Fixing cancer cells and Immortality
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Fixing cancer cells and Immortality | TARGET: Cancer Podcast | Ep. 39
Michael Levin, a biologist studying regenerative and cellular regeneration, believes cancer arises when cells disconnect from the network that keeps them working towards larger goals. Cells become like amoebas, rolling back to a single-cell lifestyle with limited goals. He explains his work with the planarian flatworm as the holy grail of regenerative medicine with incredibly cancer-resistant and immortal properties.
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00:00 Introduction
05:30 The hardware/software analogy
14:07 How cells communicate
24:46 Cells are smart
30:30 Fixing the bioelectricity of cells with electroceuticals (ion channel drugs)
37:44 The flatworm and immortality
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#bioelectricity #cancersurpression #regenerativemedicine #michaellevin #cancer
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- ABOUT MICHAEL LEVIN -
Michael Levin, a Distinguished Professor in the Biology department at Tufts, holds the Vannevar Bush endowed Chair and serves as director of the Allen Discovery Center at Tufts and the Tufts Center for Regenerative and Developmental Biology. Recent honors include the Scientist of Vision Award and the Distinguished Scholar Award. Prior to college, Michael Levin worked as a software engineer and independent contractor in the field of scientific computing. He attended Tufts University, interested in artificial intelligence and unconventional computation. To explore the algorithms by which the biological world implemented complex adaptive behavior, he got dual B.S. degrees, in CS and in Biology and then received a PhD from Harvard University. He did post-doctoral training at Harvard Medical School (1996-2000), where he began to uncover a new bioelectric language by which cells coordinate their activity during embryogenesis.
- ABOUT DR SANJAY JUNEJA -
Dr. Sanjay Juneja is a triple board-certified Hematologist & Medical Oncologist serving as Chief of Oncology Service at Baton Rouge General Hospital, a social & news media personality known as the 'TheOncDoc' with over half a million followers, and one of fifteen social media doctors participating in the Healthcare Leaders in Social Media Round Table Series for the White House.
He has been featured by The Washington Post as well as dozens of national podcasts and regional news channels (PBS, CBS, NBC, NPR), and has given keynote speeches and partnered with the American Cancer Society, BeTheMatch, Leukemia & Lymphoma Society, Harvard University, Louisiana Department of Health and several others.
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The only good thing that Dr. Sanjay is doing is find out new implementations to Target cancer cells but we would learn better if we listen better which we will appreciate from dr. Sanjay .
You need to let your guests talk. 2ndly, ask 1 question at a time. Multiple questions can be difficult to remember.
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Pls allow your guests to speak
When you ask Many questions it's sounds like you want to hear what you want to have say and not your guests
For me and I guess for others listening it is very frustrating and we lose track of the conversation
Unless this was not meant for others to hear just your own conversation... I would appreciate you having guests and listen to them. Ask open ended questions and let's hear what THEY have to say. So we can all learn.
Thank you for your channel and making this possible. I hope my comments are helpful
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@@mayerschmukler7388Agreed. Is this an interview or a panel discussion?
there was tremendous lag during the filming of this podcast hence none were since recorded here. my interruptions were repeatedly accidental and I kept perceiving silence when it wasn't the case 🤦🏽♂️ agree, big loss of opp that plagues me to this day
I completely agree! I want to hear his guests explain their research and share their expertise. They have ways of simplifying technical concepts to the audience. However, the frequent and long interruptions by the host do the opposite. How frustrating!
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I was disappointed to notice that you dominated the conversation excessively and seemed more focused on showcasing your own opinions rather than facilitating a balanced discussion. This left little room for Professor Michael Levin to contribute meaningfully. The constant interruption and lengthy monologues from the host hindered a productive exchange of ideas.
Many thanks for your feedback.
Dr. Sanjay's behavior could have been predicted by his cheesy 'portrait' in the background. Worst kind of host.
Hi dr. Sanjay, with due respect to your knowledge , if you have the answers to all your questions ,then why have a podcast with dr. Michael. Why not lets have a podcast only with you and invite guests that can raise queries ? On another note , please do give your interviewees a chance to put forward to their understanding to the world via this platform .
Thank you for your feedback!
Since the electrical interface of cells is so important, how about the importance of groundings and electrolytes daily for overall healthspan?
Dr Levin is an excellent teacher. It is inspiring to watch him share his research and ideas, even aside from the mind blowing and exciting implications.
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Let him talk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Omg Michael thank you thank you thank you!!! I’m in love with your mind!!!!
