Single-lane underground tunnel with eco-friendly, autonomus, self driving pods would've worked as well. If Hungary only had some kind of navigable water way running through the region... a river or something that ships could use... if only...
@@omimahnjen3997 then someone would have to invent a floating device of sorts that could carry people and cargo. Hyperboat, hypership, oh I don't know... it'd never work.
@Peter Kurten I dunno. It is written in german. I doubt many people from syria etc. speak german. And it seems also doubtful that orban speaks good enough german to know that.
@Peter Kurten Orban doesn't need to do that, there are a lot of paid anti Orban/and state provocators also here, who organized that. Since they lost the elections they want to "hang" Orban, and these thousands - many of them were members of the communist militia or the state communist party - and some of them now own a huge privatized fortune stolen at the end of communism - say it every day on social media.
If I had written something as on-the-nose as that train engine illustration gag in my screenwriting class, my professor would have failed me. I swear reality has the laziest writers.
It's not even just the train thing, bussing migrants away farther into Europe while cops do combat with far right rioters is just such a beautiful way to show the hypocrisy of it all.
@@seiban8455 Another funny thing is that every security bureau on the continent considers the far right a rising threat that will soon rival islamic terrorism, but conservatives are in complete denial, crying about antifa
Well that's our impression somehow of the British tourists in Budapest, sadly. Other nationalities too, but word of mouth says British are the worst, here at least. Dunno about other countries, maybe only we got the worst kind of ppl here, stag parties and all
@@khuszar6778 I assume the reason is to paint Orban in the worst way possible - when in fact the migrants were incentivized to leave the refugee camp they resided in due to the EU cutting food rations and Angela Merkel basically inviting them in a television appearance to come to Germany. If you don't believe, please do your own research. It's always a good idea to be skeptical about what someone tells you on the internet. This is also true for this video which works with lies of omission.
@@TheMorgenTee So, my understanding was that the topic of the video was to debunk that twitter claim that Orban was the only government leader who prevented migrants from entering western Europe. I think he did a pretty good job of debunking that claim and, in fact, demonstrated that Orban actually exacerbated the migrant crisis in Western Europe. I don't see how the "reason the migrants were fleeing Eastern Europe in the first place" is relevant to this topic at all. I'm not saying that it doesn't matter period, but I am saying that it's not relevant for this video... There was obviously a lot more to the 2015 migrant crisis than the actions of the Hungarian government, but this video is primarily focused on the actions of the Hungarian government. The fact that specific other events related to the 2015 migrant crisis aren't included in the video isn't "lying by omission".
Imagine being a random Pakistani person walking on the street and then tens of buses come and pick you up for no reason and then you are in Austria all of the sudden.
oh it was strange for me alright. I was in Berlin at the time and I had lived in Berlin already before the "refugee crisis". Walking down the street was full of surprises, I either got special treatments in shops and stores by pro immigration people or screamed at by anti immigration people. Weird af (mind you, both my parents were full time doctors for the International Red Cross, earning far more than the average income for Germany, I was brown but I had perfect German and was already well established in Germany)
Adam Something: "The Hungarian spokesman is lying to you. They did nothing to stop the migrants from flooding western Europe." Also Adam: "They are bad because they stopped the migrants"
you go to every corner shop in a city, on a daily basis, for several weeks, using several people to do so. I haven't ever bought 200 thousand sim cards, but I presume, that might be one way to go about doing so.
I remember watching the migrant walk live, it was one of the most incredible events in recent Hungarian history. Sometimes I think they were smarter than us, it only took them a few weeks under Orbán's rule to have enough of it and just collectively get up and walk to Austria. We locals still haven't mass-evacuated the country after 12 years.
I remember this moment perfectly, I was an exchange student in Austria for a year, and I literally arrived the same exact day the refugees started walking to Vienna. I went to the westbahnhof (which was the main train station before the hauptbahnhof opened) on 05/09/15 to go to my host family and it was simply astonishing to see the ammount of refugees there, most of them with big signs thanking the austrian goverment for letting them in, boy what a time to be alive it was.
Not gonna lie, that Paneuropean Picnic locomotive was a spectacularly inspiring sight. European history at its finest. You know, at least until _nothing happened._
@@Filip-dg6uk Yes, with the ultra trustworthy right wing media outlets, who absolutely don’t get caught lying, over and over and over and over and over and over and over. The second you show that you think that your opposition is somehow fundamental more stupid then you, that’s the second that everyone knows you drank the kool-aid.
@@Filip-dg6uk the right pushes for intervention and government overthrow in middle east, middle east destabilizes and migrants flee middle east. Leftist sees problem and wants to integrate migrants created by western nations actions, the right drowns migrants and sends them back to mess they caused.
@@Filip-dg6uk the right then justify their actions by trying to blame the migrants for their situation, and lie to their followers about why the middle east is a wreck. Please get your right wing ideological leaders out your mouth, and actually look into the situation.
@@Filip-dg6uk damn anti semitism just damn, you know immigrants and migrants can help the European economy right. The dropping population rates can be solved by more immigrants.
@@Filip-dg6uk and I agree all people living in Europe should have the right to live thier and all people living in Africa should have the right to live their. No matter the skin color, race, or religion.
Excellent video. I was living in Budapest when all this was going down, and actually took part in trying to help the refugees stuck at Keleti at the time by volunteering there. Even so, I have I never seen such a comprehensive summary of the situation, with so many of the gaps filled. Everyone should see this video. Új kedvenc csatornám vagy, Ádám!
It's amazing to get this kind of news about hungary in comprihensible english (no offence, but magyars I've met usually sucked at english), thank you for that! Greetings from Csehország!
@@mullergyula4174 I think your opinion is the truly biased one. Are you a supporter of Orban, I'm mean, did you vote for Fidesz? Is your ego entangle with them, so their shame is also yours in your mind? Be honest.
@@danciagar I did not vote last time, next time if I vote I will vote for Fidesz. As most people I try to vote for the least bad. Here are some important migration rules that Hungary has to follow as an EU border state: Migrants need to be registered where they enter the EU. They can also be sent back to the country where they entered the EU. Hungary has to enforce these rules. Migrants did not want to register in Hungary, they wanted to get to richer countries like Germany. There is a conflict of rules and interests. Hungary had no interest in supporting migration through its territory. We built a fence which we are entitled to do and later on Austria built one, too. Building a fence has worked migrants avoided Hungary.
As a graduate political science and international relations student, I find your channel seriously amusing, especially when you're covering political topics such as this. I had no idea that those posters were only written in Hungarian. The fact that this have worked as intended is so fucking stupid it's hilarious!
Orban protected "EASTERN" Europe from migrants. Since he closed borders, the migrants avoided slovakia poland and czechia, and went straight to germany through austria.
That isn't bad at all. Germany has the economy to support those migrants, those countries are smaller and don't have the same living standards as in Germany.
True. Im Hungarian living in Slovakia and the only time i met migrants was when i was visiting Budapest. It was not this bad at that time, but i remember seeing 2 young girls on the subway totally scared. when they wanted to get off the police were at the door so they ran to a different one, got off and ran up the escalator. It was really sad to see
Just because you disagree with it does not mean they are shitty. The Hungarian government did everything in there power to stop them. They could have burnt the city to the fucking ground of they didn’t comply. They police were busy protecting the immigrants from the football protestors. Also all of the Immigrints there in the first place came illegally.
@@schutzanzug4518 I don’t understand your reply. _„Just because you disagree with it does not mean they are shitty [rest about migrants]”_ who may or may not be shitty? Gov’t or migrants? _„Hungarian goverment did everything in their power to stop them. They could have burnt the city to the f*****g ground of they didn’t comply. They police were busy protecting immigrants from the football protestors. Also all of the Immigrints in the first place came illegally.”_ I don’t feel like responding to each of your points from this, lets say, „rant”... But how does any of this relate to my comment??? I just made a joke from the „🇵🇱❤️🇭🇺” type comments and the fact that both countries have right leaning semi-authoritharian goverments, which ruin their economies, ect. You responded as if I made a longer statement about the migrants or something. Are you a bot or a troll by any chance?
As a Hungarian conservative, I started watching this video with a little doubt. Not because I am brainwashed, or rural, or elderly (I am in my 20s and live in the capital. At the time of the crisis I lived in a block just beside Keleti, so I had a premiere-plain view of this whole mess) The reason of my doubt is that some people tend to edge out things, only highlighting certain details, that support their point of view (fyi the gov' in our home does just this) But the video turned out to be decent. Again, I am a conservative, but that doesn't mean that I am a far righter. Adam got almost everything right, and made a fairly objective point of sth, that is subjected to very intense political debate in my country, up to this day. However, there is a thing missing, that I think is very important: Registration. You see, in the EU's quota system, it works as follows: If let us say, an afghani family enters the EU AND gets registered in Croatia, then, if the western countries decide, that for some reason they don't have a place for said afghani family in their country, they get sent back to the place, where they entered the EU and got registered, in this case, Croatia, so it becomes Croatia's responsibility, to take care of them. And the ruling party in my home knew of this. So they transferred everybody, on tax payer's money, without registration to Austria, to let it be their problem. Now, I know what you are thinking: That its spineless cowardice, or worse. And I agree with you. Hungarians are a very polarised nation. And most of them are still beholden to populism, a thing which not only fidesz, but every other pp in Hungary take advantage of. This is, sadly our way of things since the Fall of the Iron Curtain (and even before that, but thats another story.) Populists trying to beat populists, with no real public servants in our political life, and the ppl stuck between a rock and a hard place. You either vote the alleged "commies" (who, for the historical account do have some connetions to the old day's regime.), or you vote the populists, alleged "nationalists". These are you options in Hungary, and if someone tries to rise up, and make a difference, the current ruling popus usually make short work of him/her, mostly financially.
