This is true. There is no humanity seeping whenever I see League of Legends players play on the most "prestigious" tournament. Everything feels so artificial. The same picks, the same bans. Its so tiresome.
I don't even know why he cares about that, gameplay is what matters the most and is where Dota wins by an order of magnitude. League e-sports are extremely boring to watch, and i say that as a League player since 2009 lol
@@milandjukic4583 League of Legends teamfights is boring. It's fast, it's a poke fest. Only champions like Malphite and Rell, and other champions with great initiation make team fights fun.
I don't think proleague is more serious. I think it's more professional. For better or for worse. Something being more professional doesn't necessarily make it good or bad.
@@sam-zn7re Most annoying part about pro-league is how overhyped commentators are over very mundane things because so little is going on in many pro games. 15 minutes of nothing, then someone makes a firstblood play top and commentators start SCREECHING like it's an Xpeke backdoor. It feels very fake and artificial. Forced hype to try and make events during games seem more interesting than they are. Of course, that's their job in the end. But I think it tells more about the current state of watching the game.
@@henrikswanstrom92185 years playing league. Never seen pro plays. So boring. i only know a few pro player and that is youtube shoving it onto my feed
@@henrikswanstrom9218i play both games consistently and i also watch both’s esports and i can honestly say that the 15 min firstblood hype is actually real as I feel the hype myself. However, the downtime in between actions are honestly so miserable lmao i always end up playing games on my phone while watching. This doesn’t happen in dota 2 tho, even the drafts in dota 2 are more exciting than 80% of lol pro play 😢. Lol pro play has just become so standardized like theyre just following a template for the sequence of events that are supposed to happen in a match, which makes me sad as i rlly love the game.
tbh, if u watch league pro play without playing the game, it looks like they forced the nerdy awkward boys to act tough for the photoshoot and to be mysterious, and it comes off as the players not looking comfortable, while in dota players do or say whatever they want
Lmao, if u think League eSport even come close to Dota, u don't know shit about what you're saying, kid. 2 different dimensions of games. LoL esports is like a kindergarten show of little tourneys. @@oreoyo5639
@@dirky1185 You act as if league don’t live rent free in dota players head in the first place. Check his past comment section where he plays dota and all the people making fun of him cause he comes from league lol. Same thing with csgo and valorant.
I like both League and Dota as games but Dota taking itself less seriously is what makes its competitive scene 10x better than league's Worlds feels like its trying to be a professional sports broadcast. TI feels like its run by fans who love the game and want to make a fun event for themselves
Theres some important about this team that I dont think was explained. Notail the support was back stabbed by his best friend and partner of 10+ years who stole multiple teammates, he then role swapped from playing a core role to support. Ceb was their coach and forced to play to fill their roster. TI was Topson's (their mids) first professional experience, imagine a pro team picks up a solo q demon and then wins worlds. Ana their carry was considered a fraud at the time for some sub par performances when he was extremely young and had taken a break from pro until he was called up by notail (he then promptly retired until OG called him up for next TI which they won.) Jerax their 4 has just always been a beast.
I just like the vibe of this way more. League prof scene is so fucken weird and awkward. This seems so chill and like they're actually normal humans just trying their best
I believe the reason why the professional League of Legends scene feels so serious is that they are attempting to make it feel like the NBA of esports. While this isn't necessarily a negative thing, it doesn't always align with the gaming culture of hanging out with friends and trying to have fun. I use worlds footage to fall asleep.
this is the analogy that makes sense, league is tryna cater to a different, MUCH WIDER audience. there’s nothing wrong with it, and there’s nothing wrong with trying to appeal to the majority
Literally no one thinks that. Every professional event that has the same prestige as a CS, Valo Major, Dota's TI or League's Worlds is taken extremely seriously by everyone because every pro's livelihoods are at stake. For CS and Valo pros they make money from stickers/gun skins and battle passes. A life changing amount if you win a major. For dota2 the prizepool alone can change a person's life. And for league the salary gets boosted extremely high(for example after winning worlds Zeus' 2024 salary is the same as Yatoro's entire networth).
When Nemesis says “it’s not as serious as League” it’s actually real, it’s got character. These guys are not handcuffed by their SJW developer. Gaben is so clear of Riot.
"League Draft and Teamfights are so much better." Yeah the same 30 champions for the whole season and 5 second teamfight which are just poking the other team to death and first teamfight at 30 mins. Sure.
NoTail and Jerax have been 2 of the most prolific Dota pros for me. Notail made Chen look so cool I was obsessed with it, and Rubick was my favorite hero and in the hands of Jerax its insane (that and his Earth Spirit, a whole other level of insane). Chen was the hardest for me to learning coming from League to Dota as a support player- microing up to 5 creeps each with different abilities and almost no self survival tactics outside of a slow while maintaining global awareness for yoinking your teammates across the map or needing a Raka(Chen) ult
Don't also forget this 2018 OG was formed 3 months before Ti8. Notail being the captain, ceb switching from being a coach to a player, and picking topson(first ever lan tournament) really no time to prepare 100%. And almost every one thought they were the worst team from ti8. Defeating crowd favorite VG.J storm, a fully stacked EG , and chinese powerhouse LGD in upperbracket finals and even in the grand finals
watch the 2021 one - they removed the strategy footage from this one and just included funny interactions and reactions - this true sight was meant for people who knows the game already or watched the 5 games.
