The reality is that every camera has its' shortcomings and its' inherent strengths. Canon clearly notes the limitation in shooting for prolonged times when using formats that are storage intense because of the data. Over the past 30 years with the advent of digital video, the ability to capture and store video images has required a large storage capacity. With that comes the issue of writing data to a storage device. We see these high data rates now and we do not appreciate that when the dv25 standard from almost 30 years ago, required roughly 3.5 megabytes for 1 second of video. Hard drives back then only had as much as one gigabyte of storage. Higher video quality equals higher data rates. Higher data rates equal greater writing of data to a storage card or device. Faster data recording equals higher heat generation. Pull out a card shortly after taking a moderate length video. The card can be pretty hot. Why bring this up? The mere fact that any of these digital cameras can capture this much data is truly amazing. These hybrid cameras were designed for use in a mixed environment. Canon did not hide the limitations. You had every opportunity to read the information prior to purchase, and then make your decision. The R5 Mark II is a decent camera. Yes, I found some annoying things like the hot shoe cover, but that is minor. The camera takes a decent shot, still or video. If you are truly concerned about having the highest quality video for the longest possible recording time, then get a dedicated video camera. Go buy an R5C, Sony FX6, or an Arri. There is no point in slamming either Canon or its' R5 Mark II. Yes, the R6 Mark II does an outstanding job with video as well. I have both cameras. I bought an R6 Mark II when I was considering dropping Nikon. I liked the R6M2 so much, I traded my Nikon gear for Canon. The R5M2 can film in 4K60p oversampled from 8k with the SRaw format. If you get an R5C, you get 8K60p capability. Yes, greater capabilities = greater cost. As for the limitations, the camera is just a tool. Maximize your work within the capabilities. Do not blame the gear. The reality is that most folks watching content, watch if for the information and entertainment value, and not for technical review. I have never had any client ever opine "If only you had shot this without line skipping", or say "If only you had taken this shot with a 45 megapixel camera with a fx.x lens." If your R5 Mark II disappoints you so much, take it to Goodwill and drop it off. I still remember the day I went to the zoo to take some pictures and as I was walking around, this little boy was saying to his mom "Could you take some pictures?" His mother only had a small flip phone with a limited camera. She did the best she could. Somewhere, the kid is probably looking back on those pictures from 10 years ago, happy as a clam remembering that day with his mom, even though the pictures are likely small, and may not have that high resolution. Moral of the story, be glad you could even afford to go take the photos or videos with that R5 Mark II.
Well said! My exact feelings too. I have never had a client complain about image quality or megapixels, even when I used to work on an old SL2 in 2021 😂 And higher price doesn’t always mean better like you said cause isn’t the R5C cheaper than the R5II? Btw if you watched the video you know I am not bashing Canon. I am highlighting potential dealbreakers for consumers looking at this camera. No camera is perfect, but damn this one is a great one. I also love my R6II and use it daily for my short form content. Thanks for the thoughtful comment. Cheers!
I'm probably going to upgrade from R5C to R5ii. The 4K60p on R5C isn't line skipped but after playing around with R5ii just use 4K60p in SRAW, very small file size for tack sharp 4K60p with RAW IQ. The overheating can be taken care of with the cooling grip which is essential for battery life anyways during long form content shooting. Didn't notice many bugs but surely firmware will fix those. Clog2 and SRAW are the game changers for me personally plus even superior AF. I do agree the price is up there though!
You’re right. I need to use the SRAW more tbh. I have heard that 4k60 is better than the standard one. You’ll love the R5II tbh. I love mine but figured some people would want to know the drawbacks :) cheers!
I own the R5 II, and I have no issues with the 4K/60p. However, I do shoot in SRAW. Which is razor sharp (Rivals the 8k 60, even upon close inspection). I honestly don’t understand why anyone would purchase this camera and not choose to shoot raw considering all the benefits. The raw coming from this camera just blows all the competition out of the water. There are many other options that offer great XF-AVC or other codecs. Also, there seems to be a firmware update coming to the R5 II that will add oversampled 4K to the compressed codecs. (Do not quote me, check the rumor mill for updates).
I have used the RAW a few times, I suppose I should just use the RAW 4k60 instead of the HEVC. Those damn files will be huge though 😂 but that’s the price for quality. Thanks for sharing :)
@@BrunoPozo4Real Don't try it bro! just say Canon bad and Sony good! be like every other RUclipsr! get your video self a Sony FX 30 and talk about how Canon doesn't have one of those! just bash Canon and use their name as clickbait like everyone else does without exploring the ins and outs of the cameras! if you bash them long enough, Sony will start sending you gear to make NON-bias reviews! Just set your canon cameras on auto mode for everything, don't use the new air flow grip that Canon forces you to purchase, and leave it on for 9 hours and talk about how hot it got! The A1 Mark 1 and 2 would never do that (actually they do have heating issues too, but let's ignore that and talk about Canon)! Sincerely yours! ~Canon Hater, Sony elevator!
I use the R5 Mk II for stills only. The R5c is a video camera, all the owners i know don't do video as well mostly Bif or sports and portrait, people say R5 is better sure try using the ES on it and you'll know the R5 Mk II superior than the previous model, definitely not for video but stills there's nothing quite like it.
For clarity I absolutely love the Canon R5 Mark II, especially for it’s amazing photo capabilities. The video features are also amazing, but with some drawbacks is all. I’ll be doing a video on why I love this camera next because it truly is special :) cheers!