I noticed the same with the political situation in Hungary (I'm a Dutch guy married to a Hungarian woman). The whole political system is rotten to the core, it's like having to chose between frying a baby or boiling a baby, there is no single good option.
I would say im center to right wing, and things like these are hapenning in Czechia aswell. Our prime minister was a business magnate and known bad guy at best, mafian at worst. He and his party have record number of corruption affairs and still 30% of people here vote him, its same as with Hungary, old school thinking populist admiring boomers and seniors. His electorate consists mostly of these 2 entities, so he sent every senior pensioner 250USD through post to get some votes in upcoming parliamental elections. His book he made is such a bizzare, you can read first pages and tell whats the targeted groups age. Its okay tho, prices are increasing here, thanks to our prime minister and his party, so populist boomers are for sure happy. Unlucky that communist time seniors and alcoholic boomers dont know shit about inflation and devaluing of money through stealing from EU grants and whatnot. I feel like were doomed. Fucken shithole.
everyone who is sane sees islam for what it realy is, a wicked and sick ideology. Letting that ideology spread in ur nation will lead only to problems. Hungarians doing everything to prevent it is not a bad thing.
As an australian, this story of cynical manipulation of optics of a humanitarian crisis by an ultra-conservative government in order to pander to a racist voter group is depressingly familiar.
The connection between far right hungarian militias and Abdeslam is very reminiscent of what happened with the Charlie Hebdo attacks where the weapons were provided to the Kouachi brothers by Claude Hernant, a former military that became a prominent figure of far right circles in the north of france and was making money by "reactivating" demilitarized weapons bought somewhere in eastern Europe. This guy was also an informant for the french intelligence services ...
I am sure you like it if it matches your political views, it is very biased. Orban did use the migration crisis for political goals, but it does not mean there was no crisis. Even Angela Merkel had to back off from her Willkommenskultur. Most Germans are not so welcoming as you might think.
btw Muller is referring to the fact that Merkel didn't poll the population about whether or not to help people in need or not lmao turned out after that most Germans would've said no :(
@@geemcspankinson In the same style I can ask where did I say that he said there was no crisis. The whole video suggests that Orbán is creating the problem, it forgets to mention Hungary's duties or any detail on migration rules. This is a more complex topic then the video shows.
@@mullergyula4174 He flooded the west with refugees, because he created a crisis by not letting them get out in the first place. Don't care what the EU aka germany-france axis of evil says, I already read your other comment.
The anti-migrant posters in Hungarian may seem absurd, but really they're just illustrative of how anti-immigration politics functions in much of the world. The people who are most hostile to immigration aren't generally the people who are most effected by it- they're typically in places with very low actual levels of immigration like rural areas and small towns and a large proportion are retired (and thus not competing with immigrants in the job market). Most of their fear and resentment is due to portrayals of the issue in the media. Because it is the public perception of immigration that is the problem, and not immigration itself, populist politicians ahve realised that symbolic gestures become much more important than policies for effectively managing migration, even if those gestures are absurd or counter-productive- e.g. posters in a language migrants can't understand, border walls or leaving the EU.
"If you were on that side of the road and you were brown, the Hungarian government took you to Western Europe for free." i fkn can't the delivery on this 15:45
The Migrant Crisis taught Europe a very good lesson though. After the crisis in 2015 you can notice Europe and the West in general disengaging from the Middle East. I think it FINALLY clicked for the first time that if America and American led coalitions keep bombing and destroying Middle Eastern nations none stop then of course thousands of people will migrate out of the region and go to Europe. This is in part why you can notice a ton of conservative politicians who were preaching disengagement rose in Europe. It is also why you see more and more European nations saying NO to America's interventions and requests for back up / new coalitions and this has pushed America itself to FINALLY disengage from the region. A slow lesson that has been learned. Now Middle Eastern nations can slowly (and I mean VERY slowly) rebuild and hopefully have more stability which will discourage massive migration like that from ever happening again.
@@SK-tr1wo no you were not. you were busy destroying it and robbing it's natural resources as well as funding tyrants all across the nation to destabalize it even further. Your men died in vein and for no reason at all. I'm from the West as well but my country did not participate in that crime and mess of an invasion. Nor did it participate in the Iraq tragedy or Syria and Libya. Thank God. You have blood on your hands with your tax money killing kids. The day you face God in judgement day will be ugly for you.
@@SK-tr1wo what a joke. Look at the Afghanistan Papers released last year or something. It clearly show the top brass of US military had no f*cking idea what to do after the "end" of the war in Afghanistan. They knew they were burning an obscene amount of money and servicemen lives for a lost cause. Also there is not a single thing left from the American intervention in Afghanistan that is in good shape (being it infrastructure, governance, etc). The American idea of "nation-building" is a failure.
@@planettrax9754 America was never nation-building, and it never intended to. It only tried to stabilize the Afghan government by taking out terrorist forces, all while trying to train the Afghan military. It wasn’t enough, and we failed.
I'm so glad I've found this channel. I was thinking about starting something similar since the representation of Hungary was so one-sided in the news lately. It was time for an insider to speak up. Szóval köszi a munkád! :) I forgot a lot of details about this whole crisis, it was nice to see it in such an organised, well-worded fashion.
well he started in calling Orban modern terms of warfare language so he not poisoned the well, but killed the pouch in convincing his opposition by facts used later on
It's interesting to see all this from a different perspective. I actually know the most things you were talking about because I'm from Germany and we saw this whole disaster unfolding in front of us but you did a very good job in connecting the points.🤔👍 Your video shows very well how far some right-wing politicians would/will go to increase their power and that human lives absolutely do not mean anything to them. These people are just hard core criminals with a political Agenda.
Damn, after hearing this, I realise I should have asked my classmate who was a immigrant in 2015 what his experience was. Never asked him that cause I didnt know if he wanted to talk about it cause he could have gone through some fucked up shit, I assumed back at the time. He would probably have told me if I had just asked. He was a great guy and one of the only person in that year and that class I actually liked and got along with. Im still amazed how he was/is able to speak German really well at that time and despite the original language barrier made it to the "Oberstufe" (unfortunately theres no good way to translate words from a different education system to a different language). Amazing guy.
@@fighterpilot9981 the far right politics are the one responsible for all of this mess( bombing the Middle East to oblivion, Racism, and victor orban literally allowing the refugees to just leave the country with no order) Hmmmmm?
@@mindblower8774 “far-right” is a catch-all meme phrase to conjure up evil in the minds of you and your ilk. It refers to attitudes held around the world, but only reviled when white people hold them as well. Further, Hungary has absolutely nothing to do with the Middle East, and conflicts between different groups in the area is a much, much greater cause than western interventions, without question.
@@fighterpilot9981 i am pretty sure you dont mind these football hooligans and i am sure that you only hate seeing Brown people in this video. i get it if someone wants to keep their nationality but if their far-right then they dont care who you are if you dont look white or blonde like them they hate you, far-right in a nutshell
as a neighbor (I live in vienna) and I remember this, but I was not aware of this in detail, we knew Orban treated the refugees really badly but the extent didn't even come over the border, Keep up the good work, Adam
This channel is so underrated. As a Slovak, I know that Orban is a corrupt politician, but I've had no idea how much until now. Thanks for making this type of content, please keep it up.
@Enieme Compte It's simple really, Poland and Hungary are governed by populists that will do and say everything to stay in power, even if it contradicts their past actions, so nothing makes sense and it's all just a political game to keep a very high-paid job. Btw, Poland and Hungary are in Central Europe.
He is looting the country and every possible index of living is collapsing (healthcare, median income, graduation rate/brain drain). Orban is turning Hungary into his mafia playground
I remember around this time, many immigrant were forced to stay/live in the eastern railway station in Budapest. They were forced to stay there and live on nearby streets like homeless people, in horrible conditions for weeks witth little but no help at all. I passed day by day there, and I saw families with little childs in misery, living off the street, without any prospect. They were forced into this inhumane situation deliberately, to push them trought the breaking point. After weeks and weeks of suffering obviously some atrocity happened, then the media/goverment got the casus belly to transfer every immigrant to immigration-camps, then drop out every one of them from the country.
No one FORCED them to do anything. They went to a country, entered illegally, then got stuck because they could not enter the next country illegally so easily. They and the people who encouraged them to do so were 100% responsible for their situation.