Dr. Sanjay , with due respect to your knowledge, i think u got a lot to learn abt water. There are a lot of biophysicists who.have explained it clearly .cheers
This is an incredible discussion. That said, I would like to add just as others have in the comments section that I do think you should allow your guests to talk a bit more without interruption, but from reading all the comments, it’s clear to me you’ve picked up on that and have been open to that criticism!
So, I’d rather leave this comment with encouragement: the fact that you have been so able to receive what your viewers have said here speaks a lot to your character, and to the health of your future as a podcaster and host. Please, always keep this humility close to your heart, and you will be successful in your endeavors. Good luck :)
Completely disagree, I loved what was added to the discussion by each interruption.
Let your guest talk, please
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This gentleman is amazing.
This is a great video, thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well done !
You got a "thats a good point" from Michael mf Levin!!!
Is that sarcasm what does mf stand for
It would be great to post correlative studies we could read to get more details.
You can check Dr. Levin's website for more details on his research: as.tufts.edu/biology/levin-lab
Make an interview with professor Thomass Sayfried. Sometimes the truth lies at a less complicated solutions then the complicated mind of great scholars can imagine.
We already interviewed Dr. Seyfried. Here's the video: ruclips.net/video/qa3j40c8iAo/видео.html
I wonder
Is drinking water with natural salt or natural vinegar good to correct cell communication ?
Me too.
The concept is clarified in the book on "Healing is Voltage". You should find your answers there .
I think you guys are being too hard on the Onc Doc… he didn’t interrupt too much at all… keep up the great work Doc!
Thank you for your support. Dr. Juneja is indeed very enthusiastic and always willing to share all the knowledge in an accessible way to the viewers.
"the process breaks down" (3:37) Is this supposed to be helpful as an explanation for cancer?
We believe Dr. Levin refers to the event when cells start to go rogue and become autonomous, turning them into cancer cells. In regards to the specifics of how it occurs, that is being researched.
eliminate transition sounds between slides...very distracting when just listening
Thanks for your feedback. The audio-only podcast is available on all streaming platforms (Apple, Google, Spotify, etc) without sound effects.
12:13 OMG Stop, let him talk.
So many people cure with plants. And why they dont study the easy way to cure cáncer. Many plants are excelente, in there natural state.
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And
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"Mortality gives meaning to human life"
I'm ok with maybe living for a temporary life but the idea to reverse aging or how scientists and billionaires want to stop aging someday really is unnatural and will damage human evolution. This will cause overpopulation and breaking the chain of our species evolution from evolving for a better society.
Levin is simplistic about life and living. His assumed fix for cancer is just mechanistic. Cancer is unregulated growth. But it is a subset of the phenomenon of growth, which is a positive.
Levin in essence only hovers on just basic electricity, aka potential difference, working in living cells at microcosmic levels.
Thanks to evolving technology, we can ‘see’ the micro volt patterns in action. Levin has only tweaked it but doesn’t say anything beyond the ‘multilayered software, the process that harnesses individual sub-units towards larger scale goals’ of a group of cells. Well that’s precisely the biggest question in life, about what and how life came about and what in the heaven is that software that drives it??! All of religion, philosophy and recently the science has been asking that for aeons. No spectacular science or philosophy here.
Levin is not saying anything substantial than that has already been established in biology by genuine scientists and technologists.
True, that there are electric patterns that may drive the cells to establish self-organizing-energy-fields (SOEF). For example my arm will not grow to the size of a giant sequoia. There is an intelligence that creates that electric pattern. Just imaging the pattern and reverse engineering it will not take us to that intelligence. Playing around with the electric pattern is not going to fix cancer or make us immortal!
Thanks so much for your comment. You articulated by own reservations and comcerns about the inadequacies of his concept. He's not saying anything radically new per se. I am interested in cancer research too and I know it's much more than electricity however basic that maybe.
"doesn't say anything beyond the multilayered software, the process that harnesses individual subunits towards larger scale goal of a group of cell"
Watch more of his videos, he explains enough details to build necessary intuition for that in one of the YT video, I don't remember exactly which one.
Also,
The emmergence of this complexity can be realised, if not comprehensible, through the principles of cellular automata.
The same way the universe realises itself just from the simple possibility of 3 dimensional arrangements of the atomic/subatomic particles(simple local rules) results into the entire universe(incomprehensible complexity that becomes its entire new thing drastically shifting the ground truth), you me and this conversation after billions of years.
Something we would likely witness in case of generalised AI models this decade.
About Levin's work, I have a feeling, not only we would be able to control most of it, but recreate it as a simulation with the help of AI within these next few decades.
