IGN, this is by far the best video you have put in your channel in last 5 years. Trust me, if you keep bringing devs to talk each other, this will be a banger. Damn, IGN please do more of these stuffs.
LOVED this, need more videos like this where we get to see 2 incredibly talented creatives pick each others brains to get a bit of an idea behind the process of making such beloved games!
Legendary devs both releasing two GOTY contenders in the month of October. We need more separate developers collaborating with each other because it makes my face hurt from smiling.
Microsoft really messed up by choosing not to fund Alan Wake 2’s development and letting the IP go. It easily would have been the best XBOX exclusive they’ve had since Halo 2. Thank Christ Remedy was able to make the game they wanted to afterwards.
There was really no point in doing a Miles sequel as the whole point of his spinoff game was establishing him as spiderman so there would be two spidermen in spiderman 2, now when they make spiderman 3 Peter is most likely going to return as spiderman for that game in the future.
Lol you are joking right,the biggest mistake with Spider-Man 2 is not focusing on single character. Everytime miles was there it feels like forced. If spiderman 2 only Focuses on peter it would be so much better. For miles similar way miles Morales part 2 focus on miles would be so much better
forget miles, every scene with ganke is like nails on a chalkboard, can’t believe people were mad it didn’t win best narrative let alone game of the year
@@m4tt-66 But Stan Lee still gave his go and he liked the Idea. So who cares ? Its not like Insomniac made that Character up for the games. He became Important. Like all the other Spider Characters that came with the Spiderverse.
@@schwubmexx Doesn't mean the writing can't be bad. Ever thought that they just didn't execute it well? The OP didn't state to get rid of Miles completely The symbiote is Peter's arc. He's supposed be face his demons and overcome it. Instead Peter is getting saved by everyone the whole game
Damn, almost as if they had different creative goals with their game (compared to Spider-Man 2 and Alan Wake 2) and were trying to tell a wholly different tale.
*made you hate, and then gave you reason to reconsider hating, the second protagonist There is something deeply broken in people who played through the whole game and still hate Abby at the end.
@@cd878 Yeah, Ima whine because Insomniac set up some beef between Norman and Peter. That Peter is like a son to Norman. Imagine when he figures out he's Spider-Man Otto and Peter, his former mentor. Maybe setting up Peter reforming him. Peter's chat with Miles about redeeming his biggest enemy. Next thing you know, Insomniac states Miles is the main Spider-Man. Throwing all of it away, adding a Spider-Woman too. The antagonists having such a close connection to Peter...
16:42 yeah Spiderman 2 still has way too many Cinematics to the point where one would think you making a movie seriously the mission no escape 14 cutscenes and it's not long enough to warrant that many. It's like they forgot they were making a game.
You spend more time swinging and fighting, how is that not a game? Since when did having a high quality cutscenes a bad thing? RDR2 has way more cutscenes and yet you people praise it. Hypocrites.
I'll tell you why they do two heroes. Because they are trying to be more politically correct. You can't just have a white male hero now days. You have to bow to the twin gods of diversity and inclusion. It doesn't matter if it ruins the story or makes no sense it's just about checking off diversity boxes.
When it comes to Alan Wake, Remedy originally wanted to have two protagonists for the first game (with Agent Nightingale as a playable character along with Alan), but had to change plans due to resource and time issues. In AW2, the story could not be told without the second perspective of a character in the "real world". Anyone who knows Remedy's work at all also knows that Sam Lake and colleagues planned for many things in this game, including a second protagonist, since a long time ago. When it comes to this game, then, you are just allowing your bias and bigotry to fool yourself.
It totally needed, Alan was trapped and disappeared from the real world for 13 years, it was crucial to the story a pov of someone out of the dark place.
It is not just about the "strength" of the protagonist. Sometimes you need more than one point of view to tell the story you want. It would be impossible to tell the story of AW2 from just a single perspective.
