Once Upon An Island In my opinion nobody was to blame, both sides were in the wrong. Clarence shouldn’t have eaten the beans but Tom Lex and Ethan shouldn’t have made those probably racially motivated statements.
@StyleTechnical I think because Ethan was in the middle of his military comment when Tom made the shooting comment he got caught up and he agreed without really thinking about it.
@@amariahlovelace5113 I don’t think so I don’t think they would shoot you for that in the military like this guy said you would get in trouble however they wouldn’t shoot you
This was SUPER microagressive behavior coming from all contestants, Tom and Diane were the most egregious! Idgaf what he did, there’s no way in hell Tom shoulda said some stuff like “If I had a gun, I’d still be shootin ya!” If this was modern survivor Tom and Diane would be CANCELLED!
I understand Clarence's decision to open the can of beans for Diane without asking the rest of the team. Everyone was in the wrong but Clarence and Lex were the only reasonable ones here. Diane definitely threw him under the bus, her being the first one voted out was the saving grace to this
Always thought Clearance got a bad rap, Diane was a mess and it was early Survivor.. he just wasn't in the early alliance and he made himself a target through the nonsense.
@@regularperson7380 yeah, I always remember feelin' that way and rewatched Africa like, last fall.. completely confirmed Diane's the worst and I wish Clarence would have gotten another chance.
I kinda love how this is like a time capsule but being able to talk about survivor without the modern perspective and talk about it if it was 2000-2001
Thank you! I feel like everything is viewed and talked about through the lens of modern survivor by everyone else that it changes the perspective of what actually happened and what is actually being told to the audience by the show.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I'm only just now watching survivor for the first time ever, working through each season, and I am appreciating your videos so much, ignoring the modern perspective!!
I’m watching the season now and I just got to the part where Clarence got voted out. I get his tribe being upset about him opening the can but I feel like their behavior afterwards was extremely excessive. He kept his cool, listened to what they had to say, and apologized multiple times admitting he had a bad judgment call. The rest of the tribe treated him like he was the bottom of their group every chance they got after that.
I know im late to this, but how did Diane get away from criticism... I know she wasn't feeling well, but if she offered to open the food she should of gotten called out as well.
@@OnceUponAnIsland i guess, but Clarence came clean about what happened. He was pretty much forward about what he did and why, Diane was suspiciously quiet... just seems like her being quiet made her more suspicious in my eyes. Idk, as a viewer and a person of color this whole situation definitely felt pretty uncomfortable, especially how it kept coming back in later episodes even after Clarence stopped making dumb mistakes. I mean we have seen people in later seasons come back from worse transgressions, but this cast just never really gave Clarence the time of day up until he was voted off post merger.
@@jaynordiaz4609 exactly and its the main reason why it heavily bothers me on why they didn't even attempt to have more minorities in the older seasons
@@entertainer_ev2747 yeah I decided to try and watch a older season just for fun and this entire moment made me so uncomfortable as a person of color I know exactly why they reacted the way they did - especially the old redneck fat dude and the military guy… they just wanted a reason to justify their want to get Clarence out
I only watched this episode a few days ago for the first time, and I felt so uncomfortable throughout the entire incident. Tom and Lex completely overreacted in my view, and Ethan and the others jumped on board once they saw which way the tide was turning. Yes, Clarence probably shouldn't have opened the can without consulting everyone first, and yes, this was following the double cherry incident, but I believe completely that he was doing it for Diane. He didn't think the entire situation through because he was acting out of compassion, and just wanted to help the struggling woman. Clearly at some point he realised that it wasn't a good move and tried to hide the can, but the fact that he was completely calm the entire time while everyone was ganging up on him, and how honest he was trying to be, that attests to a strong and honest character. Diane doesn't pipe up until the situation has nearly been resolved, only to throw Clarence under the bus, very likely to save her own skin, which is a snakey move seeing as Clarence had been helping her all afternoon. There are two more things though that make me more uncomfortable about this, that you didn't mention here. First, was Tom's racist comment about the handshake. He said from now on, Clarence was to shake Tom's hand like a man, and not to that "jive" thing that Clarence had been doing. Completely overlooked throwaway comment, but clearly speaks to Tom's character, to some extent the tribe's characters as nobody called him out, and to Clarence's strength of character as he didn't rise to it. I understand this was almost 20 years ago, but we as modern viewers looking back should be calling out this kind of behaviour. Second, why couldn't Survivor just show us what actually happened? I appreciate they want to create some ambiguity and an exciting TV show, but they made Clarence look like some evil conniving liar, when they could have at any point, just showed us the truth of the situation. Just one small clip of Diane asking for the beans, or Clarence opening it unrequested, would have solved the issue. Instead I can't help but feel that Survivor took advantage of the mob mentality for a bit of sensation. (by the way thank you for the video, just recently found your channel and you're doing great work!)