Bruno, is there any indication that Canon will offer the R5c MKII soon? I'm considering buying the R5c, but if there are rumors that the R5c MKII could be released soon, I'd rather wait.
Canon Rumors is that a major firmware is coming in Feb but we shall see. I shoot this camera in the cold -25 C or colder and only had a problem with the batteries then again I should keep them warmer. Will test the camera in my home and see if it goes hot while doing video in 8k? You seem to quote the price alot and makes me wonder?
An update to fix bugs and add some features would be amazing! I hope they do it :) And I don’t go out in that cold so I can see the batteries dying haha makes sense. And what about the price makes you wonder?
A second comment about the $4300 price (and more if you need extra grip, batteries, etc.). If you are truly only a videographer, I agree this isn't worth it for you. But one thing that criticizing the $4300 price tag misses is all of the photography improvements it brings on. I paid $2500 back in the day for my R6mk2 (since sold to help buy the R5mk2) and I'd say the improvements I got on both photography (approx. 2/3 usage, including fast action sports and wildlife) and videos (1/3 usage) more than justify the price increase. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have paid only $3800 or $3500. I'm waiting until prices drop before getting a second body. But given Canon's historic pricing, the inflation rates we experienced over the last few years...if you're using this for both photography and videography, the price tag is pretty much in line with what you're getting.
This is true!! And that’s also why I still think this camera is worth it. The ability for photos is definitely amazing, and made me choose this over the C80 or C400.
@@BrunoPozo4Real It's easy to be just a photographer or just a videographer, but if you're a hybrid and you don't want to have separate sets of equipment, one for video and the other for photos, then you're in trouble with Canon. I believe the R6MKII is an ideal camera created by Canon, of course it lacks 4K120 or 150fps and maybe clog2, but then it would be another level camera. Canon has a chance to fix the R5MKII bug by releasing the R5cMKII. Who knows, maybe the R5MKII was intentionally released as a more photo-oriented camera, while the R5cMKII will be logically video-oriented. Really the only thing I'm waiting for is the R5cMKII and I have a good feeling that it could be the right thing for hybrid shooters.
@ i don’t even feel that’s unique to Canon- if you want to be hybrid Sony cameras either are better for photo or better for video (see FX30 or FX3 etc). But yeah they could have done better with this camera imo. Hopefully firmware comes out to improve it, but it is no deal breaker for me. It’s still a powerhouse of a camera.
@@BrunoPozo4Real I agree completely, but I still think that the R5II did not live up to expectations. I was waiting for that camera as a "big brother" to my R6II, but in the end I stayed with the R6II and I'm close to buying the R5c since the price is very favorable now. The more I use the R6II, the more I fall in love with that camera. Excellent for stills in low light, excellent 4K60 video, grate AF etc. and I have always said that it is by far the best camera in its price range.
I dont think the camera is lacking for video, it's actually pretty good but the overheating and lineskipping sucks but there aren't many or any 8k hybrids that downsample to 4k60. I like using the R3, R1, or r5c for that reason or I just use a cinema camera for video only projects.
I shoot the R6 ii & was considering upgrading to the R5 ii. I'm happy with my R6ii so decided not to. ... This video just reinforced my decision so thanks.
Dude the R6II is such a beast. And I still have mine so I love having the R5II and R6II combo. But having both I have come to really appreciate how good the R6II was. Good choice. Cheers
@@BrunoPozo4Real to be honest, R6II is so good as itself, that I dont expect revolution at all... just a small evolution. There is nothing much to upgrade :D
Make sure you’re in video mode. Then it’s in the first page of the red menu (camera icon) at the very bottom- it’s called Dual Shooting (still&movie) and then you just enable it and change settings as needed. Hope this helps.
When thy released R5II - I bought R5 (original one) - prices was dropping like crazy and that was right time to do it. Still is probably, because old R5 has 90% same features and most of same problems - even few less. So I dont understand why overpay - just for a better focusing screen and a bit better AF system? 8k 60 - dont need it at all.
Yeah it’s totally overkill this camera but I just like having the latest tech, I could finally afford it, and I was tired of Clog-3 lol. The R5 is a beast tho. And I bet you got an amazing deal cause the sales last year were crazy!!
I love my R6 Mark II for videos and photos. I just wish we could save camera settings to an sd card and that it included 4k 60 10-bit in standard mode.
Thank you. I only have had the R5 Mk II for about 3 weeks but admit I don’t do video. I’d rally be interested in any issues you may find about shooting stills. How does the R5 MK I compare for doing 4k/60. I ask because I was planning going forward to learn video where I know 4K/60 will become important. Take care.
You’re welcome :) The R5II is an amazing camera. I should have added more emphasis that I love mine and it’s because it’s amazing stills ability. As well as amazing video features. But for those doing video only/mainly, there may be better options is all :) I am not familiar with the R5 mark I so I can’t say. Maybe I’ll rent it one day to compare the two models
Why does a person need a 45 mp camera for video ?? The other video centric reviewer never said this. This camera rolling shutter is one third of R6M2. The issues are not very serious to most of the people if Canon fixes it in 3800usd. The only problem of this camera is it's price point. Overheating is also in Nikon Z8.
