Armorer in Alec Baldwin's 'Rust" Found Guilty of Manslaughter; Baldwins Trial is Next
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Criminal Lawyer Bruce Rivers Breaks Down Armorer in Alec Baldwin's 'Rust" Found Guilty of Manslaughter; Baldwins Trial is Next
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The fact that an armorer doesn't required to be licensed nor certified is outrageous! Even McDonald's requires safety food handler's certificate!
Well said, 👏
Being licensed or certified dont mean you do it correctly though.....it just puts some responsibility on ppl that certify you.
I had to take a test at 18 on identifying types of condiments before I was allowed to wait on tables.
when i worked at mcdonalds they never required tht thats a new thing to me tbh
then your store was bad that's required by law and restaurant regulations@@bravelydefaulted
"I always check the bullets, most of the time."
Tells you everything you need to know.
Exactly
99% of the time it's fine every time
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That's was her only responsibility not the actor.
All you need is an OSHA 10 to determine that both the production team and the armourer department DID NOT HAVE A RISK MANAGEMENT PLAN.
There's absolutely no reason she would have to bring live ammunition on set. None.
There was testimony that she was short of dummy rounds and she had charged the production company for a bullet puller. Only reason for a bullet puller is to disassemble a cartridge. I think it is very possible that she was disassembling live ammunition, dumping the powder, popping the primer then putting the bullet back, When you are high and sloppy she could easily have mixed live and dummy Rounds.
Didn't you know, Hannah & some of the crew members were out there target shooting when they weren't filming... That's why there were real bullets there & most likely how they got mixed in...Anything & everything that should NOT have been taking place on that set WAS!!!!!!! Along with safety protocols just being thrown right out the window!!!!!!! I do believe that she was & is TOO IMMATURE & INEXPERIENCED for the position they hired her for & she DIDN'T take her job SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!
I watched a fair bit of this trial, and there was no mention of them doing any live fire in connection with this set. If they had any evidence of that , it would have been front and center of state’s case. Only mention of that was on a different movie, with different people, and completely different circumstances. That is where Seth Kenny got the live rounds located in his business.
Hannah said herself she brought 2 boxes of rounds from her dad. 1 of those boxes was found with live ammo, the box she said she was "pulling from." Maybe she didn't intentionally bring them, but she was negligent in not checking. There's even less evidence of someone else slipping live rounds onto set.
@josephknaak9034 thank you for finally giving me an answer as to why in the world there would ever be love rounds on set.
Her atty seemed negligent, not making objections, allowing her to speak too freely during police questioning. Not impressed with defense.
I agree wholeheartedly. The defense seemed like a total shitshow!
Do you know if the atty was present at the police questioning? If atty was not there not, atty fault. People talk to much when being questioned by police. Do agree that atty seemed negligent during trial Best advice say only "I want an atty before answering ANY questions
The lawyer wasn't present during questioning. The defendant chose to answer questions without counsel.
Object to what, specifically? None of the prosecutions questions went against courtroom protocol. What do you want them to object to...?
She kneecapped her own defense, what little she had.
There were two interviews with the police. The day of the incident atty not present. The later interview he was present and didnt stop her further incriminating herself.
Stupid is what stupid does!!
Its funny, As a former amorist in the Marine Corps I could NEVER land a job like that... But here daddys daughter.
Really why?🤔 Clearly you are over qualified.
@@Paula-ps1viyou got to know people unfortunately.
@@Paula-ps1vi Not a woman.
@@Paula-ps1vinepotism!! Her daddy got her the job even though she only had ONE job as an armor before this and she got fired from it because she “almost blew out” Nicholas Cages ears on set with a misfire right next to Nick cage.
Semper Fi. I worked with the armorer (2111).I was an optics tech (2171) it is unbelievable how unprofessional they were with the weapons.
ALWAYS treat a gun as it is LOADED. #1 rule in gun safety
I agree and the whole thing falls back on Baldwin, last man in the chain of custody, the one pulling the trigger.
You'd have a hard time filming a movie or tv show then if you treat everything that appears as a gun as an actual gun. Plenty of scenes of actors putting a gun up to another's head or elsewhere for some sort of execution shot or just intimidation. The whole point is that the props are made safe before then. Course there's also a lot of ways to edit a scene to change the prop out too.
That said I think they're trying to remove real guns from being props at all, fairly easy with most guns, revolvers are the trickiest because you're supposed to be able to see the bullets from the front, thus this whole dummy round situation.
I see you too watched the trial
@@EricLing64agree I think Alec Baldwin alleged culpability will come down to his role as a producer of a production that may have had bad safety practices and not as an actor who pulled the trigger. I think it will not be an easy case for the prosecution
No shit Sherlock!
Lawyer with 37 years under the belt here (not criminal, mainly civil and commercial but I have handled criminal cases once in a while). I greatly appreciate your work, your deep understanding and knowledge of what you are doing and I learn a lot of stuff from you, I enjoy it too.
I’m a lawyer too. I do mostly family and criminal law.
It is unbelievable how flagrantly negligent and how many people just let things go.
Yes! The woman who testified at 31:15 is Gabrianna Pickle. She is the line producer and hired Hannah and the rest of the crew... the ones that walked off because of unsafe working conditions. She was also involved in a lawsuit over unfair labor practices for trying to fire a crew in 2018 who are trying to unionize because of... unsafe working conditions. 😮
I tried to follow the trial, and I really wanted to think that she was being railroaded or being used as a scapegoat. But honestly I was stunned at the lack of professionalism and chaos associated with the firearms procedures on the set of Rust. I was shocked. She should have been the safety net for everyone, sadly she failed in the worst way possible. The outcome was very sad and so avoidable.
when one of them hollyweirds baldwins is the head boss yelling getting mad it was 100 percent his fault
@@jeffwarden928
I don't know what the fuck your comment was supposed to say because it reads like something someone would type while drunk but I'm assuming you're placing all of the blame on Baldwin?
