I just bought a car with a little enchilada, adaptronics ECU, and some other stuff, the only thing is that it can't pass emissions through OBD with an aftermarket ECU so I'll have to put a stock ECU on (which I don't have) and then pair it to the immobilizer and run a stock tune to pass emissions then pull it all out and go back to my tuned ECU... What a pain
You are the luckiest guy when it comes to MS i swear lol. Every MS I have installed on a Miata with the base map would not start and required adjustments to the fuel map and cranking pulses to start. I was looking forward to seeing how you would tackle this issue as there isn't a good tutorial or video on how a person new to tuning would even get to the point where the car will run to set base timing. For anyone who is considering installing an MS just know that for some people the car will not start and you will likely need an extra day or two on top of the install to get it running.
You can save that input you used and take the stock o2 sensor (upstream), cut the pigtail off stock sensor, and solder the 0-5v from your controller to the pigtail (should be one of the black or blue wires). Then just plug it in to the stock location and leave the ego input option back to what it was and should work and save that option pin. What I did for my NB and it works.
I'm glad it turned into a tuning video. All of this setup stuff with calibration, tweaks, that's the stuff that makes me wish this video existed when I did my ECU install. Thanks Greg!
14:00 - Had this same problem with my NA. When I figured out where the mark was, I wondered how my car was running with ignition @ 120° after TDC. If your pulley is slipping, replace it ASAP. That shit can fly off at high RPM and do some damage.
Yup I have a 94 that I swear isn’t pushing 94 horses is it’s even got 90. But DAMN is she still fun in the twisties. I would be ecstatic if I can get 150-180 somehow.
There's another black box beside the yellow one that dropped down at about 2:26. I was unable to dislodge it, so I snapped the plastic rail that holds it to the bracket, and then zip tied both it and the yellow box to the top of the steering column. Your instructions, by the way, on the O2 sensor connection, were far clearer than the documentation that came with my MS. Thank-you!
Got an '04 MSM. Did similar mods within the last 6mo. RX8 420 injectors ($25 ea and plug-n-play), MSPro, and Wideband. The car already had FM Lil Enchilada (downpipe w/ cat, exhaust, and larger intercooler...which is a must to reduce heat soak effects IMO). Tuned on 93 got 243whp on a dynojet. Looking to avoid squishy rods! ;-) The redline was increased but the teeny-tiny stock turbo limits usable power above 6500 anyway. And the MSM doesn't appear to have an OEM Wideband.
I'm surprised raising the RPM limit wasn't brought up in the video. Disregarding the power, just the stretch in time you get staying in a gear makes it seems worth doing with the yoga pants tight 4.10 rear end the car has.
That one little detail you decided to include helped this process FINALLY make sense to me. I could not figure out how the wideband was supposed to communicate with the ecu
@@TheCarPassionChannel the fc is also my favourite as I think the fd is just overrated at this point but I got a na 1.6 and the vvt swap will be completed and ready to tune next month hopefully, so my next project is an fc with a 13b big turbo, just need your tutorial to follow 😉 please take the hint 😉
I’ve just gotta day I’m so happy you’re uploading again. I’m 1/6 of the way (financially) of ordering my turbo goodies. I can’t wait to join the boosted Miata life. Your channel has been so inspiring.
Great video, getting ls3 coils installed on my MSM. It did 230 whp on 12.6 lbs on E85. I think I will be very close to your 2554 before you did the wheel upgrade.
Back at that time Toyotas and some germans were really the only ones I can remember using "Wideband's" and they called them Air Fuel Ratio sensors instead of just labeling them O2 sensors. Mazda speed guys definitely still want to use a wideband!
I don't have a Mazda but, I do have a Megasquirt in my Turbo Coupe Ford Thunderbird. I've been following your channel for all the killer MS tricks you spill! keep up the good work!