Well. It's a photo camera and photo centered with some great video features. I think a R5c would've been a better option for you or a c70. For photos this is a beast of a camera.
@ That is ultimately why I chose this camera and why I still enjoy it. But as a video focused camera there definitely are better options, and I did debate getting the C80 or C400. Great point :)
What people don’t get is that a photography camera is photography first and video second. If you will shoot shots then yes a photography or hybrid camera will do. If you aim to shoot a podcast for 30+ mins then get a video camera. It’s that simple, if you cannot afford high end cameras for long video shoots like an fx6 c300 markiii or anything in between, the better off getting a dedicated camcorder for longform videos. The business I work for was going to get 3 canon r8 with 24-105 lenses, a zoom lens, dummy batteries to shoot 4k videos for up an hour per take after a couple of directors who only shoot film and not into the broadcast system recommended the r8 even though nobody tried the r8 for such work. So I did my research and asked around to find out that it won’t work. Instead we got 3 canon xa55 camcorders. I was aiming for the xa75 but they needed up to a month to arrive after being imported so we ended up with the xa55. Not bad at all resolution. We would film 60 mins of canon 4k 25 AVC with 2 128 4k extreme pro sd cards and with larger batteries connected to the camera adapter. They never heated. So for podcasts you are better off going for a dedicated canon camcorder like the XF 505 or 705 or Sony alternative, which Panasonic, JVC, black magic design it’s or studio 4k, that does the job while keeping a mirrorless for just photos and short clips. I would also recommend you get an atem pro iso sdi if you can go with 1080p recording and streaming, but if u insist on 4k the you will need a 4k camera that sends 4k in the sdi output and a 4k switcher plus a hyperdeck and web presenter. It’s a hefty purchase but will be at least 7 years future proof before having to upgrade.
Great points. That is why I still love this camera btw, because it’s photo capabilities paired with the video capabilities make this so versatile and powerful. But as you mentioned, for video focused people there are better options out there for sure, and probably at a better price too. Cheers!
Suppose, in a future update, the R5ii would not do line skipping for an APS-C cropped 60p6K oversampled 4K. Would that allay your concerns about the poor quality for the 4K 60 video? The video clarity should be identical to the R6ii, under those circumstances, although you would have depth-of-field differences (and the dynamic range of the R6ii might be marginally better due to larger pixels).
Wrt to 4K60 being lineskipped instead of oversampled...I know Jared Hoyman did a video where he called in Canon Customer Service and was told that 4K60 SRAW was also line skipped, but he was dumbfounded by that answer because he found it to be very sharp. So I decided to test and shot some 4K60 SRAW in both standard and light compression, and after converting it using Premiere Pro to HEVC with a target rate of 50Mbps, I have to say it looks to my naked eye as sharp as the 4K30 Fine (which is oversampled) footage I shoot. Was the Canon reply incorrect? Or maybe does shooting in RAW preserve so much more detail that it overcomes the line skipping compromise vs. using a compressed codec (HEVC/AVC) and oversampling? I don't know, but the results sharpness-wise are indistinguishable to my eye. Yes it does add the extra encode step from SRAW to HEVC. And yes it's a much larger file size. But if you have already bought the R5mk2 and want the best quality 4K60, shooting in SRAW is the way to go.
I do think the SRAW 4K is sharper than the standard non-fine 4k. It is confusing though cause your right, apparently canon says that mode is lineskipped too. Hopefully this can be changed in a firmware update but I wouldn’t hold my breath :’)
@@BrunoPozo4Real Your comment about firmware got me curious. I never owned an R5. I just did a quick dive into the past firmwares of the R5 and found that 1.3.1 (released about 8 months after the R5 launch) added a whole host of things, like Canon Log 3, support for RAW movies in CL3 and RAW light, added 119.9/100fps to full HD recording, etc. So they do have a history of being able to add both codecs and shooting rates via firmware (and those firmware were around 50MB whereas R5mk2 firmware are over 250MB). So while I won't hold my breath, I also wouldn't say it's an impossibility, especially since the R6mk2 could do 4K60 oversampled (but lacked CLog 2 and a whole host of other features the R5ii has).
The last couple of months the camera has been approximately US$700 off it's RRP being available for US$3,400-$3,500 (at least here in Australia). This makes it close to or on par with the A7RV, cheaper than the Nikon Z8 and almost half the price of the Sony A1 II which to me makes it very good value for money particularly with its phenomenal photo specs.. I mean sure the RRP is higher, but let's deal with the reality, not the theoretical.
Damn I wish I got it during that sale cause I definitely think it’s a steal at that price. Especially once u consider the photo side, this video was mainly speaking to the video ONLY side. Cheers from Oregon :)
Does yours have an issue, that with IS lenses like the 15-35 or 24-70 f2.8, the footage looks jittery? Almost like there is no stabilisation? With non stabilised lenses paired with the body it's buttery smooth. I also experience the playback showing the 2nd most recent picture instead of the most recent
Surprisingly the IS does seem a little wonkier than it did on my R6II. I haven’t tested it directly between IS lenses and non-IS lenses (I have the 28-70 which has no IS). And yeah what a strange bug. I still love the camera but I can see these flaws being a deal breaker for some.
