@@pcbassoon3892 more power to her but i guess if your loved ones are truly loved i can ssee that. Im not in that position so im not sure i wanna hang out here longer than i have to cause believe me sometimes it both sucks AND blows!
Babe!! I grew up in IBLP too, I worked at HQ for a while. Love your channel. Thanks for being brave and sharing your story. ❤️ You're doing an awesome job recovering from that horrific abuse, I'm encouraged by you. I remember seeing your channel maybe a year ago before I was really deconstructed and living vicariously through your openness. Keep it up, and fuck all the people who have harmed you. You never deserved that. ❤
My parents joined the IBLP/Quiver full cult in my early teens and they are still involved but most of us kids who are young adults now stopped going to the conferences, stopped wearing the "modest" dress code and doing that sort of thing. I realized it was a cult a few years ago but my siblings don't want to talk about the subject. The truth will set you free!
My favorite cult leader red flag was Keith Raniere's audio recording where he asks Allison Mack what her thoughts were on whether or not the women should be dressed while they get branded with his initials
When I met my husband his family had gotten away from an ATI church. They are still conservative and homeschool but what started their awakening was when my sister in law rejected the pastor's son. They courted for about a month, she felt that it wasn't a good match, the dudes family responded by pressuring her, then pressuring my father in law. When that didn't work they spread lies about the whole family. My father in law came to the house and told them they weren't acting very Christian and they literally responded by having a bonfire where they "spiritually cleaned" (burned) everything that my SIL touched in their house.
The process of and escalation of delusional narcissism and psychosis in cult leaders is always fascinating, especially paired with the process of their influence over their followers/victims. I had to learn so much about both of those subjects and more to be able to help people who have escaped and transition into the “free world” and society, and as an outsider it’s pretty obvious exactly how insane most of their claims and statements/stories are, and it’s really scary that it’s even possible for anyone to have a strong enough psychological hold over people to not trigger that “what the fuck?!” Reaction much less have a strong enough hold on people to make them believe and lose themselves in those delusions and become completely dependent on them. So glad you got out!! That’s such a hard journey!
My mum was a moonie. Tried to marry me off in a group wedding when I was underage. Some would call me an atheist, but I chose the term hardline realist. I’m not against some deity, I’m just all for reality.
Enlightening. Didn’t know that.. Also the man told people to have a million kids cause they are a blessing and he didn’t have any, so he can’t possibly be that blessed with that thinking. 😅
My ex ran a cult in a way. He was a drama RUclipsr and everything had to be about him and what he did and kind of worshiping him in his chat room but it was honestly just really creepy because he had the ability to make people toxic overtime as they spent more time with him, and then it got creepy because I feel like people genuinely change their personality to what he wanted them to be and they started to believe the things he was saying. He was very terrifying to be with and I never want to be with someone like that again. You know you're in a cult when you do things against your own morals because it feels safer for you.
You talk about so many things I remember from growing up fundamental & homeschooled. I feel like I knew you even though we were in different states! I had totally blocked Elsie Dinsmore books out of my mind until I saw your short about approved reading 😂. ThOSE BOOKS YUCK
Fun fact- in Judaism it’s a common blessing or a response you tell someone on their birthday “To 120/ May you live to be 120”. But yeeeeah. It’s something you wish others and more a kind and biblically based sentiment. No one goes around claiming they’re favored by God and going to get that 120.
Who wants to live to be 120? No thanks, i'd rather be dancing with David by that point. Like, come Jesus, and bring the new earth with you, cause its a dumpster fire.
These kind of people give Christian’s a bad rap, I promise we are not all like this. People who are like this think they are doing what right, but in the Bible it literally says NOT TO BE RELIGIOUS, NOT TO GATHER IN A CULT, and NOT TO FORCE YOUR RELIGION ON OTHERS 🙄🙄
Yeah... this is the truth. i've gotta be honest, from looking at her shorts and such it definitely sounds like it was 'christian' church. I have been accepted into a church, and they most definitely do not act like this. The last thing i would call real and true Christian body is a cult
Not really. Anybody who looks at a hyper specific situation and then decides that they're going to use that as the baseline for the ENTIRETY of a group is typically short-sighted and easily biased anyway.
Living to 120 actually seems like it'd be kinda miserable lol. All the old people I know in their late 90s seem like they kinda are just done with life and not being able to enjoy what they used to love
Yeah my Great Aunt just turned 98 and said she’s been ready to go. She’s in perfect health but losing her husband, both sisters, and pretty much every friend she’s ever known is hard. We don’t think about that kind of stuff. She’s become kind of jaded to life in a way bc she just expects bad things to happen bc they will. She’s not nasty or mean or anything but she’s just real about it.