Sam is the reason people buy videogame consoles, the other dude is the reason you could find a PlayStation 5 for under market value. Kinda a G move if you really think about it, but they’re not the same, Sam is probably among the best writers/devs in videogame history.
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IGN, this is by far the best video you have put in your channel in last 5 years. Trust me, if you keep bringing devs to talk each other, this will be a banger. Damn, IGN please do more of these stuffs.
LOVED this, need more videos like this where we get to see 2 incredibly talented creatives pick each others brains to get a bit of an idea behind the process of making such beloved games!
this was amazing! there should be more vids like this where game directors/devs speak with each other
there is literally an interview between the creator of silenthill and the creator of residentevil
Link? Would love to watch
Videos like this should become an IGN series.
You guys should do a lot more of these videos both devs in this can learn so much from each other considering they both have dlc coming up next year
It's just dawn on me how much work Sam Lake had to put into AW2. Not only did he have to write and direct it. He also had to star in it
He didn't direct it.
@@skybuilder23 He did tho. Sam Lake’s name shows up literally in the prologue credits along with Kyle Rowley, his co-director.
@@skybuilder23he is the lead creative DIRECTOR
Both are Legendary Creative Director & Writer..❤ What a Great Conversation
Sam Lake is a genius
I'm Australian but my inner monologue speaks with Sam Lake's accent 💕
This is awesome seeing these two developers of such amazing games talk to each other!! More of this please
Best thing ign put out in a long time would love more dev conversations with each other
Legendary devs both releasing two GOTY contenders in the month of October. We need more separate developers collaborating with each other because it makes my face hurt from smiling.
Incredible conversation of the geniuses from the gaming industry, thank you, IGN!
Yes IGN please more of this! Just bring devs together to talk about their games from their perspectives. Great video!
Microsoft really messed up by choosing not to fund Alan Wake 2’s development and letting the IP go.
It easily would have been the best XBOX exclusive they’ve had since Halo 2.
Thank Christ Remedy was able to make the game they wanted to afterwards.
Wow is this like the game equivalent of the actors on actors thing? Thats a cool idea
10:30 "we don't do that in games", he says, to sam lake 🤐
What a fantastic interview between 2 fantastic directors!
Damn it Must Feel sooo Surreal to Be Talking To Max Payne
It was great 🎉 with a lot of useful information and stuff to think of! Thank you, IGN ❤
Remedy should make a horror Doctor Strange game
I’d buy tf out of that
@@batmanvsuperman_ That ones even more trippy.
There was a rumor that they were in talks to do a Dr Strange game once.
It's my dream game lmao
@@batmanvsuperman_ yeah the oldest house is also like the sanctum sanctorum
Nice to watch two distinguished gentelmans.This should have more views.
Sam Lake is something else. Remedy are top tier story tellers.
Fr. Two Masters talking about their work process is so cool to listen to
Great guys, amazing conversation, IGN please more of devs get together like this.. Great job 🙏
It was great 🎉 with a lot of useful information and stuff to think about! Thank you, IGN
I’d have preferred a standalone sequel for one or both of them.
This is wonderful content. Great listening to these two.
This was a joy to listen to!
This is a fantastic video! Great conversation, would love more content like this.
PLEASE DO MORE OF THESE TYPES OF VIDEOS
No offense to Jon Paquette, but he talks and acts like he doesn't have a clue about the genius he's sharing a conversation with.
To analogize to film directors, we've got a competent journeyman talking to one of the all-time great auteurs. Ron Howard and Stanley Kubrick.
WE NEED MORE VIDEOGAME DIRECTORS ON DIRECTORS
I’ll watch anything with Remedy and Sam Lake. Starting playing Control again, and here we are. 😅
Daaamn, racists in the comments are going crazy 😂😂
Black racists? Brown racists? Or white racists? Because Its only the white gamers making these comments
X to doubt
Thats the majority of spiderman 2 haters
Lovely. 2 great minds that brought us two of 2023 best games!