While he was pressuring the Armorer to rush safety procedures and that is partially his fault, as Bruce said
"Knowing what you're supposed to do and cutting corners is culpable (gross) negligence."
She knew not to rush safety or should have know since she was "trained" by her "expert" father.
She chose to give in to pressure knowing full well that not following safety precautions leads to injury or death.
Fuck them both.
@@jeffwarden928
I don't know what your comment is supposed to say because it reads like something someone would type while drunk but I'm assuming you're placing all of the blame on Baldwin?
While he was pressuring the armorer to rush safety procedures and that is partially his fault, as Bruce said:
"Knowing what you're supposed to do and cutting corners is culpable (gross) negligence."
She knew not to rush safety or should have known.
She chose to give in to pressure knowing full well that not following safety precautions can lead to injury or death especially with firearms.
They're both terribly unprofessional and responsible for this tragedy.
If she’s that unprofessional she shouldn’t have been hitting the first place. Why didn’t they properly vet their safety supervisors.
@@pabloalvarez4838”she chose to give into pressure”.. if someone that rich and powerful is pressuring you, the power imbalance is overwhelming. Sometimes things are out of our control when we are coerced and pressured into things.
Did you watch the defense "gun expert". Bailiff had to push the barrel down as he flashed everyone and was pointing it at the judge. The judge ripped him a new one afterwards. IMHO, the guy was a full blown idiot. 😅
I was hoping someone would ask this!!! That deputy was soooo mad!!! Omg I was jumping out of my seat!!!
I couldn't believe when he did that. Killed their case right there. The look on Hannah face showed off how pissed off she was at him and in complete shock.
And he was removed from defense PowerPoint in closing😂
OMG yes!
@@NicoleCamp88Yeah she was upset by it then, but she didn't seem to care when people were doing it on the set. It's too little too late.
2 things: 1)I 100% agree with this verdict. Every armorers course I have ever taken has a strong emphasis on personal responsibility for safety ie, you work on a gun and it goes off when it shouldn't and someone dies - your fault, or conversely if you service or repair a carry piece for a LEO or CCW holder and it doesn't work when they need it and they die - your fault. 2)How the F do you have live ammo around with dummy rounds?? WTF?! Teaching a firearms class with live ammo anywhere in the classroom, even just on display, is about the fastest way to get your instructor (and other) credentials revoked.
Your statement about how the sentence for drugs would be harsher than taking someone's life proves the war on drugs is really a war on us people to feed the prison industry
It's always been that way, they knew it would never work, they tried prohibition 40 years earlier, they HAD to know it would fail, it's always been about slave labor.
Kidnapping addicts and making them work for cents an hour is literal slavery. Prison industries should have to follow minimum wage, if there's a loophole that lets people get away with slavery, OF COURSE it's going to be exploited....
Idaho doesn't play. I'm got my 4th possession last summer. For a couple pills. They were seeking 5 to Life. No it's not a joke. That is Idaho's law for persistent offender. I spent 9 months in county jail fighting for community-based treatment. I was able to argue for Drug Court treatment. If I fail I'm going to serve 7 years. 4 fixed, 3 on the back burner. I can't risk failing this program. I've already been to prison twice on simple possessions.
@Super-Amigo when i was 17 I sold coke to a snitch and got 4b felonys got jail parole felony drug court etc. If I failed I was looking at 15 yr min I didn't tho so here I am
It makes complete sense when you understand that sIavery was never abolished in the USA, and is still legal to this day; as long as it is used as punishment.
American private prison owners are literal legal sIaveowners.
I'm serious. SIavery is legal & protected under the United States Constitution.
@Naptosis the prison industry needs to be fed
I don’t think it was emphasized enough, that the prop/crew union and other contracts and policies in ALL movie making, is that no live ammo is allowed on the set. There should be no availability of live ammo. The vendor who provided some of the movie ammo specifically refused to provide live rounds when requested by the armorer. I feel bad for the rest of the people involved, because they have limited training to recognize live ammo, and a reasonable expectation that it’s not even possible for a live round to be physically located on set. The identification and inspection of the ammo before any is utilized or loaded, rests on the armorer.
the states theory was she herself brought the live ammo, bc there was an ammo shortage and they couldn't get enough dummies. So she wanted to convert a live round into a dummy.
with her organization system (put everything into a fanny pack) i believe some got mixed in with the dummies. but it's her job to absolutely check and check and check some more every round that goes into a gun.
The gun was checked or was handled by multiple people who were supposed to check the gun prior to handing it to Baldwin. This whole notion an actor is supposed to also check the bullets is ridiculous. People I know in the business have said it's ridiculous to believe actors are responsible for checking the gun for live rounds. Most action movies now have automatic weapons and those actors don't check their ammunition. Baldwin was unaware she brought live rounds and mixing them with fake rounds.
@@serenetiv She billed Rust for an inertia puller. Used to make live rounds into dummies
@@YancyKin she did. but the inertia puller could've been to "repair" a dummy that fell to the ground and got the bullet shoved in. or that she found a round that didn't rattle and had no hole and wanted to take it apart to look if it's live. (that would make the incident even worse but it's a possibility) there are a few theories you can make up around that inertia puller, that never got found btw
They should have called the Movie 'Rushed'
Crap is a better name for it.
Shtarring Sean Connery
@Michael - in the edit you need to check the audio of clips played and make sure your dad’s audio is turned off while the clip is playing. Sometimes we get a very difficult echo because both audios are running at the same time.
It’s been happening on and off now for a while. I didn’t want to jump on it, but it does make it hard to watch and frustrating too. Easy fix - watch through the video yourself before uploading it, you can catch any errors then.