Always thanks Bruno for helpful info! I have one question about R6m2's 8bit 420 recording for 4k60p. It 's a bit discouraging for me as a beginner to know that R6m2 only supports 8bit 420 for linear 4k60p recording (when not using clog3 or hdrpq). Whereas R5m2 supports linear 422 10bit, though it's line-skipped in 4k60p as you mentioned in the video. If I don't usually color grade my video, would it make noticeable differences in terms of movie image quality for me to consider upgrade to R5m2?
That’s such a tough call. I do agree, having that 422 10 bit without log is super nice on the R5II, but I think if you are going to use the 4k60 a lot then it’s not worth it (imo). I have been reviewing my 4k60 footage from the R5II and it’s been disappointing to me. Especially at $4300 >.>
Depending on the sort of recording you do, you might want to see if the R6m2 transmits 4K10bit422 over HDMI even though it is not recording it. The ~US$600 atomos ninja will record that and 6K30 raw. The ~US$800 ninja ultra will record 6K60 raw, which the bhphoto page says that the r6ii will suply over HDMI.
I personally thought so, and luckily my content doesn’t rely on 4k60. So these drawbacks, while annoying, aren’t deal breakers for me. But it’s all up to the user tbh
@@westonestes ah ok. I just shoot in 24fps. I thought maybe sports, you're right. Wow, sure is a let down about the R5 Mark 2. Do you feel that maybe you should have waited a bit before purchase?
1. It does line skipping because it's a 45mp camera, not a 24mp camera like the r6, it does NOT overheat easy. 2. Recorded 4 hour straight yesterday while charging and no issues. It isn't a warning, it's a meter, and you obviously haven't turned on the high heat mode. Never used a fan or cooling grip. Sell me yours 3. Smokes every camera on the market with AF 4. Smokes every photo camera on the market 5. Learn to take photos. since you can't use it properly, or haven't read the manual.
1. Understood, I get why it does the lineskipping. But it can also downsample the 8k like it does for 4k24 and 4k30 in fine mode. I imagine it doesn’t do that for 4k60 due to overheating issues. 2. I have high heat mode on, it might just be the settings I am in and I leave the fan on Low if I use an on camera mic, and medium or high if it is an off camera microphone. 3. The AF is sick 4. I can’t say cause I am not familiar with all the cameras first hand. 5. I do take photos with this camera. This is actually why I still love the camera because it does amazing photos AND amazing video. The video simply speaks to video focused people who are looking into the camera and may have needs that this camera doesn’t fulfill. I love my R5II :)
Making a video on why not to buy this amazing camera is ridiculous, I do agree about 4K 60, the rest is all bullshit… just a guy that make some content cuz lacking some creativity other than speak bullsh… about a camera
@ this has been my personal experience with the camera as a fulltime filmmaker. And I am not telling people what to do, but sharing some information that might be dealbreakers for them. And to be clear I love this camera. That’s why I’m doing a follow up on the reasons why filmmakers should buy this camera (and hence why I did too 😇) cheers!
Do you! I ain’t here to control anyone’s purchases. And I still love mine and I even mention at the end of the video that my next video will be the reasons why filmmakers should get this camera ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. It’s all based on people’s needs at the end of the day, cheers!
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The reality is that every camera has its' shortcomings and its' inherent strengths. Canon clearly notes the limitation in shooting for prolonged times when using formats that are storage intense because of the data. Over the past 30 years with the advent of digital video, the ability to capture and store video images has required a large storage capacity. With that comes the issue of writing data to a storage device. We see these high data rates now and we do not appreciate that when the dv25 standard from almost 30 years ago, required roughly 3.5 megabytes for 1 second of video. Hard drives back then only had as much as one gigabyte of storage. Higher video quality equals higher data rates. Higher data rates equal greater writing of data to a storage card or device. Faster data recording equals higher heat generation. Pull out a card shortly after taking a moderate length video. The card can be pretty hot.
Why bring this up? The mere fact that any of these digital cameras can capture this much data is truly amazing. These hybrid cameras were designed for use in a mixed environment. Canon did not hide the limitations. You had every opportunity to read the information prior to purchase, and then make your decision. The R5 Mark II is a decent camera. Yes, I found some annoying things like the hot shoe cover, but that is minor. The camera takes a decent shot, still or video.
If you are truly concerned about having the highest quality video for the longest possible recording time, then get a dedicated video camera. Go buy an R5C, Sony FX6, or an Arri. There is no point in slamming either Canon or its' R5 Mark II. Yes, the R6 Mark II does an outstanding job with video as well. I have both cameras. I bought an R6 Mark II when I was considering dropping Nikon. I liked the R6M2 so much, I traded my Nikon gear for Canon. The R5M2 can film in 4K60p oversampled from 8k with the SRaw format. If you get an R5C, you get 8K60p capability. Yes, greater capabilities = greater cost.
As for the limitations, the camera is just a tool. Maximize your work within the capabilities. Do not blame the gear. The reality is that most folks watching content, watch if for the information and entertainment value, and not for technical review. I have never had any client ever opine "If only you had shot this without line skipping", or say "If only you had taken this shot with a 45 megapixel camera with a fx.x lens."
If your R5 Mark II disappoints you so much, take it to Goodwill and drop it off. I still remember the day I went to the zoo to take some pictures and as I was walking around, this little boy was saying to his mom "Could you take some pictures?"
His mother only had a small flip phone with a limited camera. She did the best she could. Somewhere, the kid is probably looking back on those pictures from 10 years ago, happy as a clam remembering that day with his mom, even though the pictures are likely small, and may not have that high resolution. Moral of the story, be glad you could even afford to go take the photos or videos with that R5 Mark II.
