Love how Liszt was so bored of being superhuman that he decided to translate entire symphonies of another musical titan so he could play them with his instrument of choice. Absolute legend.
He also wanted to democratise serious music. He trained hundreds of pianists, many of the best would have these in their repertoire. Your average person might get to hear a Beethoven symphony a couple of times in a lifetime; but every town had access to symphony orchestras and there was lots of competition for space as many concerts were still in private palaces. The gramophone didn't appear till 2 years after Liszt's death and it was 20 years before the quality became reasonable.
i've always been a beethoven solo piano works kind of guy, orchestral stuff has never floated my boat. imagine my delight finding these liszt transcriptions of the symphonies. i've got great beethoven listening from here to christmas, finally being able to properly enjoy beethovens greatest works in a way that i can listen to over and over, without feeling 'compelled' as mandatory enjoyment of the greats. i've had 7 and 9 transcriptions on blast for the past week, definitely going to be listening to all of these nonstop.
I hear ya. I like LISTENING to orchestral works. Composing for orchestra is, for me, its own special kind of hell. I'm much happier composing piano works, choral works, chamber works, or transcribing pieces for piano. The piano transcriptions of Beethoven's symphonies bring out details in the structure which get muddied over in the orchestration. No fault to Beethoven: he was a master orchestrator, but when one person is playing as opposed to 60 or 70, one can hear structure MUCH better.
Liszt's transcription of the fourth movement ("Thunderstorm") is no ordinary summer thunderstorm. It's not even a high-precipitation supercell with six-inch diameter spiky gorilla hail, and an embedded, rain-wrapped, mile-wide wedge tornado with horizontal vortices (think: the Tuscaloosa, AL tornado on April 27, 2011). Nope: this is *worse.* This is a musical description of *The. End. Of. The. World.* If the wind doesn't catapult you off the mountain, the lightning's gonna get you.
He has to do a few things differently, especially since a modulating piano can sound very different from an orchestra changing keys. Even things that the pianist does 'exactly right' will sound wrong because the overtones of a piano will not be the same as those you hear coming from a full orchestra. Liszt and the pianist here are probably doing the best they can. I thoroughly enjoy it because it allows you to see the bare bones of the music, giving you a different perspective.
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As much as I respect Katsaris for his technique and musicality and his intimate knowledge of the original scores, I think he did Liszt a disservice when he recorded these. Because of his meddling with the text to incorporate stuff that Liszt left out. You have to remember that Katsaris was the first to record all 9 Symphonies in Liszt versions. And what the world got to hear was not what Liszt wrote but Liszt's versions with Katsaris' embelishments. You can do stuff like this if you are the third or fourth guy to record these, but if you are the pioneer in the discography and the first one to record these, it is your duty to stay faithful to what the score says, and not add anything to it.
Agreed. I find that I greatly prefer Glenn Gould's version, which is true to the original text and with much more color in the interpretation. Liszt knew what he was doing.
Incredible! Did not know this existed. Of course it will never match the orchestral version of my favorite symphony but it comes off much better than I would have expected.
One of my alltime favorite works. Im a prof pianist and composer myself but this symphony doesn’t really work for piano.. you really need the orchestra imo. Apart from that my compliments to the way you play, this is so hard. Almost unplayable
I don't know how long did it take for Liszt to transcribe this piece, but I guess writing down the notes consumed way more time than composing itself, as many great musicians are able to transcribe symphonies to piano real-time without preparation, like Kocsis did it, eg. here in ruclips.net/video/xoErMxHLNZo/видео.html
I was almost sold. That second movement though... it's a brook... not a raging river. Maybe if it was taken a tad slower? That might fix the muddiness? And the end of that movement... did he listen to how that bird call passage is played at all? No pedal needed. Overall a lot of musical choices that baffle me in this recording.
Question. Shouldn't the poster of the video credit the actual performer whose work is being "lifted" off of youtube? I get it the video may not be protected , e.g., copyright or similar. But ....Marcel Simader 21.27756 years old "sttudying Computer Science at Johannes Kepler Universitat in Linz workong as Project Staff at the Institute for Symbolic Artificial Intelligence, and the Lit AI Lab Working on Open Source Projects.