I’ve been waiting for someone to upload a video like this, I have a 04 msm and have been eager to install ms and will do this very very soon. Thanks for the vid
Yo, I just got a Mazdaspeed miata and im hoping to get fuel injectors and the ecu like you did and I was just wondering if this tutorial would still be a good tutorial to follow and that everything will work. The video is only 5 years old so id assume that it would still work just wanna be sure. Thank you! Also, 40PSI sounds insane. I was hoping to push more boost also when I get a boost gauge kit. Its my daily driver for school and life and everything so how much PSI do you think I could push safely for a daily and safely for the stock turbo.
I would love to see a 1.8 diff swapped over to an rx7 clutch pack. There are a couple of videos about it but Greg does it better! Might fall on deaf ears. I know he has plans for a cadi rear end already and I just watched the rx7 carrier swap.
5:05 Wait that's it?????? I have an SR20DET i've been trying to get started, i have a base map from the website they told me to get the base map tune and when i go and load it i got that error message and i thought i had to search for the right update. All i had to do was accept it and it should start right up. Bruh i feel so dumb. . . . Silly me, well im going to try it out soon and see if my 240sx starts right up. . .
How did you learn how to tune a car? Where can I learn it to not breake something right after ECU swap? It would be soo nice if you could do a full tutorial for dummies about street tuning someday :D
Hey Greg, wondering what your opinion on "fast forward superchargers" is. And more specifically your opinion with superchargers on miatas in general if you have any experience with them and such. Everyone always talks about turbos so i would love to hear your opinion, maybe even a video, on the topic. ^_^
Hey Greg, I have a 07 NC. When I speak to the different Miata guys. No one ever seams to know anything about the NC. Like it’s the red headed stepchild of the Miata world. I personally think it has the best looking body when you have the hardtop. I have been trying to find a good group of Miata guys to help me get this thing back on the road. I’m in the DFW area of Texas. Do you have suggestions?
NC specific Facebook groups will probably be your best bet, to meet people online that can help out. I'm not sure of anyone in that area specifically though
when you put in the new pulley, did you have to align it somehow first to get the timing marks right? Wasn't sure because when I did my timing belt job I just put the pulley back on I didn't align it ... but yes, the timing sprocket I did align correctly and the motor is timed correctly. I don't think this step was explained in previous videos. Thanks for sharing the knowledge to the miata community, Greg.
There is some kind of dowel that only lets the damper go on a certain way. if your timing gear was installed correctly but your timing marks are way off either your ignition timing is actually off or you may have a slipped pulley. manually crank the engine to top dead center at cylinder 1 and see if the timing marks on your crank damper line up correctly with the ones on the plastic timing cover, that's the surefire way to know.
Hi Greg I am building a trike with a 1996 mx 5 in . on the top i have t d 04 turbo ( manifold reversed) I want to instal Mega skirt ECU it’s 1.6 engine .I would like some advice from the expert if possible !! S Devon U K
Or just don't always sit on the 2 step. Plenty of people have 2 step and use it with stock rods just fine. Something wasn't right. Might've been too aggressive. Might've been you sat on it too long. Etc who knows.
Also, no way that virtual dyno was right at all. MSMs make 220whp easily all day and a few of us have made 250 on e85. We tend to make around 200whp on 10psi so that virtual dyno is way off.
Stock exhaust will choke it up bit, it won't hit 220 on it. But the VD could be off if they got the weight wrong. Especially with two of them in the car
i am looking for a used 1.9 94-97 miata engine with low miles for a resonable price any one knows where to get one ? jdm importers are always sold out and everyone wants over 1200 dollars please help ?
Moral of the story is start fresh with a 01-05 vvt. Any current turbo kit on the market is better than MSM oem. All said and done you'd still be saving money and have vvt.
Greg Peters. Aka the Taco Tuner. Just bring him some Mexican foldy-boys and he’ll give you that mustang killing sauce.
The MSM does not have a wideband. As the suggestion below said, Use the old O2 pigtail for the power and sensor. I did that and used the stock wiring.