Thanks Bruce for making this when you’re ill. Get better soon mate
Imho
No matter who hands you a firearm and says its "cold", always treat it like its "hot" and check it yourself. Do people really forget the #1 rule when handling firearms?!
Hoping you speak on her attorney allowing her to self snitch throughout the entire police "interview."
And sit and talk like spoiled Hollywood royalty.
Do you think they were trying to go for lack of an adequate defense?
@@gregdrivesdriver5104 I don't think so, if you're asking me. I don't think defense attorneys purposely provide an inadequate defense to argue on appeal. I think they would try to win the actual case at hand. But I can't make sense of why he let her talk so much.
@@mombear5116 apparently he does more civil law than criminal. Another LawTube channel I watch remarked that her lawyer behaved as though he was sitting in on a deposition rather than a police interview. From what I've heard he took the case pro bono, and I guess you get what you pay for?
@@gregdrivesdriver5104 from what i've been told, ineffective council has a really high bar and bowles hasn't reached it.
The content genius making you work when you’re sick as a dog? I object! Rest up and get well soon Bruce. ❤❤
Please take a break to rest up Bruce. Someone else can buy grandma her Cheetos and rolling papers.
He's been sick? Was wondering where he was
Yes, I love this channel but poor Bruce was not at the top of his game on this video. So I agree I think he needs to rest and heal. I know where I live there’s all kinds of things going around, including the flu! Get well completely!!❤
I had that cold starting the day after Valentine's. It won't let go, it's nasty.
Overruled!! Criminal Lawyer Bruce Rivers always works!
Internet lawyered. Boom!
Had an employee who did something wrong, but then lied about it and tried to cover it up. I actually used the expression this morning she turned a misdemeanor into a felony.
She explained in her interview how difficult it is to get into the industry and you need to know the right people. She attached her stepfather's last name to her legal name and had people call her Hannah Gutierrez Reed because she wanted to be perceived as someone more experienced than what she was. She very much wanted people to not think of her as a 24 year old inexperienced armorer, but as the daughter of the famous armorer Reed who was trained by him. It worked out, she got into the industry and now a woman is dead.
At any point in time she could have said that the way they wanted things done was unsafe and she would go if they didn't change things. She didn't because her career was more important to her than people's safety. And she's the one who explained to the cops how her job is all about safety and kept mentioning what happened on the movie set of The Crow. So she knew how bad this can go.
They offered her a deal but she would have to admit where the live round came from, so she refused. Prosecutor showed pictures that would indicate that Hannah brought the rounds to the set that were apparently supplied by her dad (she showed it to police in police interview and said it was her dad's box) She did not want to implicate her dad (81) in any of this.
Was it his old armourer's box for sentimental purposes or full? Even if from Pop's its here whole job to check rounds for their status no matter where there from. If Pop provided them, then he shoulda stepped up, especially if 81 years old.
There was reports of people taking them and shooting cans with the thing, they knew there was live rounds on set and going into those guns sigh.
@khristcamp9416
Thank you for this info. I’ve been following this case closely. Can you help me understand where you got this information?
@@ZalzanyThose are rumors that have been proven to be untrue.
That's my understanding- Hannah refused to eat out her dad.
Morrisey threatened her with more charges if she refused the plea.
Hannah is still up for having a firearm in a bar.
It’s amazing to me that they are still making this movie!
Right! Alec started back up production THE DAY the charges on him were dropped (which obviously didn't stay dropped).
I think they're done filming though. I can't imagine they'll make a dime from it.
@@mellowjeje13 Her husband requested the movie be completed in her memory, so it wasn't entirely Alec's decision, though it wouldn't surprise me if he pushed for it regardless.
MONEY TALKS
What?! I did not know this.
@@janeyfinzel4348 YES, THEY RECENTLY RESUMED ROLLING
Rule number one is that any firearm is assumed to be loaded with live rounds until you personally examine it to prove otherwise. Every single time, without deviation. If someone says they are handing me a "cold gun" the first thing I do is verify that. Every. Single. Time. I've never had an "accidental discharge."
Something that did not occur to me in my early thinking about this horrible situation is this:
Why did Alec Baldwin take a fireable gun to a work meeting(they weren't filming; they were setting up shots; they did not need a real gun for that) that could have been completed using a block of wood, and then point the fireable gun at someone? There is lots of fault to go around here, but this is an element of negligence that I haven't heard many people mention.
It has to do with practicing movements and something about the weight changes how your hands move. That's what I heard a cinematographer saying.
@ileanahernandez1709 He could have practiced for hours on end in that room by himself if he needed to do so, and they should have had a fake gun for him that was not capable of being fired if he needed to do that. There is not a need for him to use a fireable gun for any of that. The fake gun could weigh and feel precisely like the real one. This is common on Hollywood sets.
Why would there ever be live ammunition on a movie set? Why?
Supposedly they were target shooting with the prop guns on set.
Right... So stupid. It's obvious to me this wasn't really an accident
@@Steve-ev6vxbut why?! 😂 Doesn't even make sense they would do that on set. It's completely unnecessary
@@Ann-op5kj really bad decision if that what happened. I read another post that said she may have brought the rounds on set to turn into dummy rounds and got them mixed up. It sounds like they haven't proved where they came from, because she turned down the deal that required her to say where they came from.
Yeah exactly that’s why this situation became what it was. It’s the Swiss cheese model for major failures….multiple individual failures in safety & procedure had to happen for the holes to line up just right to allow a shooting to happen.
In this case those holes are an inexperienced armor, that’s also quite young, an armorer using drugs, and an armorer (and perhaps others) that brought live rounds to the set, AND the armorer not fully checking every round.
If just one of these factors was altered this probably would not have happened.
22:08 hey guys… longtime viewer here! Always clicking on the videos as soon as I see them!