This is so common in cults. I literaly had a friend who i swear is a future cult leader because he made us believe that he could astral project and had connection with an angel that told him the future from God and all kinds if other nonsense. This is literaly cult leader behavior to ordain yourself to have higher or special divinley recieced abilities to manipulate your followers into whorshiping you. Its why i choose to always worship God over man.
I had a cult leader tell me that he had seen a vision of the world ending in earth quakes, oh he also gave me a prophecy over my life that I honestly can’t remember now. Anyway fucking wild
Yeah that Bill Gothard guy was not square with the Bible. He added his personal interpretations to their church's teachings. This is key, a HUMAN added their ways instead of sticking with God's clearly and repeated words.
My grandma lived to 106 and I would hate to live that long. Your body starts noticeably breaking down in your late 30s or early 40s. Living most of your life after that? Hard pass, please.
Living an exceptionally long life isn’t always glamorous. Depends on your mental and physical capabilities. I’d rather die at 70 with my independence and facilities intact than a drooling incoherent mess in my 90’s+
Yeah I was in Mormonism and the leaders always have these crazy promises and for the past 200 years they've been saying these are the last days. Like the last days before god comes. There's a lot of other things too
@@BK-tp6jf omg Mormon prophets every general conference (prophet's and church leaders do speeches and crap like twice a year) are like that always saying that god is gonna bring down earthquakes and stuff like that to test their faith like fr they have said some crazy stuff
I feel like a lot of cults rely on the end being near. Its a good strategy short term, but I i feel like it really falls apart after a while. I guess the Mormons are doing okay though, so it still works.
@@pcbassoon3892 yes although I know quite a few of people still steer clear of Mormonism. At least what I've learned being on the outside now. Typically new members come with children and missionaries. Missionaries are told to go to lower income areas. They prey on people's troubles
😬he probably sometimes used that bs to imply he honored and obeyed his parents. It says next to one of the 10 commandments lists that is the reward for honoring your parents.
Holy fuck i did realize this was the bill gothard cult! Oh God... Please don't tell me your parents use the how to train up a child book by the pearls 😓 I know the duggers did and they were in the same cult if I remember correctly...
No. Just no. I don’t know much about Bill Gothard but that sounds like a strong christian faith where he believes that anything is possible with God and if God wants to he will let him live to 120 years of age. It sounds like an innocent hope.
@@damienstired I agree. He's done so many horrible things. And although he isn't involved in INBL anymore they still use his teachings from what I understand.
@@yelpforhelp A lot of cults use Christianity as a nice springboard. A few use Buddhism or spiritualism. But Christianity is the most common. No one starts giving the side eye until the cult really loses their minds and doing shit. It's a great cover, makes it easy to recruit new members, and the source material is plentiful and open to interpretation.
@@yelpforhelp They call it “Christianity” but that’s just a title. As a Christian myself, I can confirm that none of the things in that cult reflect Christianity or the love of God.
@@eurodara When I was in my early teens I use to go to the ATI conferences at Big Sandy TX in the spring and one time the Duggars came out with the camera crew and everyone had sign waivers that we didn't mind being filmed because several of their daughters were teaching in kid's program during the day and all their younger siblings were attending. So, I have met the Duggar Missus and the kids only but don't know them personally.
The audacity of this man to compare himself to Moses... I don't know what you believe in or not, but as a Jew who knows a lot about Moses, I find it a bit ridiculous... Now please don't @ me. You do you, so let me do me.
I swear y'all make up scientific facts about the Bible without even reading it. Moses wasn't even alive before or during the flood, so how would the atmosphere change you theorize about affect him? The bible says in Deuteronomy 34:7, "And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated."
@@BK-tp6jf so their gods/god is going to send them to hell for not capitalizing their name??? Lmfao ok, then they aren’t exactly all loving if they throw a tantrum up in the heavens or whatever if you don’t make sure the first letter of their name is a capital letter
The G in G-d is capitalized to show respect for the creator of the universe and G-d doesn’t send people to h-ll for not capatalizing it, but it’s just the respectfull thing to do
And for more on the cult I grew up in: ruclips.net/video/pgsqIZaSQsA/видео.html
Can you repost the link? Sometimes it needs a space after the url before it’ll work(?)
1 red flag is a cult leader
Bruh exactly!!
Fr
i'm working on the whole list
R u married?
@@ThatLizHunter there's no list...there's only one word...CULT...end of list. End of red flags 🙄
I want to be 103 so I can tell some kid in 2100 that I was born in the 1900s. Then I'll drop dead in front of them, having fulfilled my mission.
