In Canon, the part in front of the captain's chair from The Excelsior is just a coffee table. In real life this coffee table was installed to cover up a major support that was built into the set that allowed it to actually be tilted on a gimbal, rather than just shaking the camera for the effects needed in the film. But this required a structurally robust support beam to be inserted in the center of the large round bridge which protruded through the floor so they covered it with the little coffee table cover and incorporated it into the film which was smart movie making sinse otherwise it sticks out like a literal sore thumb. That's why the coffee table doesn't appear in any other set.
I remember watching ST_VI and was so elated at seeing the physical controls brought back. Yeah, this is a special treat; very comprehensive. Excellent work, sir! Thank you!
Lovely dedication at the end, dude. Thumbs up. Your video made me very nostalgic in a very specific way. I just really miss that sense of verasimilitude and inter-show consistency in Trek design thought. They really put time into nailing down _when_ stuff looked like it does and _why_ , through their designs evolving over an in-universe time period of centuries. It's definitely present more in Picard Season 3 than it has been in years, but I miss the assuring all-pervasive and consistent sense of design in '90s Trek. There were no other versions, this was just what Trek was. It made escapism into the reality of Star Trek far easier.
Amazing grapics, description, tracking of all the details. Just an Awsome video!!! It was with in reason and possiblity, logisticaly speaking, for the excelsior bridge to be rebuilt for the voyager episode becuase it just 5 years after undiscovered country. The Undiscovered Country came out for the 25th anniversary of Star Trek (in 1991), and the voyager episode with the excelsior bridge set(plus costumes and same cast) were for the 30th anniversary of Star Trek(1996).
I'm not sure if it's just the dark and warm lighting, but I definitely think the doors and upholstery on the Enterprise-B is more of a teal than the blue-r blue you showed here. That's just a tiny colour nitpick though, you did a super amazing job making these models and animating the transformations!!!
I would love to see a Evolution and Regression of the bridges. From the original TOS bridge and it's variants (as the different captain chair of the M5 computer episode) till Voyager. Going trough not just the shows main brides but also of the Star Gazer, Enterprise C in chronological order. Seeing a In universe evolution and devolution of bridges as the Enterprise C bridge is quite inferior to the B
RUclips has seen fit to suddenly populate my suggestion sidebar with your videos. I've watched and enjoyed many of them recently. Nicely done. Many of them point out things I'd either never noticed or often wondered about over the past few decades.
Much akin to Reliant’s single turbo lift door.. and indeed to the design of Reliant itself so the audience would know the difference. Of course the staccato Khan leitmotif was the chef’s kiss.
Excellent review once again. While i was glad to see the Enterprise back in IV, i thought the lighting was too bright on the bridge for IV and V (i know nitpicky), love II and VI as you can tell definate they were Nicholas Meyer directed films as bridges more militarlistic and darker which i love. Once again thank you for all that you do
The Undiscovered Country bridge of the Enterprise will always be my favourite. I think it looked the best. The right mix of colours and materials. It looks advanced and a bit militaristic but not overly so while giving the impression of being practical. It has the right mix of physical controls like switches and displays and futuristic controls like lcars. And everything styled in a way that does not clash but rather is symbiotic. It is great.
I believe that this bridge was redressed to be the bridge of a Romulan warbird in ST:Nemesis. You don't see it much - it's one of the ships that is damaged in an initial encounter with the villain, and which comes to the rescue of the Enterprise at the very end.
Can you talk about the replacement set? The one with the trapezoidal displays in the rear, that was used as the Enterprise C bridge, the Enterprise D battle bridge in BOBW, the Hathaway bridge, among a billion other things.
Probably because the production team refused to try and synchronize those blasted clocks for a second ship! 😁 Today, that wouldn't be a problem. Just overlay a CGI clock over a positioning mask on the set and have the video editing/effects software adjust it automatically to the proper time.
"Auxiliary Systems" is usually conveniently out of sight, as it's the POV of the camera. Though apparently it can be moved in place to aid in the illusion for certain scenes.
I have always loved this family of bridge variants from the first time I saw ST: V in the theater as a newly minted Trekkie. My only caveat is that I still have trouble reconciling the turbolift placement on the Enterprise-A bridges. How could this work in the available space? Oh well, I can forgive a lot with these lovely sets.
I really loved the bridges of the Enterprise and Excelsior along with the interior of the Enterprise. They actually looked like they were properly used! It drove me nuts how clean everything was on the other ships, especially Voyager considering how many times it got the crap beaten out of it.