Well said! My exact feelings too. I have never had a client complain about image quality or megapixels, even when I used to work on an old SL2 in 2021 😂
And higher price doesn’t always mean better like you said cause isn’t the R5C cheaper than the R5II?
Btw if you watched the video you know I am not bashing Canon. I am highlighting potential dealbreakers for consumers looking at this camera.
No camera is perfect, but damn this one is a great one. I also love my R6II and use it daily for my short form content.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment. Cheers!
I'm probably going to upgrade from R5C to R5ii. The 4K60p on R5C isn't line skipped but after playing around with R5ii just use 4K60p in SRAW, very small file size for tack sharp 4K60p with RAW IQ. The overheating can be taken care of with the cooling grip which is essential for battery life anyways during long form content shooting. Didn't notice many bugs but surely firmware will fix those. Clog2 and SRAW are the game changers for me personally plus even superior AF. I do agree the price is up there though!
You’re right. I need to use the SRAW more tbh. I have heard that 4k60 is better than the standard one.
You’ll love the R5II tbh. I love mine but figured some people would want to know the drawbacks :) cheers!
@@fotomaton7852 yes ur correct 👌
I own the R5 II, and I have no issues with the 4K/60p. However, I do shoot in SRAW. Which is razor sharp (Rivals the 8k 60, even upon close inspection). I honestly don’t understand why anyone would purchase this camera and not choose to shoot raw considering all the benefits. The raw coming from this camera just blows all the competition out of the water. There are many other options that offer great XF-AVC or other codecs.
Also, there seems to be a firmware update coming to the R5 II that will add oversampled 4K to the compressed codecs. (Do not quote me, check the rumor mill for updates).
I have used the RAW a few times, I suppose I should just use the RAW 4k60 instead of the HEVC.
Those damn files will be huge though 😂 but that’s the price for quality.
Thanks for sharing :)
@@BrunoPozo4Real I'll rather take the 8K60p with NRaw from Nikon Z8... Butter.
@ that must be sick
@@BrunoPozo4Real Don't try it bro! just say Canon bad and Sony good! be like every other RUclipsr! get your video self a Sony FX 30 and talk about how Canon doesn't have one of those! just bash Canon and use their name as clickbait like everyone else does without exploring the ins and outs of the cameras! if you bash them long enough, Sony will start sending you gear to make NON-bias reviews! Just set your canon cameras on auto mode for everything, don't use the new air flow grip that Canon forces you to purchase, and leave it on for 9 hours and talk about how hot it got! The A1 Mark 1 and 2 would never do that (actually they do have heating issues too, but let's ignore that and talk about Canon)!
Sincerely yours!
~Canon Hater, Sony elevator!
@ 😂😂😂
I use the R5 Mk II for stills only. The R5c is a video camera, all the owners i know don't do video as well mostly Bif or sports and portrait, people say R5 is better sure try using the ES on it and you'll know the R5 Mk II superior than the previous model, definitely not for video but stills there's nothing quite like it.
For clarity I absolutely love the Canon R5 Mark II, especially for it’s amazing photo capabilities. The video features are also amazing, but with some drawbacks is all.
I’ll be doing a video on why I love this camera next because it truly is special :) cheers!
Bruno, is there any indication that Canon will offer the R5c MKII soon? I'm considering buying the R5c, but if there are rumors that the R5c MKII could be released soon, I'd rather wait.
I have no clue, It hasn’t shown up on Canon Rumors or anything.
Canon Rumors is that a major firmware is coming in Feb but we shall see. I shoot this camera in the cold -25 C or colder and only had a problem with the batteries then again I should keep them warmer. Will test the camera in my home and see if it goes hot while doing video in 8k? You seem to quote the price alot and makes me wonder?
An update to fix bugs and add some features would be amazing! I hope they do it :)
And I don’t go out in that cold so I can see the batteries dying haha makes sense.
And what about the price makes you wonder?
A second comment about the $4300 price (and more if you need extra grip, batteries, etc.). If you are truly only a videographer, I agree this isn't worth it for you. But one thing that criticizing the $4300 price tag misses is all of the photography improvements it brings on. I paid $2500 back in the day for my R6mk2 (since sold to help buy the R5mk2) and I'd say the improvements I got on both photography (approx. 2/3 usage, including fast action sports and wildlife) and videos (1/3 usage) more than justify the price increase. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have paid only $3800 or $3500. I'm waiting until prices drop before getting a second body. But given Canon's historic pricing, the inflation rates we experienced over the last few years...if you're using this for both photography and videography, the price tag is pretty much in line with what you're getting.
This is true!! And that’s also why I still think this camera is worth it. The ability for photos is definitely amazing, and made me choose this over the C80 or C400.
@@BrunoPozo4Real It's easy to be just a photographer or just a videographer, but if you're a hybrid and you don't want to have separate sets of equipment, one for video and the other for photos, then you're in trouble with Canon.
I believe the R6MKII is an ideal camera created by Canon, of course it lacks 4K120 or 150fps and maybe clog2, but then it would be another level camera.
Canon has a chance to fix the R5MKII bug by releasing the R5cMKII. Who knows, maybe the R5MKII was intentionally released as a more photo-oriented camera, while the R5cMKII will be logically video-oriented.