Yes, been waiting for nemesis to react to dota documentaries. Seeing people who are new to dota react to the documentaries gives me reason to rewatch them.😊
He is still clueless about the game so it make sense he does not react every time. Just having his insight about league pro scene and comparing what’s comparable to him about dota is enough.
I have no idea what he means by league being “way more serious”. Maybe he’s just talking about the vibe of the comms and stuff, but to me it seems pretty obvious that pro dota is MUCH closer to the highest possible level of play than league is. Dota seems MUCH more merit-based while league teams will play horribly and win all the time. I can understand that he just doesn’t know a lot about the game and he’s just giving his impressions, but I thought he spoke a lot about the issues with competitive league. Clearly I’m misunderstanding something here because dota just seems clearly like more serious game competitively
He knows more about league and you know more about dota. You both are bias… horrible team also don’t win all the time in league. There a reason why eastern team always wins internationally in lol because they are simply better in most aspects of the game than western teams in lol. Going by your logic, western team wouldn’t be getting their ass beat as often if horrible team win all the time.
@@oreoyo5639 my point is that league play is currently barely scratching the surface of possible competitive play, but dota is almost the opposite. Dota teams and tournaments are constantly actively pushing towards a better understanding of the game and it creates an environment where a team like OG can go from literally being a joke to being one of the most respected teams ever. The open qualifiers, the lack of franchising, etc. all points towards dota being a much more serious game competitively while league pro play seems to mostly just be empty hype and not much substance. I don’t even think nemesis disagrees, hence my initial comment
@@poadudeThis reek bias. Drx won worlds after being seen as a joke all year. Idc if you dislike league esport but it isn’t all empty hype. All dota players does is shit on every league related.
What I really don't like about the first True Sight is how little gameplay is shown and how important plays are REPLACED by the CGI, I prefer when they complement they plays, not replace.
People watch the movies first then watch the directors cut after. Treat true sight as a behind the scenes. The CGI are basically a way to immortalize an iconic/crucial plays. Imagine if the Faker Orianna play with the Rakan set had a CGI. Would’ve been epic.
If you’re interested about the ti8 finals a RUclips channel called NoobFromUA is the best way to watch it. He basically have highlights of a bunch of pro matches.
Well the dota fans watched the tournament first and knew what actually happened, that it's one of the most hype and unpredictable final in Dota 2 history. The true sight purpose is really just for knowing the players behind the match. Although the drafting part was definitely the most interesting part. We didn't even know if they're even thinking the same thing, like meta heroes or signature heroes, etc
@@manoi8 I watched it too, but the movie came waaaaay later, I wouldn't mind a reminder. They fixed it in the last ones, if I'm not mistaken, I loved the Team Spirit one.
the reason why there's a box because the crowd can warn the player when there's a smoke of deceit used, and also the pressure is still there the pro player told us that they can still feel the ground shaking by the scream alone, oh lastly thats why korean and china always won world cause outside thise region the player takes game so seriously to win and forget to win & keep their mentality on check and choke at the real event might just give the korean or china again this world year lol serious esport it looks like a joke.. eastern asian esport and the punchbag lol
Appreciate the reaction. Especially that you're willing to fully speak your mind honestly. Felt like a true reaction and not fake. Unfortunately many Dota fans will be mad about some of the things you said and misinterpret it as you hating on or criticizing the Dota proscene. I think your comments and comparisons are completely valid, especially since you're still a complete outsider. It's funny that you even critcize RIOT and Pro League alot in this reaction too but unfortunately, most Dota fans will ignore this and get stuck on the things you said about Pro-Dota that they deemed was negative.
you should watch the first ever documentary, "FREE TO PLAY" the start of dota 2 then continue from the first true sight to the last, i would really love to see you watch those. btw "FREE TO PLAY" is their best documentary
The thing with DOTA. There are so many elements, so many reasons why you can flame your team mates, it can be so stressful. The best mentality to have in this game is a relaxed one. Every TI winner has been the most confident and not taking it too seriously. Also the individual plays are always worst than most high level pubs because of the stress of the stage. Positive attitude wins tournaments.
i suggest you if you are gonna watch ti9 true sight watch True sight insights. It's version were they are added tips and explained what is going on and why
I’ve gotta say that dota is probably 2x or 3x harder than league because of the mechanics that each champ is unique and hard to master ,from laning,luring camp,mid game fighting,vision advantage,high ground,low ground, and you have to be focus 100% most of the time because if you make one mistake and die to enemy carries, the game is extremely hard
This is actually refreshing to watch compared to worlds where asian players show no emotion period and western players just look like they want to go home, because they get clapped every game.