Conor thank you for that! People that can really sense the tone and layers of this situation will feel uncomfortable. I really felt bad for Clarence. He was suspected, mobbed, guilted to the full extent, threatened even after apologizing. At worst, Clarence was hungry and greedy. He ate beans with Diana. We dont even get his side when they are out suspecting him. and treating him like an animal. Even if Clarence was completely wrong, there is no need to insight shooting! People do not see context, and how race can factor in this subtle microaggression. imagined being mobbed and threatened especially being stranded in middle of Africa with strangers you just known less than a week. He was alone with no one to back him up. And Even after he went around and apologized they made sure he felt buried by saying will lost all trust and he is starting from zero. The editing was terrible because the producer for this episode painted drama at a cost of painting clarence as a caught culprit.
I think that unfortunately Clarence was a victim of circumstance. He had gave the group a reason to mistrust him even if it seemed like an overreaction. When everyone is trying to avoid becoming the target it was easy to put the target on him. Diane probably saw how serious everyone was taking the situation and pushed him under the bus.
@@MasterMIxedUp No. If it had been Tom I think that they would have probably laughed it off. I felt bad for Clarence. Some players get the benefit of the doubt and some don't.
It was a blatant racism. They latched onto to this small issue and acted like as if murdered someone, giving them excuse to get out the one person that looks out of place.
Bro I love Clarence for this I’ve known if for a good 5 years ever since I met him on from his son on my baseball team and this makes me look at him in a hold other way like he played this so funny and I love how chill he was it would’ve been so funny if he won I rlly wish he did
He was so cool. For my 9th birthday he got me, my famliy, his famliy, and some of my friends a deal on wwe premium tickets that got you in the big booths at the top that are super expensive all Bc he knew a guy that worked for wwe and got us a deal
@@SouthernSkeptic His repeated use of the word boy for example. Whites routinely described Black men as boys to suggest African Americans weren't on equal footing with them.
@@oliveriosteinn People call me boy if they're mad at me and Ive never once thought about race. I guess i dont think about race for everything. Ive always thought it's funny that sjws in 2020 think Tom is so racist but Ckarence never said that. Clqrence k ew he scewed up opening that can without consulting the tribe.
@@SouthernSkeptic Yes i may be overreacting about this and it may be unfair of me to judge him for something that happened so long ago when times have changed. But I did feel kind of sorry for Clarence though but if he did open it for her then he shouldn't have ate himself. She totally threw him under the bus after too.
@@oliveriosteinn Yeah Clarence seemed like a good guy. But so does Big Tom. People judge southerners more harshly on race relations and that's just unfair. I have to defend Big Tom. None of the minorities he played with called him racist.Also remember that southwrn white people usually know more black people tha white people from other parts of the country and are more likely to treat them like anybody else after he screws up. And homegirl shouldn't have thrown him under the bus. Good call. She ate the rations too.
Can we just take a minute to imagine the optics if Clarence had been the one to say he'd shoot Tom? Can you imagine??? Boy, the early 2000s was a different time.
If Clarence had said that to Tom on a team full of white people, he would have received backlash. I would like to see Tom spoken to like that by Clarence on a team full of black players. Then we'd get the full effect. But of course then, would CBS ever broadcast that?
He was wrong for opening the beans but there's no way I would of answer to that Tom guy the way Clarence did. Sorry but that wouldn't of been me Off who it is. People need to learn to express their disapproval without disrespecting people.
Honestly, I don't know what went down, but I know what Clarence should have done. He should have rationed the can into eight portions, he eat one portion, Diane eat on portion, and have the other portions ready for the others when they returned. Then Clarence could have said that he was helping the sick Diane, they didn't take more than their fair share, and he knew the group would be tired and hungry from their trek and look like he had supper waiting for them when they returned. He could have spun this so well to make himself to look the hero and that he was helping the group.