Can confirm, the msm has a narrow band oem oxygen sensor.
To add another 2c - the MSM is narrowband-only per factory assembly.
"Two flat head screwdrivers or beast fingers" made me spit up my coffee 2.30
Lmaooo that's how we do
HOLY SH*T THANK YOU!!!! I just bought my first mazdaspeed miata a few weeks ago, and this was one of my first planned mods!!
I would recommend you to join one of those Facebook groups for the MSM those guys know everything about MSMs..... 👍
Miata.net seems to be the best forum for MSM. I think that they have the archives for a defunct MSM forum also.
I just bought a car with a little enchilada, adaptronics ECU, and some other stuff, the only thing is that it can't pass emissions through OBD with an aftermarket ECU so I'll have to put a stock ECU on (which I don't have) and then pair it to the immobilizer and run a stock tune to pass emissions then pull it all out and go back to my tuned ECU... What a pain
You are the luckiest guy when it comes to MS i swear lol. Every MS I have installed on a Miata with the base map would not start and required adjustments to the fuel map and cranking pulses to start. I was looking forward to seeing how you would tackle this issue as there isn't a good tutorial or video on how a person new to tuning would even get to the point where the car will run to set base timing. For anyone who is considering installing an MS just know that for some people the car will not start and you will likely need an extra day or two on top of the install to get it running.
thank you for this valuable comment.
i am in the middle of cleaning the house! , some people are gonna be mad but am gonna be happy for this 22min 😭 thanks greg!
You can save that input you used and take the stock o2 sensor (upstream), cut the pigtail off stock sensor, and solder the 0-5v from your controller to the pigtail (should be one of the black or blue wires). Then just plug it in to the stock location and leave the ego input option back to what it was and should work and save that option pin. What I did for my NB and it works.
I'm glad it turned into a tuning video. All of this setup stuff with calibration, tweaks, that's the stuff that makes me wish this video existed when I did my ECU install.
Thanks Greg!
"Where the rods start to get squishy"🤣🤣🤣🤣 I love that
14:00 - Had this same problem with my NA. When I figured out where the mark was, I wondered how my car was running with ignition @ 120° after TDC. If your pulley is slipping, replace it ASAP. That shit can fly off at high RPM and do some damage.
Where did you buy the new pulley? Same thing is happening with my 94’ NA and I’m looking for a new pulley
On a stock NA I may need to get a CPC decal. I need all the HP I can get!
Yup I have a 94 that I swear isn’t pushing 94 horses is it’s even got 90. But DAMN is she still fun in the twisties. I would be ecstatic if I can get 150-180 somehow.
There's another black box beside the yellow one that dropped down at about 2:26. I was unable to dislodge it, so I snapped the plastic rail that holds it to the bracket, and then zip tied both it and the yellow box to the top of the steering column. Your instructions, by the way, on the O2 sensor connection, were far clearer than the documentation that came with my MS. Thank-you!
I was feeling down and then you released a new video, I can't describe how happy that makes me. Thanks for that
No problem my dude hope you have a great day!
@@TheCarPassionChannel hopefully, can't wait for more vids
Got an '04 MSM. Did similar mods within the last 6mo. RX8 420 injectors ($25 ea and plug-n-play), MSPro, and Wideband. The car already had FM Lil Enchilada (downpipe w/ cat, exhaust, and larger intercooler...which is a must to reduce heat soak effects IMO). Tuned on 93 got 243whp on a dynojet. Looking to avoid squishy rods! ;-) The redline was increased but the teeny-tiny stock turbo limits usable power above 6500 anyway. And the MSM doesn't appear to have an OEM Wideband.
How much boost for that much power? Got any dyno sheets?
I'm surprised raising the RPM limit wasn't brought up in the video. Disregarding the power, just the stretch in time you get staying in a gear makes it seems worth doing with the yoga pants tight 4.10 rear end the car has.