Recent advancements has given us enough tools to generate enough data.
Let’s call it the Operating System, in other words, Intelligence. Levin has not indicated even remotely anything about that driving intelligence.
If a bunch of cancer cells are observed purely by way of their electric field, it will surely be different from the ‘normal’ cells.
That’s because there is an underlying phenomenon or intelligence that’s causing it. A different subset of intelligence that is creating the normal cells. The electric field is only a product of that intelligence.
For example let’s take a humble seed, a sunflower seed.
The intelligence is present in the dry seed already. That then induces ‘Life’ under germinating conditions and then growth into the 3 dimensional space we are familiar with. Grow to about 6’ high and bloom flowers not minuscule neither giant as a rafflesia. Or not even as big as the moon!
Cancer is this spatial expansion of cells miscalculated by the intelligence.
It will be really helpful if Levin touches on this intelligence.
That intelligence would have in it ethereal elements like intentions, feelings, willfulness and the like which then brings in elements and of course the ‘electricity patterns’ , linked with timelines and create life in flora and fauna and more in the physical world.
ChatGPT or AGI is self limiting in this aspect as well.
There has to be a paradigm shift from present science. It can’t be science at all as the term ‘scientific evidence’ itself is self defeating.
Levin leans only on such limiting science.
Could have avoided some dumb questions lol.
Pro-life-ear-ate!!!! Lol lol lol
Dr. SJ needs to stop showing off about things he doesn't understand, shut-up and let Dr. Levin do the talking. Then Dr. SJ might learn something; because otherwise his thinking is old-school. Dr. Levin is merging cognitive science and information theory with scalable biological dynamic functions. This is a multi-discipline approach that uses a logically different way of viewing and simulating organic functionality that ultimately points to a different way to approach medicine.
We are not suppose to live forever -- and FYI who would want to - it would make you live meaningless.
Remember playing outside when we were kids, and our moms used to call us at the evening back to home? And we wanted to play a little longer?
"it's not about playing outside forever, just a little longer till we get a little bored, until its not completely dark"
The problem with Scientists like Michael Levin approach is that they try to control life rather then understand and work interactively with what is there, . The aim should be how to benefit from given reality rather then trying to control it. Human beings are not worms, they don't aspire to live for ever.
nah we should aspire to live forever, no point in dying
Death of the body is not the end of life It is an an opportunity to advance to a next stage. That’s what life is about. @@tadasturonis
Remember playing outside when we were kids, and our moms used to call us at the evening back to home? And we wanted to play a little longer?
"it's not about playing outside forever, just a little longer till we get a little bored, until its not completely dark".
"Death is opportunity to advance to the next step"
And here you are talking about "what's wrong with these scientists",
what about you, bud!
They are doing some actual work besides just believing stuff without even the slightest of evidence, just cuz you had been indoctrinated with one of the many, very old "holy" books when you were a child. the same books that utterly fails to explain lots of simple things and is full of logical and scientific fallacies.
You couldn't be farther from the truth, sir.
Pick any detailed book about anthropology or general history, and look at the absurdities people like you believed back then due to lack of today's evolved understanding.
Only difference would be, they were limited by the knowledge of their times, while in your case, you chose ignorance cuz of the cowardice to question.
Hey, you talk toooooo much.
During the industrial revolution the human body was described as a machine -- heart is a pump, Kidneys are filter ect. Now that we are in the tech age -- everything in body now is described as computer. FYI -- all Cancers are caused by mitochondria in cell using glucose for energy instead oxygen. The question that should be asked - if you really want to CURE CANCER is what triggers the mitochondria to do this??? Ever think about the cytoplasm of cell??? It is basically the water all of the cell organelles and proteins and other floats in ---- HOW ABOUT thinking the cytoplasm is toxic and this is what makes mitochondria disfunction. What makes the cytoplasm toxic??? Hmmm?? How about everything to do with toxic waves -- 4G, Electricity -- I remember when it was common knowledge that if you lived near power lines you had a risk of getting Cancer. Why do you think the bees are disappearing and many birds are getting sick. Michael Levin is BEING USED and his ego is getting in the way from him seeing the TRUTH>
Have to stop listening because of the sound effects
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Respectfully, you DO NOT invite a guest and then go yak, yak, yak yourself. Not live, that is. If you create a podcast and have quotes from the guest with their permission, that is different. Just my reaction. Also, most of your viewers are NOT physicians. Please don't ramble on so fast as though you're talking to residents and fellows while on rounds! :)
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