As a seasoned player of both LoL and Dota, I totally get it: LoL players needed a simplified version of Dota to feel competent. Dota is like chess, where a comeback is always possible, while LoL is more like checkers-if you're ahead after 10 minutes, it's basically game over in 20 minute.
Nemesis should have at least learned the the basics of the heroes before watching truesight because he was clueless watching the game and didnt know what was happening
yes this isnt serious until u know the story of OG. how they build this team, how they win majors, how they lose, how fly left his best friend (notail), how ana breakdown, how they fill 2 slots to play TI, how they qualified bec they dont get a direct invite.
Topson did bad this TI but then in the next one (True Sight 2019) he fucking carried the 3 wins for his team 2019 - for the Second OG win, to really seal the best narrative to come out of a TI 2021 - it's the one that shows most drafts and tactics You can also see in 2021's True Sight how more professionalized the teams became
If youre passionate to play either both games, you get serious, focused, competitive and pressured. I think what splits about this "seriousness" is how they set rules, how they designed the game, and not how they communicate. riot designed the game like this, you play it like intended valve just shove everything available into your plate.
nemesis can come off so insufferable at times man. just understand that its two diff cultures. its like comparing lol comms to cs comms. guess its just his aspyness tho
@@Hasan-iq7hmIdk what you are mad over. He just said the vibe seems less serious as someone who has competed in pro play for league. I don’t think he is talking about gameplay.
@@Hasan-iq7hm it has nothing to do with what game you play, both league players and dota players enjoy the videos. if you dont like his takes just watch someone else, they aren't even outlandish takes.
you are right, anyone saying otherwise is just fanboying their fav lol streamer, he comes off as so know it all and like you said, insufferable. Probably just autism.
I play league for 14years but that shit hit me hard as rock insane imagine this kinda documentary and cgi in league they would have full cinemas in every country in the world
Riot is nowhere near as good as a company as Valve is. Riot will never allow players to trade their skins, Riot will never allow third parties to create game mods for League.
They are not "not being serious". They are just not in a heavily curated environment. Valve lacks the corporate bs approach in their esport (and game as a whole) where everything needs to appear clean and professional. Valve doesnt enforce their product to be inclusive and family friendly. They dont care, and they are based off of it.
i like t1 dynasty, faker the goat and all that but i couldnt really get into league pro scene as much as dotas. which is very ironic since i play league more but follow dotas pro scene more
Can he atleast be more clear on what isnt serious and what is, and Does he actually watch with his brains? There are some things that makes me question him so much with every question he has. Its like his brain is so foggy and cant understand 100%.
And especially pros, you cannot in any universe compare doters and lolers. Any pro player in dota are person, human and other stuff. While even famous faker and anyone in his team are random asian guys with poker faces.
Rather than "it's not as serious as League", it just seems like League players aren't having fun anymore. You say the draft phase is too long in Dota, that's because picks/bans change every time. For LoL, it's the same draft every single time. And lastly, when you said they're always hunting each other like a mickey mouse game, that's because unlike League where if you stay and dominate your lane, it's more or less a guaranteed win, it's not for Dota. LoL has become too linear a game now.
Bro I like your stream but I think you need more experience at the game before watching True Sights, no hurt in playing some more games try some new heroes, have fun man.
For the guy, who donated saying has any of these pros killed faker, lemme ask you, has any of your "pros" won worlds using a yumi carry(The IO version of LOL), checkmate nerd.
discount xqc here with big ego doesnt know wtf he is talking about. No crybabies doesnt mean its less serious. Stressed mindset doesnt mean more serious. it means, you are not in control of your state of mind
@@ChixiaWW You cant gain more players you gatekeep dota to hard. It goes like this we should play a moba what should we play lets play dota nah people say its to hard lets play league its bigger anyways boom lost players.
I dont know why u keep saying it's not serious, when that exactly is the reason why they won. They didn't let the pressure cripple them, and able to play at their best by having fun. What a bad take, just shows how bad lol teams deal with pressure.
yeah i cant take lol worlds seriously since everyone act like bots. Game was boring to watch. I first play league for 4 years and shifted to dota for like 5 years now playing league since i miss riven but i quit yesterday. I got banned apparently because league players nowadays perma report you if you chat. They are alergic to human interaction i suppose.
I feel like suggesting this to him when he doesnt know wtf is going is kinda stupid people on the dota community watch truesight for the BTS and Interactions not the gameplay people on the community already have that in mind and idk abt him but every proplayer wether its sports or esports are human too they have emotion i have not watched worlds yet but if he thinks TI players are not that serious bcuz on how they interact in draft and ingame is too possitive then im slightly concerned for pro lol players bro you have to give atleast more possitive than negative even if the situation is VERY bad(like in game4 and 5) and you saying they look *calm* obvi theyre also panicking but just not showing it AND im sorry but u also saying TI is not that serious then after like 3mins you said that drafting in lol shoudnt be this deep/long ngl that sounds unserious(although tbf dota has like a potential were 1 hero can basially counter 2/5 of the enemy team hero thats why its that deep and long)
Saying "league is more serious" like it's a good thing lmao. It's only more serious because Riot doesn't allow players to have any personality, and that's what makes league so much worse to watch.