Really the only thing I'm waiting for is the R5cMKII and I have a good feeling that it could be the right thing for hybrid shooters.
@ i don’t even feel that’s unique to Canon- if you want to be hybrid Sony cameras either are better for photo or better for video (see FX30 or FX3 etc).
But yeah they could have done better with this camera imo. Hopefully firmware comes out to improve it, but it is no deal breaker for me. It’s still a powerhouse of a camera.
@@BrunoPozo4Real I agree completely, but I still think that the R5II did not live up to expectations. I was waiting for that camera as a "big brother" to my R6II, but in the end I stayed with the R6II and I'm close to buying the R5c since the price is very favorable now.
The more I use the R6II, the more I fall in love with that camera. Excellent for stills in low light, excellent 4K60 video, grate AF etc. and I have always said that it is by far the best camera in its price range.
@GoGYR I completely agree with you man. It's the little camera that could haha. Especially at that price point ugh
This is why I love my R5C even more. The R5 Ii cooling grips is a mimick. Stop wasting your $600 on top of the $4300.
$400* at least in the US
And yeah man it’s a damn shame that I needed it lol.
The 4k60 is better when cropped. Still sucks that you have to do that. Compared to a A1II this camera is a steal though.
Does it not line skip when in crop mode?
I suppose that is a decent work around.
I dont think the camera is lacking for video, it's actually pretty good but the overheating and lineskipping sucks but there aren't many or any 8k hybrids that downsample to 4k60. I like using the R3, R1, or r5c for that reason or I just use a cinema camera for video only projects.
This is true. It’s still a powerhouse, but I think depending on your needs it may fall short. EG 4k60 and long form content
The Nikon Z8 oversamples 4k60p
@ that’s how it should be!
I shoot the R6 ii & was considering upgrading to the R5 ii. I'm happy with my R6ii so decided not to. ... This video just reinforced my decision so thanks.
Dude the R6II is such a beast.
And I still have mine so I love having the R5II and R6II combo. But having both I have come to really appreciate how good the R6II was.
Good choice. Cheers
@@BrunoPozo4Real I have best combo possible - R5 and R6II... Will stay like that for next 3-5 years probably... Will see what R6III brings.
@@UlricWolf I am so excited for R6III, I love my R6II so I can only hope the Mark III will be epic!
@@BrunoPozo4Real to be honest, R6II is so good as itself, that I dont expect revolution at all... just a small evolution. There is nothing much to upgrade :D
Question. I read that you can take photos while taking video with the R5ii ! How can I do that? Is there a setting in the camera for that ?
Make sure you’re in video mode. Then it’s in the first page of the red menu (camera icon) at the very bottom- it’s called Dual Shooting (still&movie) and then you just enable it and change settings as needed.
Hope this helps.
When thy released R5II - I bought R5 (original one) - prices was dropping like crazy and that was right time to do it. Still is probably, because old R5 has 90% same features and most of same problems - even few less. So I dont understand why overpay - just for a better focusing screen and a bit better AF system? 8k 60 - dont need it at all.
Yeah it’s totally overkill this camera but I just like having the latest tech, I could finally afford it, and I was tired of Clog-3 lol.
The R5 is a beast tho. And I bet you got an amazing deal cause the sales last year were crazy!!
i own a R5 and a r6mii & the c70 , definitely skipping the r5mii and waiting on the r6 mii , as i hope they will introduce clog 2 with it
I assume you mean the release of R6III, and Yes!! I cannot wait either, if it gets clog-2 I would be so happy
I love my R6 Mark II for videos and photos. I just wish we could save camera settings to an sd card and that it included 4k 60 10-bit in standard mode.
If the R6II had 10-bit standard it’s be my go to still. I still got mine as a B-cam though
Still on my dual R6II bodies. But may upgrade to R6III tho and trade in if its indeed better...hmm
I am super excited to see what the R6III will have. I absolutely love my R6II so if it’s anything like that I’ll be happy
Thank you. I only have had the R5 Mk II for about 3 weeks but admit I don’t do video. I’d rally be interested in any issues you may find about shooting stills. How does the R5 MK I compare for doing 4k/60. I ask because I was planning going forward to learn video where I know 4K/60 will become important. Take care.
You’re welcome :)
The R5II is an amazing camera. I should have added more emphasis that I love mine and it’s because it’s amazing stills ability. As well as amazing video features. But for those doing video only/mainly, there may be better options is all :)
I am not familiar with the R5 mark I so I can’t say. Maybe I’ll rent it one day to compare the two models
What tripod and fluid head is that at 1:25
It’s the Smallrig Freeblazer AD-80 tripod.
Here’s a link if you’re interested: amzn.to/4gyevFz
Great upload VRA family 👍👍
Oh thank you! I appreciate the VRA fam showing up :)
Why does a person need a 45 mp camera for video ?? The other video centric reviewer never said this. This camera rolling shutter is one third of R6M2. The issues are not very serious to most of the people if Canon fixes it in 3800usd. The only problem of this camera is it's price point. Overheating is also in Nikon Z8.
I didn’t buy the camera for its MP, just for the video features it happens to have.
Well. It's a photo camera and photo centered with some great video features. I think a R5c would've been a better option for you or a c70. For photos this is a beast of a camera.
@ That is ultimately why I chose this camera and why I still enjoy it.