Hi Adam, I am huge fan of your content, I think everything you put out is extremely well researched and well explained. What shocks me most about your videos is your level of English. You are so articulate and clearly have a near-native level grasp of the language (although you retain an accent from your native language, this doesn't detract at all from your ability and actually gives you that "european charm"). I'd love to know what your method was of learning English and expanding your vocab. Have you been learning since you were a child? Whatever your methods are I would like to apply them to learning other languages.
Damn! I thought my country has the scum of politicians (Romania btw..) but this Orban guy is really something special. The move with the billboards was epic 😁 Excellent vids, man! Keep it up!
Naaaah Romania is going upwards, trying to eradicate corruption (as far as I can see) while Hungary is going backwards, in this sense. All our neighbours have already or will surpass our GDP/capita pretty soon, even though we were ahead of them just 2 or so decades ago. Btw, I love your mountains.
I love my sweet neighbours to the north, they are as silly as us, I'm not the biggest fan of them (jk, my favourite tourist plates to see in the summer), but sometimes I do think about what if we were in a union again, why break it up after being together for 800 years, the levels of absolute retardation we could reach together would be amazing.
In my opinion we should just turn Europe into one, big country and be fucking done with it man. Imagine how much better all of our lives would be if we collectively worked together as one people.
@@ep6600 lmao what? It'd be less bureaucracy if the entirety of Europe had a single government, because there'd be only one of everything. Your statement makes no sense... it would work and it will happen, its pretty much inevitable
@@ep6600 To be honest the HRE only became a clusterfuck after a few centuries, did survive afterwards for a few centuries more until it died, only to spawn one of the most powerful european nation afterwards.
By handling you mean lining them up against a wall & opening fire? Because that's what happened to a good many of them, reading about incidents of mass graves.
First of all i have to say i love your content, i binged watched most of your videos on my weekend. And as a syrian refugee that was at that fucking train station for 3 days that everything you said is absolutely correct. And i have hundreds of pictures documenting my journey from Lebanon to Germany where im a citizen now. And i can only add that even after hungry supposedly closed down the border at the end of September , you could easily bribe any border guard for about 300 euros and another 100 euros if you want him to call you a taxi to take you directly to Germany (thats another 1000 euros per person). Any one who had money was easily able to reach western europ , only the poor and the people that needed the moat help could not and had to wait months or even years for the resettlement into sweeden or Germany.
I feel so bad for Syrians in Lebanon (especially alawites who get beat up by phalange for being assumed to be Assad supporters). I wish we could do more for you guys, Palestinians, etc. Especially considering how Syriaand history of helping Lebanese, Palestinians, and Armenians out.
"If you were on the side of that road and you were brown, the hungarian government took you to western europe FOR FREE" 😭😭😭😂😂🤣. "You! Brownie! What are you waiting for? You going to austria right? Lets go!"
Why am I not surprised Tucker Carlson holds Orban up as some kind of good guy even though he let terrorists pass through his country and gave them a free ride. Fascists think alike I suppose.
Could you please do a video explaining hungarian politics and parties? I am a hungarian but finding unbiased, data driven information is virtually impossible. Thx
I remember reading and watching a lot of news of what was going on back in 2015, but I never really knew what was really happening until I watched this video.
You are my only source of well researched but still entertainingly presented Hungarian news. I only found similar channel for US issues and I also think the language barrier keeps away the worst types of political trolls from here. I'm glad that I found you, keep up the good work!
I worked at Auchan Budaörs as a foreigner (I'm French) from August 2015 to July 2016. Migrants were parked in front of the train station in Budapest since months. At the beginning of September, they decided (or were pushed to do it) walk from Budapest downtown. I saw them from my office walking on the highway at Budaörs between Budapest and Vienna. The government, probably excited about what happened, decided rapidly to mobilize a lot of buses to conduct migrants at the Austrian border. Problem solved for Hungary so but not for Europe. After that they began to build a wall with their Serbian and Croatian border, I remember going to Belgrad and see all those migrants stuck at the door of the EU for months. The military checked every train wagon from Zagreb to Budapest for migrants.
@@TheJirkal fidesz, jobbik and Mi hazánk. Are far right. Marky-Zay's new party is right (neo-liberal) all the rest are called socialist and acts more capitalist than the right. What we need is a true socialist party tbh
I'm Hungarian and I consider myself right-wing (moderate) but I absolutely abhor Orbán and Fidesz because they've never walked the talk. Thank you for reassuring my inuitions and backing them up with unchallengable facts.
@@slickrick2420 the opposition is fractured thus puts up no fight with the ruling party. Obviously they flow some money into sectors that make up their voting base also.
@@makuru.42 It's Poland. Their government's been doing own fair share of far right shenanigans and they, together with Hungary, can now veto any EU action for each other.
>Sadly EU is slow to act but I trust it will no it most likely won't lol. I imagine Germany is actually quite happy with Orbán's presidency because German automobile companies can find cheap labor in Hungary.
Man, the pan-european picnic train arriving in Budapest station is such a beautiful moment. The incompetence of railway planners really brings about the List der Vernunft, Hegel's cunning of reason. Hope that everyone in need finds a place in a train to take them to their desired destination.
There is a new french documentary called : "les ombres du Bataclan" It's about French government responsibility for not acting to prevent the attack. Haven't watched it yet, but there might be more information!
The problem is that we as a continent were not strict enough. The migrants should have been stopped at Greece and this whole issue would have been avoided.
Easier solution, Hungary could do basic border checks. Or even easier solution: kick Hungary you of the schengen area. They can rejoin once they learn to handle a border correctly.
Wow... as a hungarian you DID show me things I didn't knew. Thank you and yes we hate Orbán but some idiots fall for their propaganda with such ease that it is just ridiculous... thinking of moving to somewhere else because I can't stand the sh*t going down here
Thank you so much. It is rare to have people actually do good "contemporary history" and well-written fact-checking of the lies of leaders who still are in power, with a rather good touch of irony.
@Enieme Compte why would white nationalists (kinda silly to call native europeans that. why would wanting to keep your native homeland homogeneous be a bad thing?) be calm and collected as a migrant crisis occurs and they feel like their government isn't doing anything to help them?
@@flyingmonkeys96 Unfortunately many Europeans HAVE been turned into white nationalists by political powers, and I say this as a Hungarian born in Canada. I've been to Hungary multiple times in my life and the political views many people have are really disturbing and straight up medieval. Not to mention that they are typically not founded in truth but in government propaganda. Don't get me wrong, theres NOTHING bad about not wanting a massive influx of illegal immigrants and demanding your government to do something about it, if thats what the people want then the government should work towards making it so, but trying to achieve your goals with violence is not something conservatives or native white europeans do, its something that white nationalists do. The same white nationalists who were upset their government didn't do anything to help them will go and vote those same people in next time.
@@flyingmonkeys96 now u can use imagination and let's have similar situation to this on Canada US border. Cartels in Mexico take power, lots of Mexican go thru "the wall", they are in Arizona now, they are safe, but they're still going north. They are stoped by police in Utah, without any documentation. They are put in shelters, but they escape shelters and go North. They are on border with Canada and North Dakota they wanna go to Canada but they are stoped because they are Registered refugee in Utah, they are now illegal immigrants for Canadian. But if they go thru all country without stopping they can register for refugee status in Canada.
Just one fact: the last weekend Hungary turned back 800 migrants. They are not refugees bacause the Genf convention says they should wait in the FIRST safe country. And Hungary is not the first one, so they are immigrants not refugees.
I was there for all of this and NONE of this came through from the news of course :) I'm so glad I got the hell out of there. Thank you for this video so I can show my English speaking friends what a political pisspot I come from.
This is really interesting, I haven't really heard about this, especially not the links to the Paris Attacks. I have been following Eastern European political descent for some time, as a part-Polish person, so can empathise.
U remember when priest take family, offered flat, food, he even find work for dad (he get same money as regular employee). They run in middle of night to Germany.
vienna here, thank you for this summary. i remember the day the first buses arrived, a few weeks after more than 50 refugees died in acooling truck. Kanzler Kurz, which is a dear friend of orban, is still riding on the refugee wave, he "closed the balkan route" and im not sure if i shall cry or puke.. that train with picture of refugees from ddr.. man.. the world is a fucking meme. anyway, found oyur channel today, watched a bunch of musk bashing videos praising trams, liked it a lot, highways are growing strong in vienna, trams and buses not so much.. cheers to budapest
Indeed, as in every language. Refugees are those escaping disastrous sitations in their countries and illegally entering other countries. When a person enters first safe country on his/her way and get registered there then he/she gets a status of a refugee. But when you enter first safe country, dont get registered there and countinue your travel enetring countries illegally then you are illegal imigrant, like those people, economic illegal imigrant to be more specific.
a Migrant is someone who wants to move from one country to another for a better oppurtunity and better living standards, however refugee is someone escaping war, extreme poverty in a extremly poor country, political prosecution by his goverment or even escaping a Tyrannical dictator.