I love it when a league streamer watches dota content and brings his league audience with him. It really shows how braindead league players are in his chat.
Icant, how people can compare TI and worlds ,even difference in names ridiculous. And especially worlds cartoons clips, they suck so hardly, some asian fat guys pretending to be sejuani or Wayne with idiotic anime fights. Or dude in glasses and red t1 jacket pretending to be ryze... While true sight is actually film, actual art
it may seem that way for people who has no prior klnowledge to dota or the lore in that tourney. But this documentary was really emotional. This is not outplay compilation. This is dota, full of human emotions.
@@jamesu7054 I've played dota in 2008-2014. Yes, it is emotional, because the best dota player is about plat in league in quality. And most of it was done for camera.
@@0kaiKai you mean platinum rank? Are you serious bro. League clashing is like throwing one clean full combo and hopefully one taps the carry. You can climb chal abusing broken unskilled heroes namely SION.
@@jamesu7054 do you really want to talk about balance in these 2 games? The best position 1 player on last TI was lasthiting 70% creeps at best. It would be unacceptable for league pro player. Dota is not a serious esport.
To be honest, Prays Ashe play doesn't even come close to most iconic pro Dota plays. Should've taken some actually hype and iconic League plays like Xpekes backdoor. The Pray arrow was just a team already winning the game being ahead interrupting a basetp. Sure, hitting a long range skillshot 'looks' kinda flashy. But when you dissect the play it was kinda underwhelming. League has SOOO many more hype plays than that.
sounds like you are projecting your inner thoughts mate. We are not the ones who is commenting under 2016 pray arrow, you are commenting under a dota video. If anything, it is you who think that can feel whatever from watching other games.
This dude don't know shlt about what he's saying. Doesn't even act like a real pro player. If he does even stand on a TI group stage, he will completely shit his pants. Imagine calling "non-serious" the most important E-Sports tournament in history. Absolutely hilarious. Worlds is like a kindergarten tournament compared to TI.
League pro play isn't more serious, it just presents as self-serious. This is how normal humans act under stress
This is true. There is no humanity seeping whenever I see League of Legends players play on the most "prestigious" tournament. Everything feels so artificial.
The same picks, the same bans. Its so tiresome.
@@danielroy7372 but the team fights feel so much more to watch
I don't even know why he cares about that, gameplay is what matters the most and is where Dota wins by an order of magnitude. League e-sports are extremely boring to watch, and i say that as a League player since 2009 lol
@@milandjukic4583 League of Legends teamfights is boring. It's fast, it's a poke fest. Only champions like Malphite and Rell, and other champions with great initiation make team fights fun.
I don't think proleague is more serious.
I think it's more professional. For better or for worse.
Something being more professional doesn't necessarily make it good or bad.
League players not understanding that a team can have positive vibes and like each other is the most League thing ever.
we understand bro old league comentary was much better new age league is feels like kpop i suggest you watck expake backdoor
@@sam-zn7re Most annoying part about pro-league is how overhyped commentators are over very mundane things because so little is going on in many pro games.
15 minutes of nothing, then someone makes a firstblood play top and commentators start SCREECHING like it's an Xpeke backdoor.
It feels very fake and artificial. Forced hype to try and make events during games seem more interesting than they are. Of course, that's their job in the end.
But I think it tells more about the current state of watching the game.
@@henrikswanstrom92185 years playing league. Never seen pro plays. So boring. i only know a few pro player and that is youtube shoving it onto my feed
@@henrikswanstrom9218i play both games consistently and i also watch both’s esports and i can honestly say that the 15 min firstblood hype is actually real as I feel the hype myself. However, the downtime in between actions are honestly so miserable lmao i always end up playing games on my phone while watching. This doesn’t happen in dota 2 tho, even the drafts in dota 2 are more exciting than 80% of lol pro play 😢. Lol pro play has just become so standardized like theyre just following a template for the sequence of events that are supposed to happen in a match, which makes me sad as i rlly love the game.
tbh, if u watch league pro play without playing the game, it looks like they forced the nerdy awkward boys to act tough for the photoshoot and to be mysterious, and it comes off as the players not looking comfortable, while in dota players do or say whatever they want
Both esport are a bunch of gamers playing video games at the highest level. There is no difference. Why are Dota players like this?
Why is league player commenting on a dota player reacting to dota documentary?
Lmao, if u think League eSport even come close to Dota, u don't know shit about what you're saying, kid. 2 different dimensions of games. LoL esports is like a kindergarten show of little tourneys. @@oreoyo5639
@@oreoyo5639 probably because nemesis and chat were half jokingly flaming dota pro scene. or did you not watch the video?