I wanted to point out that I’ve noticed an echo here and there in the video. It seems to be the sound from the clip your playing for us and the sound from Bruce’s clip playing over top of each other slightly out of synch…. Creating an echo where the same sound is playing twice. This can probably be resolved by muting one clip or the other when he is watching the clip you are showing us.
It’s definitely not a big deal and the content is still great and entertaining! But I figured I’d point it out incase you weren’t aware! Great video and analysis as usual!
Yeah I’ve noticed that too.. not to complain at all but there’s definitely some echoing when there’s a video playing in most episodes. Not every time but just so Michael knows.
Agreed, I was gonna comment the same thing. It's happened more than a handful of times and I'm surprised they haven't caught it in editing and fixed it yet. Hope they see your comment and get it resolved in the future.
I'm wondering if they accidentally uploaded an unedited version or a previous draft, seems like there's a bunch of little editing errors that I don't usually see in their videos.
Was looking for this comment before I made it myself. Love the content, but it seems like a good portion of the videos have this echo start halfway through. Content genius, what is Dad clicking on that he shouldn't?! 😂
They know this and usually edit so its not like that but not in this one, and there's dozens of other editing mistakes also
She only wanted more training for the kid, but he wasn't allowed to handle the guns anyway. They said no, the insurance cost was too high.
In one of Hannah's interviews, she talks about finding the mystery box of ammo that she thought were dummies and she said that she "picked it up and they rattled" so she knew they were all dummies. That implies that she didn't actually take any of them out of the box to shake them individually. At another point, she states that she "checks all of them most of the time." Both those statements are consistent with the facts; she didn't do her job accurately or consistently.
Missing the beard🥲
Self snitched on his neck by shaving it
Her lawyer was not very good. Seth and Sarah were both sketchy. The entire set was utter chaos. After watching this trial consensus was guilty of a lesser charge. Even the AD, who was a safety officer didn’t check the gun he handed to Alec. So many people in this movie production were negligent
After watching the trial I would've been surprised no one got hurt on that circus of a set.
Yep all round!
31:15 Talk about sketchy, the woman testifying is Gabriella Pickle, she's the line producer and hired the crew including Hannah. In 2018 she tried to fire her crew for attempting to unionize because... unsafe working conditions on the set. Movie was 'Keys to the City'
@@windywednesday4166 Also, GP was clearly not telling the full truth on the stand. She had them all convinced the agreement was 10 days, when it was actually 8, and then denied that HGR asked for more days, when there are email exchanges that show she did ask for more days and time. She was very shifty on the stand also, and then when she was walking out she smirked at HGR and had a s-eating grin on her face all the way out - she had her back to the jury, so I am sure they could not see that. Look, I do feel that HGR was culpable also, but she was not alone in that... the production team was also at fault as well, including GP and Sarah among others.
@caspersroom So, 31:21 GP is testifying that she doubled the number of days Hannah was originally scheduled for, so I'm not sure what you're on about there. And I agree she's 100% sketchy and shifty. But at the end of the day, it is 100% Hannah's job as the armourer to make sure that gun was safe when she handed it off. Hannah loaded it, and she 'checked' it before handing it off as cold. That was her job. I think it is a shame that any number of people didn't tell her off or fire her for being so disorganized and irresponsible on the set, but at the end of the day it was her responsibility, she put the bullet in the gun, she screwed up, two people were shot and one of them died.
That’s exactly like OTR Truck Drivers… If we get pressured to do something that we know shouldn’t do, like drive over our drive time to make a delivery and something goes wrong, can’t say the dispatcher told me to do it..That doesn’t work for us at all..
Yep
That's right. Anything that goes wrong in your rig and you know for a fact everyone is going to throw you under the bus. 💯 ❤
@@windywednesday4166 exactly
Another video where they don’t watch it first to check for sound quality issues. It’s a good thing the content is so good.
Yeah was that a fart at 00:10? 🤔
There‘s an echo in the recordings from the courtroom.
That's the feedback on Bruce's microphone from his laptop.
Her asking for more training days sounds good for her out of context but in context was damning. She asked for a training day to train the movie's 11 year old actor in firearms even though he wasn't going to use them in the movie. She was denied because they didn't want to have a minor using guns unnecessarily and the insurance wouldn't agree to that risk either. Hannah said she would try to do it anyway off set.
That was just strange. There has to be more to that story, I wonder if the kid was asking her to shoot, or if she had some reason for wanting to get close to the kid.
There's footage of the 11 year old messing with one of the guns between scenes and he was supposed to be holding the gun because of the premise of Rust. So the 11 year old should have been trained. They said they refused training because insurance was going to be expensive because the kid is a minor. Which is BS excuse in my opinion
@iamawesomehearmeroar Right?! The woman testifying at 31:15 is Gabriana Pickle. She is the line producer and hired the crew, including Hannah. If I remember correctly she was the one on the 911 call who was screaming and trying to point the finger at Hall to be blamed.
When you hear Alec rushing everybody with his “hurry hurry hurry”… I wouldn’t be surprised if he was doing Coke as well
AMEN SISTER 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏...Alec Baldwin is EGOTISTICAL & I pray 🙏 that he is found guilty at his trial 🙏 also!!!!!!! For him to attempt to say that he didn't pull the trigger on that gun is just INSULTING & RIDONKOLOUS!!!!!!!! That SHOWS that he IS a LIAR!!!!!!!
No, I don't think so. He's been sober for a long time now. Just because someone is in a hurry or is an actor doesn't mean they're coked up. More likely he was just in a rush for some other reason and since he's in charge, he felt he can boss everyone around.
There is possibly circumstantial evidence that they think Hannah Gutierrez was hung over from drugs or alcohol from the day before. But in the end I don't think it really matters much. There's enough here about the lack pf safety without it.
People who had a long period of drug dependance can end up retaining some of the mannerisms after becoming sober.