In the Country bridge, the starboard turbolift seems farther aft in the movie And on the Excelsior, the Captain's Chair, Helm and Navigation are at an angle to the aft entrance.
One other you did not mention, the caveat being that it's a redress of the USS Excelsior bridge of Voyager's 'Flashback'-but brilliantly reinforcing, at the exact same time, the theme of a common Excelsior-class bridge family-the USS Righteous of the interactive movie computer game Star Trek: Borg, very visibly included in JTVFX's outstanding Battle of Wolf 359 productions (the finished Massacre part 1 released two days ago - YAY!!). Great thing is the Next Generation-era LCARS Okudagrams work just as well visually on what chronologically is supposed to be an 80yr old bridge design.
4:36 so is it just a coffee table because in the video game Star Trek Resurgence they have one and its a holographic display & say its the same as captain Sulu on the Excelsior.
In Canon, it is just a coffee table, video games are not, ever, Canon. In real life this coffee table was installed to cover up a major support that was built into the set that allowed it to actually be tilted on a gimbal, rather than just shaking the camera for the effects needed in the film. But this required a structurally robust support beam to be inserted in the center of the large round bridge which protruded through the floor so they covered it with the little coffee table cover and incorporated it into the film which was smart movie making sinse otherwise it sticks out like a literal sore thumb. That's why the coffee table doesn't appear in any other set.
@@Jack_Stafford Yeah I know about video games not being Canon. I didn't know anything about the table and the film set that you mentioned. Thank you for the information.
The interactive live action pc game Star Trek: Borg? I've just commented separately on the Excelsior bridge set used in the Voyager episode 'Flashback' redressed to be that of the USS Righteous.
@@Jack_Stafford The interactive live action pc game Star Trek: Borg? I've just commented separately on the Excelsior bridge set used in the Voyager episode 'Flashback' redressed to be that of the USS Righteous.
No need for continuity errors with the clocks. One should be set to Earth Time, one to Vulcan Time & one to Andor. Especially if you have aliens on the crew, like fish foot Dax instead of Andorian Standard Time. Or mission specific, like Klingon imperial Time. Maybe even Romulan?
This particular bridge layout IMO was far better than the Enterprise D's TNG bridge layout plus the display colours of blues, greens, white and red are not only easier on the eye but make more sense as the human eye is most sensitive to blue and green colours.
The bridge built for the Voyager episode wasn't the same set, some parts of it I'm sure were but not most of it. I remember seeing an interview with Hermann Zimmerman and he was talking about it and how expensive it would have been to rebuild the set, plus how most of the set had been cannibalized for the bridge of Kasidy Yates ship the Xhosa in DS9. The Excelsior bridge seen in Voyager is a budget version which is why the Excelsior bridge looks like crap compared to how it was in Star Trek 6. Thankfully we can chuck up the crappy Voyager bridge to Tuvok's bad memory.
Maybe earthlings will celebrates there are many people from different countries, however, why not to invite our Venusian, Lunarian, and Martian neighbors together? We'll discuss more perspectives about Sol starfleets and how to establish new space trade centers and tourism to neighboring constellations...
I think that the people coming up with these bridge ideas have zero clue as to how anything really works. I know they have to account for camera angles and such, but sheesh.
In Canon, the part in front of the captain's chair from The Excelsior is just a coffee table.
In real life this coffee table was installed to cover up a major support that was built into the set that allowed it to actually be tilted on a gimbal, rather than just shaking the camera for the effects needed in the film.
But this required a structurally robust support beam to be inserted in the center of the large round bridge which protruded through the floor so they covered it with the little coffee table cover and incorporated it into the film which was smart movie making sinse otherwise it sticks out like a literal sore thumb.
That's why the coffee table doesn't appear in any other set.
I didn’t know that. Very cool
I remember watching ST_VI and was so elated at seeing the physical controls brought back. Yeah, this is a special treat; very comprehensive. Excellent work, sir! Thank you!
Lovely dedication at the end, dude. Thumbs up.
Your video made me very nostalgic in a very specific way. I just really miss that sense of verasimilitude and inter-show consistency in Trek design thought. They really put time into nailing down _when_ stuff looked like it does and _why_ , through their designs evolving over an in-universe time period of centuries. It's definitely present more in Picard Season 3 than it has been in years, but I miss the assuring all-pervasive and consistent sense of design in '90s Trek. There were no other versions, this was just what Trek was. It made escapism into the reality of Star Trek far easier.