But as a video focused camera there definitely are better options, and I did debate getting the C80 or C400.
Great point :)
The R3 and probably the R1 would challenge your statement on r6mii 4k60 being the best.
Maybe, I am super curious about both of those cameras. Do you have either of them, and if so, do you have a preference?
I just got the r3 and sold my r6mii. It's hard for me to answer that question because I just bought it and I am still in the love everything phase.
@ fair enough haha, that new camera love phase is my favorite :)
@@anthonyk27the r3 should be better because it as all-i 4k 60 where the R6 only has ipb
What people don’t get is that a photography camera is photography first and video second. If you will shoot shots then yes a photography or hybrid camera will do. If you aim to shoot a podcast for 30+ mins then get a video camera. It’s that simple, if you cannot afford high end cameras for long video shoots like an fx6 c300 markiii or anything in between, the better off getting a dedicated camcorder for longform videos.
The business I work for was going to get 3 canon r8 with 24-105 lenses, a zoom lens, dummy batteries to shoot 4k videos for up an hour per take after a couple of directors who only shoot film and not into the broadcast system recommended the r8 even though nobody tried the r8 for such work.
So I did my research and asked around to find out that it won’t work. Instead we got 3 canon xa55 camcorders. I was aiming for the xa75 but they needed up to a month to arrive after being imported so we ended up with the xa55. Not bad at all resolution. We would film 60 mins of canon 4k 25 AVC with 2 128 4k extreme pro sd cards and with larger batteries connected to the camera adapter. They never heated. So for podcasts you are better off going for a dedicated canon camcorder like the XF 505 or 705 or Sony alternative, which Panasonic, JVC, black magic design it’s or studio 4k, that does the job while keeping a mirrorless for just photos and short clips.
I would also recommend you get an atem pro iso sdi if you can go with 1080p recording and streaming, but if u insist on 4k the you will need a 4k camera that sends 4k in the sdi output and a 4k switcher plus a hyperdeck and web presenter. It’s a hefty purchase but will be at least 7 years future proof before having to upgrade.
Great points. That is why I still love this camera btw, because it’s photo capabilities paired with the video capabilities make this so versatile and powerful.
But as you mentioned, for video focused people there are better options out there for sure, and probably at a better price too.
Cheers!
You are talking BS. Then Why all of there video features. Give me simply same sensor photo camera for half price.
@@UlricWolf I'm not sure I understand you here. What did I BS about specifically?
@ not You, but Kamal.
Suppose, in a future update, the R5ii would not do line skipping for an APS-C cropped 60p6K oversampled 4K. Would that allay your concerns about the poor quality for the 4K 60 video? The video clarity should be identical to the R6ii, under those circumstances, although you would have depth-of-field differences (and the dynamic range of the R6ii might be marginally better due to larger pixels).
No cause it’s annoying to lose my intended FOV. It’d be a nice work around for sure tho if I really wanted that sharp 4k
Wrt to 4K60 being lineskipped instead of oversampled...I know Jared Hoyman did a video where he called in Canon Customer Service and was told that 4K60 SRAW was also line skipped, but he was dumbfounded by that answer because he found it to be very sharp. So I decided to test and shot some 4K60 SRAW in both standard and light compression, and after converting it using Premiere Pro to HEVC with a target rate of 50Mbps, I have to say it looks to my naked eye as sharp as the 4K30 Fine (which is oversampled) footage I shoot. Was the Canon reply incorrect? Or maybe does shooting in RAW preserve so much more detail that it overcomes the line skipping compromise vs. using a compressed codec (HEVC/AVC) and oversampling? I don't know, but the results sharpness-wise are indistinguishable to my eye. Yes it does add the extra encode step from SRAW to HEVC. And yes it's a much larger file size. But if you have already bought the R5mk2 and want the best quality 4K60, shooting in SRAW is the way to go.
I do think the SRAW 4K is sharper than the standard non-fine 4k. It is confusing though cause your right, apparently canon says that mode is lineskipped too.
Hopefully this can be changed in a firmware update but I wouldn’t hold my breath :’)
@@BrunoPozo4Real Your comment about firmware got me curious. I never owned an R5. I just did a quick dive into the past firmwares of the R5 and found that 1.3.1 (released about 8 months after the R5 launch) added a whole host of things, like Canon Log 3, support for RAW movies in CL3 and RAW light, added 119.9/100fps to full HD recording, etc. So they do have a history of being able to add both codecs and shooting rates via firmware (and those firmware were around 50MB whereas R5mk2 firmware are over 250MB). So while I won't hold my breath, I also wouldn't say it's an impossibility, especially since the R6mk2 could do 4K60 oversampled (but lacked CLog 2 and a whole host of other features the R5ii has).
@ that’s exactly what I hope for!! Fingers crossed :)
The last couple of months the camera has been approximately US$700 off it's RRP being available for US$3,400-$3,500 (at least here in Australia). This makes it close to or on par with the A7RV, cheaper than the Nikon Z8 and almost half the price of the Sony A1 II which to me makes it very good value for money particularly with its phenomenal photo specs.. I mean sure the RRP is higher, but let's deal with the reality, not the theoretical.
