riving knife prevents kickback, its going to happen so easily.
Try that on a cabinet saw.
@@gregrossel3978 I'm just scribing baseboard and other trim here so bringing the cabinet saw onto the job would be a bit pointless. With the types of cuts I am making here, however it would not be an issue.
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its only dangerous if you dont know what you do
This is how I have cut things my whole life. What are people crying about.
It’s not extremely dangerous the way you are doing it, you’ll only lose a fingertip, but I’m not guaranteeing your line is straight and you won’t joint with that board…
I hope it isn't straight it's a scribe cut. It's a common way to cut scribes on site. Where the disagreement comes from is shop rules vs site rules for using a table saw. I have and use my fence when it is appropriate.
totally agree
Funny how a free hand table saw is seen as problematic but not a circular saw, which is basically an upside down table saw lol. I'm not on your level but you look like you know what youre doing! It's not riding the fence so what's there to judge?
With more power and a 10" blade on a shop saw you can get into trouble. I'm running an 8-14" blade on this little portable. It's more of a shop rule that people don't fully understand the physics of and get all alarmed when they see me doing it.
I love to make long rips free hand on the table saw.... its juicy
I agree with your statement. The problem with many is they don't pay attention when using a table saw and put their hands in a bad position. Having in and out tables is key when cutting larger pieces.
@@jhalleck I was the finishing foreman for a frame to finish company so I was always working with young guys who had been on the framing crew previously. The amount of times I had to talk to them about in feed and out feed was frustrating. Watching guys do that last big push on a long piece with no out feed was painful and scary. Eventually they got it but I am sure first day back on the framing crew and they were back it. 4x8 sheet on a portable table saw on scissor stand in the mud with no in/out feed.
lol I always do it called have some nuts
famous last words,
I mean, you get a much cleaner cut using a table saw when you but a scribe line than you do a jig saw, and I mean it's a bit easier to do so as well. Yeah, if you're just gonna go carelessly then there's a problem, but if you know more of what you're doin and are patient and cautious there's not much of a problem... I do it daily on a table saw for custom trim
#tablesawgang lfg
It’s dangerous to give a sense of security to the inexperience creating a situation where they can seriously hurt themselves. This is very imresponsible on your part. Is even worse if you doing this for the algorithms.
You mean like the false sense of security people get by following safety dogma instead of thinking, learning and understanding their equipment? A fence does not make a saw safe. If someone thinks the fence is safer then they have a false sense of security. Teaching BS safety is what gets people hurt. Teach them to feel, hear and understand the forces at play and they will be much further ahead. This short was in response to peoples comments who have done nothing to learn their equipment and only repeat BS safety advice they are the only robots that this post was aimed at.
@ Correct, that’s the kind of response I expected and confirmed my point exactly 👍. Nothing says guilty as someone who is willing to put people in danger like you.
@@smvga6859 Well congratulations on being just another troll and adding nothing to the conversation.
@ ok let’s get this in a live chat. All I need is time and date. You will quickly realize who I am.
Inexperienced dush bags will say that, becaus3 they suck so bad and can't do it their self!
I get a lot of hate for being REALLY GOOD AT EVERYTHING!
Stupid people are stupid, do not let it get too you!
Anything stupid is only stupid if you do it and only double stupid if you create a video of you doing it
@@marksatterfield triple stupid if you comment on a video where you have no clue what is even going on? Just trying to follow this thought process through for you.
No riving knife, is dangerous no excuses.
@@matins7327 Sure there are ad I have some. I am scribing in all of these clips cutting small pieces of waste off so there is no chance the blade will pinch. Riving knife adds to your blade cutting "length" which reduces the cut radius which makes it close to useless for scribing.
Drunk driving is safe, as long as you don't do it dangerously and pay extra attention.
Not a fair comparison.
I'm not your mom, I'm not here to tell you not to do it, it's your life to do whatever you want. But dangerous activities don't become not dangerous just because you do them a certain way. You can't control the environment around you.
@@wakes_incwhat is so dangerous about this? I have a fuzzy idea but please enlighten me
@@jaywiebe7612Nothing, if you had a larger sheet and were trying to cut it down the middle you could pinch the blade and have a kickback. I am scribing with my table saw and it is a common practice on the job but some "shop" woodworkers aren't used to seeing it and have no experience with it so they feel the need to educate me in the comment sections of my videos.
@@Darkhorsecustomcarpentry ahh that's what I thought. I've done a fair bit of freehand cutting on a table saw and never really considered it to be any more dangerous than using the fence. If you don't keep your head on, these tools will all be happy to ruin your day. Splitting a full sheet freehand sounds like a terrible idea to me.
The only people whining are NON CARPENTERS. All these new kids talking about anything carpentry make me laugh. They can't swing a hammer!
Only a goober would do it unnecessarily but I've done it to make long scribes before but with that said... same cuts can be made with a skill saw and possess less of a risk
@@gabevalerio1982 how is it less risky with a skill saw? How can it be done as easily with a skill saw? I have a very special Japanese import circular that I use for scribing (see my short about it) but I struggle to see how someone could be as accurate and effective with a full sized circular saw. Bevels the wrong way for one.
Don't care what Japanese pos you bought... all it takes is a good hand good blade
People who can't do complain about dangers. Nothing wrong with free hand on the saw. Thirty years doing it and never once a problem... After thirty years I did find People are stupid...
If youre scribing trim any other way, you're a rookie KOOK
Get more years and develop more skill than.. I can make table saw cuts with my circular saw but I've been doing this for a wee bit longer than you have at a guess
ruclips.net/user/shortsKvRyOgNsd54?feature=share maybe watch a few more of my videos before "guessing" my skill and experience. I clicked your profile and found jack shit, so I just have to assume you're a bad ass carpenter from all the jaw flapping you're doing in my comment section.