The most AMERICAN Protoss Strategy! StarCraft 2
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2023
- StarCraft 2 Tournament - ESL SC2 Cup 175 NA - Clem's aggressive Terran is met by overwhelming firepower from American Protoss Astrea!
StarCraft 2 Legacy of the Void - ESL SC2 Pro Tour NA Cup 175 - Clem (Terran) vs Astrea (Protoss) - Best of 3
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In the last video I watched, you added an extra game because it was a short series. I just wanna say that it was a great idea, and you should keep doing it. I love how I couldn't tell it was going to be a 2-0. I'd have commented on that video, but I didn't have internet access.
Good point!
How do I watch RUclips without internet? Very interested.
@@GilroyFinkelbergwas an inside joke in the video rival mentioned
The problem is the youtube algorithm HATES you when you do this. The algorithm heavily weights watch time and watching videos all the way through. If ~1/3 of your video is dead, the algorithm punishes that a lot.
I've been saying that for years. Just throw something in real quick, or some extra commentary at the end for whoever wants to stick around and listen. Just enough to throw off how obvious who the winner is.
As an American, our humility ranks among the greatest in the universe!!
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You mean THE greatest.
HOO-RAH
"I too am extraordinarily humble"
Ah humble.... maybe the few who don't have their heads so far up their a$$ they can tell helping others helps yourself. But mostly Americans especially from the 90s on are arrogant without cause
It would actually be so sick to see a series where pros play games against each other while having the effects and abilities that they have on their hearthstone cards
Those novas men !!! Idk what was better, 20:30 with the superman nova punch, or 30:30 with the machingunova 😂😂😂
Ah yes, the most American Protoss strategy; treat disruptors like a pump-action shotgun.
Maybe "more dispuptors " is the same kind of answer as "more liberators". 4-6 ain't gonna do it, but go ahead and build 12+ and they make themselves known.
Zealots, easily distracted by the chew-toy depot...
I really wanna hear Winter cast an entire game like it's a nature documentary. Brenda could be the main character.
Disruptor shots landing!!
the Fusillade, The BROADSIDE 29.34 make a short of that bro.
WOOHOO!!!!
astrea was dropping balls on clam like he playing dodge ball.
I cant remember the last time I saw a Protoss win a PvT series.
I have been saving these castings for when I go into work. It may mean I am late each time, but it is very worth it to hear the game start to finish and be engaged with it while doing work.
"OoooOoOooohhhhhhhhhh....."
- WinterStarcraft, 2023
Still waiting for a protoss victory in a best of 3/5/7 series
Here is one from 2 weeks ago
ruclips.net/video/bF_X863hNLI/видео.html
When he unloaded at 30:00 I laughed so hard
Gotta comment once in a while, i never miss a video and dont even play no more - keep up the great work
great series!!! ❤
Honestly I respect that you only ask for +1 like more per video. As one it helps me keep the chronological order of videos straight. And two it's humbling that even though you exceed your goal most every time you don't expect to reach previous likes every single time. There's something important about both being attained as well as growing I like this alot really
@12:00 you see how effective the Protoss disrupters are, thank goodness they got nerfed -_-
Good to see Clem back!
disrupter shots are so entertaining!
Once upon a time, we had poets. Today, we have Starcraft casters, and I'm here for it.
Oh look, a sacrifice to the engagement spirits.
How can you not give video a like when Winter asks so nicely?
29:35
THIIIS!
That game one drinking game was dangerous
29:34 is magic
Adding another to the tally of the TvP count where protoss wins when they actually get a templar archives XD
I have two questions for your Winter. 1) Where's the Bronze League Heroes? 2) Gimme the Bronze League Heroes!
It's easy to miss but the second one is not a question.
Oh look, another Protoss loses another series to Terran. That's completely unexpected.
Gonna cry?
I'm not keeping stats, but it really does seem like protoss rarely wins against terran at the pro level these days
Haha yeah I'm honestly shocked toss even took a map
@@shaydenprime275 what even is this comment?
TvP is imba, ZvP is imba, and ZvP is imba.
In fact, T>T in That, therefore Terran imba.
29:32
Spoilers
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Insert recipe for homemade balsamic vinaigrette dressing
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OH MY GOD!
Game 2 was literally the USS Missouri firing a broadside of Disruptors meme.
our mans is the kevin spacey of sc2 without the allegations
Here bud, the energy to just keep going, right here, every time you think of me, boom, the energy to cast one more banger, amen.
He made up for the first game in the second haha
Goooood
Bio is too op
That 2nd freaking game ... holy hell. disruptor shot disruptor shot disruptor shot disruptor shot disruptor shot disruptor shot everything on the screen dead
Winter, what is your opinion of Terran power level compared to the other classes right now?
See for yourself on alugulac, game has near perfect balance (within 2% of 50%) in all 3 match-ups.
@@hivetech4903 is aligulac winter’s opinion? are you winter?
@@grishy8203 It is his opinion - all streamers including pro streamers like Harstem - as well as Blizzard themselves - use aligulac for balance reference when considering balance changes.
Aligulac isn't the be all and end all. There's more to balance if you go inside the numbers.
FREEEEDOOOMMMM
I would really like to see Winter cast a game/BO3 of himself playing against a pro player.
The difference between Winter and a pro player is greater than Winter and a Plat player. It wouldnt be close
Winter is a good player, he's a high rank for a reason. But that wouldn't be close, and respectfully, probably wouldn't be very entertaining to watch a match that lopsided.
Winter out here representing us "not pro" players
I don't know which was better: The Quad Novas at 29:35 or the rapid fire Novas at 30:25. Absolutely disgusting.
"Like a dog with a stick" 💀
nice
RIP Neeb :(
I feel like I’ve just never seen Winter do or say anything while casting that rubbed me the wrong way.