Damn I wish I got it during that sale cause I definitely think it’s a steal at that price. Especially once u consider the photo side, this video was mainly speaking to the video ONLY side. Cheers from Oregon :)
Does yours have an issue, that with IS lenses like the 15-35 or 24-70 f2.8, the footage looks jittery? Almost like there is no stabilisation? With non stabilised lenses paired with the body it's buttery smooth. I also experience the playback showing the 2nd most recent picture instead of the most recent
Surprisingly the IS does seem a little wonkier than it did on my R6II. I haven’t tested it directly between IS lenses and non-IS lenses (I have the 28-70 which has no IS).
And yeah what a strange bug. I still love the camera but I can see these flaws being a deal breaker for some.
Always thanks Bruno for helpful info! I have one question about R6m2's 8bit 420 recording for 4k60p. It 's a bit discouraging for me as a beginner to know that R6m2 only supports 8bit 420 for linear 4k60p recording (when not using clog3 or hdrpq). Whereas R5m2 supports linear 422 10bit, though it's line-skipped in 4k60p as you mentioned in the video. If I don't usually color grade my video, would it make noticeable differences in terms of movie image quality for me to consider upgrade to R5m2?
That’s such a tough call. I do agree, having that 422 10 bit without log is super nice on the R5II, but I think if you are going to use the 4k60 a lot then it’s not worth it (imo).
I have been reviewing my 4k60 footage from the R5II and it’s been disappointing to me.
Especially at $4300 >.>
Depending on the sort of recording you do, you might want to see if the R6m2 transmits 4K10bit422 over HDMI even though it is not recording it. The ~US$600 atomos ninja will record that and 6K30 raw. The ~US$800 ninja ultra will record 6K60 raw, which the bhphoto page says that the r6ii will suply over HDMI.
@ this is true. But then it becomes a whole setup that needs more money and equipment.
Wait just a sec. It will be 4k60 HQ. Problem solved.
What do you mean? There is no “fine” or HQ mode for 4k 60 on the R5Ii
@@BrunoPozo4Real It will be, soon. Maybe on next firmware update.
@@cristirenault oh I understand sorry. Yes I am really hoping that is the case in the future :)
What video rig do u use do you use a monitor
No rig on my R5II yet. I want to find the right one that can fit the battery grip as well
Clog2 worth it
I personally thought so, and luckily my content doesn’t rely on 4k60. So these drawbacks, while annoying, aren’t deal breakers for me. But it’s all up to the user tbh
What situations call for shooting in 4k 60?
Two I use and know of is real estate interior and sports shots
Exactly what Weston said, but more specifically 60fps is used for creating slow motion shots, or for certain content types like sports etc.
@@westonestes ah ok. I just shoot in 24fps. I thought maybe sports, you're right. Wow, sure is a let down about the R5 Mark 2. Do you feel that maybe you should have waited a bit before purchase?
you should get a R5c
So I’m told, but I ain’t going back to C-log 3. If I get another camera it would be the C80 or C400
This camera is definitely not for filmmakers. Just for people who are inspiring to be one.
That’s fair. And if they also want to take amazing photos with their camera outside of just video :)
@ yes love the input but I know most canon users are always mad about anything negative lol
@@Framesbyfrisby haha is that our repuation as Canon shooters? 😅 oopsie lol. Maybe I can change that
My option for 'shoot stills while doing video' is gone!
The R5II has this ability. What camera were you referring to?
1. It does line skipping because it's a 45mp camera, not a 24mp camera like the r6, it does NOT overheat easy.
2. Recorded 4 hour straight yesterday while charging and no issues. It isn't a warning, it's a meter, and you obviously haven't turned on the high heat mode. Never used a fan or cooling grip. Sell me yours
3. Smokes every camera on the market with AF
4. Smokes every photo camera on the market
5. Learn to take photos.
since you can't use it properly, or haven't read the manual.
1. Understood, I get why it does the lineskipping. But it can also downsample the 8k like it does for 4k24 and 4k30 in fine mode. I imagine it doesn’t do that for 4k60 due to overheating issues.
2. I have high heat mode on, it might just be the settings I am in and I leave the fan on Low if I use an on camera mic, and medium or high if it is an off camera microphone.
3. The AF is sick
4. I can’t say cause I am not familiar with all the cameras first hand.
5. I do take photos with this camera.
This is actually why I still love the camera because it does amazing photos AND amazing video. The video simply speaks to video focused people who are looking into the camera and may have needs that this camera doesn’t fulfill.
I love my R5II :)
I just sold my CANON EOS C80 to swap it for an R5 MII. THe C80 is just so bad! :-(
Really?! That’s rough. What made it so bad for you?
Dude doesn’t even have the camera he doesn’t know what he’s talking about
What gave you that impression? I’ve had the camera for 4 months now and I intend to keep it :)
Making a video on why not to buy this amazing camera is ridiculous, I do agree about 4K 60, the rest is all bullshit… just a guy that make some content cuz lacking some creativity other than speak bullsh… about a camera
@ this has been my personal experience with the camera as a fulltime filmmaker.
And I am not telling people what to do, but sharing some information that might be dealbreakers for them.
And to be clear I love this camera. That’s why I’m doing a follow up on the reasons why filmmakers should buy this camera (and hence why I did too 😇) cheers!
Nice clickbait bro, but I got 7 of them and they are epic
Do you! I ain’t here to control anyone’s purchases. And I still love mine and I even mention at the end of the video that my next video will be the reasons why filmmakers should get this camera ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. It’s all based on people’s needs at the end of the day, cheers!