@@OnceUponAnIsland just a theory i bet they had footage and the footage showed she did ask for the beans. Having that footage and showing it would have probably made the whole Scene a lot more evocative of all those lynching stories where a black man and white girl get together consentual my and after they get caught the white girl suddenly says he forced her. This whole thing just reads like a lynching. Especially the southern white guy saying if I had a gun I’d shoot you. If there was evidence the girl did ask for the beans then this whole scene would have looked a lot more Like real life lynchings and cbs would have gotten a lot of backlash. Instead they edited it to accentuate the previous cherries and cbs can play it off as just a Glutton being caught.
@@brandonporter8509 That's exactly what I was thinking. If they show she was lying, it paints everyone who didn't believe Clarence and gave him that much hell for it soooo much worse, and there are some long lasting players like the "loveable goof" comic relief Big Tom, Lex, and worst of all, the eventual winner Ethan. They also probably edited around Ethan's involvement as much as they could to prevent the winner from looking that bad. -Not that I think Ethan is a bad guy or would have done anything worse than the others or anything, he comes off as one of the nicest and most genuine winners they've ever had. I'm a Drag Race fan too, and they've made cutting around a winner in an everyone involved fight into an art, so it's something I'm used to looking for and trying to see through.
@@MariaThePotterNut Ethan getting the eternal "golden boy" treatment after all of this has always been mind boggling to me.. I too wonder what the powers that be chose to exclude about his involvement in it.
Throwing away the empty can (which could have been useful to have around camp) is a SURE sign he was feeling guilty about it and wanted to conceal it. I think he was definitely not planning on telling the others about it until they asked.
Why does this remind me of Nicaragua when swapped Espada tribe had chicken but everyone got a medium size chicken piece, but Tyrone had, like, a feast of chicken, as Ben says.
Even when it first aired, and up to now after multiple rewatches, I still firmly believe Clarence. It's certainly possible he suggested would food help, and I agree he shouldn't have split it/had some as well without talking to the tribe since thier food is so extremely limited. But the fact that Diane was smirking the whole time Clarence was getting in trouble, she didn't say a word until directly asked, and only then suddenly gets defensive and tries to make Clarence look guilty/wholly in the wrong? That has always made me feel like Diane wanted to be the next Jerri* so she was intentionally stirring up drama. Diane rubbed me the wrong way from the hop and her treatment of Clarence only made that worse - I think it was good they opted to vote her out first. Tl;dr - Yes, opening the beans without the tribe was a mistake (but, that Clarence owned). But Diane was shady, smirking, and I believe 100% trying to intentionally create rifts and drama. (*disclaimer that I don't think Jerri was actually REALLY a villain, and I do think Kel had something he wasn't supposedly to. I mean that Australia aired before this and at the TIME Jerri was portrayed/perceived as a major villain.)
I just started this season and idk if I even wanna continue it. The older seasons, the racism, etc. is soooo obvious. The fact this entire team just sat there hanging up on him, the ONLY black man over him trying to help another teammate is insane. While he’s apologizing and clearly feels bad. The comments about shooting him too!!!?! Like what the hell this was obnoxious
When was the Elsinore where Clarence spent like an hour applying war paint? He just got voted out on my survivor Africa rewatch and I don’t remember seeing it.
I know this is a very late reply, but in case you still were curious, I think it may have been shown during the mid season recap episode where they aired previously unseen (cut) footage.
I think I believe clarence because he said Diane said maybe something to eat will make her feel better & then Diane said she didn't ask for beans so I think Diane twisted the story. I mean he shouldn't have opened the can of beans without the rest of the tribes consent. It does look like he took two cherries though
Side note and this is just a thing I feel. Big tom seemed kinda racist. Not because he is a white drunk farmer but cause how he talked about Clarnece "Handshake" being weird and that he should do it differently. But I just feel bad for clarence. he should have just waited but I feel Lex, Ethan and especially Tom treated him wrong for something so small. Like one extra cherry come on Ethan. Then they ended up voting him out at the merge which could have backfired do to lex being paranoid and causing Kelly to flip. Overall, Clarence got treated badly and wished he returned. Also why didn't survivor show it? It seemed like they tried to make Clarence seem like a bad guy.