Thanks so much for this valuable insight in the events of 2015. Because 'Hungary stopped the migratory flux' is a very popular line in Germany and France
What you forget is that Hungary had/has legal obligation to stop those immigrants who entered the country illegally. You know, because of Schengen. In fact a little bit earlier Hungary was fined by the EU because Hungary wasn't hard enough on those who tried to enter the Schengen illegally. After the migrant crisis started western EU countries (Denmark, Sweden) themselves started to close down the borders to prevent illegal immigration. The EU law is still that asylum seekers has to request asylum at the first EU country they entered.
Speaking of asylum seekers: by international law, they are required to apply for asylum in the first country they come to after leaving theirs. How many countries did Afghans cross on their way to Germany or Sweden? Also, how come the overwhelming majority of asylum seekers are young men? Why Saudi Arabia which borders Syria, and boasts thousands of huge, airconditioned tents which stand empty except during pilgrimage to Mecca, accepted zero Syrian refugees?
I don't know if anyone will ever read this, but I have a funny story about the police guarding Keleti train station. I was just entering the station, got waved through because I'm white, and a roma kid was trying to also enter. Now the cop who waved me through, stopped him immediately, and the kid burst out "I'm Hungarian, dude." in Hungarian. The cop immediately backpedalled and said "Oh, yeah, go on through." It was basically *brown person located*: the ultimate encounter. Both the saddest and funniest shit I've seen. I've not once been stopped during the "lockdown", just because I was a white guy. They didn't even ask me if I understood them, I could've been a white passing arab guy, they didn't care, white person noticed, let him through. Sad shit.
So basically Orban is bad because he doesn't want the refugees to come to Europe, implying that the refugees coming to Europe is something good but then you say that he's bad because he transported them to Austria and that the Paris attacks where his fault even though the terrorists travelled to Belgium in a car and not in the Orban buses.
Orban is Putin's bitch. pretty telling to still find some European citizen defend his ass. not only traitors to Hungary, France, but to the entire continent. In France it was proven several time that right wing and far right parties are directly financed by Kremlin. traitors, all of them.
Preventing refugees from entering Europe is bad because these are human beings who came here for help. Messing up the process of them entering Europe so that they aren't even properly registered is bad because this makes it harder to help them.
11:00 To be fair, I think this is what we were supposed to do morally speaking. Just send fucking trains to eastern and southern Europe to collect the asylum seekers and distribute them more fairly across Europe. I fucking wish we could for one actually hold ourself to our own moral standards.
I am Hungarian, and I was a freshman in 2015. I remember I was moving in from my home, to the college, I was on a train, heading to Budapest Keleti, when the train stopped in the outskirts of Budapest. I had to get off the train, I had no idea where I was, I only ever been to the city once before. In the end I took a rather expensive taxi ride to the college.
Well, if you think about it, western Europe seemed pretty ok with taking migrants in unchecked, so why should Hungary spend all of those tax dollars meticulously checking through each and every illegal immigrant if western Europe wants them so badly? It would have been far more economical to give them what they want and simply bus them over to the Austrian border. Sure, a lot of what happened was extremely disorganized, but the Austrians could have simply checked them, or even the Germans, or Belgians, or even the French. It seems western Europe equally didn't care about what was going on, if they did, they would have helped more in this crisis.
I was there, on the border, in July 1989, my first visit to Hungary. I was camping all around the country and decided to tour the Esterhazy palace in Fertod. The camping areas were packed with East Germans. Later I was in Berlin, so I got to see the Wall opened.
I would love it if you could someday make a video about the Slovak nazi party(LSNS) or the overall state of Slovakia's government because it needs much more attention around the world
I think we can all agree that this could have been easily avoided with a pan-hungarian monorail.
oof
a hyperrail so to speak
Single-lane underground tunnel with eco-friendly, autonomus, self driving pods would've worked as well.
If Hungary only had some kind of navigable water way running through the region... a river or something that ships could use... if only...
Lolllll
@@omimahnjen3997 then someone would have to invent a floating device of sorts that could carry people and cargo. Hyperboat, hypership, oh I don't know... it'd never work.
I like how there is written on the locomotive: "Europe without borders since 25 years". The irony
Borders for thee but not for me
You can't make this shit up...
@Peter Kurten I dunno. It is written in german. I doubt many people from syria etc. speak german. And it seems also doubtful that orban speaks good enough german to know that.
@Peter Kurten Orban doesn't need to do that, there are a lot of paid anti Orban/and state provocators also here, who organized that. Since they lost the elections they want to "hang" Orban, and these thousands - many of them were members of the communist militia or the state communist party - and some of them now own a huge privatized fortune stolen at the end of communism - say it every day on social media.
@Ordoliberal Absolutely not true. Do you believe these?
If I had written something as on-the-nose as that train engine illustration gag in my screenwriting class, my professor would have failed me.
I swear reality has the laziest writers.
god, can disappoint us
Reality is so strange it cant be made up
It's not even just the train thing, bussing migrants away farther into Europe while cops do combat with far right rioters is just such a beautiful way to show the hypocrisy of it all.
@@seiban8455 Another funny thing is that every security bureau on the continent considers the far right a rising threat that will soon rival islamic terrorism, but conservatives are in complete denial, crying about antifa
@@GreedPainLove Because they don‘t want to alienate their voter-base
'...if these people were British tourists they'd be fist-fighting the police at this point...'
I feel so seen, sadly. You're not wrong.
If they were "ingerlish" football fans then definitely yes.
Well that's our impression somehow of the British tourists in Budapest, sadly. Other nationalities too, but word of mouth says British are the worst, here at least. Dunno about other countries, maybe only we got the worst kind of ppl here, stag parties and all
@@Turbo_TechnoLogic we have them here in the UK too. It’s why I tend to avoid clubs and busy bars. Can’t be bothered with all the obnoxiousness.
Maybe because we know that peaceful protest does FA, they just laugh at you.
@@Turbo_TechnoLogic same here in Portugal, the cops all say British tourists are the worst, especially after a few pints of beer.
I was today's years old when I found someone to plainly explain what actually happened in 2015.
that was a very close look, for a macro look i recommend ruclips.net/video/a0g0BDEid8M/видео.html
Keep in mind that this video leaves out a lot. For instance why the migrants made their way to Western Europe in the first place.
@@TheMorgenTee why?
@@khuszar6778 I assume the reason is to paint Orban in the worst way possible - when in fact the migrants were incentivized to leave the refugee camp they resided in due to the EU cutting food rations and Angela Merkel basically inviting them in a television appearance to come to Germany.
If you don't believe, please do your own research. It's always a good idea to be skeptical about what someone tells you on the internet. This is also true for this video which works with lies of omission.
@@TheMorgenTee So, my understanding was that the topic of the video was to debunk that twitter claim that Orban was the only government leader who prevented migrants from entering western Europe. I think he did a pretty good job of debunking that claim and, in fact, demonstrated that Orban actually exacerbated the migrant crisis in Western Europe.
I don't see how the "reason the migrants were fleeing Eastern Europe in the first place" is relevant to this topic at all. I'm not saying that it doesn't matter period, but I am saying that it's not relevant for this video...
There was obviously a lot more to the 2015 migrant crisis than the actions of the Hungarian government, but this video is primarily focused on the actions of the Hungarian government. The fact that specific other events related to the 2015 migrant crisis aren't included in the video isn't "lying by omission".
Imagine being a random Pakistani person walking on the street and then tens of buses come and pick you up for no reason and then you are in Austria all of the sudden.
oh it was strange for me alright. I was in Berlin at the time and I had lived in Berlin already before the "refugee crisis". Walking down the street was full of surprises, I either got special treatments in shops and stores by pro immigration people or screamed at by anti immigration people. Weird af (mind you, both my parents were full time doctors for the International Red Cross, earning far more than the average income for Germany, I was brown but I had perfect German and was already well established in Germany)
I can imagine some brown skinned interrailer from Greece, Spain or Italy basically getting the Budapest-Austria train for free
Still better than being in Pakistan.
@@VVan595 still better than being in India
This random pakistanise choose by himself to take an unconvenient road so...
Orbán: We want imigrants out of this country!
Imigrants: We want to get out of this country.
Also Orbán: no
Adam Something: "The Hungarian spokesman is lying to you. They did nothing to stop the migrants from flooding western Europe."
Also Adam: "They are bad because they stopped the migrants"
@@bengale9977 Yeah, he turned their words around on them, calling them out as the hypocrites that they are. What's your point?
@@Oujouj426 how is that turning words around them?
@@abcdpqrs1281Did you watch the video?
Immigrants: Why?
Despite the video being rather sad, I admit I laughed my ass off trying to visualize purchasing two hundred fucking thousand sim cards.
you go to every corner shop in a city, on a daily basis, for several weeks, using several people to do so. I haven't ever bought 200 thousand sim cards, but I presume, that might be one way to go about doing so.
"and though the news was rather sad, well I just had to laugh."
@@Deschutron "He blew his mind out in a car"
@@72pffkk24 "he didn't notice that the lights had changed"
"If these people were British tourists, they'd already be fistfighting the police or something" - truer words have rarely been spoken!
*in all of history, never before were truer words spoken.*
with knives
British tourists generally don't invade other countries. The buy tickets, enter legally and leave after a week or two.