I'm thinking of getting a miata and your videos are helping that decision allot. Your channel is one of my favorites
Remember the days of factory ECU tuning ,piggybacks and daughterboards?
Now you can just buy a ecu and plug up your laptop and have fun
Project Miranda Yeah I understand when the ECU cost more than my car i start to question things
That one little detail you decided to include helped this process FINALLY make sense to me. I could not figure out how the wideband was supposed to communicate with the ecu
You should definitely get an rx7, even an fc would be amazing watching you master it the same as the mx5
If I get an RX7 it will be my favorite chassis, which of course is the FC.
@@TheCarPassionChannel the fc is also my favourite as I think the fd is just overrated at this point but I got a na 1.6 and the vvt swap will be completed and ready to tune next month hopefully, so my next project is an fc with a 13b big turbo, just need your tutorial to follow 😉 please take the hint 😉
@@TheCarPassionChannel Dooooo itttttt, I got a friend who as one and I kinda want it. Selling it for 1200. Completely stock and mint.
I’ve just gotta day I’m so happy you’re uploading again. I’m 1/6 of the way (financially) of ordering my turbo goodies. I can’t wait to join the boosted Miata life. Your channel has been so inspiring.
Shhhhhh....there is a new car passion channel video. Must watch.
Thank you Greg Peter's, your attention to detail and persistence inspired me to build that Miata right, and it started yesterday!!
Great video, getting ls3 coils installed on my MSM. It did 230 whp on 12.6 lbs on E85. I think I will be very close to your 2554 before you did the wheel upgrade.
I have just hit 250 whp and 247 tq after installing ls3 coil packs ,and 36/1 trigger wheel .
greg the miata guru killing it .
Back at that time Toyotas and some germans were really the only ones I can remember using "Wideband's" and they called them Air Fuel Ratio sensors instead of just labeling them O2 sensors. Mazda speed guys definitely still want to use a wideband!
I don't have a Mazda but, I do have a Megasquirt in my Turbo Coupe Ford Thunderbird. I've been following your channel for all the killer MS tricks you spill! keep up the good work!
Got another one coming soon 😃
My 2004 Speed is in need of some upgrades and your channel is pointing the way! Thank you!!
Sheesh! Greg! You are The Wizard! Excellent stuff. I bet you have endless friends needing their Miatas tweaked! All the best, Rob
Bahahaha 11:30 when MiataDaddy has to correct you on how to hold a light.
My pulley did the same thing on my 93! Was so confused until I figured out the issue.
My state just got rid of emissions, this video is highly relevant...
thomas d may I ask what state?
@@cjboncosky4706 Washington
Good news everyone!
Wait...I've been driving in Washington for decades and I've never had to do anything related to emissions for cars...but still!
@@Olysk8er not all counties had emissions testing before .
thomas d More like, nobody’s ever given a shit except for King and Pierce. 😁
I’ve been waiting for someone to upload a video like this, I have a 04 msm and have been eager to install ms and will do this very very soon. Thanks for the vid
“when you think something will take an hour”. lol so true
I would say heat management is your issue. Hood vents, insulation, and maybe an oil cooler, then think about a tune
man, i can't wait to start running my MS turbo car again...a lot has changed since i put it away in my garage years ago...
I like your name. I have some dirty pantys I'd let you eat. I'm a t girl
@@geoffnelson64 t girls aren't girls, so no thanks 😝
@@PANTYEATR1 🤣😂
Yo, I just got a Mazdaspeed miata and im hoping to get fuel injectors and the ecu like you did and I was just wondering if this tutorial would still be a good tutorial to follow and that everything will work. The video is only 5 years old so id assume that it would still work just wanna be sure. Thank you!
Also, 40PSI sounds insane. I was hoping to push more boost also when I get a boost gauge kit. Its my daily driver for school and life and everything so how much PSI do you think I could push safely for a daily and safely for the stock turbo.