I think you probably have the most accurate assumption of what happened. My question...why is there no footage??? I find it doubtful they didn't leave a cameraman, that's what feels most shady to me. Just sayin
I don't think anyone was thinking straight really due to hunger/dehydration on all parts. No matter who initiated the idea of giving Dianne food, Clarence could have given her a bit and declined to take any, saving the rest for everyone to share. The rest of them were paranoid and oversensitive about it. Dianne probably saw them coming down on Clarence and didn't want to take heat for it. No one was really wrong or right, they were all just hungry/thirsty people, not to mention tired, hot, dirty-- bad judgment and flaring tempers will happen.
Yah Clarence did not start on a good foot with the tribe with taking two cherries. No matter who brought up on maybe having food would help, I feel it would have went better with the tribe if they rationed it into 8 portions so it's not like they both tried to secretly eat a can of beans by themselves. I really wished we got to see what really happened. It would have been a nice topic to touch on during the reunion episode and have it revealed.
What do you think? Do you think Clarence was to blame or did Diane throw him under the bus?
Once Upon An Island In my opinion nobody was to blame, both sides were in the wrong. Clarence shouldn’t have eaten the beans but Tom Lex and Ethan shouldn’t have made those probably racially motivated statements.
@@Paulluxx9000 *Tom and maybe Ethan really I mean Lex wasn't as harsh towards him and actually was somewhat fair towards him
@StyleTechnical I think because Ethan was in the middle of his military comment when Tom made the shooting comment he got caught up and he agreed without really thinking about it.
@@amariahlovelace5113 I don’t think so I don’t think they would shoot you for that in the military like this guy said you would get in trouble however they wouldn’t shoot you
Diane was literally smiling when they were all ganging up on him. I believe Clarence.
Same I think Diane started to throw Clarence under the bus when she saw that he might get voted out
This was SUPER microagressive behavior coming from all contestants, Tom and Diane were the most egregious! Idgaf what he did, there’s no way in hell Tom shoulda said some stuff like “If I had a gun, I’d still be shootin ya!” If this was modern survivor Tom and Diane would be CANCELLED!
I understand Clarence's decision to open the can of beans for Diane without asking the rest of the team. Everyone was in the wrong but Clarence and Lex were the only reasonable ones here. Diane definitely threw him under the bus, her being the first one voted out was the saving grace to this
& Diane lost the challenge for them & got the tribe lost on the hike so she was pretty much doomed
Social media has shown us alot especially these past ten years. Especially how easily and blatantly a Karen will lie. I believe Clarence now.
I do too
Always thought Clearance got a bad rap, Diane was a mess and it was early Survivor.. he just wasn't in the early alliance and he made himself a target through the nonsense.
Diane commented on FB that she stands by her side of the story.
@@OnceUponAnIsland and this is why she's the one first boot that I never wanna see back
I loved Clarence and hated Diane
@@regularperson7380 yeah, I always remember feelin' that way and rewatched Africa like, last fall.. completely confirmed Diane's the worst and I wish Clarence would have gotten another chance.
I kinda love how this is like a time capsule but being able to talk about survivor without the modern perspective and talk about it if it was 2000-2001
Thank you! I feel like everything is viewed and talked about through the lens of modern survivor by everyone else that it changes the perspective of what actually happened and what is actually being told to the audience by the show.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I'm only just now watching survivor for the first time ever, working through each season, and I am appreciating your videos so much, ignoring the modern perspective!!
I’m watching the season now and I just got to the part where Clarence got voted out. I get his tribe being upset about him opening the can but I feel like their behavior afterwards was extremely excessive. He kept his cool, listened to what they had to say, and apologized multiple times admitting he had a bad judgment call. The rest of the tribe treated him like he was the bottom of their group every chance they got after that.
Cause he was the only black person. They were basically looking for anything to complain about and reason to get rid of himz
I know im late to this, but how did Diane get away from criticism... I know she wasn't feeling well, but if she offered to open the food she should of gotten called out as well.
It seemed like she remained mostly quiet.
@@OnceUponAnIsland i guess, but Clarence came clean about what happened. He was pretty much forward about what he did and why, Diane was suspiciously quiet... just seems like her being quiet made her more suspicious in my eyes.
Idk, as a viewer and a person of color this whole situation definitely felt pretty uncomfortable, especially how it kept coming back in later episodes even after Clarence stopped making dumb mistakes. I mean we have seen people in later seasons come back from worse transgressions, but this cast just never really gave Clarence the time of day up until he was voted off post merger.