I remember watching the migrant walk live, it was one of the most incredible events in recent Hungarian history.
Sometimes I think they were smarter than us, it only took them a few weeks under Orbán's rule to have enough of it and just collectively get up and walk to Austria. We locals still haven't mass-evacuated the country after 12 years.
if everybody migrated to Germany then we would achieve world peace
@@Wolcik3000 “if every one was German we’d have world peace”
That sounds concerningly familiar
@@randombrit13 you don't have to be German to live in Germany
Well we have lost 400000 people to emigration since the last census 4 years ago. (Pop. About 9.5 million)
@GTC TV 'If Germany was everywhere we'd have world peace'
I love that locomotive and the illustration so much. It is a work of art, not the actual art, but the universal irony is.
There are a lot of these 'Werbelok's in Hungary, showing various events or general ideas or historical figures
I remember this moment perfectly, I was an exchange student in Austria for a year, and I literally arrived the same exact day the refugees started walking to Vienna. I went to the westbahnhof (which was the main train station before the hauptbahnhof opened) on 05/09/15 to go to my host family and it was simply astonishing to see the ammount of refugees there, most of them with big signs thanking the austrian goverment for letting them in, boy what a time to be alive it was.
Hilarious.
Not gonna lie, that Paneuropean Picnic locomotive was a spectacularly inspiring sight.
European history at its finest.
You know, at least until _nothing happened._
@@Filip-dg6uk Yes, with the ultra trustworthy right wing media outlets, who absolutely don’t get caught lying, over and over and over and over and over and over and over. The second you show that you think that your opposition is somehow fundamental more stupid then you, that’s the second that everyone knows you drank the kool-aid.
@@Filip-dg6uk the right pushes for intervention and government overthrow in middle east, middle east destabilizes and migrants flee middle east. Leftist sees problem and wants to integrate migrants created by western nations actions, the right drowns migrants and sends them back to mess they caused.
@@Filip-dg6uk the right then justify their actions by trying to blame the migrants for their situation, and lie to their followers about why the middle east is a wreck. Please get your right wing ideological leaders out your mouth, and actually look into the situation.
@@Filip-dg6uk damn anti semitism just damn, you know immigrants and migrants can help the European economy right. The dropping population rates can be solved by more immigrants.
@@Filip-dg6uk and I agree all people living in Europe should have the right to live thier and all people living in Africa should have the right to live their. No matter the skin color, race, or religion.
Excellent video. I was living in Budapest when all this was going down, and actually took part in trying to help the refugees stuck at Keleti at the time by volunteering there. Even so, I have I never seen such a comprehensive summary of the situation, with so many of the gaps filled. Everyone should see this video.
Új kedvenc csatornám vagy, Ádám!
As a refugee I want to thank you.
The more I learn about Hungary and it's government the more parallels I see between Hungary and Poland... And as a Pole I am scared
I agree. (Hungarian)
What's wrong in poland?
@@m1l3s27 I wrote about it in my comment above
@@m1l3s27 Homophobia
@@m1l3s27 government is really fucked up
Whenever I feel down or useless, I remember Victor Orban exists
Remember North Korea has a Prime minister.
Lol then I feel more down cause he exists
You know who's worse than Viktor Orban? People who voted for him.
'the Hungarian spokesman is lying to you right now"
me: No surprised pikachu face
It's amazing to get this kind of news about hungary in comprihensible english (no offence, but magyars I've met usually sucked at english), thank you for that! Greetings from Csehország!
The only problem is that this is a very biased report. Please do your own research.
@@mullergyula4174 K den fella
@@mullergyula4174 I think your opinion is the truly biased one. Are you a supporter of Orban, I'm mean, did you vote for Fidesz? Is your ego entangle with them, so their shame is also yours in your mind? Be honest.
@@danciagar I did not vote last time, next time if I vote I will vote for Fidesz. As most people I try to vote for the least bad.
Here are some important migration rules that Hungary has to follow as an EU border state:
Migrants need to be registered where they enter the EU. They can also be sent back to the country where they entered the EU. Hungary has to enforce these rules.
Migrants did not want to register in Hungary, they wanted to get to richer countries like Germany. There is a conflict of rules and interests.
Hungary had no interest in supporting migration through its territory. We built a fence which we are entitled to do and later on Austria built one, too. Building a fence has worked migrants avoided Hungary.
@@mullergyula4174 " Hungary has to enforce these rules." bullshit as the video expose.
It's always of the utmost importance to expose the lies and manipulations of those in power. I salute your work.
o7
As a graduate political science and international relations student, I find your channel seriously amusing, especially when you're covering political topics such as this. I had no idea that those posters were only written in Hungarian. The fact that this have worked as intended is so fucking stupid it's hilarious!
This is a far leftist content creator. Only expect to hear from the left side.
Orban protected "EASTERN" Europe from migrants.
Since he closed borders, the migrants avoided slovakia poland and czechia, and went straight to germany through austria.
That isn't bad at all. Germany has the economy to support those migrants, those countries are smaller and don't have the same living standards as in Germany.
@@erebus7306 tbh. Migrants probably dont even wanna come here to eastern eu
Except that if they get refugee status in Germany, they get in the whole EU. But, you know, far right can't think past short term effects.
@@azrieljale Because they are spoiled.
True. Im Hungarian living in Slovakia and the only time i met migrants was when i was visiting Budapest. It was not this bad at that time, but i remember seeing 2 young girls on the subway totally scared. when they wanted to get off the police were at the door so they ran to a different one, got off and ran up the escalator. It was really sad to see
Damn, the “🇵🇱❤️🇭🇺” statement is actually true. We even have equally shitty goverments!
Just because you disagree with it does not mean they are shitty. The Hungarian government did everything in there power to stop them. They could have burnt the city to the fucking ground of they didn’t comply. They police were busy protecting the immigrants from the football protestors. Also all of the Immigrints there in the first place came illegally.
@@schutzanzug4518 I don’t understand your reply.
_„Just because you disagree with it does not mean they are shitty [rest about migrants]”_ who may or may not be shitty? Gov’t or migrants? _„Hungarian goverment did everything in their power to stop them. They could have burnt the city to the f*****g ground of they didn’t comply. They police were busy protecting immigrants from the football protestors. Also all of the Immigrints in the first place came illegally.”_ I don’t feel like responding to each of your points from this, lets say, „rant”... But how does any of this relate to my comment??? I just made a joke from the „🇵🇱❤️🇭🇺” type comments and the fact that both countries have right leaning semi-authoritharian goverments, which ruin their economies, ect. You responded as if I made a longer statement about the migrants or something. Are you a bot or a troll by any chance?
@@Schody_lol I meant to comment that on the comment above yours. Lol.
Damn right we do man😀
yeah but ours have been in power longer which means more opportunity to take control and resources from the state
As a Hungarian conservative, I started watching this video with a little doubt. Not because I am brainwashed, or rural, or elderly (I am in my 20s and live in the capital. At the time of the crisis I lived in a block just beside Keleti, so I had a premiere-plain view of this whole mess) The reason of my doubt is that some people tend to edge out things, only highlighting certain details, that support their point of view (fyi the gov' in our home does just this)
But the video turned out to be decent. Again, I am a conservative, but that doesn't mean that I am a far righter. Adam got almost everything right, and made a fairly objective point of sth, that is subjected to very intense political debate in my country, up to this day. However, there is a thing missing, that I think is very important: Registration.
You see, in the EU's quota system, it works as follows: If let us say, an afghani family enters the EU AND gets registered in Croatia, then, if the western countries decide, that for some reason they don't have a place for said afghani family in their country, they get sent back to the place, where they entered the EU and got registered, in this case, Croatia, so it becomes Croatia's responsibility, to take care of them. And the ruling party in my home knew of this. So they transferred everybody, on tax payer's money, without registration to Austria, to let it be their problem. Now, I know what you are thinking: That its spineless cowardice, or worse. And I agree with you.
Hungarians are a very polarised nation. And most of them are still beholden to populism, a thing which not only fidesz, but every other pp in Hungary take advantage of. This is, sadly our way of things since the Fall of the Iron Curtain (and even before that, but thats another story.) Populists trying to beat populists, with no real public servants in our political life, and the ppl stuck between a rock and a hard place. You either vote the alleged "commies" (who, for the historical account do have some connetions to the old day's regime.), or you vote the populists, alleged "nationalists". These are you options in Hungary, and if someone tries to rise up, and make a difference, the current ruling popus usually make short work of him/her, mostly financially.
Thank you for the context
I noticed the same with the political situation in Hungary (I'm a Dutch guy married to a Hungarian woman). The whole political system is rotten to the core, it's like having to chose between frying a baby or boiling a baby, there is no single good option.