Bella trascrizione di Liszt, forse un giorno la studierò. Bravo il pianista ma si può fare anche meglio, un suono pianistico più vicino a quello dell'orchestra e alla dimensione beethoveniana.
secondo me ci si può avvicinare di più alla volontà e spirito di Beethoven, senza nulla togliere a questa complessa esecuzione di Cyprien. @@albertocanova3247
There is so much wrong with this interpretation. After almost 200 years of tradition (has the pianist ever heard a live performance or a recording of this work?), here we have not so much a lack of interpretation but unmusical decisions - crashing on downbeat cadences, rhythmic irregularities, irregularities of tempos, rushing,
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Love how Liszt was so bored of being superhuman that he decided to translate entire symphonies of another musical titan so he could play them with his instrument of choice. Absolute legend.
Ubermensch indeed
He also wanted to democratise serious music. He trained hundreds of pianists, many of the best would have these in their repertoire. Your average person might get to hear a Beethoven symphony a couple of times in a lifetime; but every town had access to symphony orchestras and there was lots of competition for space as many concerts were still in private palaces. The gramophone didn't appear till 2 years after Liszt's death and it was 20 years before the quality became reasonable.
😊
Really shows you how orchestral the piano can be .....a revelation listening to these transcripts.
Magnificent. When did Liszt ever sleep? composing, performing, teaching, transcribing.
0:00 Allegro. F major
12:26 Adante molto moto. B flat major
25:26 Allegro. F major and D major
31:06 Allegro F minor
34:49 Allegretto. F major
Thank you Pavel Bondarenko
i've always been a beethoven solo piano works kind of guy, orchestral stuff has never floated my boat. imagine my delight finding these liszt transcriptions of the symphonies. i've got great beethoven listening from here to christmas, finally being able to properly enjoy beethovens greatest works in a way that i can listen to over and over, without feeling 'compelled' as mandatory enjoyment of the greats. i've had 7 and 9 transcriptions on blast for the past week, definitely going to be listening to all of these nonstop.
I hear ya. I like LISTENING to orchestral works. Composing for orchestra is, for me, its own special kind of hell. I'm much happier composing piano works, choral works, chamber works, or transcribing pieces for piano.
The piano transcriptions of Beethoven's symphonies bring out details in the structure which get muddied over in the orchestration. No fault to Beethoven: he was a master orchestrator, but when one person is playing as opposed to 60 or 70, one can hear structure MUCH better.
Liszt's transcription of the fourth movement ("Thunderstorm") is no ordinary summer thunderstorm. It's not even a high-precipitation supercell with six-inch diameter spiky gorilla hail, and an embedded, rain-wrapped, mile-wide wedge tornado with horizontal vortices (think: the Tuscaloosa, AL tornado on April 27, 2011).
Nope: this is *worse.* This is a musical description of *The. End. Of. The. World.* If the wind doesn't catapult you off the mountain, the lightning's gonna get you.
He has to do a few things differently, especially since a modulating piano can sound very different from an orchestra changing keys. Even things that the pianist does 'exactly right' will sound wrong because the overtones of a piano will not be the same as those you hear coming from a full orchestra. Liszt and the pianist here are probably doing the best they can. I thoroughly enjoy it because it allows you to see the bare bones of the music, giving you a different perspective.
When you find this video 00:00
When you see comments mentioning pending copystrikes 31:06
When you see the comments are from 6 months ago and the video is still here 34:49
That's so corny I love it
The poster never acknowledges the pianist.. No doubt Cyprie Katsaris... or perhaps Mr Marcel IS Cyprien Katsaris in disguise.
@@danwolfe9087 It mentions it's Katsarsis in the description
As much as I respect Katsaris for his technique and musicality and his intimate knowledge of the original scores, I think he did Liszt a disservice when he recorded these. Because of his meddling with the text to incorporate stuff that Liszt left out.
You have to remember that Katsaris was the first to record all 9 Symphonies in Liszt versions. And what the world got to hear was not what Liszt wrote but Liszt's versions with Katsaris' embelishments.
You can do stuff like this if you are the third or fourth guy to record these, but if you are the pioneer in the discography and the first one to record these, it is your duty to stay faithful to what the score says, and not add anything to it.
Agreed. I find that I greatly prefer Glenn Gould's version, which is true to the original text and with much more color in the interpretation. Liszt knew what he was doing.
I had a bad day but after listening to this I feel so much better! All of my problems and distress dissipate around me ❤
The Pastoral Symphony has always been a particularly dear work of Beethoven's. And this transcription is also part of it!
이게 과연 인간이 치라고 만든 곡인가… 테크닉적으로나 음악적으로나 정말 미쳤다. 피아노로 재창조한 리스트나 이걸 친 피아니스트나 탈인간이다. 난 그저 경외감 속에 감상할 뿐…
5th movement absolutely stunning Thank you Cyprien Katsaris.
