Major Levin fan here, to anyone who is interested in his work: he has an academic channel that he posts all his lectures and interviews to (Michael Levin Acedmic Channel) on youtube
No need to hope. Start now. It takes nothing more than curiosity and action. Have an idea? Explore it. Experiment with it. Test it. Learn from it and share with others.
Q. 55:54 Where is all this Intelligence/Specific Goals etc coming from?. A."Platonic latent space" (ironic, since Platonism is surely dead now that "all minds are embodied") ...and ... "[what we know is that] we have a place for exploring". As Socrates said "All that I know is that I know nothing" lol
if there is kind of cellular collective mind, that does the adapting, wouldnt that also mean, that minds can influence body on a cellurlar level? i wonder how many levels of subconscious there might be other than the limbic system and if all these problem solving mechanisms (including consciousness) might finally follow a leading mind, we havent found yet
@helcacke isnt that kind of a mixed effect? Sure, initially you think it is a medicine that will help. Other than that the selfhealing works totally subconscious
Thank you. It appears that the effort to apply information to understanding of intelligence coexisting in unison. What appears “unwelcome” or “ immediately discounted” from many scientific and mathematical institutions is a disturbingly disregarded consideration for the intelligence humans have inherited by no clear or measurable distinction of purpose. When defining the mathematical odds of humans evolving under so mathematically measured “odds” is akin to a infant having no regard for its mother or father because they appear “archaic and fault functioning” The data suggests that humanity and intelligence spreading beyond its own form… is statistically so unlikely to appreciate let alone understand, based on the uniquely specific universal odds of life on earth to exist, persistently and express intelligence to design another that has respect or concern for our design? The odds that a nearly perfect spherical sun above us. The odds of atmospheric natural and cultural conditions persisting to exist. Even the odds of lightning striking the earth just enough so that there is not an eternal fire, until nothing is left to burn. There is a long long list of mathematical odds that even a small fraction of them suggests intelligent design to for life and intelligence to persist. Ergo… what are the odds of creating super intelligence… without being intelligent enough to add the intelligent design to the equation everything else? (Spare me the religious or simulation theories as they coexist in similar proof of intelligent design) If intelligence is what we seek to design Then WOW!! these are quite the good odds in an entire universe “casino” that we have already counted the cards and we can look at all of them on the table. The odds are a royal flush. Surely our intelligence and math if we keep measuring will prove otherwise. Surely our ignorance wont measured by creating ignorance to align with us with no regard for us either. Its the odds. Odds can be calculated Even if humans are to sensitive and divided to measure the obvious, and measure instead the endlessness of ignorance. Ya We should be mindful of spreading our ignorance, or expect to continue acting with agency as a very useful idiot. Jeremy
I don't have a higher education, so someone please educate me. Why do so many people (often much more educated than myself) still see the world through a lens of mechanistic materialism and reductionism? How can you watch something like this without seriously questioning how you see the world? I have a few theories why, and I suppose there's always been a lag for paradigms to shift, plenty of examples historically. What's that saying? Something like "science progresses one death at a time"...
Agency is about being live, why is that puzzling I don't understand is very simple . Other forms of agency. requires neural interelation. And intelligence in not solely about computation and agencies. Intelligence is mostly abstraction but for certain goal related to balance of life. Because balance is what life needs other physical structures or system doesn't prosses this need for balance if is not given them by living beings. Chemical compounds have certain levels of balance but is not just about their inner properties but flow of energy in them and around them. Life can be viewed also in this simplified way, but is not, because it requires inner mechanisms for interaction for achieving balance. Physical laws of quantum interactions are not mechanisms, even they are called mechanics, this are various levels of energy relations. While mechanisms in living organization is exactly balance related, as tho take natural chemical balancing and imply as own stracturing mechanisms. In nature there is certain levels of coherences balance is about attributing this levels of coherence for maintenance of complex structures. And balanced approach of life is not out of time and space is very related to this particular time and space so is not universal principle of balance. It's not eye that envision it's force of maintaining balance. Who does not respect balance and attributes intelligence to levels of coherence loose the meaning of life. Someone could again simplify and say neural ability to extract cohesion from abstraction is solely intelligence. No it's not it needs guidance for balance of life to maintain structural coherence.
dogs have CVTV(?) its a tumour, a clone of a cancer, that has been passed on akin to an STD for several thousand years... combined with this is intriguing
The work Michael Levin s doing is exceptional! My mind perpetually blown....)))))))))
same
😂 would say the same, its also very easy to accept and once you do it opens up so much
Major Levin fan here, to anyone who is interested in his work:
he has an academic channel that he posts all his lectures and interviews to (Michael Levin Acedmic Channel) on youtube
incredible, also shout out to Michael for the comicsans
I have listened to you in the past, your work is interesting.
Was excited for the Q&A. Too bad this was so short.
We are a self assembled intelligence which picks its own goals.
This is awesome, hope I can work on stuff like this and test theories.
No need to hope. Start now. It takes nothing more than curiosity and action.
Have an idea? Explore it. Experiment with it. Test it. Learn from it and share with others.
Brilliant !