I just know I'm going to come back to these videos pretty much every time I rewatch the movies going forward.
Amazing grapics, description, tracking of all the details. Just an Awsome video!!! It was with in reason and possiblity, logisticaly speaking, for the excelsior bridge to be rebuilt for the voyager episode becuase it just 5 years after undiscovered country. The Undiscovered Country came out for the 25th anniversary of Star Trek (in 1991), and the voyager episode with the excelsior bridge set(plus costumes and same cast) were for the 30th anniversary of Star Trek(1996).
It was also used as the bridge for the Excelsior class USS Righteous, featured in the video game Star Trek: Borg
This bridge set is a masterpiece. One of my favorites in all of trek.
I'm not sure if it's just the dark and warm lighting, but I definitely think the doors and upholstery on the Enterprise-B is more of a teal than the blue-r blue you showed here. That's just a tiny colour nitpick though, you did a super amazing job making these models and animating the transformations!!!
Absolutely stupendous work documenting and presenting the changes to us.
I would love to see a Evolution and Regression of the bridges.
From the original TOS bridge and it's variants (as the different captain chair of the M5 computer episode) till Voyager.
Going trough not just the shows main brides but also of the Star Gazer, Enterprise C in chronological order.
Seeing a In universe evolution and devolution of bridges as the Enterprise C bridge is quite inferior to the B
Voyager's bridge seemed well-designed, though, at least. You had fewer people facing the walls, too.
RUclips has seen fit to suddenly populate my suggestion sidebar with your videos. I've watched and enjoyed many of them recently. Nicely done. Many of them point out things I'd either never noticed or often wondered about over the past few decades.
Again, great analysis video. I find these very intriguing.
I'm glad the "replacement" bridge got so much mileage.
The addition of the rear annex was a simple but clever way to differentiate it
Much akin to Reliant’s single turbo lift door.. and indeed to the design of Reliant itself so the audience would know the difference. Of course the staccato Khan leitmotif was the chef’s kiss.
fantastic work. massively underappreciated i think. you need more views :) i have subscribed
I have been waiting for this video in a major way!
Excellent review once again. While i was glad to see the Enterprise back in IV, i thought the lighting was too bright on the bridge for IV and V (i know nitpicky), love II and VI as you can tell definate they were Nicholas Meyer directed films as bridges more militarlistic and darker which i love. Once again thank you for all that you do
The Undiscovered Country bridge of the Enterprise will always be my favourite.
I think it looked the best. The right mix of colours and materials. It looks advanced and a bit militaristic but not overly so while giving the impression of being practical.
It has the right mix of physical controls like switches and displays and futuristic controls like lcars. And everything styled in a way that does not clash but rather is symbiotic.
It is great.
I believe that this bridge was redressed to be the bridge of a Romulan warbird in ST:Nemesis. You don't see it much - it's one of the ships that is damaged in an initial encounter with the villain, and which comes to the rescue of the Enterprise at the very end.
Great vid. I love the ‘6’ and Excelsior Bridge.
Enterprise B bridge too. Amazing era of ST design.
Can you talk about the replacement set? The one with the trapezoidal displays in the rear, that was used as the Enterprise C bridge, the Enterprise D battle bridge in BOBW, the Hathaway bridge, among a billion other things.
Wow, I never noticed the Excelsior bridge was missing the clocks from the Enterprise-A!
Probably because the production team refused to try and synchronize those blasted clocks for a second ship! 😁
Today, that wouldn't be a problem. Just overlay a CGI clock over a positioning mask on the set and have the video editing/effects software adjust it automatically to the proper time.
I believe that pieces of this bridge set were also used for the Enterprise-E bridge.
You should look at the C57D and the Krell machine from Forbidden Planet at some point!
"Auxiliary Systems" is usually conveniently out of sight, as it's the POV of the camera. Though apparently it can be moved in place to aid in the illusion for certain scenes.
@3:22 I'd really like to know the reason for this addition was it solely so Kirk could kneel at the pivotal torpedo FIRE moment?
I have always loved this family of bridge variants from the first time I saw ST: V in the theater as a newly minted Trekkie. My only caveat is that I still have trouble reconciling the turbolift placement on the Enterprise-A bridges. How could this work in the available space? Oh well, I can forgive a lot with these lovely sets.