@@dirky1185 You act as if league don’t live rent free in dota players head in the first place. Check his past comment section where he plays dota and all the people making fun of him cause he comes from league lol. Same thing with csgo and valorant.
I think you guys should have let him watched the games first before true sight.
I like both League and Dota as games but Dota taking itself less seriously is what makes its competitive scene 10x better than league's
Worlds feels like its trying to be a professional sports broadcast. TI feels like its run by fans who love the game and want to make a fun event for themselves
Run by fans but with infinite production value
It is run by fans because the prize is from battle pass compendium (mostly)
Theres some important about this team that I dont think was explained.
Notail the support was back stabbed by his best friend and partner of 10+ years who stole multiple teammates, he then role swapped from playing a core role to support.
Ceb was their coach and forced to play to fill their roster.
TI was Topson's (their mids) first professional experience, imagine a pro team picks up a solo q demon and then wins worlds.
Ana their carry was considered a fraud at the time for some sub par performances when he was extremely young and had taken a break from pro until he was called up by notail (he then promptly retired until OG called him up for next TI which they won.)
Jerax their 4 has just always been a beast.
this is why ti8 is legendary. and ti9 is the conitnuation of "power of flowers and friendship".
I just like the vibe of this way more. League prof scene is so fucken weird and awkward. This seems so chill and like they're actually normal humans just trying their best
I believe the reason why the professional League of Legends scene feels so serious is that they are attempting to make it feel like the NBA of esports. While this isn't necessarily a negative thing, it doesn't always align with the gaming culture of hanging out with friends and trying to have fun. I use worlds footage to fall asleep.
this is the analogy that makes sense, league is tryna cater to a different, MUCH WIDER audience. there’s nothing wrong with it, and there’s nothing wrong with trying to appeal to the majority
the amount of ppl who believes worlds is more serious than TI is fucking hilarious
It's more professional.
Not more serious. Completely different things.
@@henrikswanstrom9218 Players who reacts to the pressure like what OG did doesn't make the event less serious or "unprofessional".
Literally no one thinks that. Every professional event that has the same prestige as a CS, Valo Major, Dota's TI or League's Worlds is taken extremely seriously by everyone because every pro's livelihoods are at stake. For CS and Valo pros they make money from stickers/gun skins and battle passes. A life changing amount if you win a major. For dota2 the prizepool alone can change a person's life. And for league the salary gets boosted extremely high(for example after winning worlds Zeus' 2024 salary is the same as Yatoro's entire networth).
true sight 2019 next please, 2018+2019 such an amazing story, actually shoulda watched Against all odds
also 2021 true sight is absolute banger. TS hard clutched it.
When Nemesis says “it’s not as serious as League” it’s actually real, it’s got character. These guys are not handcuffed by their SJW developer. Gaben is so clear of Riot.
"League Draft and Teamfights are so much better." Yeah the same 30 champions for the whole season and 5 second teamfight which are just poking the other team to death and first teamfight at 30 mins. Sure.
most anoying part about his league fans are they always saying that dota is dead. Bro league is so modernized that it caters to 5 y/o
NoTail and Jerax have been 2 of the most prolific Dota pros for me. Notail made Chen look so cool I was obsessed with it, and Rubick was my favorite hero and in the hands of Jerax its insane (that and his Earth Spirit, a whole other level of insane). Chen was the hardest for me to learning coming from League to Dota as a support player- microing up to 5 creeps each with different abilities and almost no self survival tactics outside of a slow while maintaining global awareness for yoinking your teammates across the map or needing a Raka(Chen) ult
Don't also forget this 2018 OG was formed 3 months before Ti8. Notail being the captain, ceb switching from being a coach to a player, and picking topson(first ever lan tournament) really no time to prepare 100%. And almost every one thought they were the worst team from ti8. Defeating crowd favorite VG.J storm, a fully stacked EG , and chinese powerhouse LGD in upperbracket finals and even in the grand finals
and also their carry ana just returned to the team after a year of rest. So this was a magical THE INTERNATIONAL maybe of all time
watch the 2021 one - they removed the strategy footage from this one and just included funny interactions and reactions - this true sight was meant for people who knows the game already or watched the 5 games.
2021 true sight is a banger, but since he already watched 2018, he needs to see 2019, to see how CHADson was born
Yes, been waiting for nemesis to react to dota documentaries.
Seeing people who are new to dota react to the documentaries gives me reason to rewatch them.😊
can you call it a reaction? he was silent 90% of the time. looks bored out of his mind
He is still clueless about the game so it make sense he does not react every time. Just having his insight about league pro scene and comparing what’s comparable to him about dota is enough.
@@abogmus8904that's just how Nemesis looks all the time tbh. He is usually not that expresive.
@@abogmus8904 i mean gameplay looks boring ngl
@@milandjukic4583this is just players and the event, not a replay
I mean yeah, youre right. This is less serious, and as such OG showed everyone in these 2 TIs that being serious is worth absolutely nothing
I have no idea what he means by league being “way more serious”. Maybe he’s just talking about the vibe of the comms and stuff, but to me it seems pretty obvious that pro dota is MUCH closer to the highest possible level of play than league is. Dota seems MUCH more merit-based while league teams will play horribly and win all the time.