I would say im center to right wing, and things like these are hapenning in Czechia aswell. Our prime minister was a business magnate and known bad guy at best, mafian at worst. He and his party have record number of corruption affairs and still 30% of people here vote him, its same as with Hungary, old school thinking populist admiring boomers and seniors. His electorate consists mostly of these 2 entities, so he sent every senior pensioner 250USD through post to get some votes in upcoming parliamental elections. His book he made is such a bizzare, you can read first pages and tell whats the targeted groups age. Its okay tho, prices are increasing here, thanks to our prime minister and his party, so populist boomers are for sure happy. Unlucky that communist time seniors and alcoholic boomers dont know shit about inflation and devaluing of money through stealing from EU grants and whatnot. I feel like were doomed. Fucken shithole.
everyone who is sane sees islam for what it realy is, a wicked and sick ideology. Letting that ideology spread in ur nation will lead only to problems. Hungarians doing everything to prevent it is not a bad thing.
Kinda like america
As an australian, this story of cynical manipulation of optics of a humanitarian crisis by an ultra-conservative government in order to pander to a racist voter group is depressingly familiar.
What humanitarian crisis?
Ultra-Conservative is a nice Word for authoritarian.
@@herrklugscheiser2330 competent authority is good
@@admiralkipper4540
Authoritarianism not authority
@@herrklugscheiser2330authoritarianism is just a government that doesn’t need to pretend to be morally perfect to rule
The connection between far right hungarian militias and Abdeslam is very reminiscent of what happened with the Charlie Hebdo attacks where the weapons were provided to the Kouachi brothers by Claude Hernant, a former military that became a prominent figure of far right circles in the north of france and was making money by "reactivating" demilitarized weapons bought somewhere in eastern Europe. This guy was also an informant for the french intelligence services ...
Watching english videos about hungarian politics (as a hungarian) because the hungarian media is corrupt >>>
What a pity that this video only has a bit over 1000 views. All Hungarians should see this, rather than drool over Orban's random billboard campaigns.
I am sure you like it if it matches your political views, it is very biased. Orban did use the migration crisis for political goals, but it does not mean there was no crisis. Even Angela Merkel had to back off from her Willkommenskultur. Most Germans are not so welcoming as you might think.
btw Muller is referring to the fact that Merkel didn't poll the population about whether or not to help people in need or not lmao
turned out after that most Germans would've said no :(
@@mullergyula4174
Where does he say there was no crisis mr. Muller
@@geemcspankinson In the same style I can ask where did I say that he said there was no crisis.
The whole video suggests that Orbán is creating the problem, it forgets to mention Hungary's duties or any detail on migration rules. This is a more complex topic then the video shows.
@@mullergyula4174
He flooded the west with refugees, because he created a crisis by not letting them get out in the first place. Don't care what the EU aka germany-france axis of evil says, I already read your other comment.
The anti-migrant posters in Hungarian may seem absurd, but really they're just illustrative of how anti-immigration politics functions in much of the world. The people who are most hostile to immigration aren't generally the people who are most effected by it- they're typically in places with very low actual levels of immigration like rural areas and small towns and a large proportion are retired (and thus not competing with immigrants in the job market). Most of their fear and resentment is due to portrayals of the issue in the media. Because it is the public perception of immigration that is the problem, and not immigration itself, populist politicians ahve realised that symbolic gestures become much more important than policies for effectively managing migration, even if those gestures are absurd or counter-productive- e.g. posters in a language migrants can't understand, border walls or leaving the EU.
No wonder Trumpian lunatics and the Le Pen family business disguised as a nationalist party are sucking up to Orbán. They are taking their copies.
"If you were on that side of the road and you were brown, the Hungarian government took you to Western Europe for free." i fkn can't the delivery on this 15:45
The Migrant Crisis taught Europe a very good lesson though. After the crisis in 2015 you can notice Europe and the West in general disengaging from the Middle East. I think it FINALLY clicked for the first time that if America and American led coalitions keep bombing and destroying Middle Eastern nations none stop then of course thousands of people will migrate out of the region and go to Europe. This is in part why you can notice a ton of conservative politicians who were preaching disengagement rose in Europe. It is also why you see more and more European nations saying NO to America's interventions and requests for back up / new coalitions and this has pushed America itself to FINALLY disengage from the region. A slow lesson that has been learned. Now Middle Eastern nations can slowly (and I mean VERY slowly) rebuild and hopefully have more stability which will discourage massive migration like that from ever happening again.
uh literally we were rebuilding afghanistan. What were you doing when our men gave their lives up for freedom?
@@SK-tr1wo no you were not. you were busy destroying it and robbing it's natural resources as well as funding tyrants all across the nation to destabalize it even further. Your men died in vein and for no reason at all. I'm from the West as well but my country did not participate in that crime and mess of an invasion. Nor did it participate in the Iraq tragedy or Syria and Libya. Thank God. You have blood on your hands with your tax money killing kids. The day you face God in judgement day will be ugly for you.
@@SK-tr1wo what a joke. Look at the Afghanistan Papers released last year or something. It clearly show the top brass of US military had no f*cking idea what to do after the "end" of the war in Afghanistan. They knew they were burning an obscene amount of money and servicemen lives for a lost cause. Also there is not a single thing left from the American intervention in Afghanistan that is in good shape (being it infrastructure, governance, etc). The American idea of "nation-building" is a failure.
@@planettrax9754 America was never nation-building, and it never intended to. It only tried to stabilize the Afghan government by taking out terrorist forces, all while trying to train the Afghan military. It wasn’t enough, and we failed.
@@SK-tr1wo you bombed and destroyed more than rebuild, what are you on about?
I'm so glad I've found this channel. I was thinking about starting something similar since the representation of Hungary was so one-sided in the news lately. It was time for an insider to speak up. Szóval köszi a munkád! :)
I forgot a lot of details about this whole crisis, it was nice to see it in such an organised, well-worded fashion.
It is one sided, it's always anti-Hungarian and Anti-Fidesz.
Showed this to my conservative Hungarian mom. She stopped around 3 minutes in and said “I don’t like this man”.
well he started in calling Orban modern terms of warfare language so he not poisoned the well, but killed the pouch in convincing his opposition by facts used later on
It's interesting to see all this from a different perspective. I actually know the most things you were talking about because I'm from Germany and we saw this whole disaster unfolding in front of us but you did a very good job in connecting the points.🤔👍
Your video shows very well how far some right-wing politicians would/will go to increase their power and that human lives absolutely do not mean anything to them.
These people are just hard core criminals with a political Agenda.
Damn, after hearing this, I realise I should have asked my classmate who was a immigrant in 2015 what his experience was. Never asked him that cause I didnt know if he wanted to talk about it cause he could have gone through some fucked up shit, I assumed back at the time. He would probably have told me if I had just asked. He was a great guy and one of the only person in that year and that class I actually liked and got along with. Im still amazed how he was/is able to speak German really well at that time and despite the original language barrier made it to the "Oberstufe" (unfortunately theres no good way to translate words from a different education system to a different language). Amazing guy.
People don't realise that diversity is super important
@@almightybeanchild because of reasons
@@almightybeanchild Robert Putnam disagrees. Europe for Europeans.
seems like far right politics is bad for people, who would have thought...
Europe for indigenous Europeans, problem? Unending waves of foreign people are detrimental, who would have thought?
@@fighterpilot9981 the far right politics are the one responsible for all of this mess( bombing the Middle East to oblivion, Racism, and victor orban literally allowing the refugees to just leave the country with no order) Hmmmmm?
@@mindblower8774 “far-right” is a catch-all meme phrase to conjure up evil in the minds of you and your ilk. It refers to attitudes held around the world, but only reviled when white people hold them as well. Further, Hungary has absolutely nothing to do with the Middle East, and conflicts between different groups in the area is a much, much greater cause than western interventions, without question.
@@fighterpilot9981 what? People didn’t start to kill each other and becoming radicalized only after the invasion of Iraq.
@@fighterpilot9981 i am pretty sure you dont mind these football hooligans and i am sure that you only hate seeing Brown people in this video. i get it if someone wants to keep their nationality but if their far-right then they dont care who you are if you dont look white or blonde like them they hate you, far-right in a nutshell
This is an open letter to Adam!
Would you mind if i made a hungarian subtitle for this video?
HU subs are a must for this video! Cheers from Slovenia!
I’m jeleous of native Hungarian speakers. Such a beautiful language but so hard to learn 😭
@@Enceladus2106 Don't worry, even some of us can't speak it right.
@@blaine1799 Most of us, I would say.
Sometimes, even for us native speakers, it is a struggle to learn..
as a neighbor (I live in vienna) and I remember this, but I was not aware of this in detail, we knew Orban treated the refugees really badly but the extent didn't even come over the border, Keep up the good work, Adam
This channel is so underrated. As a Slovak, I know that Orban is a corrupt politician, but I've had no idea how much until now. Thanks for making this type of content, please keep it up.
he approved a chinese university, which by itself is not an issue. but look up the details, and you'll see it's worrisome to say the least.
@Enieme Compte It's simple really, Poland and Hungary are governed by populists that will do and say everything to stay in power, even if it contradicts their past actions, so nothing makes sense and it's all just a political game to keep a very high-paid job. Btw, Poland and Hungary are in Central Europe.
you should watch krauts video about him
He is looting the country and every possible index of living is collapsing (healthcare, median income, graduation rate/brain drain). Orban is turning Hungary into his mafia playground
@@SwieczkaNiweaniewierzeDarek Central Europe is a a concept constructed by Poles who can not accept the fact they are Eastern European.