My top favorite ST bridges are the Enterprise A from ST6 and the Enterprise B from STGen. The Enterprise D from STGen follows after that.
I really loved the bridges of the Enterprise and Excelsior along with the interior of the Enterprise. They actually looked like they were properly used! It drove me nuts how clean everything was on the other ships, especially Voyager considering how many times it got the crap beaten out of it.
The Prometheus design is my favorite.
beautiful, brought a tear to me eye
I love this a lot .
In the Country bridge, the starboard turbolift seems farther aft in the movie And on the Excelsior, the Captain's Chair, Helm and Navigation are at an angle to the aft entrance.
Great video.
One other you did not mention, the caveat being that it's a redress of the USS Excelsior bridge of Voyager's 'Flashback'-but brilliantly reinforcing, at the exact same time, the theme of a common Excelsior-class bridge family-the USS Righteous of the interactive movie computer game Star Trek: Borg, very visibly included in JTVFX's outstanding Battle of Wolf 359 productions (the finished Massacre part 1 released two days ago - YAY!!). Great thing is the Next Generation-era LCARS Okudagrams work just as well visually on what chronologically is supposed to be an 80yr old bridge design.
ST 6 was my favorite Enterprise Bridge.
You should do a video on the first Excelsior bridge from ST:III.
4:36 so is it just a coffee table because in the video game Star Trek Resurgence they have one and its a holographic display & say its the same as captain Sulu on the Excelsior.
In Canon, it is just a coffee table, video games are not, ever, Canon.
In real life this coffee table was installed to cover up a major support that was built into the set that allowed it to actually be tilted on a gimbal, rather than just shaking the camera for the effects needed in the film.
But this required a structurally robust support beam to be inserted in the center of the large round bridge which protruded through the floor so they covered it with the little coffee table cover and incorporated it into the film which was smart movie making sinse otherwise it sticks out like a literal sore thumb.
That's why the coffee table doesn't appear in any other set.
@@Jack_Stafford Yeah I know about video games not being Canon. I didn't know anything about the table and the film set that you mentioned. Thank you for the information.
The interactive live action pc game Star Trek: Borg? I've just commented separately on the Excelsior bridge set used in the Voyager episode 'Flashback' redressed to be that of the USS Righteous.
@@Jack_Stafford The interactive live action pc game Star Trek: Borg? I've just commented separately on the Excelsior bridge set used in the Voyager episode 'Flashback' redressed to be that of the USS Righteous.
No need for continuity errors with the clocks. One should be set to Earth Time, one to Vulcan Time & one to Andor. Especially if you have aliens on the crew, like fish foot Dax instead of Andorian Standard Time. Or mission specific, like Klingon imperial Time. Maybe even Romulan?
Great bridge.
This particular bridge layout IMO was far better than the Enterprise D's TNG bridge layout plus the display colours of blues, greens, white and red are not only easier on the eye but make more sense as the human eye is most sensitive to blue and green colours.
The set was probably used for Star Trek Borg too.
Would the turbolifts on the STV bridge have actually fit within the bridge superstructure on the model?
The bridge built for the Voyager episode wasn't the same set, some parts of it I'm sure were but not most of it. I remember seeing an interview with Hermann Zimmerman and he was talking about it and how expensive it would have been to rebuild the set, plus how most of the set had been cannibalized for the bridge of Kasidy Yates ship the Xhosa in DS9. The Excelsior bridge seen in Voyager is a budget version which is why the Excelsior bridge looks like crap compared to how it was in Star Trek 6. Thankfully we can chuck up the crappy Voyager bridge to Tuvok's bad memory.
Maybe earthlings will celebrates there are many people from different countries, however, why not to invite our Venusian, Lunarian, and Martian neighbors together? We'll discuss more perspectives about Sol starfleets and how to establish new space trade centers and tourism to neighboring constellations...
My faforit bridge is the ST VI variant.
But wy was there a downgrade to physical Keys?
I remember a military study that there is more responsiveness to tactile feedback which wouldn't be as present in membrane controls.
Probably because director Nick Meyer wanted it that way.
@@kingdave31he did.
I think that the people coming up with these bridge ideas have zero clue as to how anything really works. I know they have to account for camera angles and such, but sheesh.
I’m so sorry but my son got onto my account and somehow reported this video. I am so sorry! I shall try and get it removed through RUclips. 🙄
Sisko did 9/11