LMFAO. I love this. As someone born in 99 Im right there with you >:D
Ill give u my extra years i wanna die anyways
@@suzyq53511 Deal, meet me behind an Ohio Walmart
My Grandmother's sister, Aunt Marie was born in 1898. She died in 2000 when I was 38 years old. She was the best Aunt ever!
Same!!! 102 for me 😅
1 he would be falling apart at 120 in a wheelchair with diapers
2 who the funk wants to live to 120 in this place!
very valid points
😂😂
People who fear religious hell? because yeah he’s probably aware he’s not a good enough person to go to heaven
My grandmother always said "Who wants to live to be 100?!" But now she is 94 so she is relaxing her views about that. Lol
@@pcbassoon3892 more power to her but i guess if your loved ones are truly loved i can ssee that. Im not in that position so im not sure i wanna hang out here longer than i have to cause believe me sometimes it both sucks AND blows!
That’s kinda sacrilegious to compare yourself to Moses ngl
No. Not really. Moses was a man. Just a man. Now if you compare yourself to Jesus or God himself, then yes, that is sacrilege and heresy.
I mean its no diff than comparing yourself to any other character mythology....zuess, Hercules, Gilgamesh, ect
You know it's a really bad situation when you have so many red flags to chose from you have favorites 😂
Babe!! I grew up in IBLP too, I worked at HQ for a while. Love your channel. Thanks for being brave and sharing your story. ❤️ You're doing an awesome job recovering from that horrific abuse, I'm encouraged by you. I remember seeing your channel maybe a year ago before I was really deconstructed and living vicariously through your openness. Keep it up, and fuck all the people who have harmed you. You never deserved that. ❤
Me too. Although my parents picked what they wanted to enforce according to their abusive goals.
My parents joined the IBLP/Quiver full cult in my early teens and they are still involved but most of us kids who are young adults now stopped going to the conferences, stopped wearing the "modest" dress code and doing that sort of thing. I realized it was a cult a few years ago but my siblings don't want to talk about the subject.
The truth will set you free!
What is this cult?
My favorite cult leader red flag was Keith Raniere's audio recording where he asks Allison Mack what her thoughts were on whether or not the women should be dressed while they get branded with his initials
When I met my husband his family had gotten away from an ATI church. They are still conservative and homeschool but what started their awakening was when my sister in law rejected the pastor's son. They courted for about a month, she felt that it wasn't a good match, the dudes family responded by pressuring her, then pressuring my father in law. When that didn't work they spread lies about the whole family. My father in law came to the house and told them they weren't acting very Christian and they literally responded by having a bonfire where they "spiritually cleaned" (burned) everything that my SIL touched in their house.
The process of and escalation of delusional narcissism and psychosis in cult leaders is always fascinating, especially paired with the process of their influence over their followers/victims. I had to learn so much about both of those subjects and more to be able to help people who have escaped and transition into the “free world” and society, and as an outsider it’s pretty obvious exactly how insane most of their claims and statements/stories are, and it’s really scary that it’s even possible for anyone to have a strong enough psychological hold over people to not trigger that “what the fuck?!” Reaction much less have a strong enough hold on people to make them believe and lose themselves in those delusions and become completely dependent on them.
So glad you got out!! That’s such a hard journey!
My mum was a moonie. Tried to marry me off in a group wedding when I was underage.
Some would call me an atheist, but I chose the term hardline realist. I’m not against some deity, I’m just all for reality.
“one of my favourite red flags” those are some words I never thought I’d hear together ahaha
Enlightening. Didn’t know that.. Also the man told people to have a million kids cause they are a blessing and he didn’t have any, so he can’t possibly be that blessed with that thinking. 😅
My ex ran a cult in a way. He was a drama RUclipsr and everything had to be about him and what he did and kind of worshiping him in his chat room but it was honestly just really creepy because he had the ability to make people toxic overtime as they spent more time with him, and then it got creepy because I feel like people genuinely change their personality to what he wanted them to be and they started to believe the things he was saying.
He was very terrifying to be with and I never want to be with someone like that again. You know you're in a cult when you do things against your own morals because it feels safer for you.
You talk about so many things I remember from growing up fundamental & homeschooled. I feel like I knew you even though we were in different states! I had totally blocked Elsie Dinsmore books out of my mind until I saw your short about approved reading 😂. ThOSE BOOKS YUCK
I totally understand your mind on this one. It’s very presumptuous and prideful for a man to speak this way, but it is disguised as “faith” talk.