@@jaynordiaz4609 exactly and its the main reason why it heavily bothers me on why they didn't even attempt to have more minorities in the older seasons
@@entertainer_ev2747 yeah I decided to try and watch a older season just for fun and this entire moment made me so uncomfortable as a person of color I know exactly why they reacted the way they did - especially the old redneck fat dude and the military guy… they just wanted a reason to justify their want to get Clarence out
I only watched this episode a few days ago for the first time, and I felt so uncomfortable throughout the entire incident. Tom and Lex completely overreacted in my view, and Ethan and the others jumped on board once they saw which way the tide was turning. Yes, Clarence probably shouldn't have opened the can without consulting everyone first, and yes, this was following the double cherry incident, but I believe completely that he was doing it for Diane. He didn't think the entire situation through because he was acting out of compassion, and just wanted to help the struggling woman. Clearly at some point he realised that it wasn't a good move and tried to hide the can, but the fact that he was completely calm the entire time while everyone was ganging up on him, and how honest he was trying to be, that attests to a strong and honest character. Diane doesn't pipe up until the situation has nearly been resolved, only to throw Clarence under the bus, very likely to save her own skin, which is a snakey move seeing as Clarence had been helping her all afternoon.
There are two more things though that make me more uncomfortable about this, that you didn't mention here. First, was Tom's racist comment about the handshake. He said from now on, Clarence was to shake Tom's hand like a man, and not to that "jive" thing that Clarence had been doing. Completely overlooked throwaway comment, but clearly speaks to Tom's character, to some extent the tribe's characters as nobody called him out, and to Clarence's strength of character as he didn't rise to it. I understand this was almost 20 years ago, but we as modern viewers looking back should be calling out this kind of behaviour. Second, why couldn't Survivor just show us what actually happened? I appreciate they want to create some ambiguity and an exciting TV show, but they made Clarence look like some evil conniving liar, when they could have at any point, just showed us the truth of the situation. Just one small clip of Diane asking for the beans, or Clarence opening it unrequested, would have solved the issue. Instead I can't help but feel that Survivor took advantage of the mob mentality for a bit of sensation.
(by the way thank you for the video, just recently found your channel and you're doing great work!)
I wish they had shown us what happened so it wasn't a guessing game.
Conor thank you for that! People that can really sense the tone and layers of this situation will feel uncomfortable. I really felt bad for Clarence. He was suspected, mobbed, guilted to the full extent, threatened even after apologizing.
At worst, Clarence was hungry and greedy. He ate beans with Diana. We dont even get his side when they are out suspecting him. and treating him like an animal.
Even if Clarence was completely wrong, there is no need to insight shooting!
People do not see context, and how race can factor in this subtle microaggression.
imagined being mobbed and threatened especially being stranded in middle of Africa with strangers you just known less than a week. He was alone with no one to back him up. And Even after he went around and apologized they made sure he felt buried by saying will lost all trust and he is starting from zero.
The editing was terrible because the producer for this episode painted drama at a cost of painting clarence as a caught culprit.
I think that unfortunately Clarence was a victim of circumstance. He had gave the group a reason to mistrust him even if it seemed like an overreaction. When everyone is trying to avoid becoming the target it was easy to put the target on him. Diane probably saw how serious everyone was taking the situation and pushed him under the bus.
If it was Tom in that role would you think everyone would have thrown him under the bus the same way. Maybe even say i'll shoot you if I had a gun.
@@MasterMIxedUp No. If it had been Tom I think that they would have probably laughed it off. I felt bad for Clarence. Some players get the benefit of the doubt and some don't.
It was a blatant racism. They latched onto to this small issue and acted like as if murdered someone, giving them excuse to get out the one person that looks out of place.
Bro I love Clarence for this I’ve known if for a good 5 years ever since I met him on from his son on my baseball team and this makes me look at him in a hold other way like he played this so funny and I love how chill he was it would’ve been so funny if he won I rlly wish he did
Clarence seems incredibly cool 😎
He is when I first met him I didn’t even know he was on this show I just found out like a year ago
He was so cool. For my 9th birthday he got me, my famliy, his famliy, and some of my friends a deal on wwe premium tickets that got you in the big booths at the top that are super expensive all Bc he knew a guy that worked for wwe and got us a deal
@@bentoncarruth
I'm jealous
Getting a racist vibe from Big Tom there.
Why? Are you saying black people can't be criticized?
@@SouthernSkeptic His repeated use of the word boy for example. Whites routinely described Black men as boys to suggest African Americans weren't on equal footing with them.