@@YTStoleMyUsernameOne good possibility is that Baldwin wanted to do another take before the light changed. It easier to take part of one take, part of another if the shadows hasn't changed.
Alec: "Yeah, yeah, whatever Hannah. Just give me the damn gun. Can't you see I'm on the phone???"
I love that you’re always so dapper and well groomed. These videos are great. Thanks for sharing your legal expertise with us!!!!
But he needs to grow back the beard!
Bring back the beard.
Bruce can come dressed , as he pleases, it’s so great that we can watch his amazing videos. I love the way he intently listens to testimony and commentary, and thoughtfully r explains it and gives us his outlook.
@@Sampsonoff Nah he looks great!
@@BennettP1824 It adds to his mystique.
5:51- Bruce is a great magician... Puts his glasses on without any hands.
1) Treat all guns as if they are loaded. 2) If you have an unloaded gun in your possession, refer back to #1.
My Father was a Captain in the Army. He taught shooting to troops on the rifle range. He taught me about guns when I was 8 years old. The people on this movie set who were in charge of hiring qualified people decided to cheapen out and hire idiots in order to save a few bucks. They are the real guilty ones.
Alec was one of those people. He had a directors credit. I agree completely, they knew she was unqualified and that's why she was so cheap. Her father should have said something too, as he had to of known she wasn't ready. Had that been my daughter and it was her first time and I trained her, I would be on that first set making sure protocols were followed.
He is partially guilty. But she is mostly guilty.
Every veteran like me knows this but I learned it way before when my father was teaching me hunting at 8 years old .. I ended up being a firearms instructor while I was active for a few years in between deployments
Amen. IF OSHA said other people in the "chain of command" were guilty of management issues / crimes / negligence in their eyes..... then why the heck was the lowest person on the totem pole charged?! When they said management has so many issues....
I respect and appreciate your comment as I am Canadian and know nothing of firearms but I did work in the film&TV industry for 14 years.
HG should not have been found criminally liable and not be in jail as this was not WILFUL negligence and I hope she wins her appeal.
I started out, as most people do, working on similar kinds of sets where the Executive Producers take advantage of the unspoken, unwritten hierarchy of a set which, from low to big budget - is always the same.
My first day on set was 26 hours.
I have known 2 deaths on two separate jobs due to this kind of exploitation.``````````
Baldwin knew better; in fact he chose to take advantage of the fact that you can get projects done by cutting costs in this negligent way.
When you become a professional, as I did, and you become a guild or union member, you are protected from irresponsible egos like his by your union but you also gain experience, learn your craft and you don’t take sh*t from anyone.
Regardless of the circumstances there will be always group of grunts running around who are squeezed and pressured into accepting, what would be considered impossible working circumstances in most other environments.
Yes - she should NEVER have been hired and YES she should never have accepted the responsibility but this is how the entire industry runs - it takes advantage of the inexperienced and unprotected - I have seen it on most contracts.
Do you have any idea what it would have cost production to hire a professional Armourer who would NEVER have agreed to
1. assume some of the assistant Property Master duties
2. Who would have insisted on having more assistants
3. Who would have slowed the pace of shooting (extremely expensive)
4. Who would have said NO to Alec Baldwin, regardless of his status and ego, and
5. Who would have walked off set at any moment wherein their professional decisions were questioned as regards to safety.
Each of those 5 points has a huge cost attached and this is why Alec Baldwin and co. agreed to hire an inexperienced Line Producer/Property Master (unreal to be doing both jobs at the same time - in fact it is impossible to both with any skill or integrity) and Armourer.
HG was singled out in an industry which accepts these kinds of risks everyday. I guarantee you there is a set running today making similar sloppy decisions.
When a film set of professionals is put together and costs are cut only where they should be, if they have to be, it is an amazing symbiotic organization of skilled people working hard, fast and making incredible things.
On the flips side you have this situation where many people are responsible for a list of careless and idiotic decisions and people die but it is an organization made up of many groups within groups in a strict hierarchy and one person should not be held responsible for the DPs death.
Omg - I could go on.
9:40 "Redistribute blame" is a hilarious phrase I might be stealing that
I’m taking Tort Law now, and this i’ll definitely be bringing up this case in class tomorrow! I’ve been watching your channel since before I was a law student, and being able to connect your videos with my lessons is so awesome. Thanks again Bruce!
Something that doesn't seem to have been mentioned is this wasn't her first film, there had already been one, that same month, and there were problems there, including the lead actor, Nicholas Cage, walking off set.
Cage demanded her to be fired after there were live fire incidents on set twice.
@@mrdavman13 when Nicolas Cage is the sanest person on the set , it's time to be concerned.
@@mrdavman13I wonder who(if anyone) was aware of this (presuming its true) before she was hired?
It was a recipe for disaster at its finest. An ammo shortage of th era was happening to due 1883. There was live shooting on set in off times. Some live rounds were nearly identical looking to dummies. There were several types of dummies due to shortage. Girl was coked out as can be, puffin tough and schwiled at moments that would allow. Her second time flying solo and also trying to handle other prop roles. A complete recipe for disaster.
Was not planing on watching this trial, but damn I got sucket in! It was crazy, never seen so many incompetent people in one room - and NEVER so bad prosecutor, defense and judge at once!
It was a circus just like the set was.
the investigation was incompetent too.
@davidtiessen7713 I started to wonder what happened to all the professionals there. The set, trail, attorneys, and investigation were all incompetent.
My understanding from watching the person negotiating her training said that she asked for 10 days was given 8dsys training and 2 days on set qualified for the full 10 days. The motivation wasn’t competence, it was to get her training days needed to join the local guild or union.
The prosecutor said (after asking line producer Gabrielle Pickle) that the 2 more days she wanted were to train the child actor who wouldn't be holding the gun in the movie.