Imo it would have been better if Spider-Man 2 had been only about Peter and Miles had his own sequel later.
Yeah miles feels stuffed in there, he doesn’t have much time to marinate or do anything
There was really no point in doing a Miles sequel as the whole point of his spinoff game was establishing him as spiderman so there would be two spidermen in spiderman 2, now when they make spiderman 3 Peter is most likely going to return as spiderman for that game in the future.
@@iraford5788it would've given him more to do.
He was sidelined the entire game.
Was that thumbnail title a play on words?
"Congrats on shipping!" 💀💀💀
Insomniac should consider hiring better writers. It’s never been their strong suit.
Yes it has, for me insomniac has the best version of spider-man ever, and the emotional moments hit hard for people with actual feelings
That’s crazy all the spider man games had amazing stories! But there’s only so much you can do with spider man tbh
Sarcasm?
Yeah, the first game is proof of that
How dare you say dumb things
Congrats, now the fans can see this and learn to get along.
53:00 DO IT AGAIN
More of this please!
this shoud hasve more than 10m view loved it ign,love u all
IGN THIS ONE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Cool concept!
i’m not even one of those people but isn’t that title a little insensitive lol
The part about leaving the ending open was great. But now the final draft DLC kinda ruined it imo.
Variety - Actors on Actors
Lol you are joking right,the biggest mistake with Spider-Man 2 is not focusing on single character.
Everytime miles was there it feels like forced.
If spiderman 2 only Focuses on peter it would be so much better.
For miles similar way miles Morales part 2 focus on miles would be so much better
forget miles, every scene with ganke is like nails on a chalkboard, can’t believe people were mad it didn’t win best narrative let alone game of the year
Right the Character made by Stan Lee decades ago is forced. 😂
@@schwubmexx neither of those characters were made decades ago by stan lee they were made in 2011 by someone else
@@m4tt-66 But Stan Lee still gave his go and he liked the Idea. So who cares ? Its not like Insomniac made that Character up for the games. He became Important. Like all the other Spider Characters that came with the Spiderverse.
@@schwubmexx Doesn't mean the writing can't be bad. Ever thought that they just didn't execute it well? The OP didn't state to get rid of Miles completely
The symbiote is Peter's arc. He's supposed be face his demons and overcome it. Instead Peter is getting saved by everyone the whole game
Meanwhile, naughty dog made a sequel that gave you reason to hate the second protagonist. And beat all the original characters with a golf club.
The sequel is incredible and even better than the first game.
Damn, almost as if they had different creative goals with their game (compared to Spider-Man 2 and Alan Wake 2) and were trying to tell a wholly different tale.
@@Hessianoctthe gameplay is but not the story
Get over it dude, it's been 3 years
*made you hate, and then gave you reason to reconsider hating, the second protagonist
There is something deeply broken in people who played through the whole game and still hate Abby at the end.
Very cool
more of this
Amazing!
SPIDER-MAN 2 IS STILL GAME OF
THE YEAR FOR ME ❤❤❤❤❤
well Resident Evil 0 was already doing this, it's nothing new
Spiderman is Peter parker. Milles morales is milles morales
Stop whining. 😒
@@mrfacestab5758 Its Merry christimas (not happy holidays)
@@FELIPEFODAOBR12Happy Holidays and Happy Hanukkah. Christmas is for pssies.
lmfao, their "congrat" are so awkward, especially after TGA.
This was clearly recorded before the game awards
You have to be joking right, the story in Spidey2 was the best by far out of the three games.
😂😂😂😂😂 XD
... Wait, are you serious?
Generic comic vs best narrative of the year.
Peter Parker is Spider Man. Miles Morales is Miles Morales.
have you considered whining more?
@@cd878 Have you considered touching some grass?