@@oliveriosteinn People call me boy if they're mad at me and Ive never once thought about race. I guess i dont think about race for everything.
Ive always thought it's funny that sjws in 2020 think Tom is so racist but Ckarence never said that. Clqrence k ew he scewed up opening that can without consulting the tribe.
@@SouthernSkeptic Yes i may be overreacting about this and it may be unfair of me to judge him for something that happened so long ago when times have changed. But I did feel kind of sorry for Clarence though but if he did open it for her then he shouldn't have ate himself. She totally threw him under the bus after too.
@@oliveriosteinn Yeah Clarence seemed like a good guy. But so does Big Tom. People judge southerners more harshly on race relations and that's just unfair. I have to defend Big Tom. None of the minorities he played with called him racist.Also remember that southwrn white people usually know more black people tha white people from other parts of the country and are more likely to treat them like anybody else after he screws up.
And homegirl shouldn't have thrown him under the bus. Good call. She ate the rations too.
Can we just take a minute to imagine the optics if Clarence had been the one to say he'd shoot Tom? Can you imagine??? Boy, the early 2000s was a different time.
If Clarence had said that to Tom on a team full of white people, he would have received backlash. I would like to see Tom spoken to like that by Clarence on a team full of black players. Then we'd get the full effect. But of course then, would CBS ever broadcast that?
@@RankopediaHarvey Sir, shut up and go take a walk lmao. 🤡
Always thought Clarence didn’t deserve the treatment and Boran almost through their game away because of it
I do think voting him out at the merge was a mistake that they luckily avoided the ramifications of.
@@OnceUponAnIsland but wait Survivor All star and we all know what happen in the final 10
God I wish they did. Samburu was by far the more entertaining tribe.
He was wrong for opening the beans but there's no way I would of answer to that Tom guy the way Clarence did. Sorry but that wouldn't of been me Off who it is. People need to learn to express their disapproval without disrespecting people.
"I'd shoot you if I had a gun" - Big Tom
Clarence is hot
Honestly, I don't know what went down, but I know what Clarence should have done. He should have rationed the can into eight portions, he eat one portion, Diane eat on portion, and have the other portions ready for the others when they returned. Then Clarence could have said that he was helping the sick Diane, they didn't take more than their fair share, and he knew the group would be tired and hungry from their trek and look like he had supper waiting for them when they returned. He could have spun this so well to make himself to look the hero and that he was helping the group.
Yea but then he wouldn't get to eat a whole can of beans, which was why he did it in the first place.
I recently watched this season for the first time and cringed throughout this entire scene. The optics were just bad 🥴
It is a hard watch and I wish they had shown us what happened so it wasn't a guessing game.
@@OnceUponAnIsland just a theory i bet they had footage and the footage showed she did ask for the beans. Having that footage and showing it would have probably made the whole
Scene a lot more evocative of all those lynching stories where a black man and white girl get together consentual my and after they get caught the white girl suddenly says he forced her. This whole thing just reads like a lynching. Especially the southern white guy saying if I had a gun I’d shoot you.
If there was evidence the girl did ask for the beans then this whole scene would have looked a lot more Like real life lynchings and cbs would have gotten a lot of backlash. Instead they edited it to accentuate the previous cherries and cbs can play it off as just a Glutton being caught.
@@brandonporter8509 That's exactly what I was thinking. If they show she was lying, it paints everyone who didn't believe Clarence and gave him that much hell for it soooo much worse, and there are some long lasting players like the "loveable goof" comic relief Big Tom, Lex, and worst of all, the eventual winner Ethan. They also probably edited around Ethan's involvement as much as they could to prevent the winner from looking that bad.
-Not that I think Ethan is a bad guy or would have done anything worse than the others or anything, he comes off as one of the nicest and most genuine winners they've ever had. I'm a Drag Race fan too, and they've made cutting around a winner in an everyone involved fight into an art, so it's something I'm used to looking for and trying to see through.
@@MariaThePotterNut Ethan getting the eternal "golden boy" treatment after all of this has always been mind boggling to me.. I too wonder what the powers that be chose to exclude about his involvement in it.
Thanks for your service!
Throwing away the empty can (which could have been useful to have around camp) is a SURE sign he was feeling guilty about it and wanted to conceal it. I think he was definitely not planning on telling the others about it until they asked.
I didn’t like the way Ethan reacted and he seemed to hold a grudge the whole season against Clarence.