I can understand that he just doesn’t know a lot about the game and he’s just giving his impressions, but I thought he spoke a lot about the issues with competitive league. Clearly I’m misunderstanding something here because dota just seems clearly like more serious game competitively
He knows more about league and you know more about dota. You both are bias… horrible team also don’t win all the time in league. There a reason why eastern team always wins internationally in lol because they are simply better in most aspects of the game than western teams in lol. Going by your logic, western team wouldn’t be getting their ass beat as often if horrible team win all the time.
@@oreoyo5639what are you waffling about?
@@oreoyo5639 my point is that league play is currently barely scratching the surface of possible competitive play, but dota is almost the opposite. Dota teams and tournaments are constantly actively pushing towards a better understanding of the game and it creates an environment where a team like OG can go from literally being a joke to being one of the most respected teams ever. The open qualifiers, the lack of franchising, etc. all points towards dota being a much more serious game competitively while league pro play seems to mostly just be empty hype and not much substance.
I don’t even think nemesis disagrees, hence my initial comment
League is fake serious because Riot implements a bunch of high school esque rules to keep it "PG"
@@poadudeThis reek bias. Drx won worlds after being seen as a joke all year. Idc if you dislike league esport but it isn’t all empty hype. All dota players does is shit on every league related.
Gets goosebumps on the Ceeeeeeeeeebbbb call everytime
aaaaaaa he needs to watch the next ones specially the 40 mill one. they improved so much on these over the years
Why did his chat make him watch True sight? Like he don't really know how the game works yet and he looks really confused every team fight they do lol
yeah I like this guy but he needs more experience about the game, maybe play more or watch some matches first
Wow, he finally did it
I wonder If it has been a Pro-Lol player who said, " man, I love this game so much!" unironically. Like Notail in the video
Grubby reaction clears! This was an akward reaction to watch
Man this is such a cool way to promote your proplay
Finally Neme watching True Sight
Dota is an emotional game.
kinda dont get why less serious is bad? players already have enough pressure on them so why push them even further with useless rules
2021 true sight when?
thank god the next true sights show more gameplay so chat can calm down about it
What I really don't like about the first True Sight is how little gameplay is shown and how important plays are REPLACED by the CGI, I prefer when they complement they plays, not replace.
People watch the movies first then watch the directors cut after. Treat true sight as a behind the scenes. The CGI are basically a way to immortalize an iconic/crucial plays. Imagine if the Faker Orianna play with the Rakan set had a CGI. Would’ve been epic.
@@avaragegrandsummonerenjoye8552 I like them, but I like to see what happened exactly too, because good plays are exciting too.
If you’re interested about the ti8 finals a RUclips channel called NoobFromUA is the best way to watch it. He basically have highlights of a bunch of pro matches.
Well the dota fans watched the tournament first and knew what actually happened, that it's one of the most hype and unpredictable final in Dota 2 history. The true sight purpose is really just for knowing the players behind the match. Although the drafting part was definitely the most interesting part. We didn't even know if they're even thinking the same thing, like meta heroes or signature heroes, etc
@@manoi8 I watched it too, but the movie came waaaaay later, I wouldn't mind a reminder. They fixed it in the last ones, if I'm not mistaken, I loved the Team Spirit one.
the reason why there's a box because the crowd can warn the player when there's a smoke of deceit used, and also the pressure is still there the pro player told us that they can still feel the ground shaking by the scream alone, oh lastly thats why korean and china always won world cause outside thise region the player takes game so seriously to win and forget to win & keep their mentality on check and choke at the real event might just give the korean or china again this world year lol serious esport it looks like a joke.. eastern asian esport and the punchbag lol
Appreciate the reaction.
Especially that you're willing to fully speak your mind honestly. Felt like a true reaction and not fake.
Unfortunately many Dota fans will be mad about some of the things you said and misinterpret it as you hating on or criticizing the Dota proscene.
I think your comments and comparisons are completely valid, especially since you're still a complete outsider.
It's funny that you even critcize RIOT and Pro League alot in this reaction too but unfortunately, most Dota fans will ignore this and get stuck on the things you said about Pro-Dota that they deemed was negative.
you should watch the first ever documentary, "FREE TO PLAY" the start of dota 2 then continue from the first true sight to the last, i would really love to see you watch those.
btw "FREE TO PLAY" is their best documentary
The thing with DOTA. There are so many elements, so many reasons why you can flame your team mates, it can be so stressful. The best mentality to have in this game is a relaxed one. Every TI winner has been the most confident and not taking it too seriously.