It was so smart that to put volunteers onto the first bus! Also, poor people.
I remember around this time, many immigrant were forced to stay/live in the eastern railway station in Budapest. They were forced to stay there and live on nearby streets like homeless people, in horrible conditions for weeks witth little but no help at all. I passed day by day there, and I saw families with little childs in misery, living off the street, without any prospect. They were forced into this inhumane situation deliberately, to push them trought the breaking point. After weeks and weeks of suffering obviously some atrocity happened, then the media/goverment got the casus belly to transfer every immigrant to immigration-camps, then drop out every one of them from the country.
Thats depressing as fuck. This world is so inhumane.
No one FORCED them to do anything. They went to a country, entered illegally, then got stuck because they could not enter the next country illegally so easily. They and the people who encouraged them to do so were 100% responsible for their situation.
Hi Adam, I am huge fan of your content, I think everything you put out is extremely well researched and well explained. What shocks me most about your videos is your level of English. You are so articulate and clearly have a near-native level grasp of the language (although you retain an accent from your native language, this doesn't detract at all from your ability and actually gives you that "european charm").
I'd love to know what your method was of learning English and expanding your vocab. Have you been learning since you were a child? Whatever your methods are I would like to apply them to learning other languages.
Honestly, Adam, I wish you'd send this video to Interpol and the Hague's international court of justice.
I'd love to see Orban put on trial.
As Hungarian me too
I suspect they already know.
Damn! I thought my country has the scum of politicians (Romania btw..) but this Orban guy is really something special. The move with the billboards was epic 😁 Excellent vids, man! Keep it up!
Hungary number 1 corrupt politicans 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
Naaaah Romania is going upwards, trying to eradicate corruption (as far as I can see) while Hungary is going backwards, in this sense. All our neighbours have already or will surpass our GDP/capita pretty soon, even though we were ahead of them just 2 or so decades ago.
Btw, I love your mountains.
I love my sweet neighbours to the north, they are as silly as us, I'm not the biggest fan of them (jk, my favourite tourist plates to see in the summer), but sometimes I do think about what if we were in a union again, why break it up after being together for 800 years, the levels of absolute retardation we could reach together would be amazing.
In my opinion we should just turn Europe into one, big country and be fucking done with it man. Imagine how much better all of our lives would be if we collectively worked together as one people.
@@thatangrygerman2076 That will never work. You're basically asking for a Holy Roman Empire with 100 times more bureaucracy
@@ep6600 lmao what? It'd be less bureaucracy if the entirety of Europe had a single government, because there'd be only one of everything. Your statement makes no sense... it would work and it will happen, its pretty much inevitable
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To be honest the HRE only became a clusterfuck after a few centuries, did survive afterwards for a few centuries more until it died, only to spawn one of the most powerful european nation afterwards.
@@thatangrygerman2076 sure, you go complain to the far away capital when there's trouble in your life caused by government action. Goofball!
This is a very good video more people need to see, especially with the Hungarian elections coming up.
Wow. The Cartel de Sinaloa handles refugees better than this.
By handling you mean lining them up against a wall & opening fire?
Because that's what happened to a good many of them, reading about incidents of mass graves.
First of all i have to say i love your content, i binged watched most of your videos on my weekend. And as a syrian refugee that was at that fucking train station for 3 days that everything you said is absolutely correct. And i have hundreds of pictures documenting my journey from Lebanon to Germany where im a citizen now. And i can only add that even after hungry supposedly closed down the border at the end of September , you could easily bribe any border guard for about 300 euros and another 100 euros if you want him to call you a taxi to take you directly to Germany (thats another 1000 euros per person). Any one who had money was easily able to reach western europ , only the poor and the people that needed the moat help could not and had to wait months or even years for the resettlement into sweeden or Germany.
I feel so bad for Syrians in Lebanon (especially alawites who get beat up by phalange for being assumed to be Assad supporters). I wish we could do more for you guys, Palestinians, etc. Especially considering how Syriaand history of helping Lebanese, Palestinians, and Armenians out.
Orban keeps making Putin proud 🥰
"If you were on the side of that road and you were brown, the hungarian government took you to western europe FOR FREE" 😭😭😭😂😂🤣. "You! Brownie! What are you waiting for? You going to austria right? Lets go!"
Why am I not surprised Tucker Carlson holds Orban up as some kind of good guy even though he let terrorists pass through his country and gave them a free ride. Fascists think alike I suppose.
Yep and my dad wanted me to watch tucker’s segment about orban. I’m glad I avoided it
Then what you will tell about Italy and Greece, they did exact same thing. And now France is doing this in Calais 🤔
And this is how to become a dictator in democracy.
History is indistiguishable from satire.
Could you please do a video explaining hungarian politics and parties? I am a hungarian but finding unbiased, data driven information is virtually impossible. Thx
Not sure how unbiased this is but here you go
ruclips.net/video/CzKpLCfrMEA/видео.html
@@jowaksh6627 yup, it's by watching Kraut I found out about this channel. Thx anyway
10:15 just golden. LMAO!
They couldn't choose better locomotive to arrive at that station
I feel like many of Europe's problems have their roots in Orban
Orban didn't create the European Union (or its predecessors) which created most of Europe's problems after WWII.
I remember reading and watching a lot of news of what was going on back in 2015, but I never really knew what was really happening until I watched this video.
Well. Orban could have handled this better. Based on your report, Orban engaged in an act of political trolling and creative rail system financing.
Exactly political trolling is the best way to discribe this,he knew exactly what he was doing,he set his political goals and he archived them.
I really hope your channel will grow, this is excellent!
And they still showing the pictures from Keleti in the news to scare old people.
You are my only source of well researched but still entertainingly presented Hungarian news. I only found similar channel for US issues and I also think the language barrier keeps away the worst types of political trolls from here. I'm glad that I found you, keep up the good work!
I worked at Auchan Budaörs as a foreigner (I'm French) from August 2015 to July 2016.
Migrants were parked in front of the train station in Budapest since months. At the beginning of September, they decided (or were pushed to do it) walk from Budapest downtown. I saw them from my office walking on the highway at Budaörs between Budapest and Vienna.
The government, probably excited about what happened, decided rapidly to mobilize a lot of buses to conduct migrants at the Austrian border. Problem solved for Hungary so but not for Europe.
After that they began to build a wall with their Serbian and Croatian border, I remember going to Belgrad and see all those migrants stuck at the door of the EU for months.
The military checked every train wagon from Zagreb to Budapest for migrants.
Still the most informative and shocking video on this channel - keep up the great work man !
Still too many Hungarians fall for Orban's propaganda
Jobbik is the real ''far-right'' party, as you can see in the poll in 3:50 almost 70% of people in Hungary votes either for them or Orban...
@@TheJirkal fidesz, jobbik and Mi hazánk. Are far right.
Marky-Zay's new party is right (neo-liberal) all the rest are called socialist and acts more capitalist than the right.
What we need is a true socialist party tbh
I'm Hungarian and I consider myself right-wing (moderate) but I absolutely abhor Orbán and Fidesz because they've never walked the talk. Thank you for reassuring my inuitions and backing them up with unchallengable facts.
Are Fidesz still the most popular or have they lost support?
@@slickrick2420 they're by far the most popular because the opposition is unorganised and people don't trust them.
@@ferencmarcellpalyi220 Yet they trust Fidesz despite the corruption scandals?
@@slickrick2420 the opposition is fractured thus puts up no fight with the ruling party. Obviously they flow some money into sectors that make up their voting base also.
@@ferencmarcellpalyi220 Thanks for the insight!
This also ties in with the video that Three Arrows made about this exact subject, although yours is a bit more heavy on the Hungarian angle.
Was looking for this comment.
Luckily Orbans stupidity is finally catching up to him. Sadly EU is slow to act but I trust it will. As it always finally does.
Problem is that Hungary is protected from Ukraine I think and that means the EU can't put sections and stuff without every member voting yes but 1
@@makuru.42 It's Poland. Their government's been doing own fair share of far right shenanigans and they, together with Hungary, can now veto any EU action for each other.
screw the EU, Slavic countries unite
>Sadly EU is slow to act but I trust it will
no it most likely won't lol. I imagine Germany is actually quite happy with Orbán's presidency because German automobile companies can find cheap labor in Hungary.
I see mostly young men, few families and little to no women. Weird.
Man, the pan-european picnic train arriving in Budapest station is such a beautiful moment. The incompetence of railway planners really brings about the List der Vernunft, Hegel's cunning of reason. Hope that everyone in need finds a place in a train to take them to their desired destination.
bro who are you? great work on your vids i hope your channel grows more.
There is a new french documentary called : "les ombres du Bataclan"
It's about French government responsibility for not acting to prevent the attack.
Haven't watched it yet, but there might be more information!
finally a hungarian-english channel i can get behind.
The problem is that we as a continent were not strict enough. The migrants should have been stopped at Greece and this whole issue would have been avoided.
