And what if that colpor isn't included in the kwikset doorknob kit? The one for the doorknob is included but not for the deadbolt. I need to be able to use the drive-in method on this door.
Ever had this problem? I have to use the Drive-In Style because the keyed doorknob latch hole was already drilled to 1", i think. It looked bigger although i didn't actually measure it, but it was apparent the deadbolt was mortised and it wasn't. Other times i have seen these types of doors with both mortised in. I wouldn't even call mine a drive in---more like a light finger push. I don't know why the hell that was done because the deadbolt portion of the door was drilled to 7/8" i believe and mortised to accept the screwed in plate. I am not really happy with the loose fit of the keyed latch. I bought the steel cladded door at a Thrift Store and it didn't really appear to have been ever used. I am only using it in a detached garage so not looking to change it out because of that. I put in a Schlage set. Tried contacting them via email to see if there was such a thing as a larger diameter latch with the screwed in plate without needing to use the collar BUT no reply after several days. I can guess probably not. I might look into shimming it somehow to make the collar fit tighter. Someone else had brought up the same issue to the video and you had mentioned the collar might have been bent in shipping BUT that is definitely not my issue. The hole is just a bit too large to give the desired interference fit, in my opinion.
Doors are always fun to come across, thrift store/salvaged doors are even more fun haha I have come across doors where I remove a standard kwikset and the hole for the knob is barely an inch tall and 2 ish wide… I have come across deadbolts where the installer cuts the hole about an inch diameter and removes the inner shield of the deadbolt, just using the cylinder and cover on the door. The things people do to doors doesn’t surprise me anymore, but it sounds possibly that the door you picked up was modified for the original owners lockset. It may not have “fit” right to whatever lock they used, they could’ve dremeled a bit more than normal to make whatever they had work. One thing you can kind of do with the collar is after installing it on the latch, use a flat head to widen the collar, but be super gentle doing this. You can fit shims as well and make it work. Shims will prevent it moving, coupled with the lock installed holding it in place, it can work. Not ideal, but worth a shot as it doesn’t sound like a heavily used door.
YOU GAVE THE RIGHT METHOD TO SIMPLIFY OTHER WOULD BE A FULFILLMENT IN MANUFACTURER INSTRUCTION MANUALS IN FOLDED UP BROCHURES WITH A HANDSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT. YOU TAUGHT A VERY IMPORTANT PROCESS ON THAT LATCH SIDE STRIKE PLATE ALTERNATIVE STRIKE RING(!)
It really depends… If your door is already pre-cut for a plate, you would want to use the right shaped plate. For wood doors often times when pre-ordered they may come cut out already. If you have a metal door this comes in extremely handy! Since the tool to make an impression in the metal edge costs over $100.. If you are starting from scratch on a blank door, this takes less prep and eliminates chiseling and can give your wood door a clean look. Also, for narrow wooden doors this works well for the DIY! It’s really down to preference outside of metal doors. :)
Surely there is some advantage to using the plate or else why would door makers carve out the space for the plate, and why would door knob makers include the plate.
What is the issue if that latch collar is very loose and keeps falling out after operating the deadbolt a couple times. Do I need a new one, or is it just not engaging like it did in the video?
It should clip in tightly. If it is loose it could be bent slightly, you could possibly try to bend it back in carefully or make sure it is fully seated into place. I have seen them out of the package be bent. Happens in transit, parts and pieces can get bumped around and bent. Especially these caps.
Many of the common brands you'll find in the hardware stores usually come with this option. Kwikset, Schlage and Defiant are 3 that are found at most stores in the states and all come with it!
These are useful for Metal doors that cannot be chiseled. Also, if you have a narrow wooden door or you the installer may not have a chisel or be comfortable using a chisel, possibly a fear of splitting the door for example.. Many doors are sold pre-cut, some latches are recessed, some are not. So, this gives a DIY individual an easy option. But, most of the time you find these on metal door applications :)
The inside piece is what holds the face plate to the latch. If that piece stays on you can look closely and see if it has notches which need to be turned and aligned to remove. Other types may be removed backwards(along the latch itself). All latches are different, but those are the common ways to remove it!
I tried to save time in the video lol But, the best way is to just slide it in and lightly tap around the ring until it fits snug :) Just make sure to adjust the backset first!
Thank you very much for showing me what Kwikset didn't bother to include in their instructions. New door knob time!
Okokok. I've never had a video this spot on and commentary that narrated my thoughts exactly... earned a follow 100%
I was over looking those opening to pry it off thank you so much I was struggling to get it apart
Thanks for sharing! Exactly what I needed!
Awesome-very helpful! Thanks Kilo 😊🙏👏
And what if that colpor isn't included in the kwikset doorknob kit? The one for the doorknob is included but not for the deadbolt. I need to be able to use the drive-in method on this door.
That was perfect . Great job thank you .😊
trying to find the conversion collar part - where do i get one?