Also the individual plays are always worst than most high level pubs because of the stress of the stage. Positive attitude wins tournaments.
im waiting for this, you need to watch other true sights especially the team spirit vs lgd one
Ceb is what Yamato aspire to be but he can’t
i suggest you if you are gonna watch ti9 true sight watch True sight insights. It's version were they are added tips and explained what is going on and why
I’ve gotta say that dota is probably 2x or 3x harder than league because of the mechanics that each champ is unique and hard to master ,from laning,luring camp,mid game fighting,vision advantage,high ground,low ground, and you have to be focus 100% most of the time because if you make one mistake and die to enemy carries, the game is extremely hard
This is actually refreshing to watch compared to worlds where asian players show no emotion period and western players just look like they want to go home, because they get clapped every game.
As a seasoned player of both LoL and Dota, I totally get it: LoL players needed a simplified version of Dota to feel competent. Dota is like chess, where a comeback is always possible, while LoL is more like checkers-if you're ahead after 10 minutes, it's basically game over in 20 minute.
how is league more serious
Nemesis should have at least learned the the basics of the heroes before watching truesight because he was clueless watching the game and didnt know what was happening
If league is so serious where's the league equivalent of true sight? LULE Nemesis
51:15 because everybody knows what they have to do 99 percent of the time. Its mostly mental game on dota
yes this isnt serious until u know the story of OG. how they build this team, how they win majors, how they lose, how fly left his best friend (notail), how ana breakdown, how they fill 2 slots to play TI, how they qualified bec they dont get a direct invite.
ti10 true sight pls
Topson did bad this TI but then in the next one (True Sight 2019) he fucking carried the 3 wins for his team
2019 - for the Second OG win, to really seal the best narrative to come out of a TI
2021 - it's the one that shows most drafts and tactics
You can also see in 2021's True Sight how more professionalized the teams became
bro i cracked when he said this 1:09 XD
If youre passionate to play either both games, you get serious, focused, competitive and pressured.
I think what splits about this "seriousness" is how they set rules, how they designed the game, and not how they communicate.
riot designed the game like this, you play it like intended
valve just shove everything available into your plate.
nemesis can come off so insufferable at times man. just understand that its two diff cultures. its like comparing lol comms to cs comms. guess its just his aspyness tho
why watch bro, just watch something else if you are getting butthurt over it
@@RossWasTaken it's just funny, i've played a lot of league and started dota after and this guy has the most weird opinionated takes.
@@Hasan-iq7hmIdk what you are mad over. He just said the vibe seems less serious as someone who has competed in pro play for league. I don’t think he is talking about gameplay.
@@Hasan-iq7hm it has nothing to do with what game you play, both league players and dota players enjoy the videos. if you dont like his takes just watch someone else, they aren't even outlandish takes.
you are right, anyone saying otherwise is just fanboying their fav lol streamer, he comes off as so know it all and like you said, insufferable. Probably just autism.
I play league for 14years but that shit hit me hard as rock insane imagine this kinda documentary and cgi in league they would have full cinemas in every country in the world
Riot is nowhere near as good as a company as Valve is.
Riot will never allow players to trade their skins, Riot will never allow third parties to create game mods for League.
I mean looking at cs2 and what they sre doing valve is piece of shiet but i assuming that dota is their favorite child @@sentryward8744
51:20 THEY CUT THE STRAT COMS BECAUSE THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL
They are not "not being serious". They are just not in a heavily curated environment. Valve lacks the corporate bs approach in their esport (and game as a whole) where everything needs to appear clean and professional. Valve doesnt enforce their product to be inclusive and family friendly. They dont care, and they are based off of it.
Ain't no way you still have delusional takes, I hope you start to grind more seriously the game goes 10 galaxies deeper than you think
Bro watch True Sight 2019. You will get to see Topson become Godson!
i kinda hoped he would've watched ti9 first as i personally think it's miles better than this one, but it's ok he'll enjoy next one more
watch ti7
i like t1 dynasty, faker the goat and all that but i couldnt really get into league pro scene as much as dotas. which is very ironic since i play league more but follow dotas pro scene more
Ceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeb!
Can he atleast be more clear on what isnt serious and what is, and Does he actually watch with his brains? There are some things that makes me question him so much with every question he has. Its like his brain is so foggy and cant understand 100%.
And especially pros, you cannot in any universe compare doters and lolers. Any pro player in dota are person, human and other stuff. While even famous faker and anyone in his team are random asian guys with poker faces.
Rather than "it's not as serious as League", it just seems like League players aren't having fun anymore. You say the draft phase is too long in Dota, that's because picks/bans change every time. For LoL, it's the same draft every single time. And lastly, when you said they're always hunting each other like a mickey mouse game, that's because unlike League where if you stay and dominate your lane, it's more or less a guaranteed win, it's not for Dota. LoL has become too linear a game now.
"Why are Dota players much older than League players." Cause league is catered to 10 year olds.
Bro I like your stream but I think you need more experience at the game before watching True Sights, no hurt in playing some more games try some new heroes, have fun man.
i like free to play the most
For the guy, who donated saying has any of these pros killed faker, lemme ask you, has any of your "pros" won worlds using a yumi carry(The IO version of LOL), checkmate nerd.
discount xqc here with big ego doesnt know wtf he is talking about. No crybabies doesnt mean its less serious.