This incredible music takes you to another level.
The 'Storm' is totally awesome.
agreed
Thank you sooo much! RUclips has taken down Katsaris' Symphony 6 videos for some reason
I fear the same will happen to this video, but we'll just have to see.
@@MarcelSimader why?
This pianist is doing some different things from the score. I need to see his hands now!
Katsaris is the type of guy who looks at a piano transcription by Liszt and goes "hmm, this looks too easy, lemme add a few things".
You need 3 hands to play Liszt.
There's a vid of him playing this, look it up!
Not only that, but he also uses amazing voicing skills to make melodies WITHOUT adding notes and that's super insane
To see Katsaris’ hands is at least possible…the problem sometimes is to see his “fingers”…🏎️…
Incredible! Did not know this existed. Of course it will never match the orchestral version of my favorite symphony but it comes off much better than I would have expected.
Some wonderful effects going on here
What an amazing achievement from C. Katsaris.
Liszt se reapproprie la Pastorale de Beethoven magistralement magnifiquement restituée par C Katsaris .
BRAVO. This is a difficult piece
Esas primera notas... Emocionan el alma.
Inacreditável! Preciso voltar a estudar piano para tirar todas essas sinfonias de Beethoven!
This is miraculous piano playing
One of my alltime favorite works. Im a prof pianist and composer myself but this symphony doesn’t really work for piano.. you really need the orchestra imo.
Apart from that my compliments to the way you play, this is so hard. Almost unplayable
I don't know how long did it take for Liszt to transcribe this piece, but I guess writing down the notes consumed way more time than composing itself, as many great musicians are able to transcribe symphonies to piano real-time without preparation, like Kocsis did it, eg. here in ruclips.net/video/xoErMxHLNZo/видео.html
37:45 i love this melody...
@Felis Skalkotris Sorabjitus evet
@Felis Skalkotris Sorabjitus maalesef
I was almost sold. That second movement though... it's a brook... not a raging river. Maybe if it was taken a tad slower? That might fix the muddiness? And the end of that movement... did he listen to how that bird call passage is played at all? No pedal needed. Overall a lot of musical choices that baffle me in this recording.
Agreed. This type of thing is what make Gould's recording so appealing.
미쳤다 보통 인간이라면 손도 대지 못할것이다
Very good reduction.
Question. Shouldn't the poster of the video credit the actual performer whose work is being "lifted" off of youtube? I get it the video may not be protected , e.g., copyright or similar. But ....Marcel Simader 21.27756 years old "sttudying Computer Science at Johannes Kepler Universitat in Linz workong as Project Staff at the Institute for Symbolic Artificial Intelligence, and the Lit AI Lab Working on Open Source Projects.
What are you talking about
If la campanella is too main stream, you can flex using 31:06
Its just a tremolo, nothing groundbreaking no?
That'll only be hard if you've completely exhausted you hands.
第9を除けば、この第6交響曲が1番難しいかも。特に2と4楽章よ。
おそらく3番の方がこれより難しいとおもう
34:39
Could you kindly share or direct me to the piano score (sheet music)?
Bella trascrizione di Liszt, forse un giorno la studierò. Bravo il pianista ma si può fare anche meglio, un suono pianistico più vicino a quello dell'orchestra e alla dimensione beethoveniana.
Fare meglio di Katsaris la vedo dura ahahah
secondo me ci si può avvicinare di più alla volontà e spirito di Beethoven, senza nulla togliere a questa complessa esecuzione di Cyprien. @@albertocanova3247
Doesn't sound like it's a symphony! As if it were a long piano sonata
34:35 that does not translate to piano music well!
The whole Symphony doesn't.
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30:08
Google should rename Bard to Barf.
20:37 la campanella h
no
@@GUILLOMAre you autistic?
@@GUILLOM Please, grow up.
@@ultimateconstruction no
Nice
Go Putin!
There is so much wrong with this interpretation. After almost 200 years of tradition (has the pianist ever heard a live performance or a recording of this work?), here we have not so much a lack of interpretation but unmusical decisions - crashing on downbeat cadences, rhythmic irregularities, irregularities of tempos, rushing,
So boring ,it's just guttering...
Nein
You are guttering ... sick
In Germany we say to people like you:
Geh dich vergraben!
Music doesn't know you. You have to know music when you hear it. And if you don't, move on.. . without revealing your limitations.
I agree that this reduction is nonsense. But the original Symphony isn't, trust me.
37:54
38:55