Great video, thank you
Ever had this problem? I have to use the Drive-In Style because the keyed doorknob latch hole was already drilled to 1", i think. It looked bigger although i didn't actually measure it, but it was apparent the deadbolt was mortised and it wasn't. Other times i have seen these types of doors with both mortised in. I wouldn't even call mine a drive in---more like a light finger push. I don't know why the hell that was done because the deadbolt portion of the door was drilled to 7/8" i believe and mortised to accept the screwed in plate. I am not really happy with the loose fit of the keyed latch. I bought the steel cladded door at a Thrift Store and it didn't really appear to have been ever used. I am only using it in a detached garage so not looking to change it out because of that. I put in a Schlage set. Tried contacting them via email to see if there was such a thing as a larger diameter latch with the screwed in plate without needing to use the collar BUT no reply after several days. I can guess probably not. I might look into shimming it somehow to make the collar fit tighter. Someone else had brought up the same issue to the video and you had mentioned the collar might have been bent in shipping BUT that is definitely not my issue. The hole is just a bit too large to give the desired interference fit, in my opinion.
Doors are always fun to come across, thrift store/salvaged doors are even more fun haha
I have come across doors where I remove a standard kwikset and the hole for the knob is barely an inch tall and 2 ish wide… I have come across deadbolts where the installer cuts the hole about an inch diameter and removes the inner shield of the deadbolt, just using the cylinder and cover on the door.
The things people do to doors doesn’t surprise me anymore, but it sounds possibly that the door you picked up was modified for the original owners lockset.
It may not have “fit” right to whatever lock they used, they could’ve dremeled a bit more than normal to make whatever they had work.
One thing you can kind of do with the collar is after installing it on the latch, use a flat head to widen the collar, but be super gentle doing this.
You can fit shims as well and make it work. Shims will prevent it moving, coupled with the lock installed holding it in place, it can work. Not ideal, but worth a shot as it doesn’t sound like a heavily used door.
I have a kwikset deadbolt I'm trying to remove the faceplate to make it a drop in driver but the second sleeve is fixed
YOU GAVE THE RIGHT METHOD TO SIMPLIFY OTHER WOULD BE A FULFILLMENT IN MANUFACTURER INSTRUCTION MANUALS IN FOLDED UP BROCHURES WITH A HANDSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT. YOU TAUGHT A VERY IMPORTANT PROCESS ON THAT LATCH SIDE STRIKE PLATE ALTERNATIVE STRIKE RING(!)
Which is better with the plate or drive in collar?
It really depends…
If your door is already pre-cut for a plate, you would want to use the right shaped plate.
For wood doors often times when pre-ordered they may come cut out already.
If you have a metal door this comes in extremely handy! Since the tool to make an impression in the metal edge costs over $100..
If you are starting from scratch on a blank door, this takes less prep and eliminates chiseling and can give your wood door a clean look. Also, for narrow wooden doors this works well for the DIY!
It’s really down to preference outside of metal doors. :)
Surely there is some advantage to using the plate or else why would door makers carve out the space for the plate, and why would door knob makers include the plate.
@@randy8324 The faceplate is screwed into the door. So no change of the knob being able to slide left or right if not tighten down properly.
where can I buy conversion collar part
What is the issue if that latch collar is very loose and keeps falling out after operating the deadbolt a couple times. Do I need a new one, or is it just not engaging like it did in the video?
It should clip in tightly. If it is loose it could be bent slightly, you could possibly try to bend it back in carefully or make sure it is fully seated into place.
I have seen them out of the package be bent. Happens in transit, parts and pieces can get bumped around and bent. Especially these caps.
Thank you@@@LockandKilo
Thanks Kilo
Hi is the collar common part for different brands?
Many of the common brands you'll find in the hardware stores usually come with this option.
Kwikset, Schlage and Defiant are 3 that are found at most stores in the states and all come with it!
What’s the reason for this though? Is it better Security?
These are useful for Metal doors that cannot be chiseled.
Also, if you have a narrow wooden door or you the installer may not have a chisel or be comfortable using a chisel, possibly a fear of splitting the door for example..
Many doors are sold pre-cut, some latches are recessed, some are not. So, this gives a DIY individual an easy option.
But, most of the time you find these on metal door applications :)
Question. When I popped the pieces a part the inside one isn’t just a plate. Idk how to remove that part ? Help
The inside piece is what holds the face plate to the latch. If that piece stays on you can look closely and see if it has notches which need to be turned and aligned to remove.
Other types may be removed backwards(along the latch itself).
All latches are different, but those are the common ways to remove it!
My friend, you're a fkin life saver 🙏🙏
Don't encourage people to take shortcuts and not learn how to chisel properly. JK lol! Awesome tutorial as always! 😃
Yeah, mainly this is for metal doors and narrow doors or fancy doors people don't want to ruin themselves haha
Most new builds all come with this round drive in latch now
thank you!
It would have been better if you actually showed yourself putting it in the door. Cause some of us aren't too smrt 😂
I tried to save time in the video lol
But, the best way is to just slide it in and lightly tap around the ring until it fits snug :)
Just make sure to adjust the backset first!