@@gabriellegeorge2648 right... I'm not sure that really makes sense. Isn't the premise of the movie that the boy accidentally killed (shoots) somebody? So it sounds like he handles a gun at some point in the movie.
Best legal analysis I've seen on this case and I've watched many. EXCELLENT, Sir, clearly explained and thank you so much!
WHY would you bring live rounds to a move set? What could you possibly need them for?
I'm not sure what punishment should get.But I don't think she should ever work in that position again personally.
She can’t legally own or handle firearms again because she has now been convicted of a felony
She wouldn't have been hired ever again, even without the conviction.
She probably won't work in that position again. That said, I can't imagine that this is the first and only time this type of behavior has gone on on a set. I'm guessing a lot of people will be having a "There but for the grace of God, go I" moment.
Thank you for breaking this down so some people can follow/understand all of this!
The AD testified in his plea deal that he handed the gun to Baldwin, then in the trial he testified that she did. He knew that the correct safety check was not done, then he handed the gun to Baldwin. The AD should have been making sure that the armourer was doing the job correctly, she messed up but surely the last person to handle the gun before Baldwin pointed it where he shouldn’t, should be at least dealt with in the same manner as her. He took a plea deal though which is crazy when you think about it!
The armorer wasn't told there was a rehearsal scene going on inside the church. She therefore couldn't be there to check the gun just before it was given to Baldwin.
I don’t believe Sarah either… she was acting as an armour with no idea what she was doing…
Or Seth for that matter. I still think there is something there that was 'conveniently' overlooked.
Yes.
Sarah definitely had no idea what she was doing. My jaw was on the floor when she (twice- once for the prosecutor and once for the defense attorney) described how to load the gun - with trigger pulled back. Furthermore she used how to load the gun as the definition for a single action revolver. She also did not have a good understanding as to what a prop master was. Only the armorer should be loading, unloading, transferring a firearm and maintaining custody of a firearm. Unbelievable that Sarah acted as the Armorer for The Old Ways.
Can we acknowledge how scummy it was to give a recovering cocaine addict something that is believed to be cocaine?
She might not have known the lady was a recovering addict. Doing coke while being on duty in a position that important is bad enough.
@@Steve-ev6vx everyone does cocaine in hollywood
Wrong job if, it’s that’s a known problem
No one is addicted to cocaine. They just haven’t figured out that you need to eat limestone dust in water after using it. That’s what the native Americans did and they had no addicts
I didnt feel sad for her at 51, not used coke since her 20s. Cmon the woman was grossly exaggerating. Also the 51 year old could have said no I'm not taking it.
If appealed Hanna will be remanned back to the trial court b/c the state relied on a partial legal definition of specific intent.
This element should have been stricken from the trial proceeding with an instruction to the jury, this instruction was omitted and
a breach of procedural due process resulted. The state Appellate Court will rule this breach was ripe and now must be afforded to
Hanna's defense. Please define for your viewers the complications of specific intent, you are an accomplished professor.
Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know she had good grounds for an appeal.
I am glad that you rented the peacemaker and showed that it could not fire without the trigger being depressed. That gun has about a 21/2 lb trigger pull (very light). Many unexperienced shooter have an instinct to automatically place their finger on the trigger thinking they are not pressing it but they also move their thump in a curl (that brings the trigger finger back). If you watch Alec's interrogation where he is demonstrating his "expertise" in the cross draw, his finger is curled. The two practices that were caught on tape, his finger was on the trigger.
Hey Michael, I have a feeling that your old man likes those pistol cuff links 😂
i have always had dislike for people that "get into the family business" "my dad was an armorer, so now im gona take the easy road and use all the connections and legs up over everyone else" SPECIALLY when you do a bad job at it
Yeah I can't stand that. The rest of us have to work so much harder to get those kinds of opportunities. And they don't care about their position because they didn't have to earn it. Makes them feel like it's okay to slack off
Popular actors’ kids do it all the time. 😒 Look at the Baldwins, Arquettes, Pinkett-Smiths, etc. Ugh.
thats how it works. it's not a meritocracy. Its bs but true.
@@leannemo7382 popular sportspeople too, you’ll find a some of these who tried to get into F1 because of their famous F1 dad, now they end up doing Formula E, Indycars and WEC
Nepotism is not only in the movie industry it's in every single industry around the world 🌎🌍! Stop blaming a single place in the map ! Look at politicians police lawyers and judges, private industries. They all do the same thing.
I wish they could also charge whoever hired that unqualified person to be the armorer. 😡
you mess up on your job and your boss is held accountable cause they hired you? hahahaha
@@cccccc4144 A grossly unqualified person?Yes, Negligent homicide.
@@karenabrams8986 such a boomer way of deflecting blame. learn what negligent homicide means before using it. lol
31:15 The woman testifying is Gabriana Pickle, the line producer. She's the one who hired the crew, including Hannah. She was also named in a lawsuit for unfair labor practices for trying to fire a crew that was trying to unionize because of... unsafe working conditions on the set of the 2918 movie 'Keys to the City'.
@@windywednesday4166 good. The incompetence is outrageous.
Bottom line is that the Armourer is 100 percent responsible here. PERIOD. Baldwin is an actor who assumed that she hadn't lied when she handed him what he thought and was told a "cold" weapon. He is not responsible for the death and injuries. She loaded those live rounds and brought them onto the set. She should be facing way more jail time.
The Armourer is 100 percent guilty. B
I’m here every video for the react, but also to hear the latest shenanigans of Bruce’s grandma 😂
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culpable negligence - deliberate disregard
Not just her, I'm still shocked how much self-snitching was going all over the place. It's almost like they could have afforded to consult a lawyer before talking to the police or the media. If they had, I doubt it would've gone down the same way.
This trial is perfect SNL material, especially the Alec Baldwin character. So can’t wait for it
she did not take a deal because in the deal she had to testify who supplied the ammo (in my opinion her step father Thell Reid)
It was the magic fart
When he said ,
' reload , hurry up '
Thats Not Good ! Sounds like he's being a Boss !