Wel your comment rubs me the wrong way.
It's kind of crazy to see terran players slowly start using more and more widow mines vs protoss where they just throw them down in seemingly random locations on the map for vision and to annoy the protoss player instead of keeping them with the army or dropping them... Observers are expensive and take up supply and robo production time, so protoss really doesn't want more than they absolutely have to make (Protoss players should make more robos, IMO; immortals > gateway units anyway once you're actually in a fight anyway. The lower mobility does make army positioning more important, but a protoss army with enough immortals can actually go head-to-head with bio even if the splash damage is getting picked off).
Also, protoss just not using storm/colossus in the late game vs terran anymore is kind of disappointing. Disruptors tend to result in much more one-sided games one way or the other.
Absolutely agree. Disruptors seem very boring to me especially when played every game.
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd i think they also cost gas, and you don't actually need observers to kill widow mines with zero losses, just a single disrupter and a bit of attention. Single zealot losses remove even the need for attention. Plus sensor towers exist, and whilst they are no creep, the bit of vision a widow mines gives for spotting runbys is almost completely nullified by it.
@@Santisima_Trinidad burrowed mine should have same vision as adept shade
@@sandal9405
The reason we see so many disruptors is because they’re the only answer to ghosts and every Terran goes ghosts because there’s no reason not to
I'm not sure what you're talking about RE Immortals, they certainly can't go head to head with Bio. It doesn't make sense to compare them to gateway units - If they build Immortals then Protoss is not building Disruptors, which they need a critical mass of to have any chance of dictating the fight against late game Terran.
It might be disappointing but its not like Protoss has a choice, Colossus are essentially useless once Bio is well upgraded, and in the current meta Ghosts are prioritized which is why many don't bother with Storm.
The fact that some people think MMM doesn't need a nerf or a change even after all this time is baffling to me.
Low league players who don't look at balance stats are easily baffled.
@@hivetech4903 terrans who think they deserve literally everything are easily triggered
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly Says the guy who was triggered after looking at one video lol, demanding nerfs from a game that has near perfect balance at tournament level... you know that right? 😂
@@hivetech4903 people generally agree that terran v non terran is unfun since MMM solves everything tho. Winrate balance and fun balance are different categories
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly Design changes might be a better phrase than fun balance.
T v non-T not fun? Never heard that before. You can't make high Masters with just MMM.... it certainly does not solve everything and there's always support units. That's kind of what I was saying about appreciation for the details of the game at higher levels.
For the algorithm
Holy fuck, we got the likes again bby. Big cast energy
protoss has just been looking so weak right now
Im unreasonably upset by the statement "give Clem an inch he will take a kilometre". You cant switch measurement standards mid expression!!!
So Clems trump card is 3 fully saturated bases (66 scvs) and to counter the toss army composition, got it..
Is that salt lol?🧂You didn't think the rank 28 player was going to beat the rank 9 did you..? 🤔
@hivetech4903 It's actually pepper 🌶. Clem won't go pass 3 bases ( turn up the heat) unless he has to.
So the strategy is to
1. Get 3 fully saturated bases
2. Hold down the mmm + ghost + viking army key
3. Throw every last unit at toss until they are unable to hold because terran unit comp is super cheap and trades better.
This is actually a common go to strategy
This is a game of 2 classes, zerg and terran only
Protoss really does feel weaker at the highest level.
One of the 1020 likes
I know these took skill but it was marine murader against disruptor collosas archon and it still looked one sided protoss sucks as a faction
Wow zero comment. I arrive early.
Dragoon noises
American comment.
Winter playing the macro game with likes
Perfect clickbait titles. Now feedback on last video. I enjoy the padding of the third game. Its a nice change up. However when I saw that dark was going to win and there was 15 mins or so left.... Ngl i thought you played the series backwards again. But i enjoyed it.
Why does terran always have a unit at every phase of the game that hard counters protoss tech before that tech is even on the field. Even if the terran has an inferior economy. When was the last time you saw ht with storm hit the field before emp ghosts were already in the army? Or collosi with thermal lance before the terran has 10 vikings? Why do 2 tanks need to be so effective they can contain a protoss army? Why do widow mines need to 1 shot half your army or mineral line? Why does emp need to counter cloaked units, spell casters, strip shield and remove energy for recall? Why does the orbital function as a get out of jail free card with flying, map hacks, super worker summons, supply on demand? Why does repair rate stack? I dont get how terran isnt considered busted.
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@@hivetech4903 🥔
New maps keep consistently looking worse and worse
As a Zerg I don't often watch TvP, but when I do, I just get to see a completely new side of how badly-designed Terran is, and how boring it makes the game.
why badly-designed?
Maybe. I personally think that they dont have much army composition choise and very very annoying and ruining protoss expirience so Terran is rather poorly but accurately desined.
I agree that Terran is badly designed. They need more offensive spells on their units as they are very basic with only ghosts having a (much nerfed) decent offensive spell.
Ravens have no offensive capability any more and need to have their turrets brought back to their original power, Marauders need a self-healing like Reapers or an alternative spell, Vikings need a speed boost AND an offensive spell, and Cyclones either need double their hp or a much lower cooldown on their lock-on.
Also zerg need to have their spellcasters and upgraded units doubled in supply cost.
THEN it would be fair. 😌
Oh! Also Terran needs those flame turrets from the campaign, or the turret upgrade on the bunkers. 😉
@@psluxton all that achieves is making 90% of all players switch to terran
@@doublecrossedswine112 so you agree that Zerg are too OP then? 🤨
That is what it would take for Terran to be comparable to Zerg in unit capabilities, after all.
And make them "less boring to watch".
For the algorithm