Great talk 14:35 is an assumption... Perhaps the information is not 'imprinted onto the brain', and still the habit we call remembering continues.
I don't know how to like this more.
Read The Genius Within By Frank T Vertosick.
Q. 55:54 Where is all this Intelligence/Specific Goals etc coming from?. A."Platonic latent space" (ironic, since Platonism is surely dead now that "all minds are embodied") ...and ... "[what we know is that] we have a place for exploring". As Socrates said "All that I know is that I know nothing" lol
if there is kind of cellular collective mind, that does the adapting, wouldnt that also mean, that minds can influence body on a cellurlar level? i wonder how many levels of subconscious there might be other than the limbic system and if all these problem solving mechanisms (including consciousness) might finally follow a leading mind, we havent found yet
The mind does impact the body on a cellular level, e.g. stress has epigenetic and epistasis impact which alter genes and cells.
@@7200darkcharm i was referring to the conscious mind
If you mean the conscious mind I would look at the placebo effect as a possible way this idea manifests.
@helcacke isnt that kind of a mixed effect? Sure, initially you think it is a medicine that will help. Other than that the selfhealing works totally subconscious
@@nusu5331 Everything we experience is processed first by the conscious mind.
Thank you.
It appears that the effort to apply information to understanding of intelligence coexisting in unison.
What appears “unwelcome” or “ immediately discounted” from many scientific and mathematical institutions is a disturbingly disregarded consideration for the intelligence humans have inherited by no clear or measurable distinction of purpose.
When defining the mathematical odds of humans evolving under so mathematically measured “odds”
is akin to a infant having no regard for its mother or father because they appear “archaic and fault functioning”
The data suggests that humanity and intelligence spreading beyond its own form… is statistically so unlikely to appreciate let alone understand, based on the uniquely specific universal odds of life on earth to exist, persistently and express intelligence to design another that has respect or concern for our design?
The odds that a nearly perfect spherical sun above us.
The odds of atmospheric natural and cultural conditions persisting to exist.
Even the odds of lightning striking the earth just enough so that there is not an eternal fire, until nothing is left to burn.
There is a long long list of mathematical odds that even a small fraction of them suggests intelligent design to for life and intelligence to persist.
Ergo… what are the odds of creating super intelligence… without being intelligent enough to add the intelligent design to the equation everything else?
(Spare me the religious or simulation theories as they coexist in similar proof of intelligent design)
If intelligence is what we seek to design
Then WOW!! these are quite the good odds in an entire universe “casino” that we have already counted the cards and we can look at all of them on the table.
The odds are a royal flush.
Surely our intelligence and math if we keep measuring will prove otherwise.
Surely our ignorance wont measured by creating ignorance to align with us with no regard for us either.
Its the odds.
Odds can be calculated
Even if humans are to sensitive and divided to measure the obvious, and measure instead the endlessness of ignorance.
Ya
We should be mindful of spreading our ignorance, or expect to continue acting with agency as a very useful idiot.
Jeremy
my goat for referencing Magritte at the end of all of this 🍏
I don't have a higher education, so someone please educate me. Why do so many people (often much more educated than myself) still see the world through a lens of mechanistic materialism and reductionism? How can you watch something like this without seriously questioning how you see the world? I have a few theories why, and I suppose there's always been a lag for paradigms to shift, plenty of examples historically. What's that saying? Something like "science progresses one death at a time"...
Chop up whatever you like, but leave Mr Axel alone, too cute!
Agency is about being live, why is that puzzling I don't understand is very simple . Other forms of agency. requires neural interelation. And intelligence in not solely about computation and agencies. Intelligence is mostly abstraction but for certain goal related to balance of life. Because balance is what life needs other physical structures or system doesn't prosses this need for balance if is not given them by living beings. Chemical compounds have certain levels of balance but is not just about their inner properties but flow of energy in them and around them. Life can be viewed also in this simplified way, but is not, because it requires inner mechanisms for interaction for achieving balance. Physical laws of quantum interactions are not mechanisms, even they are called mechanics, this are various levels of energy relations. While mechanisms in living organization is exactly balance related, as tho take natural chemical balancing and imply as own stracturing mechanisms. In nature there is certain levels of coherences balance is about attributing this levels of coherence for maintenance of complex structures. And balanced approach of life is not out of time and space is very related to this particular time and space so is not universal principle of balance. It's not eye that envision it's force of maintaining balance. Who does not respect balance and attributes intelligence to levels of coherence loose the meaning of life. Someone could again simplify and say neural ability to extract cohesion from abstraction is solely intelligence. No it's not it needs guidance for balance of life to maintain structural coherence.
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dogs have CVTV(?) its a tumour, a clone of a cancer, that has been passed on akin to an STD for several thousand years... combined with this is intriguing
LOL it hurts so good to try to assimilate these ideas into my thinking.
Aren't we (all mamnals) alaso a kind of collective Dopamine Machine?
Yeah but what are you asking cause it's not like mammals exist purely to create dopamine
Why just dopamine?
Those ant flys will be the death of us
.....COMIC SANS?!?!
We're all just a bunch of fancy op-amps pretending to be important ;)