Easier solution, Hungary could do basic border checks.
Or even easier solution: kick Hungary you of the schengen area. They can rejoin once they learn to handle a border correctly.
@@humanperson6495 but they did handle their border correctly.
@ForOne814 By letting undocumented immigrants move across borders without processing them or running border checks?
Sound legit to me
@@humanperson6495 that did lead to destabilization in EU.
@@ForOne814 Which is why removing them is the logical conclusion
FINALLLLY! Someone noticed the bilboards! I thought i was the only one. Phew.
04:30 we were so lucky to have so many migrants coming through the country who speak hungarian! Amazing!
Wow... as a hungarian you DID show me things I didn't knew.
Thank you and yes we hate Orbán but some idiots fall for their propaganda with such ease that it is just ridiculous... thinking of moving to somewhere else because I can't stand the sh*t going down here
unfortunately it isn't just SOME idiots
Thank you so much. It is rare to have people actually do good "contemporary history" and well-written fact-checking of the lies of leaders who still are in power, with a rather good touch of irony.
the fence was quite bad for wildlife. so he triggered those sjw vegans even more /s (just in case)
I was traveling in eastern europe at that time and watched some of this crap unfold in Budapest live. Time flies ...
Very interesting, I only got the perspective from Germany at the time
I barely got it from Denmark at all, partly because i was 11 and probably because of perspective. Eveyone should see this vid
@Enieme Compte why would white nationalists (kinda silly to call native europeans that. why would wanting to keep your native homeland homogeneous be a bad thing?) be calm and collected as a migrant crisis occurs and they feel like their government isn't doing anything to help them?
@@flyingmonkeys96 Unfortunately many Europeans HAVE been turned into white nationalists by political powers, and I say this as a Hungarian born in Canada. I've been to Hungary multiple times in my life and the political views many people have are really disturbing and straight up medieval. Not to mention that they are typically not founded in truth but in government propaganda.
Don't get me wrong, theres NOTHING bad about not wanting a massive influx of illegal immigrants and demanding your government to do something about it, if thats what the people want then the government should work towards making it so, but trying to achieve your goals with violence is not something conservatives or native white europeans do, its something that white nationalists do.
The same white nationalists who were upset their government didn't do anything to help them will go and vote those same people in next time.
@@flyingmonkeys96 now u can use imagination and let's have similar situation to this on Canada US border.
Cartels in Mexico take power, lots of Mexican go thru "the wall", they are in Arizona now, they are safe, but they're still going north. They are stoped by police in Utah, without any documentation. They are put in shelters, but they escape shelters and go North. They are on border with Canada and North Dakota they wanna go to Canada but they are stoped because they are Registered refugee in Utah, they are now illegal immigrants for Canadian.
But if they go thru all country without stopping they can register for refugee status in Canada.
@@flyingmonkeys96 do you actually think most Germans care about keeping Germany homogeneous?
Just one fact: the last weekend Hungary turned back 800 migrants. They are not refugees bacause the Genf convention says they should wait in the FIRST safe country. And Hungary is not the first one, so they are immigrants not refugees.
I was there for all of this and NONE of this came through from the news of course :)
I'm so glad I got the hell out of there.
Thank you for this video so I can show my English speaking friends what a political pisspot I come from.
This is really interesting, I haven't really heard about this, especially not the links to the Paris Attacks. I have been following Eastern European political descent for some time, as a part-Polish person, so can empathise.
U remember when priest take family, offered flat, food, he even find work for dad (he get same money as regular employee). They run in middle of night to Germany.
vienna here, thank you for this summary. i remember the day the first buses arrived, a few weeks after more than 50 refugees died in acooling truck. Kanzler Kurz, which is a dear friend of orban, is still riding on the refugee wave, he "closed the balkan route" and im not sure if i shall cry or puke.. that train with picture of refugees from ddr.. man.. the world is a fucking meme.
anyway, found oyur channel today, watched a bunch of musk bashing videos praising trams, liked it a lot, highways are growing strong in vienna, trams and buses not so much.. cheers to budapest
Leaving a comment for the algorithm, hope this video gets more views like it deserves!
Im not a native English speaker, so please correct me if I'm wrong but there is a significant difference between refugees and migrants.
Indeed, as in every language. Refugees are those escaping disastrous sitations in their countries and illegally entering other countries. When a person enters first safe country on his/her way and get registered there then he/she gets a status of a refugee. But when you enter first safe country, dont get registered there and countinue your travel enetring countries illegally then you are illegal imigrant, like those people, economic illegal imigrant to be more specific.
a Migrant is someone who wants to move from one country to another for a better oppurtunity and better living standards, however refugee is someone escaping war, extreme poverty in a extremly poor country, political prosecution by his goverment or even escaping a Tyrannical dictator.
how is building a wire fence cheaper than just... buying immigrants tickets do they leave? gosh darn i love politicians
Thanks so much for this valuable insight in the events of 2015. Because 'Hungary stopped the migratory flux' is a very popular line in Germany and France
What you forget is that Hungary had/has legal obligation to stop those immigrants who entered the country illegally. You know, because of Schengen. In fact a little bit earlier Hungary was fined by the EU because Hungary wasn't hard enough on those who tried to enter the Schengen illegally. After the migrant crisis started western EU countries (Denmark, Sweden) themselves started to close down the borders to prevent illegal immigration.
The EU law is still that asylum seekers has to request asylum at the first EU country they entered.
Orbán: *praises himself as the last defender of Christian Europe*
Also Orbán: *ships refugees to Western Europe*
Still Christian
This is one of your videos that needs more views.
Speaking of asylum seekers: by international law, they are required to apply for asylum in the first country they come to after leaving theirs. How many countries did Afghans cross on their way to Germany or Sweden? Also, how come the overwhelming majority of asylum seekers are young men? Why Saudi Arabia which borders Syria, and boasts thousands of huge, airconditioned tents which stand empty except during pilgrimage to Mecca, accepted zero Syrian refugees?
I don't know if anyone will ever read this, but I have a funny story about the police guarding Keleti train station. I was just entering the station, got waved through because I'm white, and a roma kid was trying to also enter. Now the cop who waved me through, stopped him immediately, and the kid burst out "I'm Hungarian, dude." in Hungarian. The cop immediately backpedalled and said "Oh, yeah, go on through." It was basically *brown person located*: the ultimate encounter. Both the saddest and funniest shit I've seen. I've not once been stopped during the "lockdown", just because I was a white guy. They didn't even ask me if I understood them, I could've been a white passing arab guy, they didn't care, white person noticed, let him through. Sad shit.
I really enjoyed that story
So basically Orban is bad because he doesn't want the refugees to come to Europe, implying that the refugees coming to Europe is something good but then you say that he's bad because he transported them to Austria and that the Paris attacks where his fault even though the terrorists travelled to Belgium in a car and not in the Orban buses.
Orbán is bad because he didnt let the terrorists blow up hungary instead of france. Bad bad boi
Orban is Putin's bitch. pretty telling to still find some European citizen defend his ass. not only traitors to Hungary, France, but to the entire continent. In France it was proven several time that right wing and far right parties are directly financed by Kremlin. traitors, all of them.
Preventing refugees from entering Europe is bad because these are human beings who came here for help. Messing up the process of them entering Europe so that they aren't even properly registered is bad because this makes it harder to help them.
I think you missed Adams point
"Ugh Ugh they are humans"
Any better reasons? Some good ones perhaps? And not just cheap appeal to emotions?
11:00 To be fair, I think this is what we were supposed to do morally speaking.
Just send fucking trains to eastern and southern Europe to collect the asylum seekers and distribute them more fairly across Europe.
I fucking wish we could for one actually hold ourself to our own moral standards.
I am Hungarian, and I was a freshman in 2015. I remember I was moving in from my home, to the college, I was on a train, heading to Budapest Keleti, when the train stopped in the outskirts of Budapest. I had to get off the train, I had no idea where I was, I only ever been to the city once before. In the end I took a rather expensive taxi ride to the college.
Well, if you think about it, western Europe seemed pretty ok with taking migrants in unchecked, so why should Hungary spend all of those tax dollars meticulously checking through each and every illegal immigrant if western Europe wants them so badly? It would have been far more economical to give them what they want and simply bus them over to the Austrian border. Sure, a lot of what happened was extremely disorganized, but the Austrians could have simply checked them, or even the Germans, or Belgians, or even the French. It seems western Europe equally didn't care about what was going on, if they did, they would have helped more in this crisis.
I was there, on the border, in July 1989, my first visit to Hungary. I was camping all around the country and decided to tour the Esterhazy palace in Fertod. The camping areas were packed with East Germans. Later I was in Berlin, so I got to see the Wall opened.
Wow. This played out like some dark comedy film. Especially the bit about the European Picnic train!
Great stuff, sharing it all over.
Ügyesen utánanéztél, még akik itt élnek sem kaptak rendes képet a hazugságokról. Köszi.
I would love it if you could someday make a video about the Slovak nazi party(LSNS) or the overall state of Slovakia's government because it needs much more attention around the world