About to be the boss in prison
No, that’s just a request. The armourer still has to 100% do their job safely. What is she - 14? If she’s so intimidated by a guy on set, enough not to do her job properly, she shouldn’t be a bloody armourer.
Imho
He’s such a pompous, narcissistic ass
@@bramsrockhopper3377pretty much. If they don't want to listen, either shut the job down, and if they don't want to do that... leave.
I know it's easy to say sitting in my living room, but I have a job that requires a lot of safety measure, and I am responsible for other people. Yea, they get pissed off when you make them stop.. They think you're wasting their time. You can usually talk to most people and make them understand, while a few others you're never going to convince.
I'd rather quit my job, and lose my career than be responsible for someone else, or myself, dying.
If the assistant director put the live round in, he took a plea really quick to end the investigation into him. They should have used this angle.
Wow the media is radio silent on this
Apart from the armorer everyone was in a union with years of experience. So the one job they chose to be a cheap hire-was the armorer. The only way this could be a good idea is IF the guns are fake with special and practical effects making gun smoke, bullet holes and gun shot noise.
like the automatics that only take blanks, because the chamber is to small to take live ammunition.
I'm not sure if that would be possible with a revolver though since you see into the cylinders
@@kyle18934 They knew that gun could hold real ammo there was reports of people shooting cans with the guns on set so some one brought in live ammo and the fucking things were never secured properly. Then add in dummy rounds people thinking those are planks they are DUMMY there is a bullet and no powder so you can point it at the camera and neck beards can't go "pft there is not even bullets in it!" or "You can clearly see the blanks!" So they put in 6 rounds that were suppose to be dummies as in no powder in them but a bullet on the cassing. So you could point it at camera and some one with HD or 4k screen could see the fake rounds in the chambers. Those damn things should been checked, and he should had them verify it, just saying its cold when they know they had issues with this gun and with the armory manger is crazy negligence.
She took the job in order to complete the hours she needed to be admitted to the Union.
Safety 3rd!
Her dad was a Hollywood armorer. It was a nepo hire.
You should look into this case about a criminal justice reform activist in New York who was arrested after police found a severed head in his fridge
Yes, that looks to be interesting for sure
Wow, that's crazy.
This happens everywhere when the operations people are pressuring you to hustle and move with Urgency and then when something happens the saftey heads appear the operations people disapear and you are screwed
Your comment on rushing... %100 correct... that woman needs 5 yrs for incompetence
13:45 rules of firearms #1 - treat every weapon as if its loaded
and, treat all blades as if they're live
Oh thank goodness. I've had a rough day and I can't tell you how excited I am to see a new video from my favorite defense lawyer and my favorite content genius! I really need this 20 min escape.
Thank you so much Bruce & Michael! ❤~Posey
You are spot on. Really need to listen to that inner voice in a life and death situation.
As I understand it the accidental discharge occurred while Alec Baldwin was practicing drawing the weapon in rehearsal. He drew it several times before the discharge went off. Helena Hutchins just happened to be standing there and was hit along with another person. Alec Baldwin waving the gun around and pointing it to people (not in an action scene) makes him just as culpable. It bypassed the normal chain of checks and balances that are to occur before a scene is to be shot involving a gun. He should of practiced drawing the pistol away from all of the people.
Thank you Bruce and Michael.
Maybe it’s just me, but when this happened, I immediately got the vibe that Hannah was a spoiled little brat who has a Hollywood dad who helped her land a job where she didn’t know what she’s doing.
Every picture of her I've seen on set, she looks like she wants to be _anywhere_ else. Like, her dad had told her she cant keep partying all the time and get a job, but she was just so spoiled he just handed her the same job as him, which she took because she had no choice. And took it just as seriously, which is to say; not at all
It was not her dad who got her the job. Seth Kenny recommended Hannah to the production, and the production wanted someone cheap rather than experienced.
Every day of the trial the armorer looked uninterested in the proceedings, even though it concerned her fate..
Thanks, Michael & Bruce 👍
Thank you Bruce!
Always informative, entertaining, neat and well dressed. Miss the beard .✌
I miss the beard too
yeah, Bearded Bruce is even more handsome!
Absolutely.@@rachelwitherspoon4394
For sure.@@TheOldandslow
👌👍@@rachelwitherspoon4394
“Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast.”
The key to safety is deliberately taking controlled and consistent actions, at the right times. Rushing leads to missing steps. Missing steps starts lining up holes in the Swiss Cheese Model. Her greatest error, aside from a live round making its way onto a set, was failing to be the boss when it comes to weapons and safety.
It astonishes me as to "why" a live bullet was even around? there should be no real bullets anywhere near a film set if guns are involved. I just cant imagine how it 'accidentally' got there. Not saying it was on purpose, im just wondering if someone brought their real gun on set at any point.
Yep. I lack the requisite knowledge to fully perform the role of armorer, but I can run the logistics of how you setup your armory. All of that stuff needs to be locked down. The AD was literally able to walk up to a cart and grab the gun while the armorer was nowhere to be found. That is insane.
Always a good listen, thanks Bruce!
It’s about time!!! I’ve been waiting for your take on this!!!
GUNS. ARE. NOT. TOYS.
Unfortunately a lot of people in this country think they are. That or compensation for inadequacies
They're definitely not toys on set, ever. Even PAs are forbidden to handle any firearm props. It's 100% the purview of the armorer, and it's a huge responsibility. Strict safety protocols were clearly not followed.. 🤦♂️
Baldwin should not be held liable. The chain of custody for operable firearms on set is pretty much an industry standard. SAG-AFTRA puts it out in their safety bulletins.