Stressed mindset doesnt mean more serious. it means, you are not in control of your state of mind
bro thinks that you cant have fun while playing
Come on valve. Pls just use your faking 5% to sponsor CC.
5% of valve is a big ass number
@@egrassa1480Not a loss, they need to gain more players.
@@ChixiaWW they actually don't, we want more players, valve doesn't give a damn. If Dota died tomorrow Valve pockets wouldn't feel it
what is CC?
@@ChixiaWW You cant gain more players you gatekeep dota to hard. It goes like this we should play a moba what should we play lets play dota nah people say its to hard lets play league its bigger anyways boom lost players.
is this guy the soon to be the next dota 2 pro
I dont know why u keep saying it's not serious, when that exactly is the reason why they won. They didn't let the pressure cripple them, and able to play at their best by having fun. What a bad take, just shows how bad lol teams deal with pressure.
yeah i cant take lol worlds seriously since everyone act like bots. Game was boring to watch. I first play league for 4 years and shifted to dota for like 5 years now playing league since i miss riven but i quit yesterday. I got banned apparently because league players nowadays perma report you if you chat. They are alergic to human interaction i suppose.
I feel like suggesting this to him when he doesnt know wtf is going is kinda stupid
people on the dota community watch truesight for the BTS and Interactions not the gameplay people on the community already have that in mind and idk abt him but every proplayer wether its sports or esports are human too they have emotion i have not watched worlds yet but if he thinks TI players are not that serious bcuz on how they interact in draft and ingame is too possitive then im slightly concerned for pro lol players bro you have to give atleast more possitive than negative even if the situation is VERY bad(like in game4 and 5) and you saying they look *calm* obvi theyre also panicking but just not showing it AND im sorry but u also saying TI is not that serious then after like 3mins you said that drafting in lol shoudnt be this deep/long ngl that sounds unserious(although tbf dota has like a potential were 1 hero can basially counter 2/5 of the enemy team hero thats why its that deep and long)
Saying "league is more serious" like it's a good thing lmao. It's only more serious because Riot doesn't allow players to have any personality, and that's what makes league so much worse to watch.
I love it when a league streamer watches dota content and brings his league audience with him. It really shows how braindead league players are in his chat.
these dog league players saying "dota so bad" if dota is that bad then why was your game based on dota in the first place? 💀 istg
League's for kids
Icant, how people can compare TI and worlds ,even difference in names ridiculous. And especially worlds cartoons clips, they suck so hardly, some asian fat guys pretending to be sejuani or Wayne with idiotic anime fights. Or dude in glasses and red t1 jacket pretending to be ryze...
While true sight is actually film, actual art
noob reacting to dota
they stopped production of true sight because the pro scene is fucking dead 💀💀
Valve stopped everything Dota related recently because CS2
But now that CS2 is done, maybe back to more Dota content again.
COPIUM
@@henrikswanstrom9218 COPEAGE
league is full of edgy teenagers on antidepressants lmao doesn’t even come close to dota lol
Everything feels awkward, because everything is done for camera.
it may seem that way for people who has no prior klnowledge to dota or the lore in that tourney. But this documentary was really emotional. This is not outplay compilation. This is dota, full of human emotions.
@@jamesu7054 I've played dota in 2008-2014. Yes, it is emotional, because the best dota player is about plat in league in quality. And most of it was done for camera.
@@0kaiKai you mean platinum rank? Are you serious bro. League clashing is like throwing one clean full combo and hopefully one taps the carry. You can climb chal abusing broken unskilled heroes namely SION.
@@jamesu7054 do you really want to talk about balance in these 2 games?
The best position 1 player on last TI was lasthiting 70% creeps at best. It would be unacceptable for league pro player. Dota is not a serious esport.
DOTA players think this game can make them feel somethin close to 2016 Pray arrow, ngl they r kinda delusional
Take your meds buddy
Watched it, its nothing close to "The Play" or The 6 million dollar Echo Slam.
To be honest, Prays Ashe play doesn't even come close to most iconic pro Dota plays.
Should've taken some actually hype and iconic League plays like Xpekes backdoor.
The Pray arrow was just a team already winning the game being ahead interrupting a basetp.
Sure, hitting a long range skillshot 'looks' kinda flashy. But when you dissect the play it was kinda underwhelming.
League has SOOO many more hype plays than that.
sounds like you are projecting your inner thoughts mate. We are not the ones who is commenting under 2016 pray arrow, you are commenting under a dota video. If anything, it is you who think that can feel whatever from watching other games.
Did he react to others dota documentary? I would love to see it
This dude don't know shlt about what he's saying. Doesn't even act like a real pro player. If he does even stand on a TI group stage, he will completely shit his pants.
Imagine calling "non-serious" the most important E-Sports tournament in history.
Absolutely hilarious.
Worlds is like a kindergarten tournament compared to TI.
league is so unserious just look at the game lol.