Miata Dad improving one Miata at a time!! ✌️
OEM does not have wideband, aftermarket is to be used.
Your content is still top notch as always can’t wait to get an mx-5 as we call it in Australia haha! Big fan of your stuff bro
2 videos within like a week WAT IS HAPPENING! so glad your back !!
So stoked you're back man
Oh yeah I forget you live in SD. I'm there in Sept from England. Hope to happen to see you driving around haha
Awesome video glad your back!!! Keep em coming!!! 😎😃
All what I need to know, great thank you Greg!!!
Finally a MSM video. Thanks greg
Great video, your a good teacher. To bad it sucks to live in California.
I would love to see a 1.8 diff swapped over to an rx7 clutch pack. There are a couple of videos about it but Greg does it better! Might fall on deaf ears. I know he has plans for a cadi rear end already and I just watched the rx7 carrier swap.
Best video for a while imformative.
Love your work. Keep up the good work. When is Mazda gonna throw you some goodies?
Love your stuff dude! Really well presented
According to what i see on alldata the mazdaspeed miata does not have a factory wideband.
5:05
Wait that's it??????
I have an SR20DET i've been trying to get started, i have a base map from the website they told me to get the base map tune and when i go and load it i got that error message and i thought i had to search for the right update.
All i had to do was accept it and it should start right up. Bruh i feel so dumb. . . . Silly me, well im going to try it out soon and see if my 240sx starts right up. . .
Awwe man... awesome video... but I'm scratching my head as to what went on with the idle tuning... ugh
I doubt your still checking this video, but did you tune off of the factory IAT sensor, or did you install a gm sensor in the IC coldside?
Keep making these tuner vidz! (Oh, does a ‘96 NA8 ODB2 have a wideband stock?)
Negative. And I found out neither does the MSM
Great content and well produced, keep it up!
You are way too underrated daddy
Lots of people have told me that it’s safe and relatively risk free to bump up the ignition timing to 14 in a NA Miata. Is this true?
@TheCarPassionChannel you said the MS was in another car. Did you use a normal NB MS and just upload the Mazdaspeed files?
It's an MSM MS, with the MSM base map loaded. Did not want to use the tune from the other car
How did you learn how to tune a car? Where can I learn it to not breake something right after ECU swap? It would be soo nice if you could do a full tutorial for dummies about street tuning someday :D
Don't forget an aftermarket intercooler for that car.
14:45 I always thought the right most dent on the pulley was indicating TDC, so THAT is the one that should align to the 10 mark?
At 10 degrees advance, the 2 marks should line up with 10 and TDC. If you lined the right most mark up with 10, your base timing would be 20 degrees.
Don't forget to buy a Serial port to USB adapter for your MS tuning cord ...
Adapter isn't needed if you buy the correct cable
Dude I have an 04 msm. Are you down to make a video on mine ? I want to do the same installs. Mine has no cat an intake and recirc valve.
Not a fan of mazda ! But I’m a fan of you...
Hey Greg, wondering what your opinion on "fast forward superchargers" is. And more specifically your opinion with superchargers on miatas in general if you have any experience with them and such. Everyone always talks about turbos so i would love to hear your opinion, maybe even a video, on the topic. ^_^
Do you recall what you wired the EBC 12V source to? I can't seem to find a good source. Thanks man, love the videos.
i have mine connected to the factory "wastegate solenoid" aka ebc solenoid.
Needs new ntercooler. ECU is a most, totally agreed.
It does have a big intercooler 🙂
Great vid man as always thank you
How about a bigger intercooler? The stock Mazdaspeed one is as tiny as the turbo itself.
I am looking to get a mk1 Austin Heatley sprite but then I am like why not a miata. I love these cars but it's so hard to find a clean one now.
Yikes the power takes a dive at 6500 rpm... really need to take care of that exhaust choking!
Very educational! Thanks MiataDad
FBM, represent!