@@AdrianLeebut he's the one that pulled the trigger and he was the producer. He was part of hiring people
@@samuelpancake4084 he was rightfully under the assumption that the gun handed to him had been safety checked. The liability is fully upon the armorer, that was her responsibility. The director doesn't have time to perform the check, he was demonstrating how to perform the following take. Schedules are very tight on set, and the Production Manager is the one who makes sure every need is crewed before prep even begins. This was 100% a failure in the armorer part of the chain.
(I work in production) 😊
Off topic Bruce. Did you ever get that spot looked at? I hope so!❤
I believe he mentioned it in a video a while back. I think he did have it checked by a dermatologist out and it turned out to be a benign thing that was some sort of lesion or sun spot or something to that effect. But definitely not anything malignant like cancer thank goodness!
I know he talked about it being checked out but I can't remember the details sorry.
@@miketike3246
Oh good! Don’t know how I missed that!! 😂
She wasn't the only one responsible and I think far too many ignore that. The responsibility was shared between her and the guy they pardoned. Shame on that DA she should be fired and never work in public law again. She allowed one directly responsible for her death to be pardoned completely just so they could railroad Baldwin. I still don't even understand what charges they are filling against him lying, because safety and checking the gun was not on him. I might see it if they are sueing him as Exec prod. but I think that part doesn't matter and if so f that whole case against him. It ignores how gun safety works on any set anywhere no matter how well it runs.
Awesome video Bruce, thanks
Always a great day when Bruce posts!!
The echoes at the 21:53 and 23:55 marks are pretty bad.
They never should have hired this young adult who obviously knows nothing about weapons.. she is a joke.
well.. they tried to hire different armorers, afaik around 4, but none of them did want to do the job under the conditions the production set. Hannah said yes.
Low budget Film. If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys
She does know weapons. Her father has been a Hollywood armory for decades. She even worked with him multiple times. Her being spineless was the problem. You can't be in charge of peoples' safety & not be able to tell them no or stop. She got this job for two reasons. The first being her family name carrying weight in the industry. The second being she was willing to do it for the money offered by this low-budget film.
Kid. She's a kid
@chuckler7311 that all means nothing. She clearly knows nothing. If I was on set as a janitor, I STILL would have removed her from her position.
This man is adorable and intelligent and has a great sense of humor. I love him-!
She didn't give a f@#ck about Helyna. She was upset everyone was blaming her and that she was going to get bad press and no more work.
Yup totally agree. She has a real snotty attitude that even the new cleaner image can't hide
She does have that kind of face doesn't she? I would be out of line by saying that but good thing her attitude does indeed match.
Wouldn't you? Of course she is worried about her future.
@@urbaniv idk if it were me, the guilt i would feel at having caused the loss of a life by being so negligent would FAR outweigh any concern i have over my own future
@@zaesera8625exactly. Some people including the person above you just cannot fathom the concept causing the death of someone might impact me harder than being worried about my future job in Hollywood
How can a prop company even have 'live' bullets at all. Can anyone explain why they would need live ammo?
That is the big question.
Her step-dad worked on a show that used live rounds. She took 2 boxes from his house, they had the live rounds in them. Which is why she refused to take a deal and say where the bullets came from.
Seth Kenney said he had them for self defense.
Im so glad YOU are covering this. Dying to hear your opinion on this case. I watched it gavel to gavel.
Keep them coming....Luv your channel.
Don't know if that's your home office or work office, but I worked for lawyers for 24 years and not one of them had a desk and a credenza that wasn't stacked perilously high with redwelds, documents, folders and reference materials.
What’s a redweld
@@StannTheCaddyThey're those expandable folders that have sections to them
Does he do anything other than RUclips now?
@@Steve-ev6vx He owns his own lawfirm in Minneapolis. So yeah he does more than RUclips.
Home office fosho
Yay!!!! You’re back!! We missed you Bruce 🤍
its a clone, no beard
Thank You 😊
Love this channel. Thank you! Re: E Forms: are their forms universal… for every state?
I am certain this is not an isolated incident in the movie industry. I am sure that this happens all the time, corners are cut for trimming the expense of a movie except this time somebody got killed because of it.
You’re just pulling shit out of midair.
The last on set shooting was over 30 years ago and there’s been THOUSANDS of movies and TV shows that involved filming gun scenes. The industry has had this worked out for quite some time, and thinks have been going great until a negligent armorer entered the scene AND brought live rounds to the set.
I'm sure it happens to, but one of the check and balances stops a negligent hanfling of a prop to being a fatal shooting.
like the actor not pointing his guns at people and pulling the trigger
Its stupid rare most the guns are replicas and can't hold live ammo they look real but they are fake you can't put real ammo in it the chamber is made so it don't work. This revolver was a replica but could fire real ammo, it was "accurate" so some neck beard wouldn't go "that chamber is too tiny! ANd look I can see the blanks when he points it near the camera!" So they put dummies in that are real bullets with no powder in them so they don't shoot but you can pan them by the camera and it looks loaded.
An yeah last time this happened was ages ago on Set of Crow I think it was. They changed a ton of rules since then they use to fake guns like when they got MP5s and shit those are 100% fake and again can't hold a real bullet its why they can fire what seems like a crazy amount of blanks because they not using right size blanks it wouldn't take real ammo. And these idiots had live ammo and got caught shooting cans with the damn thing.
@@cruisinguy6024 Im leaning towards ya, can you imagine if she was in charge of a John Wick film? she woulda got everyone killed
@@DeRockMedia funny you mention John Wick, I’ve used that as an example before as to WHY it’s the armorer’s responsibility to ensure a safe weapon not the actor. One scene might involve a single actor being quickly handed half a dozen completely different firearms - there’s just no way an actor not familiar with firearms can reasonably be expected to verify they’re all loaded with the appropriate dummy or blank rounds in a matter of seconds.
Had she been on a war movie I dread think what could have happened.