@@Spanish_Patriot I'm not the one malding lmao
@@cd878 Yeah, Ima whine because Insomniac set up some beef between Norman and Peter. That Peter is like a son to Norman. Imagine when he figures out he's Spider-Man
Otto and Peter, his former mentor. Maybe setting up Peter reforming him. Peter's chat with Miles about redeeming his biggest enemy. Next thing you know, Insomniac states Miles is the main Spider-Man. Throwing all of it away, adding a Spider-Woman too. The antagonists having such a close connection to Peter...
Stop whining. 😒
This is a short clip? lol
Detroit becomes human
2018 game with 3 protagonist..
Way ahead in terms of story and graphics
Neil Druckmann would've been a perfect person to be here.
Agreed. He knows a thing or two about ruining sequels to great games.
16:42 yeah Spiderman 2 still has way too many Cinematics to the point where one would think you making a movie seriously the mission no escape 14 cutscenes and it's not long enough to warrant that many.
It's like they forgot they were making a game.
You spend more time swinging and fighting, how is that not a game? Since when did having a high quality cutscenes a bad thing? RDR2 has way more cutscenes and yet you people praise it. Hypocrites.
Right and every Metal Gears Solid is way more movie than a game and people praise it.
That’s a dumb comment lol
@@Tullzter You're projecting
Sony games have been wannabe movies since early PS4 days. Where have you been?
They could have been both great games, the rotten touch of sweet baby inc is evident, let pros do the writing not activists.
Both are great games.
The antiwhite parallels between both games are hilarious.
I'm amazed devs actually hire a company to help them ruin their game.
cry louder
What was bad about Alan Wake 2?
Watch out, the evil minorities are gonna get you! Boo!
Hi
Are they Joking they just want to replace them with forced diversity characters! 😂😂😂 oh and drop Sweet baby inc cancur 😂
Go back to watching that asshat Fritanga.
Stop whining. 😒
😁
I'll tell you why they do two heroes. Because they are trying to be more politically correct. You can't just have a white male hero now days. You have to bow to the twin gods of diversity and inclusion. It doesn't matter if it ruins the story or makes no sense it's just about checking off diversity boxes.
cool story. cry more
@cd878 your only mad because you know that I'm right.
When it comes to Alan Wake, Remedy originally wanted to have two protagonists for the first game (with Agent Nightingale as a playable character along with Alan), but had to change plans due to resource and time issues. In AW2, the story could not be told without the second perspective of a character in the "real world". Anyone who knows Remedy's work at all also knows that Sam Lake and colleagues planned for many things in this game, including a second protagonist, since a long time ago.
When it comes to this game, then, you are just allowing your bias and bigotry to fool yourself.
@@cd878 Cope. They pretty much admitted it themselves.
@@BorsukowskiB Cope. They race-swapped Saga and brought in Sweet Baby Inc. to wokify the game.
Except Alan Wake didn't need another "hero". But that's ESG for you, gotta have that black woman protagonist for the propaganda aspect.
And the problem is? Her detective parts in the game were awesome.
@@ionicslasherIf Saga was a white man, the story would play out the exact same, except these weirdos wouldn't be bitching about it.
Anyone with an anime profile pretending like they played and understand AW is comical
It totally needed, Alan was trapped and disappeared from the real world for 13 years, it was crucial to the story a pov of someone out of the dark place.
@@luvasbolseiro cope...the game is literally in collaboration with Sweet Baby Inc.
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When your writer doesn’t have enough talent to make a strong lead character, well, double it up and hope that hides your inadequacies!
It is not just about the "strength" of the protagonist. Sometimes you need more than one point of view to tell the story you want. It would be impossible to tell the story of AW2 from just a single perspective.
Hope that's not referring to AW2. Alan is one of the strongest narrative character's out there. And Saga was essential to his story
Sam is the reason people buy videogame consoles, the other dude is the reason you could find a PlayStation 5 for under market value. Kinda a G move if you really think about it, but they’re not the same, Sam is probably among the best writers/devs in videogame history.
Cope. DEI ruined Alan Wake and Spider-Man.
Stop whining. 😒
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