Fun fact- in Judaism it’s a common blessing or a response you tell someone on their birthday “To 120/ May you live to be 120”. But yeeeeah. It’s something you wish others and more a kind and biblically based sentiment. No one goes around claiming they’re favored by God and going to get that 120.
Who wants to live to be 120? No thanks, i'd rather be dancing with David by that point. Like, come Jesus, and bring the new earth with you, cause its a dumpster fire.
"Red flags about a cult leader."
1, be in a cult
2, be the leader of that cult
These kind of people give Christian’s a bad rap, I promise we are not all like this. People who are like this think they are doing what right, but in the Bible it literally says NOT TO BE RELIGIOUS, NOT TO GATHER IN A CULT, and NOT TO FORCE YOUR RELIGION ON OTHERS 🙄🙄
amen I agree 🙌🏻
Amen 🙏 I feel awful for the people who suffered because of others from my religion.
Yeah... this is the truth. i've gotta be honest, from looking at her shorts and such it definitely sounds like it was 'christian' church. I have been accepted into a church, and they most definitely do not act like this. The last thing i would call real and true Christian body is a cult
Not really. Anybody who looks at a hyper specific situation and then decides that they're going to use that as the baseline for the ENTIRETY of a group is typically short-sighted and easily biased anyway.
Exactly!
What boggles my mind is how this horrible man taught parents how to ‘discipline’ children when he was not a husband and father himself 😮
Living to 120 actually seems like it'd be kinda miserable lol. All the old people I know in their late 90s seem like they kinda are just done with life and not being able to enjoy what they used to love
Yeah my Great Aunt just turned 98 and said she’s been ready to go. She’s in perfect health but losing her husband, both sisters, and pretty much every friend she’s ever known is hard. We don’t think about that kind of stuff. She’s become kind of jaded to life in a way bc she just expects bad things to happen bc they will. She’s not nasty or mean or anything but she’s just real about it.
In my cult people legitimately WISH others life until 120. 😂
I think the red flag is that god wouldn’t even let him make it to 95 lol
I don't even wanna live till my forties let alone 120😅
Oh you were in THAT cult. That sucks!
The mankind age on earth is 120 years. I want to live that long.
Genesis 6:3
This is so common in cults. I literaly had a friend who i swear is a future cult leader because he made us believe that he could astral project and had connection with an angel that told him the future from God and all kinds if other nonsense. This is literaly cult leader behavior to ordain yourself to have higher or special divinley recieced abilities to manipulate your followers into whorshiping you.
Its why i choose to always worship God over man.
Red flag in a cult leader...eh the fact thwyre a flipping cult leader😂
I had a cult leader tell me that he had seen a vision of the world ending in earth quakes, oh he also gave me a prophecy over my life that I honestly can’t remember now. Anyway fucking wild
It’s giving ✨Pharisees✨
Yeah that Bill Gothard guy was not square with the Bible. He added his personal interpretations to their church's teachings. This is key, a HUMAN added their ways instead of sticking with God's clearly and repeated words.
My grandma lived to 106 and I would hate to live that long. Your body starts noticeably breaking down in your late 30s or early 40s. Living most of your life after that? Hard pass, please.
My mom said that she wants to live to 107 or older and she thinks she is going to bc “ she is very healthy “ for her age…
My VERY Christ loving great grandmother lived to 100, Gothard could NEVER.
Living an exceptionally long life isn’t always glamorous. Depends on your mental and physical capabilities. I’d rather die at 70 with my independence and facilities intact than a drooling incoherent mess in my 90’s+
my grandmother talks like this but about herself
Yeah I was in Mormonism and the leaders always have these crazy promises and for the past 200 years they've been saying these are the last days. Like the last days before god comes. There's a lot of other things too
@@BK-tp6jf omg Mormon prophets every general conference (prophet's and church leaders do speeches and crap like twice a year) are like that always saying that god is gonna bring down earthquakes and stuff like that to test their faith like fr they have said some crazy stuff
I feel like a lot of cults rely on the end being near. Its a good strategy short term, but I i feel like it really falls apart after a while. I guess the Mormons are doing okay though, so it still works.
@@pcbassoon3892 yes although I know quite a few of people still steer clear of Mormonism. At least what I've learned being on the outside now. Typically new members come with children and missionaries. Missionaries are told to go to lower income areas. They prey on people's troubles
😬he probably sometimes used that bs to imply he honored and obeyed his parents. It says next to one of the 10 commandments lists that is the reward for honoring your parents.
In this world? You want to live up to 120 y/o? Everyone says we're in the end times and he wants to live till 120? Bruh
Good really likes to grant things in round multiple of 4 in the Old Testament.