Why does this remind me of Nicaragua when swapped Espada tribe had chicken but everyone got a medium size chicken piece, but Tyrone had, like, a feast of chicken, as Ben says.
Even when it first aired, and up to now after multiple rewatches, I still firmly believe Clarence.
It's certainly possible he suggested would food help, and I agree he shouldn't have split it/had some as well without talking to the tribe since thier food is so extremely limited.
But the fact that Diane was smirking the whole time Clarence was getting in trouble, she didn't say a word until directly asked, and only then suddenly gets defensive and tries to make Clarence look guilty/wholly in the wrong? That has always made me feel like Diane wanted to be the next Jerri* so she was intentionally stirring up drama. Diane rubbed me the wrong way from the hop and her treatment of Clarence only made that worse - I think it was good they opted to vote her out first.
Tl;dr - Yes, opening the beans without the tribe was a mistake (but, that Clarence owned). But Diane was shady, smirking, and I believe 100% trying to intentionally create rifts and drama.
(*disclaimer that I don't think Jerri was actually REALLY a villain, and I do think Kel had something he wasn't supposedly to. I mean that Australia aired before this and at the TIME Jerri was portrayed/perceived as a major villain.)
Thank you for your service
I really enjoy your perceptive take on situations!! Another great video!
Big Tom was definitely in the wrong for making a statement like that. Ethan was already on board kicking him out
Exactly! That's messed up!
I just started this season and idk if I even wanna continue it. The older seasons, the racism, etc. is soooo obvious. The fact this entire team just sat there hanging up on him, the ONLY black man over him trying to help another teammate is insane. While he’s apologizing and clearly feels bad. The comments about shooting him too!!!?! Like what the hell this was obnoxious
The whole cast and Jeff Probst were all wrong
I love how they expected someone who’s built like a goliath to be totally fine with eating the same amount as someone half his size.
They couldn’t forage or get any more food in this location, all they had was the supplies they started with. Sacrifices have to be made.
No those skinny white men like Lex and all those useless white woman and Tom old illiterate ass, I forgot about Ethan fake ass.
When was the Elsinore where Clarence spent like an hour applying war paint? He just got voted out on my survivor Africa rewatch and I don’t remember seeing it.
I know this is a very late reply, but in case you still were curious, I think it may have been shown during the mid season recap episode where they aired previously unseen (cut) footage.
Zero respect for P.O.S. Diane
zero respect for the racist tom also.
I think I believe clarence because he said Diane said maybe something to eat will make her feel better & then Diane said she didn't ask for beans so I think Diane twisted the story. I mean he shouldn't have opened the can of beans without the rest of the tribes consent. It does look like he took two cherries though
Side note and this is just a thing I feel. Big tom seemed kinda racist. Not because he is a white drunk farmer but cause how he talked about Clarnece "Handshake" being weird and that he should do it differently. But I just feel bad for clarence. he should have just waited but I feel Lex, Ethan and especially Tom treated him wrong for something so small. Like one extra cherry come on Ethan. Then they ended up voting him out at the merge which could have backfired do to lex being paranoid and causing Kelly to flip. Overall, Clarence got treated badly and wished he returned. Also why didn't survivor show it? It seemed like they tried to make Clarence seem like a bad guy.
I think you probably have the most accurate assumption of what happened. My question...why is there no footage??? I find it doubtful they didn't leave a cameraman, that's what feels most shady to me. Just sayin
I don't think anyone was thinking straight really due to hunger/dehydration on all parts. No matter who initiated the idea of giving Dianne food, Clarence could have given her a bit and declined to take any, saving the rest for everyone to share. The rest of them were paranoid and oversensitive about it. Dianne probably saw them coming down on Clarence and didn't want to take heat for it. No one was really wrong or right, they were all just hungry/thirsty people, not to mention tired, hot, dirty-- bad judgment and flaring tempers will happen.
Where is the camera footage of what really happened at the camp with Dianne and Clarence?
I’m sure the Survivor crew were recording 24/7
Yah Clarence did not start on a good foot with the tribe with taking two cherries. No matter who brought up on maybe having food would help, I feel it would have went better with the tribe if they rationed it into 8 portions so it's not like they both tried to secretly eat a can of beans by themselves.
I really wished we got to see what really happened. It would have been a nice topic to touch on during the reunion episode and have it revealed.
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GERVASE IS GOTTA HAVE HIS BEANS
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I side with Tom and Ethan here. Older people will understand.