I like this end credits scene :)
No factory wideband, tell your buddy to sell me his stock midpipe and cat please
6:44 the AEM wideband has (white)positive output and a (brown)negative output. Did you connect the brown one at all or do I just leave that alone.
Negative output needs to be grounded. Positive output to ECU
@@TheCarPassionChannel can I ground it to the sensor ground on the options port?
@@WorstPaperCut Yes
Hey Greg, I have a 07 NC. When I speak to the different Miata guys. No one ever seams to know anything about the NC. Like it’s the red headed stepchild of the Miata world. I personally think it has the best looking body when you have the hardtop. I have been trying to find a good group of Miata guys to help me get this thing back on the road. I’m in the DFW area of Texas. Do you have suggestions?
NC specific Facebook groups will probably be your best bet, to meet people online that can help out. I'm not sure of anyone in that area specifically though
Hell ya dude I just got mine for my 04 msm that i havent installed.. Would you be interested in making another video?
what hole in the fire wall cant seem to find it
how did he get the turbo flutter sound on the stock turbo??
Great video again mate.
Can you post a video on how to install manual boost controller on MSM?
when you put in the new pulley, did you have to align it somehow first to get the timing marks right? Wasn't sure because when I did my timing belt job I just put the pulley back on I didn't align it ... but yes, the timing sprocket I did align correctly and the motor is timed correctly. I don't think this step was explained in previous videos.
Thanks for sharing the knowledge to the miata community, Greg.
There is some kind of dowel that only lets the damper go on a certain way. if your timing gear was installed correctly but your timing marks are way off either your ignition timing is actually off or you may have a slipped pulley. manually crank the engine to top dead center at cylinder 1 and see if the timing marks on your crank damper line up correctly with the ones on the plastic timing cover, that's the surefire way to know.
@@TheCarPassionChannel thank you so much for the reply, Greg! AWESOME video upload.
Miata Daddy
Rad shirt. FBM FOR LIFE!
The FBM Shirt is Boss!
Can you share the link to the Bosch 440cc injectors you purchased? The only ones I'm finding are the Green Giants.
Let me like and watch this later.
Is there a chance you could link the bosch 440cc injectors? I've been trying to find them & havent had luck
Great video and information ," I think" Did not understand any of it
What kind of videos would you like to see in the future? 🙂
There's a chattering squirrel under the hood!
Hi Greg I am building a trike with a 1996 mx 5 in . on the top i have t d 04 turbo ( manifold reversed) I want to instal Mega skirt ECU it’s 1.6 engine .I would like some advice from the expert if possible !! S Devon U K
Whatever you do. DO NOT set up two step. Your rods will make a knock knock joke with the punchline being a whole in the block. Learn from my mistakes.
Or just don't always sit on the 2 step. Plenty of people have 2 step and use it with stock rods just fine. Something wasn't right. Might've been too aggressive. Might've been you sat on it too long. Etc who knows.
I’ve gone through two engines with 2 step😂 this man speaks the truth😭
Also, no way that virtual dyno was right at all. MSMs make 220whp easily all day and a few of us have made 250 on e85. We tend to make around 200whp on 10psi so that virtual dyno is way off.
Stock exhaust will choke it up bit, it won't hit 220 on it. But the VD could be off if they got the weight wrong. Especially with two of them in the car
More miata rippage b-roll outtros !
.my fuel pomp dont work with the megasqwirt a miata nb
i am looking for a used 1.9 94-97 miata engine
with low miles for a resonable price any one knows where to get one ?
jdm importers are always sold out and everyone wants over 1200 dollars please help ?
What intake is on the miata
Moral of the story is start fresh with a 01-05 vvt. Any current turbo kit on the market is better than MSM oem. All said and done you'd still be saving money and have vvt.
My bolt on MSM puts down 250 whp and 247 tq on E-85, stock motor and turbo.
Mazdaspeeds do not have widebands.