And that he was never married or ever had kids!
I don’t get people like bill gothard, why the hell do you care about young people being religious so much?!
money and power
Bill Gothard had a staff girl type that he'd ask to come work at HQ and any young lady would jump at the chance.
Guess God said "LOL NO!"
And yet the age he was when he died....🎉
Actually... Allot of people believe they are going to live to 120 nowadays.
My life expectancy is late 80s/90s if I don't partake in carcinogens. I just have those kinds of genetics
You know he's gonna die in the next 10 years. Then IBLP will get a new leader as bad as he was
Holy fuck i did realize this was the bill gothard cult! Oh God... Please don't tell me your parents use the how to train up a child book by the pearls 😓 I know the duggers did and they were in the same cult if I remember correctly...
I guarantee a person that specializes in mental illness could give you a laundry list of that persons issues
that's crazy 😂😂🙄
But like did he die? Or are we still waiting to find out?
Who wants to live to be 120?
Oh my gosh I'd be begging for death
Do you mean the pastor?
Just to be fair the oldest documented person in real life is about 117 years old
actually Jeanette Calament lived to 122!
Well did he?
one other red flag is that they are a cult leader in the first place
Please tell me he’s dead 😂
I thought you where going to say he died at 60
everyone wants to live forever but nobody wants to live forever in this fucked up society
No one has special place with god god loves everyone equally…
Well, did he make it?😅
Am going to live forever because I believe in God that the problem with you you don't believe in anything
Did he make it tho 😂
31 more years to go 😅
No.
Just no.
I don’t know much about Bill Gothard but that sounds like a strong christian faith where he believes that anything is possible with God and if God wants to he will let him live to 120 years of age.
It sounds like an innocent hope.
I just watched shiny happy people the documentary about this cult it's fing cazy
is he dead
No he's alive still.
@@Owlet101 that’s unfortunate
@@damienstired I agree. He's done so many horrible things. And although he isn't involved in INBL anymore they still use his teachings from what I understand.
Only narcs beliefs those things
sorry if this is too intrusive but, are you still a christian?
I’m pretty sure she isn’t
wait is this cult just christianity or is it something else? just confused
@@yelpforhelp it was a Christian based cult I think it was the same one the Duggers were in
@@yelpforhelp A lot of cults use Christianity as a nice springboard. A few use Buddhism or spiritualism. But Christianity is the most common. No one starts giving the side eye until the cult really loses their minds and doing shit. It's a great cover, makes it easy to recruit new members, and the source material is plentiful and open to interpretation.
@@yelpforhelp They call it “Christianity” but that’s just a title. As a Christian myself, I can confirm that none of the things in that cult reflect Christianity or the love of God.
not the IBLP the Duggars are from
What do you mean?🤔
@@Apethsupercharged do you know the Duggar family?
@@eurodara When I was in my early teens I use to go to the ATI conferences at Big Sandy TX in the spring and one time the Duggars came out with the camera crew and everyone had sign waivers that we didn't mind being filmed because several of their daughters were teaching in kid's program during the day and all their younger siblings were attending. So, I have met the Duggar Missus and the kids only but don't know them personally.
@@Apethsupercharged ok but you are aware of their existence
When he die
He dead.
The audacity of this man to compare himself to Moses... I don't know what you believe in or not, but as a Jew who knows a lot about Moses, I find it a bit ridiculous...
Now please don't @ me. You do you, so let me do me.
Moses was much older than 120 when he died but the atmosphere changed after the flood
I swear y'all make up scientific facts about the Bible without even reading it. Moses wasn't even alive before or during the flood, so how would the atmosphere change you theorize about affect him?
The bible says in Deuteronomy 34:7, "And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated."
He wasn't even around for the flood
The G in God is capitalized.
I don’t really think she cares, nor does it really matter
@@BK-tp6jf so their gods/god is going to send them to hell for not capitalizing their name??? Lmfao ok, then they aren’t exactly all loving if they throw a tantrum up in the heavens or whatever if you don’t make sure the first letter of their name is a capital letter
The G in G-d is capitalized to show respect for the creator of the universe and G-d doesn’t send people to h-ll for not capatalizing it, but it’s just the respectfull thing to do
Moses lived 900+ years in the old testament
You're mixing up Methuselah and Moses
Enoch never died he was brought to heaven.
what does that have to do with Moses
@@benpatton8720 what does Enoch have to do with moses
@@benpatton8720 Well so was Mary, according to the Catholics. I'm not Catholic, so I'm just repeating what I saw on Colbert.